The next AP?


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Silver Crusade

If I do I risk having to GM a party of Tony Jaa clones.

...sounds like a good idea!


Quandary wrote:


Hmmm... let's see: Sorceror-like casting... but with Specialist Wizard like slot-costs? Hybrid Spell List w/ Healing type Spells? "Reserve Feat"-like abilities? Free Metamagic Feats as you qualify for them, level-wise? Automatic 0-spell level adjustment Silent Spell? Psion-Monk PrC? Crystal "Psionic Scrolls/ Spellbooks"? I could see bringing back a 2nd-Edition like multi-"Casting Stat" approach, with different Schools of...

check out wayfinder 2 page 63. a stab has been taken at a psionic bloodline. Not to bad

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yoda8myhead wrote:


Therefore, the 8th adventure path will be set in Ustalav.

That, good Yoda, would fill me with much joy. I love Ustalav, and am dying to see the region fleshed out. Here's to hoping your prognostication comes true. <<dramatically lifts coffee mug>>

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seekerofshadowlight wrote:
check out wayfinder 2 page 63. a stab has been taken at a psionic bloodline. Not to bad

Ahh...that bloodline sucks! It was written by a complete hack! ;-)

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yoda8myhead wrote:

This is a test of the speculative pathfinder prediction system. This is only a test. Were I really informed on what was coming in the months and years to come, this message would be followed with lawsuits for violating Paizo's NDAs. This is only a test.

Wes ran a Ustalav playtest at PaizoCon and mentioned in a blog post that since then he has begun outlining the region in much more detail.

I played in Wes' game at PaizoCon actually. It was really damn fun. While I could possibly see this being expanded to a full AP, I'm not quite sure that was the original intent to the module. Now, I could be fully wrong, because we did end up giving some good (at least I hope we gave good ideas?) points about the module, which could very well expand it into a full AP....

Actually now that I think about it more, I think it'd be absolutely awesome to have a full 6 AP module set in a horror theme. I don't know how willing Paizo would be to do that, but hey I think it'd be awesome.

Wes?!?! You hear this. We're talking to you!


Nooooooooo!

Don't throw the Paizo team into the briar patch!!!

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Alizor wrote:
Actually now that I think about it more, I think it'd be absolutely awesome to have a full 6 AP module set in a horror theme. I don't know how willing Paizo would be to do that, but hey I think it'd be awesome.

Paizo would be VERY VERY VERY VERY willing to do a horror-themed Adventure Path.

Paizo Employee Director of Brand Strategy

James Jacobs wrote:
Paizo would be VERY VERY VERY VERY willing to do a horror-themed Adventure Path.

How willing?


I'd actually like to see Vhudra get it's own AP, to tie in with a psionics rules release. The geographic element of Golarion psionics has charmed me into liking that genre, which I have previously disliked.


yoda8myhead wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Paizo would be VERY VERY VERY VERY willing to do a horror-themed Adventure Path.
How willing?

yeah, he seems a little on the fence with that

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James Jacobs wrote:


Paizo would be VERY VERY VERY VERY willing to do a horror-themed Adventure Path.

Darn your taunting, passive-voiced response! :-)

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Evil Lincoln wrote:
I'd actually like to see Vhudra get it's own AP, to tie in with a psionics rules release. The geographic element of Golarion psionics has charmed me into liking that genre, which I have previously disliked.

I'd second this, especially if the AP started in Vudra and ended up on Castrovel.


Thotkhirithon wrote:
Just put Angkor Wat in the Thai analogue! ;)

Ooh, controversial! You might get all the Cambodian Pathfinder fans upset, given that Thailand and Cambodia can't even agree on Preah Vihear (which is on the border, not squarely in Cambodia as Angkor is).

:)

Zo


Evil Lincoln wrote:
I'd actually like to see Vhudra get it's own AP, to tie in with a psionics rules release. The geographic element of Golarion psionics has charmed me into liking that genre, which I have previously disliked.

