Anyone else have any success in this department.
Barred heavy wartrained horses are getting one shot
Wand of mount cheaper in the long run.no food no shelter or care.
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So I was just wondering if there is any info people could give on a good advancement for mounts for medium sized characters around this level. My group’s heavy war horses just get killed in every encounter. Thanks for the info.
Just curious, how exactly are they all dying every encounter?
That's probably more important to us for making a good suggestion(s) then what level your at. :)
So I was just wondering if there is any info people could give on a good advancement for mounts for medium sized characters around this level. My group’s heavy war horses just get killed in every encounter. Thanks for the info.Just curious, how exactly are they all dying every encounter?
That's probably more important to us for making a good suggestion(s) then what level your at. :)
Apl 6
Heavy war horse with studded leather barding has 19 hp and 18 ac.
Many cr 6 - 9 creatures hit that ac without problem and easily deal 19 dmg in one round.
Wow, my post got eaten! I wasn't really sure I should believe people who said that until just now, but apparently what I posted yesterday is gone, gone, gone. Anyway . . .
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The Leadership feat is a great solution. At level 8 you can get a pegasus or giant eagle, and at level 10 you can get a unicorn or griffon. There are even more choices for small characters.
- Mounts make great cohorts because they don't speak, coordinate their combat actions with their rider's, don't need as much equipment, and generally take less time away from the PCs than more PC-like cohorts would.
- Since your cohort levels up, it should never be so weak that it's just snuffed by a single area effect spell. It won't be as powerful as a PC, but it won't be far behind either.
- When your cohort levels up, take levels of fighter (possibly barbarian or ranger) and you'll keep the mount's HP high. Don't forget that the first class level taken grants max HP.
- Most group buff spells effect 1 target/level, so an 8th level caster can boost all of the mounts along with the party.
- Since the mount is sticking around, you can boost it with magic items:
Mithral Chain Shirt Barding +1 only costs about 3000, and adds +5 AC, no movement penalty, no armor check penalty, +6 max dex bonus.
Cloak of Resistance +1/+2 only costs 1000/4000
I tried to talk my last group into everyone taking Leadership at 7th level and attracting a Pegasus at 8th, but it didn't work out with some of the character concepts people had in mind. I'd love to coordinate a group like that one day!
I'd love to coordinate a group like that one day!
...and I'd love a GM who allowed it :p
Having a cohort mount is a great idea. I remember reading the rules for that somewhere but can't find it at the moment. Do you have a link?
Rules are in the core rulebook under leadership feat and more info in beastairy.
This is from what I can tell the only viable option for a class that doesn't come with a mount. It just sucks that you need to eat up a feat, and then probably another for mounted combat.
So I was just wondering if there is any info people could give on a good advancement for mounts for medium sized characters around this level. My group’s heavy war horses just get killed in every encounter. Thanks for the info.
Leadership is good if you want a strong customizable mount, but if you just want a war horse with a longer life span then I had the idea of buying a horse and applying levels or warrior or animal, or some other no-frills NPC class, to it using rules for buying slaves. That seemed like a good way to get some levels onto a mount in such a way that you are just buying a animal more highly trained than usual. Lords of Madness charges (CR, minimum 1)squared, x 100 gp, and on page 291 of the Bestiary you can find a table for converting creature HD into CR.
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Don't level the horses :P You'll have a party with a herd of attack horses. Players... are strange like that...
Instead, suggest they dismount their horses before combat. Seriously, levels 5+, attacking a horse that's being ridden is kind of pointless for the most part. The horse dies, the pc does what he was going to do anyways, and then the party just walks to their next destination.
Or better yet, stop buying horses if your dm keeps pointlessly killing them. Like anything else, relying on the same tactic time and time again isn't interesting for anyone.
Use the money you save on horses to get better gear so your caster can survive to get teleport.
Perhaps a bit pricy for this level but possible: An Obsidian Steed (it's one of the figurines of wondrous power)
You could reduce the price by taking away it's special powers. The good thing is, when the horses are killed they turn back into statues.
Magicdealer may be right about some players trying to buy a herd of attack horses, but if they are paying [(CR-1)squared, x 100 gp + 300 gp] per horse and are dealing with CR 9 encounters then they will have to pay a ton of gold per horse. So if they do send them up into battle as an attack force, the group will probably go from losing hundreds of gold per fight in horses to thousandths, and that should teach them to protect their mounts pretty fast. Non the less, Magicdealer and Karuth both make good points that as you get higher in level, magical transportation methods becomes more affordable and practical than mounts.
