Recovery from Mutagen stat loss?


Round 3: Alchemist and Inquisitor


How long is the effect of the stat loss from the mutagens? Does it return at the expiration of the mutagen effect, is it "healed" like usual or is it permanent?


It's healed at normal rate (with rest, or Restoration-series spells), since it's ability damage.

What bothers me is that it does 1d4 damage per use; it means that for just a little bonus (until you apply Discoveries to it) you won't be able to use it every day. If you do, your Cha may go down faster than it recovers, unless someone in the party always save a Restoration-series spell just for you, which is quite bothering.

Dark Archive

Or you could just make Restoration extracts

Lesser is 2nd level, Restoration is 4th

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caal_boran wrote:
How long is the effect of the stat loss from the mutagens? Does it return at the expiration of the mutagen effect, is it "healed" like usual or is it permanent?

Looking at the heal skill you could make a heal check to try and recover ability points. It's under long term care.


Aestolia wrote:

Or you could just make Restoration extracts

Lesser is 2nd level, Restoration is 4th

That would count anyway as someone in the party who always needs to save a Restoration for the sake of granting the use of a class ability.

But the biggest problem is that no Restoration is in the extract list.
Only Heal, but an Alchemist gets it no sooner than 16th level.


Irrlicht wrote:

But the biggest problem is that no Restoration is in the extract list.

Only Heal, but an Alchemist gets it no sooner than 16th level.

Both Lesser Restoration (2nd) and Restoration (4th) are on the list in my copy.


Ah, right, I skipped exactly the ones i was looking for. :D

However, the fact remains that he must spend uses of a class ability to compensate the big drawbacks of another. Like saying that a Wizard who casts an Invocation spell takes XdY damage and thus must always keep ready some healing.


the main problem i have is that the CHA damage just seems kind of pointless. I mean unless i skipped something while i was reading CHA isn't a stat the character needs, so to me it just seems like it's a penalty for the sake of being a penalty. i get the concept and what it's supposed to represent, but it just doesn't seem to make much sense. other than to keep a player from over doing it and risk turning to stone...

...i think that still a rule in Pathfinder, it's early.

just my two cents.

Dark Archive

From a mechanics point of view, no it's not a huge draw back unless your chuging back your Mr. hyde muts all day.

But that's just it; Jekyll wasn't, shall we say, a 'people person' when Mr. Hyde was about. Leave the talking to the dashing party members and keep your think knoby skined ass outta it ;p

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