My cousin feels that it is safe to use anything Paizo has published, and nothing I use (3rd party stuff). There are certain feats from the d20 SRD that didn't make the cut that I'd like him to know that are safe and available for use in Pathfinder. I've also created some spells that he might find useful.
Question: To solve my problem, my stuff needs to be published by Paizo in a Pathfinder adventure or sourcebook.
Additional Problem: Chances are you just use the Open Game License and publish my work under a work for hire contract. I really don't like that. Especially as some music artists get 1 cent royalty checks (it's true! There is an artist that gets 1 cent royalty checks!).
Solution!!: publish an adventure where the fluff and spell names and all like that are under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 U.S. License and the game rules are under the Open Game License.
Paizo publishes my stuff indirectly, as long as they follow the CC license. My cousin buys your book with my work in it, and he uses it. Everyone wins!!
Background:
I made some items that I have available for him to use from Wizards of the Coast. Including feats from Complete Arcane (just the feats). I don't know what he's on, but I intend to use everything I buy in my game. Including some over the top monsters and items from all of my books. I am the GM, there's nothing to stop me from this as long as I maintain internal consistency. I offered the feats to him, but he flat out refuses, saying he can't use anything unless it's Paizo published.
He feels that 3rd party OGC is way over the top except Paizo's stuff. I don't, but I often judge judiciously on what I use. Some of the OGC I own is way over the top. Some is not. I really want to demonstrate to him that my Elementalist class and spells are really worth using, and some of the feats I include are nice to use too and won't over power a Pathfinder game.
So, aside working for hire for Paizo, does anyone have any suggestions? I won't do Work for Hire, especially since the Artist as Cobbler business model is much more up to date and benefits the Artist, Publisher, and Audience.
Um, yeah. That's an interesting problem. No good suggestions for solving it either. It seems unlikely that Paizo would publish your stuff so that your cousin will accept it. Perhaps you should try applying the corner of a book to his head...assuming you're really intent on getting your way.
I'm pretty particular myself as DM: I allow all Paizo-published material and everything else is on a case-by-case basis.
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And do I understand it correctly that you are the GM and want to have your player use the material ? Why don't you just, erm, tell him that he can use it ? It always falls on the GM to decide what is kosher and what is not in his game.
As for the "publish-on-demand" service - imagine something like that would be available, and now think of all those players who would really really really want to have their overpowered crunch published by Paizo so that they can smack their poor GMs on the head with it :)
Huh? So you want Paizo to publish your material through CC so your cousin will use your stuff? And you want to get paid for this? Is there a joke I'm missing here?
I don't think he is joking... scary.
Huh? So you want Paizo to publish your material through CC so your cousin will use your stuff? And you want to get paid for this? Is there a joke I'm missing here?I don't think he is joking... scary.
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+1Huh? So you want Paizo to publish your material through CC so your cousin will use your stuff? And you want to get paid for this? Is there a joke I'm missing here?I don't think he is joking... scary.
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also, i agree with the cousin, most 3rd party stuff is horrible. either over the top broken, and is horribly written or just doesn't make sense (new artificer class I'm looking at you)
now as for allowing 3.5 wotc material, thats a different story. most of that is alright in my opinion.
even in 3.5 i hated most 3rd party publishers. atleast Paizo's mags were official material, but even then i felt that the ball was dropped a few times.
PF is paizo's "bread and butter" so to speak, they know what they want to do and do it right so people keep getting their products, most 3rd party publishers just wanna make a quick buck and will publish anything that will line their pockets because they're lucky to get 1 big seller out of 10
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I'm pretty particular myself as DM: I allow all Paizo-published material and everything else is on a case-by-case basis.
Same. I am a minimalist though and a fan of low level campaigns.
The stuff already covered by Paizo is pretty extensive.
demonstrate to him that my Elementalist class and spells are really worth using
...maybe he doesn't want to play that class?
Honestly, if you are the GM and you think your stuff is not overpowered then what's the harm is letting him play with only Pathfinder rules, logically he shouldn't be underpowered.
If you are just trying to Min/Max him then I weep for your soul.
I honestly worry more about my players motivations and personalities rather then their classes and what abilities they took as a GM.
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Well hell, as long as we're being ridiculous...
I'd like a job at Paizo. I can travel or work from home, whichever. I'll submit my credentials after we negotiate my salary. I was thinking around 28k a year (USD), that ballpark. I'm not greedy.
i'll under cut them and work for 25k. 20k if ya roll a high enough diplomacy
Heeeeeeeeeey...
...aw come on, lay off him! :)
If you don't ask/try.....
....and he's/it's only asking, hoping that ya'll can give some advice/guidance without removing any soft tender bits! >_<
It's certainly an interesting solution to you interesting problem - you can always submit your stuff to the powers that be and see what happens.
