Can you post the subject line of the email if possible? Nothing showing so in GMail so far, but I've had things disappear into the Spam from GMS before.
Mine was titled "WARPATH preorder"
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Can you post the subject line of the email if possible? Nothing showing so in GMail so far, but I've had things disappear into the Spam from GMS before.Well, it was today, I just got my PDF.So...was it all you ever dreamed of? ;)
The email subject line was "WARPATH Preorder" and it was timestamped approximately 8:30 p.m. It was not addressed to me personally, so I assume it was a mass email and they all went out at the same time.
I only got to skim through it and won't be able to give it a solid look until tomorrow or monday. Besides which, I don't graps PDFs in the same way I do print for some reason. But the book was to be mailed on monday the email said.
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Can you post the subject line of the email if possible? Nothing showing so in GMail so far, but I've had things disappear into the Spam from GMS before.The email subject line was "WARPATH Preorder" and it was timestamped approximately 8:30 p.m. It was not addressed to me personally, so I assume it was a mass email and they all went out at the same time.
Many thanks Wicht - yep it was (A) in the spam folder and (B) in my other GMail account - I'd forgotten which one I'd ordered from.
Woot! Got my hard copy in the mail today and it looks awesome at first glance. Will have to take some time and look it over tonight at work. Glad this is finally out.
Would definitely appreciate a review of it. :)
Just a quick note to say that it's now been three weeks since WARPATH was sent out to pre-order customers, and it's now been uploaded to Paizo.com, RPGNow.com and DriveThruRPG.com and is available in PDF.
The print version of WARPATH will be in local game stores in another two weeks!
Can´t seem to find the Paizo one, Linky?
Entirely possible they haven't activated it yet. Other sites allow for publisher activation of our own products.
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Can´t seem to find the Paizo one, Linky?Entirely possible they haven't activated it yet. Other sites allow for publisher activation of our own products.
It went up about an hour ago... here it is!
How good is this? Thinking about buying it, anything aboot it?
How good is this? Thinking about buying it, anything aboot it?
I gave it a test run last Friday with fairly good results using the PDF. The only thing that I noticed which I felt was wrong was their formula they use to convert damage done to a "unit" into an accurate Unit count of soldiers/monsters left in that unit.
No matter what I did, the count did not come out accurate so I ended up just waiting until the end of the battle to determine how many soldiers were left in each unit.
Will definitely keep testing it out but beyond that small issue it seems pretty cool.
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How good is this? Thinking about buying it, anything aboot it?
I think that it is very good. What I really like and what stands apart from most other D20 mass combat systems is that you do not have to eliminate a unit. In Fact it is pretty hard to kill them to the last man. But it is comapartively easy to rout them and make them flee the battlefield. Having read a few books about warfare this is how battles were won.
I prefer this to both Cry Havoc and Fields of Blood as it is much faster to set up and play.
I'm glad you both are enjoying it so far.
To address this point:
No matter what I did, the count did not come out accurate so I ended up just waiting until the end of the battle to determine how many soldiers were left in each unit.
To determine the unit count, divide the Unit Strength by their HD.
For example, if you have 100 2HD creatures making up a unit, then their starting Unit Strength is 200.
If this unit suffers 32 damage, their Unit Strength drops to 168.
Divide 168 by 2, which shows you have 84 troops left fighting in that unit.
Of course, as you found out, it's not important to know this unless you have a unit casting spells or spell-like effects.
And if you guys have never seen this show, I recommend it for inspiration: Time Commanders.
Also, I would like to point out a small error I noticed under Close Formation:
NOTE: Units equipped with double-handed weapons cannot attack while in closed formation.
That should read "...cannot attack (with the exception of spears, tridents, pikes, and other such weapons) while in..."
For example, barbarians wielding greatswords=no, but soldiers wielding pikes=yes.
Quick question, does this contain rules for units with inspirational commanders which give bonuses to followers? For example a unit with a Bard in front of it giving everyone inspire courage and such (also thinking of cavaliers and their tactics ability).
I designed the rules to be intuitive so as to be flexible.
For example, there are rules for morale bonuses due to commanders on the field, so if that commander were a bard, I would allow the Inspire Courage bonus to add to that roll (in addition to any regular bonuses) for any units under his command.
I'm glad you both are enjoying it so far.
To address this point:
No matter what I did, the count did not come out accurate so I ended up just waiting until the end of the battle to determine how many soldiers were left in each unit.To determine the unit count, divide the Unit Strength by their HD.
For example, if you have 100 2HD creatures making up a unit, then their starting Unit Strength is 200.
If this unit suffers 32 damage, their Unit Strength drops to 168.
Divide 168 by 2, which shows you have 84 troops left fighting in that unit.
Of course, as you found out, it's not important to know this unless you have a unit casting spells or spell-like effects.
And if you guys have never seen this show, I recommend it for inspiration: Time Commanders.
Cool, thanks Hank. In my pdf it says Unit Strength / Unit Power which didn't make much sense. :) That's a lot better.
