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We have the half-elf and half-orc, so where's the half-dwarf?

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My Half-Orc w/his Great Axe can get you a Half-Dwarf!

More Seriously Didn't the Dark Sun setting have a Half-Dwarf? The "Mul."

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Half-dwarf Racial Traits
+2 to One Abilty Score: Half-dwarf characters get a +2 bonus to one ability score of their choice at creation to represent their varied nature.

Half-gnome Racial Traits
+2 to One Abilty Score: Half-gnome characters get a +2 bonus to one ability score of their choice at creation to represent their varied nature.

Half-goblin Racial Traits
+2 to One Abilty Score: Half-goblin characters get a +2 bonus to one ability score of their choice at creation to represent their varied nature.

Half-minotaur Racial Traits
+2 to One Abilty Score: Half-minotaur characters get a +2 bonus to one ability score of their choice at creation to represent their varied nature.

Gee, this is easy!


well probably what's going on here, is either dwarves are either very picky about who they date...

... or what I think is MORE likely, whatever a dwarf pairs with, the resulting offspring is a dwarf :D

probably just a minor oversight that it was not included in the racial abilities section. Betcha it will be in the errata ;)


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He is in line behind the three-quarterling.

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Shadow13.com wrote:
We have the half-elf and half-orc, so where's the half-dwarf?

Ugh. Right where he's always been.


Anburaid wrote:


... or what I think is MORE likely, whatever a dwarf pairs with, the resulting offspring is a dwarf :D

That was actually what the 2E Dwarves Deep said about dwarves and half-dwarves in the Forgotten Realms . . . half-human/half-dwarfs are virtually identical to normal dwarves, although they might be a few inches taller than average.


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Baquies wrote:
He is in line behind the three-quarterling.

This is hilarious!


No good can come of this thread...

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If anyone recalls (assuming they haven't blotted it out of their memories), Prince Caspian's tutor is a half-dwarf.

Assume for any world that everyone occasionally has wild monkey sex with everyone else, even the awakened monkeys. So if the half-orc and the gnome get it on, their kids may end up looking like wood elves, and if asked about their ancestry, they probably say they're wood elves of the *mumble*mumble* tribe.


KAM, you're all right.

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Dwarves have the good taste not to mate with the lesser races.


Kingdoms of Kalamar has a Half-Dwarf that I'm upgrading to Pathfinder, I gotta go through some spell checks but I think its done, working on races for my game. Fair warning when I post however, I kept favored class and half-Orc like ablity boost, I really didn't understand droping favored class, I never really saw it as a game mechanic as much as a comment on a races culture. As for droping a half race
+2+2-2 on ablities well I guess the thiniking was that a their just wasn't room to break the sterotype of an Orc, can't be charasmatic, or smart, or wise for that matter, although to be honest I got used to it during beta, and actually thought it worked. In either case my half-Dwarf leans this sturcturally.

TTFN DRE


F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Shadow13.com wrote:
We have the half-elf and half-orc, so where's the half-dwarf?
Ugh. Right where he's always been.

Chained down in the cellars?

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Shadow13.com wrote:
We have the half-elf and half-orc, so where's the half-dwarf?

GNOMES! Thought they claim to be from the 1st world, their secret origins are now clear!

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KnightErrantJR wrote:
Anburaid wrote:


... or what I think is MORE likely, whatever a dwarf pairs with, the resulting offspring is a dwarf :D

That was actually what the 2E Dwarves Deep said about dwarves and half-dwarves in the Forgotten Realms . . . half-human/half-dwarfs are virtually identical to normal dwarves, although they might be a few inches taller than average.

I think that also included dwelfs, i.e. half-elf/half-dwarfs. I don't recall if dwarves could breed with other races than elves or humans, but the rule of thumb was that the dwarven traits usually prevail over those of other races.


Krome wrote:
Dwarves have the good taste not to mate with the lesser races.

You'd think that Elves would be much more discriminating than Dwarves...yet we have the Half-Elf (who is the sexiest of all races, IMHO).


Baquies wrote:
He is in line behind the three-quarterling.

the three quarterling? maybe the big brother of the quarterling, or half-halfling? Or a good friend of the notorious Dwelf? :)


"Hey baby..."


Okay here's my take on such a race, I removed all the fluff since that really only matters to my home setting, other then to say one of the key factors in my thinking was that if half-elfs are born of wild passion, and half-orcs of rage and pain, then half-dwarfs are born of trade. The Dwarf Hold are falling, both from below and from above, they need human allies, and humans want Dwarf mines and holdings, so a good way to seal a treaty is via marriage. As such half-dawrf may still not fit in, but they are accepted because on the human side they are born into rich familes, and on the Dwarf side they need warriors and can easily prove themselves to the clan.