+1

But I have somewhat come to peace with psionics. It'll come when it does.


James Jacobs wrote:


Paizo would be VERY VERY VERY VERY willing to do a horror-themed Adventure Path.

Frausty would be very Very VERY willing to buy a horror-themed Adventure Path...companion volumes...harrow deck (if apalicable)...any BBEG plushies that might be available...ect...ect...

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James Jacobs wrote:
Paizo would be VERY VERY VERY VERY willing to do a horror-themed Adventure Path.

Considering how (IMHO) strongly horror-themed all five APs have been so far, I'm...disturbed...by this.


delabarre wrote:
Considering how (IMHO) strongly horror-themed all five APs have been so far, I'm...disturbed...by this.

I'm not sure I would agree with your assessment of the previous APs (and that is no knock against you whatsoever, we're all individuals with unique tastes and perspectives). Rather, I think they've been all grittier than what we've seen in comparative products from other companies.

Golarion is kinda gritty and edgy while still being diverse in its range of themes reflected in its various locations and countries.

A Ustalav AP would be pretty cool..

So would a Geb AP for that matter...

Grand Lodge

James Jacobs wrote:
Paizo would be VERY VERY VERY VERY willing to do a horror-themed Adventure Path.

Would you include the rules for Sanity loss and physical corruption a la Taint when you do this?

SM

Paizo Employee Director of Brand Strategy

:giggle: you said "taint" :giggle:


DigMarx wrote:
Thotkhirithon wrote:
Just put Angkor Wat in the Thai analogue! ;)

Ooh, controversial! You might get all the Cambodian Pathfinder fans upset, given that Thailand and Cambodia can't even agree on Preah Vihear (which is on the border, not squarely in Cambodia as Angkor is).

:)

Zo

I knew somebody would enjoy that. Siem Reap, my Mother-in-law's cooking!

Paizo Employee Creative Director

StarMartyr365 wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Paizo would be VERY VERY VERY VERY willing to do a horror-themed Adventure Path.

Would you include the rules for Sanity loss and physical corruption a la Taint when you do this?

SM

Probably not.

There are rules for madness and insanity in the upcoming Gamemaster's Guide (STEALTH PREVIEW: insanity is treated as an affliction, like a curse or disease), and if we do a horror AP we'll absolutely be using those rules.

I've never really been a fan of things like "taint" or "corruption" or stuff like that as a way to FORCE a PC to be "scared." Such game elements absolutely have their place, but they work best in moderation... not as a blanket rules system that suddenly comes up into play whenever you play a "horror adventure."


Great preview, thanks!

Liberty's Edge

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James Jacobs wrote:
Alizor wrote:
Actually now that I think about it more, I think it'd be absolutely awesome to have a full 6 AP module set in a horror theme. I don't know how willing Paizo would be to do that, but hey I think it'd be awesome.
Paizo would be VERY VERY VERY VERY willing to do a horror-themed Adventure Path.

I think a zombie outbreak prevent/stop an apocalypse AP would be awesome. But that's just the zombie fan in me wanting to see Paizo treatment of the genre. :)

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James Jacobs wrote:

There are rules for madness and insanity in the upcoming Gamemaster's Guide (STEALTH PREVIEW: insanity is treated as an affliction, like a curse or disease), and if we do a horror AP we'll absolutely be using those rules.

This is excellent to hear.


Fraust wrote:
Frausty would be very Very VERY willing to buy a horror-themed Adventure Path...companion volumes...harrow deck (if apalicable)...any BBEG plushies that might be available...ect...ect...

I still want a plushy Zonzon, dammit! :D

Grand Lodge

James Jacobs wrote:
StarMartyr365 wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Paizo would be VERY VERY VERY VERY willing to do a horror-themed Adventure Path.

Would you include the rules for Sanity loss and physical corruption a la Taint when you do this?