Cool, thanks Hank. In my pdf it says Unit Strength / Unit Power which didn't make much sense. :) That's a lot better.
I told Gareth about that (I have no idea why it's so fubared!)and Frerezar's question (and a couple other things, like the 2-handed, closed-formation rule), so he'll be updating the PDF with the errata. Thanks for pointing that out!
I told Gareth about that (I have no idea why it's so fubared!)and Frerezar's question (and a couple other things, like the 2-handed, closed-formation rule), so he'll be updating the PDF with the errata. Thanks for pointing that out!
Oh Hank, if you have time for a less important question - with the unit using cards as space, does it matter if they change the direction of their cards as part of their facing movement?
Oh Hank, if you have time for a less important question - with the unit using cards as space, does it matter if they change the direction of their cards as part of their facing movement?
With About Face and Change Facing, essentially the cards remain in the same position, and only the individuals within change. However, you should note the new facing somehow (a small arrow written on the card, maybe a d4 showing its facing, or some other way you prefer), not only for your sake, but also for your opponents, since it is tactically relevant.
Does this supplement support the use of counters or minis to model the opposing armies...like Battlesystem used to do?
I used to play Battlesystem when I was a kid, using poker chips as the units. The problem we always had with that was remembering which one was damaged, which one had 8 points and which had 3, etc. Over time, I developed a system using index cards as your unit, which allowed you to write notes onto the face of the card. This is what eventually was used for Warpath. So yes and no (counters yes, minis no).
However, it would be a good idea to put a mini on top of the card as a handy visual reference for its troop type.
Yes, distances need to be measured (much like regular combat, though the scale of course is different). To be honest, Battlesystem was a big influence on my wargaming, so go figure it has many similarities. Other influences include PC games like the Total War series as well as historical battles of the ancient and Medieval worlds (which was a large focus of my degree).
I played AD&D, so you had to keep track of points. This is more in line with that, though with the unit card, it makes it much easier, as you have all of the details scratched out in front of you. As I said, though, it would be a good idea to toss a mini on the card, but it's not needed for play.
I should note that this is ideal for large battle mats. That way you can draw the terrain (perhaps several laid down side by side to represent the battlefield).
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The formula for determining unit count after the unit has been damaged on page 15 makes no sense: unit count = unit strength/unit power.
The formulas are self referential, which leads to logic problems. The main formulas are:
Unit power = unit strength/mass rating
Unit count= number of creatures in the unit
Unit strength = HD x unit count
Mass rating = HD x 10
HD = HD of creature
So, the formula used on page 15, unit count = unit strength/unit power, can be rewritten as unit count = (HD x unit count)(HDx10)/(HD x unit count) = HD x10. That does not make any sense.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding what is presented in the book. There are no concrete examples to illustrate the core mechanics. I'm very disappointed.
I am also raising questions in this thead
The formula for determining unit count after the unit has been damaged on page 15 makes no sense: unit count = unit strength/unit power.
So, the formula used on page 15, unit count = unit strength/unit power, can be rewritten as unit count = (HD x unit count)(HDx10)/(HD x unit count) = HD x10. That does not make any sense.
This was addressed further upthread; the correct forumla is the one listed under Designing a Unit, starting on page 11. I informed Gareth, and he said he would be incorporating it into errata.
This is the correct one that should be listed on p.15:
Unit Power = Unit Strength/Mass Rating
The one there now is FUBAR.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding what is presented in the book. There are no concrete examples to illustrate the core mechanics. I'm very disappointed.
Well shoot me your questions! I'm happy to answer.
I'm must say, this seems to be quite an exceptional product, but I do have a few questions.
First, there is no cost for CR 1/3 creatures in the Point Buy Battles rules. So how much would it cost to field a unit of 1st level warriors? Second how should I calculate the cost of a unit that has a mount as a class feature, such as a Paladin or Cavalier? Normally you'd use the CR of the mount, but a creature from a class feature has no CR.
I'm must say, this seems to be quite an exceptional product, but I do have a few questions.
First, there is no cost for CR 1/3 creatures in the Point Buy Battles rules. So how much would it cost to field a unit of 1st level warriors? Second how should I calculate the cost of a unit that has a mount as a class feature, such as a Paladin or Cavalier? Normally you'd use the CR of the mount, but a creature from a class feature has no CR.
I'm glad you like it!
For below 1/2 CR, use the following:
1/8: .25
1/6: .5
1/4: 1
1/3: 2
Whenever in doubt of a CR, just use its statistical equivalent. For example, a human paladin could summon a medium warhorse with the celestial template, so figure CR 1 at its base. As they grow, I would use my best judgment using the chart on page 291 of the Bestiary, using its hps (but remember, that since the paladin's mount has the celestial template, once it hits 5 HD it gets a +1 to its CR).
Ping me at necromancergames@yahoo.com?I would like to discuss using your rules (if they work for me) in a product.
And let me know if you'd like any help with said product! ;)