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So, since nobody mentioned them before, how do the new animal shamans from Ultimate Combat and Ultimate Magic stack up? I'm particularly keen on the Saurian Shaman for a melee build with packs of dinosaurs summoned up to help out.Thst should not be a problem. Do not forget that your totem Wild Shape will be at +2 druid level and your summons at -2 druid level. For example: if you are a 6 level shaman you can WS into your totem animal as an 8th lvl druid and your dinosaur pack will be summoned as a 4th lvl druid. AS Shaman you can summon whatever you can or allowed.Um... What?
My summons doesn't seem to be reduced, only my Wild Shape into non-dinosaur/reptile forms. In fact, the ability to summon advanced and/or giant dinosaurs/reptiles with only a standard action casting time is pure awesome. If I'm reading it right...
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So, since nobody mentioned them before, how do the new animal shamans from Ultimate Combat and Ultimate Magic stack up? I'm particularly keen on the Saurian Shaman for a melee build with packs of dinosaurs summoned up to help out.Thst should not be a problem. Do not forget that your totem Wild Shape will be at +2 druid level and your summons at -2 druid level. For example: if you are a 6 level shaman you can WS into your totem animal as an 8th lvl druid and your dinosaur pack will be summoned as a 4th lvl druid. AS Shaman you can summon whatever you can or allowed.Um... What?
My summons doesn't seem to be reduced, only my Wild Shape into non-dinosaur/reptile forms. In fact, the ability to summon advanced and/or giant dinosaurs/reptiles with only a standard action casting time is pure awesome. If I'm reading it right...
nevermind..I got confused myself!!!!!..yes..your summons are not reduced....
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At 2nd level, a saurian shaman may adopt an aspect of the saurian while retaining her normal form
If I use a Totem Transformation to give myself an extra 10' of land speed and then use my wildshape to polymorph into an animal... do I get to keep that extra 10' of movement? Or does it go away when I use Wildshape?
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Don't really want to necro this thread but I posted this thread along with a bug report to hero lab to get them to fix this discrepancy in their program. They responded that since the post (from the developer mind you), was three years old and there was no errata or FAQ for this issue, they re not changing it. Hopefully they can get an actual FAQ or errata to add "this ability replaces wildshape" or something. as it is, I see people using the wildshape at level four when it intended for level six in this archetype.
In the APG Druid Shaman entries, their wildshape is modified as follows:
Wild Shape (Su): At 6th level, a [type] shaman’s wild shape
ability functions at her druid level – 2. If she takes on the
form of a [type], she instead uses her druid level + 2.What does this +/- modify? Does it modify how long the ability lasts or the level of the ability you can use?
Thank you.
Both.
As in, levels 1-5 you get no wild shaping.
At 6th level, you can use wild shape as if you were an 8th level druid if you turn into a (bear/eagle/etc.), lasting 8 hours, Huge to Diminutive, as beast shape III, up to 3 times per day.
You can turn into any other kind of animal as a 4th level druid, lasting 4 hours, Small or Medium, as beast shape I, only 1 time per day.
The times per day overlap, so you could turn into a (totem animal) 3/day, or into some other kind of animal 1/day and a (totem animal) 2/day.
Zombie thread.. Raaawr, but I don't understand the overlapping times per day? Shouldn't it be you can turn into your totem animal 3 times a day AND a "regular" animal 1 time a day?
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Zombie thread.. Raaawr, but I don't understand the overlapping times per day? Shouldn't it be you can turn into your totem animal 3 times a day AND a "regular" animal 1 time a day?
In short, if you get additional /day from the +2 then those are locked and only available to you to use for Totem animal.
So instead of thinking of it as 3x daily (as 8th level druid) and 1x daily (as 4th level druid), think of it as 1x daily and 2 additional times a day as your totem due to the +2 effective druid level?
Or in other words, as an 8th level druid you would get 3x wild shape a day total, so if you use wild shape as a shaman at 6th level, that is your one use of regular wild shape, then as an 8th level druid you would get 3 uses, but one is already gone leaving 2.
Or, you have however many uses of wild shape as your druid level +2 but only your druid level -2 worth of them can be used for something besides your totem.
Ok I think I got it.
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Where is a Huge Lion?
The only Lion I know is Large.
You need to find a monster in a bestiary that your GM agrees is a "feline" and you can become that like a regular druid.
This includes:
Cat (Familiar)
Cat, Cheetah
Cat, Leopard
Lion
Dire Lion
Tiger
Dire Tiger
To my knowledge there are no other cats in any of the B1 to B4.
You can't deviate from printed material, so you can't be a Huge animal without permission to do so. The only time this has been done is the FAQ on Eagle shaman and that was because the listed form could never be taken. So a special exemption was created.
The shaman were written permitting templates to be applied (which deviates from core) and the templates were cut prior to printing. So that leaves some of the shaman less idea.
The dino one (Sauran sp?) is the best one, as you have forms at every level.
Where is a Huge Lion?
The only Lion I know is Large.You need to find a monster in a bestiary that your GM agrees is a "feline" and you can become that like a regular druid.
This includes:
Cat (Familiar)
Cat, Cheetah
Cat, Leopard
Lion
Dire Lion
Tiger
Dire TigerTo my knowledge there are no other cats in any of the B1 to B4.
You can't deviate from printed material, so you can't be a Huge animal without permission to do so. The only time this has been done is the FAQ on Eagle shaman and that was because the listed form could never be taken. So a special exemption was created.
The shaman were written permitting templates to be applied (which deviates from core) and the templates were cut prior to printing. So that leaves some of the shaman less idea.
The dino one (Sauran sp?) is the best one, as you have forms at every level.
Unless your GM is willing to houserule, this is correct.
You can only assume the form of an existing creature, and huge lions do not exist, nor do any huge felines for that matter.
It honestly wouldn't be that unbalancing to allow you to turn into a huge lion though. You get the same stats regardless of the animal you turn into. You don't get the creature's stats. You only get the flat bonuses from Wild Shape.
At 6th level, they finally gain the WS ability. When using it to assume the form of their totem, they are treated as if they were 8th level druids in all respects (see my above post). When using it to assume any other form, they are treated as 4th level druids in all respects (again, see above).
Sorry for cast raise thread, but I have a question and I can not seem to find an answer in any of the other "shaman" threads.
I understand, as a lion shaman when I am 6th level I get WS. If I WS into a lion I am considered a druid 8 (everything else druid 4). You mentioned in the post hours and times / day. What about BAB? Is that also calculated as Druid +/- 2? ie. 6th level druid has bab of 4, but an 8th level druid has bab of 6. Which one do I use as a 6th level lion shaman who WS into a lion, the 4 or 6?
thanks for the answer,
-- david