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Good morning All:

Just wondering about the consequences of failing an acrobatics check when attemting to tumble through a threatened or occupied square.

If one fails the acrobatics check they take an attack of opportunity, but do they still get to make thier move?

wc


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Wild Card wrote:

Good morning All:

Just wondering about the consequences of failing an acrobatics check when attemting to tumble through a threatened or occupied square.

If one fails the acrobatics check they take an attack of opportunity, but do they still get to make thier move?

wc

Yes the character would get to continue the move. You are trying to use a Acrobatic Tumble to avoid the AoOs provoked. If you fail your check you simply fail to avoid them as you continue your move. Only if the AoO knocks the character to negative HP would the movement be stopped.


From the FAQ Here...

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/pathfinder-faq#TOC-Acrobatics-3-26-10-

Acrobatics(3/26/10)
Q: If a character fails an Acrobatics (tumble) check when attempting to move through an opponents square, are they stopped, or do they get through and suffer an AoO?
A: (James Jacobs 3/26/10) If you fail an Acrobatics check to move through an opponent's square, you stop in the square you were left to make the attempt to go through that creature's square and your movement for that turn ends. If that square is occupied (say, you ran through three wererats in a narrow tunnel only to fail on the fourth), you fall prone in that square. If you have any more move actions left in a turn, you could try again, of course.

Original Source Here

http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderR PG/rules/acrobaticsTumbleQuestion&page=1#39


Abciximab wrote:

From the FAQ Here...

Acrobatics

Acrobatics(3/26/10)
Q: If a character fails an Acrobatics (tumble) check when attempting to move through an opponents square, are they stopped, or do they get through and suffer an AoO?
A: (James Jacobs 3/26/10) If you fail an Acrobatics check to move through an opponent's square, you stop in the square you were left to make the attempt to go through that creature's square and your movement for that turn ends. If that square is occupied (say, you ran through three wererats in a narrow tunnel only to fail on the fourth), you fall prone in that square. If you have any more move actions left in a turn, you could try again, of course.

Original Source Here

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Linked for you.

This is true if you fail to tumble through an occupied square (for example, trying to move under the legs of an Ogre which occupies a 10 ft. wide corridor). If you merely are trying to move through a threatened area and fail your Tumble check (for example, trying to move past the same Ogre in a 15 ft. wide corridor), you continue your move but trigger the enemy's Attack of Opportunity (as Lokie said above).


Cool, now I just have to get my GM to apprieciate the difference :)

Thanx

WC


I have another question if you guys don't mind answering.

Use the same scenario, but what if the AoO is a Trip attempt and you are tripped. Would you be prone in the square that you left and provoked, or in the next one along your path?

For example if you are adjacent to a medium guy, you take more than a 5' step and provoke trying to leave his threatened squares, he trips you. Would you be prone adjacent to him, or in the square just out of his 5' reach.


Torinath wrote:

I have another question if you guys don't mind answering.

Use the same scenario, but what if the AoO is a Trip attempt and you are tripped. Would you be prone in the square that you left and provoked, or in the next one along your path?

For example if you are adjacent to a medium guy, you take more than a 5' step and provoke trying to leave his threatened squares, he trips you. Would you be prone adjacent to him, or in the square just out of his 5' reach.

Exiting the square provokes and the attack takes place before the action, so you drop in the square you were leaving.


another question just occured to me.

lets say the party meets 2 goblins in a 5' wide corrider and the tumbler wants go through both of thier squares to get behind them. Does he have to roll tumble checks to avoid and AoO from the second goblin while tumbling throgh the first goblins square and vice versa?

or are those included in the dc for the "tumbling through an occupied square check" ?

wc

Scarab Sages

This is a matter of some debate, whether it would require 1 check or 2 at differing DCs. My personal opinion is that you make one check and compare it against all the opponents who threaten you along the whole path of your movement - for the sake of simplicity - but I've seen where you roll for each opponent AND I've seen where you roll for each square. (I haven't seen where you roll for each opponent AND each square though!)


Wild Card wrote:
lets say the party meets 2 goblins in a 5' wide corrider and the tumbler wants go through both of thier squares to get behind them. Does he have to roll tumble checks to avoid and AoO from the second goblin while tumbling throgh the first goblins square and vice versa?

The first time each of the goblins would have a chance to make an AoO is when you tumble into that goblin's square.

As you're about to enter Goblin 1's square, make an Acrobatics check against his CMD+5. If you succeed, move into his square. If you fail, your movement ends right in front of him.
Assuming you succeeded, as you're about to enter Goblin 2's square, make an Acrobatics check against his CMD+7. If you succeed, move into his square; if you fail, your movement ends prone in the first goblin's square (which contradictions the Combat rule that says you should be back in front of the first goblin, but that's what James says happens).
Assuming you succeeded, you're now about to enter the square behind Goblin 2. This is also leaving a square threatened by Goblin 1. RAW, it seems you'd have to make an Acrobatics check against Goblin 1's CMD+4, but I'd say you've already avoided movement AoO's from both goblins and that's it.


Wild Card wrote:


lets say the party meets 2 goblins in a 5' wide corrider and the tumbler wants go through both of thier squares to get behind them. Does he have to roll tumble checks to avoid and AoO from the second goblin while tumbling throgh the first goblins square and vice versa?

See Pathfinder SRD on Acrobatics. It says threatened square (emphasis mine). Just take the toughest DC, and then apply the "+2" penalty to the DC for each additional foe that threatens the square. That makes it 1 dice roll, instead of 2 (or 3, or 4, or whatever) for each threatening opponent.

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