Half-Dwarfs have their own stats apart from Core humans:

· Ability Scores: +2 Wisdom, -2 Dexterity, +2 Strength any one other ability score. Although their size an shape makes them awkward and clumsy Half-Dwarfs are far wiser then most as they often understand both cultures, and therefore be more tactful and considerate when dealing with other cultures.

· Medium: As medium creatures Half-Dwarf have no special bonuses or penalties due to their size.

· Speed: A Half-Dwarf base land speed is 25 feet. However their speed is never modified by armor or encumbrance.

· Darkvision: Half-Dwarves can see in the dark up to 60ft.

· Dwarf Blood: For all special abilities, magic item usage and other effects, half-dwarves are considered dwarves, including special weapons.

· Hardy: +1 racial bonus on saving throws versus poisons, although slightly weaker then their Dwarven kin, their blood is still resistant to poisons. +1 racial bonus on saving throws against spells and spell-like effects. Even Half –Half Dwarf blood is resistant to magical spells.

· Stonecunning: +1 racial bonus on Appraise, Craft and on Perception checks to potentially notice unusual stonework, such as traps and hidden doors located in stone walls or floors. They receive a check to notice such features whenever they pass within 10 feet of them, whether or not they are actively looking.

· Skilled: Half-Dwarves gain an additional skill rank at first level and one additional rank whenever they gain a level.

· Languages: Dwarven Runic, and Trade. Bonus Languages: Any other then Secret Languages.

· Favored Class: Cleric

As to some of the other issues that have come up.....

Krome: yeah they have better taste but they also get drunk more often. A lot of Half-Dwarf kids should be called 'My Little Ale Mistake'

Shadow 13: Socially Elves might be more discriminating, but behind closed doors they do all sorts of wired things.

Oh yeah and I have found a few examples of Half-Gnome, Dwarf/Orc hybred from Midnight, and I think an Elfing (elf/halfing) as I recal.

On a slightly related note, older players, at lest back to 2nd or 1st E, which I never really played, why not the Orc as a core race but half-orcs got in? I think WoWC has proved intrest, kinda like kiligons in ST, everybody wants to play them. Oh well hope you guys like.

TTFN DRE

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FFG's Midnight has dworgs. They would have called them dworcs, to be more accurate, but that would just be silly.

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Enpeze wrote:
Baquies wrote:
He is in line behind the three-quarterling.
the three quarterling? maybe the big brother of the quarterling, or half-halfling? Or a good friend of the notorious Dwelf? :)

A half-halfling is a quarterling, while a three-quaterling is the child of a quarterling and a human. Or the result of a badly worded wish spell...


Aren't all these races already ridiculously close to humans anyway, without diluting them down to half and calling it a new race? =P

Elves = skinny humans with pointy ears.
Dwarves = short, fat humans.
Halflings = really short humans.
Gnomes = more really short humans.

Personally, I agree with the poster above me who said "slap a +2 modifier to one ability score and call it a day." ;)

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Here's a Flaw I allow for my own home-brew setting. Players have dubbed it the "Marilyn Munster" flaw, for obvious reasons....

INTERESTING RELATIVES [Flaw] [Social]
To put it politely, your relatives are...interesting.
Prerequisite: 1st level only
Detriment: You are a perfectly ordinary specimen of some common race, but your relatives are not. Maybe your mother was a medusa, your father was an androsphinx, and your sister is a lamia. Or perhaps your great-grandfather, who was buried in the barrow behind your longhall, is not only a lich, but occasionally comes out to visit his favorite grandchild. Perhaps your brothers and sisters are all giants, trolls and ettins, and you’re the runt of the litter, not even seven feet tall with only one head. Or maybe the lycanthropy or demon blood just skipped a generation. You don’t have to know how this happened, but however it did, you find no novelty or strangeness in the monsters in your family or in new ones you might meet. Unfortunately, this cannot be said of your new human friends, or your fiancee when you take him or her back to meet the folks. Alternately, you can be the only monster in a family of non-monstrous humanoids and have similar reactions from your monstrous friends when they encounter your alarmingly ordinary relations.


You know what else we're missing? Half-Owlbear.
I'm just sayin'...


Shadow13.com wrote:

You know what else we're missing? Half-Owlbear.

I'm just sayin'...

That's a good point, you know. The lack of the "regurgitate pellets" racial power in the game is threatening the balance of the whole rules set, IMO.