Don't hold your breath but hey, don't not try aye? :)
Good luck!
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Barring getting published, which might take years and you might level up and lose the opportunity to take the feats and use the spells, unstitch the binding of his Advanced Player's Guide, slip in a few pages with the stuff you want added, sew it back up. Voila.
Or just use that Fred Flintstone 'sleep hypnosis' thing...
Kidding side, just run a game of your own where you allow what you want. Use it to demonstrate that you're not asking for anything unreasonable (assuming your demonstration actually does that... he might see things differently despite your intentions).
I don't see the problem.
It's between your ears! :)
I think you should win the lottery and buy Paizo, then use the leftover money to invent a 'Pocket Universitron' which you could use to capture your cousin. Then you could publish at will, and never be bothered by the pesky demands of others (namely, your cousin, who'd be drifting forever in your artificial cosmos). And build an orbital mind control laser, too, so you can compel people to buy your new products.
That should do the trick.
Elton, I don't really see the problem. You're the DM and you made the resources available to him. He has chosen, for whatever reason, to not want to use those options. You have made it clear that as DM, you are going to use the options for your NPCs. I say to let it go. It's his choice. When I was playing 3.5 I stuck to WotC material even if the other players used OGC from other companies. I had my own reasons, mostly that I didn't own the other books and some of the options really were overpowered. But I knew that when I made my choice. Your cousin knows that also. Let him build and play his character the way he wants. When you are the player, if your DM allows OGC then you can use it if you choose.
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Being completely realistic and serious, how much do you think all that's likely to cost? Do you think it could be reasonably accomplished on, say 28k a year?I think you should win the lottery and buy Paizo, then use the leftover money to invent a 'Pocket Universitron' which you could use to capture your cousin. Then you could publish at will, and never be bothered by the pesky demands of others (namely, your cousin, who'd be drifting forever in your artificial cosmos). And build an orbital mind control laser, too, so you can compel people to buy your new products.
That should do the trick.
Winning the lottery only costs a dollar. It's figuring out exactly when to spend that dollar that's the tricky bit.
Actually, Vic, it's not that much of a problem.
Send your dollar to me and I'll find the right time to spend it. Trust me.
most 3rd party publishers just wanna make a quick buck and will publish anything that will line their pockets because they're lucky to get 1 big seller out of 10
I disagree with this statement and would gladly send you product for free that shows that not all 3pp just want to make a quick buck, especially since we've had more than 1 big seller out of 10, more like 7-8 out of 10. :D
Hyrum.
Super Genius Games
"We err on the side of awesome."
But, but... that was my plan. :(
I disagree with this statement and would gladly send you product for free that shows that not all 3pp just want to make a quick buck, especially since we've had more than 1 big seller out of 10, more like 7-8 out of 10. :D
Imagine me giving this post two big thumbs up!
Mark L. Chance
Spes Magna Games
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most 3rd party publishers just wanna make a quick buck and will publish anything that will line their pockets because they're lucky to get 1 big seller out of 10I disagree with this statement and would gladly send you product for free that shows that not all 3pp just want to make a quick buck, especially since we've had more than 1 big seller out of 10, more like 7-8 out of 10. :D
Hyrum.
Super Genius Games
"We err on the side of awesome."
i would love it if i'm wrong about some publishers, my email is in my profile notadrow@gmail.com (i'm a dark elf damn it!)
the book for magnus or archon could have potential.
if you want to send me something, I'll throw up an honest (non-baised) review here on piazo.
i know white wolf and sword and sorcery just seem like they don't care what they publish most of the time. Green ronin is just as bad. Most of my experience is with 3.5 companies and I may be prematurely judging companies based on bad experiences from others.
(also glad i threw the "most" clause in my statement)
The PF compatible products coming out from 3rd party publishers are actually rather fantastic. So much so that they regularly take up half of RPG Countdown's top ten list. RPG Countdown gets its sales figs from various publishers, big online retailers (excluding Paizo.com), and brick and mortar FLGS.
i would love it if i'm wrong about some publishers, my email is in my profile notadrow@gmail.com (i'm a dark elf damn it!)
the book for magnus or archon could have potential.
if you want to send me something, I'll throw up an honest (non-baised) review here on piazo.
i know white wolf and sword and sorcery just seem like they don't care what they publish most of the time. Green ronin is just as bad. Most of my experience is with 3.5 companies and I may be prematurely judging companies based on bad experiences from others.
(also glad i threw the "most" clause in my statement)
No worries. I just sent you an email with a few of the Genius Guides for you to look over.
We understand that there was a lot of junk product produced in the past. And frankly, we don't want to break your game, it isn't in our long-term interest to do that. We just want to make it more awesome. :)
Hyrum.
