Ok, so this Inquisitor has the ability to cast "Bane" on his weapon, therefore giving him a bonus to hit a certain creature type. Is the weapon (during the duration of the spell) considered a magic weapon now for such things as striking an incoporeal undead creature?
Bane gives the weapon a +2 Enhancement bonus above whatever bonus that weapon already has.
When trying to hit incorporeal, all you need is any Enhancement bonus to be considered magical. In fact, you probably don't need any Enhancement bonus at all, just as long as you have some magic on the weapon. Normal magical weapons require at least a +1 Enhancement bonus before you can put anything else on the weapon, but if you have a class ability that can turn an ordinary weapon into, for example, a +0 Keen weapon, then that weapon is magical too - that should be enough to hit incorporeals since the "Incorporeal" special quality doesn't explicitly say that any specific type of magic is required to hit them.
(don't ask me why you would want to use a +0 Keen weapon against incorporeals).
In either case, since Bane adds to the weapon's enhancement bonus when fighting the appropriate creature, then I would think that Bane should quilify either way you look at it.
I don't think the rules are explicit on this point; I'm inclined to rule no.
DR/magic specifies that you need a +1 enhancement bonus. I'd generalize this and rule that, no, a weapon doesn't get to damage incorporeal creatures, or other benefits of being a "magic weapon", unless it has a +1 bonus on it.
I don't think the rules are explicit on this point; I'm inclined to rule no.
DR/magic specifies that you need a +1 enhancement bonus. I'd generalize this and rule that, no, a weapon doesn't get to damage incorporeal creatures, or other benefits of being a "magic weapon", unless it has a +1 bonus on it.
But Bane specifically gives a +2 enhancement bonus against the specific creature type. I don't think it would make sense for that enhancement bonus to "not count" as an enhancement bonus, so the weapon should be able to damage incorporeals. Especially since James said in another thread that the added enhancement bonus from Bane DOES allow the weapon to defeat DR according to the "DR defeated by enhancement bonus" table (i.e. a +3 Bane weapon - effectively +5 against it's Bane target - would overcome alignment based DR against it's Bane target).
I agree with Avalon - unless the incorporeal creature is of the type the weapon is bane against, no luck. If it *is* the type of the Bane, it would definitely work.
I agree with Avalon - unless the incorporeal creature is of the type the weapon is bane against, no luck. If it *is* the type of the Bane, it would definitely work.
This is my take as well; if I make my (non-magical) bow Bane vs Orcs, then it won't hit the incorporeal wraith because the enhancement bonus is vs. Orcs, and only Orcs.
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I agree with Avalon - unless the incorporeal creature is of the type the weapon is bane against, no luck. If it *is* the type of the Bane, it would definitely work.This is my take as well; if I make my (non-magical) bow Bane vs Orcs, then it won't hit the incorporeal wraith because the enhancement bonus is vs. Orcs, and only Orcs.
thats how i see it too
Agreed, that was my interpretation. I just had to get a second, and third, and forth set of opinions....