SM

Probably not.

There are rules for madness and insanity in the upcoming Gamemaster's Guide (STEALTH PREVIEW: insanity is treated as an affliction, like a curse or disease), and if we do a horror AP we'll absolutely be using those rules.

I've never really been a fan of things like "taint" or "corruption" or stuff like that as a way to FORCE a PC to be "scared." Such game elements absolutely have their place, but they work best in moderation... not as a blanket rules system that suddenly comes up into play whenever you play a "horror adventure."

Swwet! Looks like I'll be buying this and the APG.

SM

Scarab Sages

I'd love to see a gothic horror AP. I'd been prepping my group for run through some Ravenloft stuff, but that fell through; I'd love to see Paizo's take on something in the same vein.

off topic:

James Jacobs wrote:
I've never really been a fan of things like "taint" or "corruption" or stuff like that as a way to FORCE a PC to be "scared." Such game elements absolutely have their place, but they work best in moderation... not as a blanket rules system that suddenly comes up into play whenever you play a "horror adventure."

I'd love to see some rules using Taint as the effect of a Bestow Curse spell. Rather than the few options listed in the spell descriptions, you could role-play a variety of hideous physical deformities (and terrifying mental abnormalities) that result. Of course, you'd also have to modify other stuff like Remove Curse, but I like the idea so it's always hanging around in the back of my mind somewhere as something to tinker with. You know, someday.


DigMarx wrote:
Thotkhirithon wrote:
Just put Angkor Wat in the Thai analogue! ;)

Ooh, controversial! You might get all the Cambodian Pathfinder fans upset, given that Thailand and Cambodia can't even agree on Preah Vihear (which is on the border, not squarely in Cambodia as Angkor is).

:)

Zo

The town nearest Angkor Wat in Cambodia is called Siem Reap. My understanding is that Siem Reap translates to 'Place where we killed the Thai'.

So yeah, it might be a controversial move ;-)

Ken


gothic horror AP Oh my Gods yes please!


Since I completely missed out on Rise of the Runelords, I´d really like to see a more classical AP sometime. Orcs, dragons, dungeons, you name it.

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He Who Walks in Blood wrote:
Since I completely missed out on Rise of the Runelords, I´d really like to see a more classical AP sometime. Orcs, dragons, dungeons, you name it.

Kingmaker is actually pretty close to this. No orcs, though... but lots of trolls, bandits, and even some kobolds early on.

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James Jacobs wrote:
He Who Walks in Blood wrote:
Since I completely missed out on Rise of the Runelords, I´d really like to see a more classical AP sometime. Orcs, dragons, dungeons, you name it.
Kingmaker is actually pretty close to this. No orcs, though... but lots of trolls, bandits, and even some kobolds early on.

Yet another reason to do a Lastwall/Belkzen AP:

Send. MORE. ORCS!!!


Jason Nelson wrote:

Yet another reason to do a Lastwall/Belkzen AP:

Send. MORE. ORCS!!!

+1

Verdant Wheel

Urizen wrote:
Jason Nelson wrote:

Yet another reason to do a Lastwall/Belkzen AP:

Send. MORE. ORCS!!!

+1

+2


+n.

There was a time when orcs felt overplayed. That time has passed.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Evil Lincoln wrote:

+n.

There was a time when orcs felt overplayed. That time has passed.

More time shall pass.

Verdant Wheel

James Jacobs wrote:
Evil Lincoln wrote:

+n.

There was a time when orcs felt overplayed. That time has passed.

More time shall pass.

What i am really curious is when we will see the big hobgoblin warmachine again. I know they got the spotlight recently (but i missed The Red hand of Doom) but i hope for a Roman Empire with Legions and Centurion Hobgoblin nation appearing in Golarion.


Ooh- one request for a heavily planar AP!

Todd Stewart, I summon thee!