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i would love it if i'm wrong about some publishers, my email is in my profile notadrow@gmail.com (i'm a dark elf damn it!)
the book for magnus or archon could have potential.
if you want to send me something, I'll throw up an honest (non-baised) review here on piazo.
i know white wolf and sword and sorcery just seem like they don't care what they publish most of the time. Green ronin is just as bad. Most of my experience is with 3.5 companies and I may be prematurely judging companies based on bad experiences from others.
(also glad i threw the "most" clause in my statement)
No worries. I just sent you an email with a few of the Genius Guides for you to look over.
We understand that there was a lot of junk product produced in the past. And frankly, we don't want to break your game, it isn't in our long-term interest to do that. We just want to make it more awesome. :)
Hyrum.
Just read Magus and Archon. actually pretty damn good. Turns out supergenius is actually putting good work and thought into their products. I only have one concern about 1 magus ability (they get some spells a level higher which raised the dc, effectively heightening them without the feat, but it is a trade off) I've never been so glad to be proven wrong. now lets hope more companies can follow your guy's example of how to do 3rd party right. I am impressed. Please keep up the good work
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Being completely realistic and serious, how much do you think all that's likely to cost? Do you think it could be reasonably accomplished on, say 28k a year?I think you should win the lottery and buy Paizo, then use the leftover money to invent a 'Pocket Universitron' which you could use to capture your cousin. Then you could publish at will, and never be bothered by the pesky demands of others (namely, your cousin, who'd be drifting forever in your artificial cosmos). And build an orbital mind control laser, too, so you can compel people to buy your new products.
That should do the trick.
Good point. Maybe the a few lotteries would be needed. And an inheritance or two. I don't think 28k would cut it -- not if you want a modern OS for the satellite. C'mon.
I will be providing Paizo with a listing of my house rules for them to publish so that other people can finally begin to play the game correctly. I expect Paizo to pay a large sum of money to me for the privilege of publishing my house rules. I expect payment in advance.
Please send me your payment information. I trust the word of all Elder Gods Whose Names Shall Not Be Mentioned.
LOL!
Piazo can I have a pretty pony? You'll pay for shipping, right?
Just read Magus and Archon. actually pretty damn good. Turns out supergenius is actually putting good work and thought into their products. I only have one concern about 1 magus ability (they get some spells a level higher which raised the dc, effectively heightening them without the feat, but it is a trade off) I've never been so glad to be proven wrong. now lets hope more companies can follow your guy's example of how to do 3rd party right. I am impressed. Please keep up the good work
So you say their stuff is crap and get free stuff?
I'm too nice for my own good.
Is some of this stuff available as a demo? Sample chapters maybe? I shied away from those books because of the name, but I'm willing to look whether you fulfill Malhavok's Rule.
Honestly, if the player doesn't want to use your stuff, don't force them. As has been mentioned above, let your own NPCs use them and then while the PCs are busy going "Dammit!" offer them again.
Slightly off topic, but who here would just explode into happiness and win if Paizo ever used one of their characters, feats or campaign blogs as one of their own campaign arcs? I, for one, would just about burst with pride. All any of us would really ask is just to be mentioned in a foot-note in the Pathfinder module, I think!
I am also leaning towards the idea that this is (the thread, that is) a Troll Baiting exercise .... *bangs on the jungle drums in the hopes of summoning Mr Fishy* Fi-Shy-Fi-Shy-Fi-Shy...
Just read Magus and Archon. actually pretty damn good. Turns out supergenius is actually putting good work and thought into their products. I only have one concern about 1 magus ability (they get some spells a level higher which raised the dc, effectively heightening them without the feat, but it is a trade off) I've never been so glad to be proven wrong. now lets hope more companies can follow your guy's example of how to do 3rd party right. I am impressed. Please keep up the good work
So you say their stuff is crap and get free stuff?
I'm too nice for my own good.
Is some of this stuff available as a demo? Sample chapters maybe? I shied away from those books because of the name, but I'm willing to look whether you fulfill Malhavok's Rule.
Hey KaeYoss, I can definitely vouch for the SGG stuff. I've both received material for free (for use in my OGC character sheet work) and have purchased their products. I've found the mechanics to be pretty solid in general, and the fluff is very nice. They also have some really interesting takes on concepts like the Shaman.
Buy their stuff. Support Third Party Publishers! Sure, there are some stinkers out there, but I've found some really good stuff (from Super Genius, as well as 4 Winds Fantasy, Alluria, Reality Deviants, Tricky Owlbear, 0one Games, Rite Publishing, SKR Games, Adamant...).
For the OP, you might remind the player that support for 3PP is one of the things that allowed Paizo to survive--they were a 3PP before Pathfinder became a reality...