And being the RPG mavens and mensches that you Paizo folks are, I know I don't need to tell ya that planar-themed adventures *are* completely doable even at the lowest levels...

(And yes, I do miss Planescape dearly...)


Btw- I *really* like the sound of all the upcoming APs- Jade Regent, Kingmaker, the hints of a possible Gothic-themed one, etc. -
(Okay, I'm not wild about the Mwangi-themed one- but I'm sure it'll be good, regardless.)

Oh yeah- and I like the idea of an AP set in Vudra quite a lot. I like the suggested tie-in to psionics, though I get that it's hard to introduce all-new ga,e mechanics for something that's not covered in the Core books...

Dark Archive

I shall say this only once. Okay, I'll probably sound like a broken record until it happens. Me wants a Mendevian Crusade/demonic horde adventure path! Please?

A horror-themed adventure path doesn't sound bad either. This one approves.

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Ravenmantle wrote:
I shall say this only once. Okay, I'll probably sound like a broken record until it happens. Me wants a Mendevian Crusade/demonic horde adventure path! Please?

Ooooh! I'd be down for that! Such an AP could easily build on the popularity of Dragon Age, too...though obviously, more Golarion-themed, of course.


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Evil Lincoln wrote:

+n.

There was a time when orcs felt overplayed. That time has passed.

Have there ever been any orcs in any of the Pathfinder APs? I can't think of any...

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Skeletons of Scarwall had a small bit of mano-a-orco at the beginning.

Other than that, not much really.

Silver Crusade

NSpicer wrote:
Ravenmantle wrote:
I shall say this only once. Okay, I'll probably sound like a broken record until it happens. Me wants a Mendevian Crusade/demonic horde adventure path! Please?
Ooooh! I'd be down for that! Such an AP could easily build on the popularity of Dragon Age, too...though obviously, more Golarion-themed, of course.

SECONDED

Dark Archive

NSpicer wrote:
Ooooh! I'd be down for that! Such an AP could easily build on the popularity of Dragon Age, too...though obviously, more Golarion-themed, of course.

Plus, there'll be plenty of demons in such an adventure path. And we all know how Mr Jacobs feels about demons. ;-)

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Ravenmantle wrote:
NSpicer wrote:
Ooooh! I'd be down for that! Such an AP could easily build on the popularity of Dragon Age, too...though obviously, more Golarion-themed, of course.
Plus, there'll be plenty of demons in such an adventure path. And we all know how Mr Jacobs feels about demons. ;-)

Indeed. That might actually be why it's been back-burnered - cuz folks were burned out on the heavy demon/demon-ish themes from the Dungeon APs - all of which went to that well in one form or another (Savage Tide most deeply, of course).

That's been a while in the past, tho; I think that, like orcs, demons have been sidelined long enough that they might start to feel fresh again, especially if we took the tack some have discussed of having the humans be the aggressors, crusading AGAINST the demons and their minions, rather than uncovering a Sinister Plot to Destroy the World hatched BY the demons.

Come on, the inquisition, the purging the demon seed, rooting out the wicked, factions within the crusaders... this thing could be capital G capital R number 8! :)

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Jason Nelson wrote:
Come on, the inquisition, the purging the demon seed, rooting out the wicked, factions within the crusaders... this thing could be capital G capital R number 8! :)

Agreed. Heroes heading off to rid the world of demons, taking a proactive role rather than having adventure thrust upon them, might make for a cool change of pace. And there's enough distance between the demon-themed APs of the Dungeon days that it could make for a good series to explore in another area of the campaign setting...but one which draws crusading "heroes" from all across the Inner Sea, so PCs could literally come from almost any walk of life.


Sounds great to me!


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Count me in!


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Gorbacz wrote:

Skeletons of Scarwall had a small bit of mano-a-orco at the beginning.

Other than that, not much really.

D'oh! I start Skeletons of Scarwall on Thursday as a player! I guess I should pose my questions a little more carefully. :-)

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