Of course, there's something to be said for the half-flumph, too ....

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Shadow13.com wrote:

You know what else we're missing? Half-Owlbear.

I'm just sayin'...

I swear I've seen the template for it somewhere before., probably just as an April Fools Day thing, but still...

Anyway, the craziest PC combination I've ever seen is still the Blinkling from Green Ronin's Bastards and Bloodlines. Half Halfling, Half Blink Dog. O_O


Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:

Here's a Flaw I allow for my own home-brew setting. Players have dubbed it the "Marilyn Munster" flaw, for obvious reasons....

INTERESTING RELATIVES [Flaw] [Social]
*snip*

Lilly Munster.


Krome wrote:
Dwarves have the good taste not to mate with the lesser races.

I was going to say they are more disciplined then the elves who are incapable of planning lunch let alone thinking intelligently about who they partner with.

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Kvantum wrote:
Shadow13.com wrote:

You know what else we're missing? Half-Owlbear.

I'm just sayin'...

I swear I've seen the template for it somewhere before., probably just as an April Fools Day thing, but still...

Anyway, the craziest PC combination I've ever seen is still the Blinkling from Green Ronin's Bastards and Bloodlines. Half Halfling, Half Blink Dog. O_O

All they have to do is blink into the wrong place at the wrong time...

Or the right place and time if the halfling is creepy...


Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:

Here's a Flaw I allow for my own home-brew setting. Players have dubbed it the "Marilyn Munster" flaw, for obvious reasons....

INTERESTING RELATIVES [Flaw] [Social]
*snip*

Lilly Munster.

Marilyn was the Munster's normal appearing niece.


Bonks self with plastic bat.

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I have been messing around with the idea of Half-Dwarves and Half-Giants in my PFRPG Campaign where these two races were the result of two different Runelords, Greed and Wrath, wanting to create tireless slaves (in the case of Half-Dwarves) or very powerful foot soldiers (in the case of Half-Giants by the Runlords of Greed and Wrath Respectively. As I "flesh these guys out more" I will share them in a lter post if anyone is interested.


Enpeze wrote:
the three quarterling? maybe the big brother of the quarterling, or half-halfling? Or a good friend of the notorious Dwelf? :)

I'll take a Half-Double-Deep-Orc-Half-Cat-With-A-Twist-Of-Gnome-Ling.

+100 if you know the movie.


I see Billy Crystal.


Shadow13.com wrote:
We have the half-elf and half-orc, so where's the half-dwarf?

"Ye not be being so tall there Shadow13. Would'ya by chance 'ave a little dwarf in ya, yurself? No? No, ye say? Would ya like one?"

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Kvantum wrote:
Shadow13.com wrote:

You know what else we're missing? Half-Owlbear.

I'm just sayin'...

I swear I've seen the template for it somewhere before., probably just as an April Fools Day thing, but still...

Anyway, the craziest PC combination I've ever seen is still the Blinkling from Green Ronin's Bastards and Bloodlines. Half Halfling, Half Blink Dog. O_O

I heart Bastards and Bloodlines.

Green Ronin needs to continue their Races of Renown series under the PF flag.


Kevida wrote:
...Half-Giants in my PFRPG Campaign...

Wotcher, Harry.

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Ain't no dwarf going to be half anything but drunk in my book.

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Ain't no dwarf going to be half anything but drunk in my book.

But who knows what or who in this case a drunk dwarf might get into.


Demon9ne wrote:
Green Ronin needs to ...

Green Ronin needs to support PfRPG!

Pramas, Pramas, Pramas! (Turns around)


Two dragons had just finished their main course and were about to enjoy some jello-tinous cubes for desert.

Asked one dragon of the other, "Beloved, have you any idea what's worse than a dwarf in your jello-tinous cube?"

"Do tell," responded his mate.

"A half-dwarf!"

Her brow furrowed, and a hint of soot escaped her upturned nostrils. "Hmmph! If such a creature existed surely it could not be as bitter as a full-blooded dwarf!"

The two ate in silence for a few moments before the she-dragon finally queried, "So, mate of mine... what's so bad about a half-dwarf?"

The first dragon gave a toothy grin and replied, "Because, my love... it means you've already eaten the other half!"


Laithoron wrote:

Two dragons had just finished their main course and were about to enjoy some jello-tinous cubes for desert.

Asked one dragon of the other, "Beloved, have you any idea what's worse than a dwarf in your jello-tinous cube?"

[condensed for space]

The first dragon gave a toothy grin and replied, "Because, my love... it means you've already eaten the other half!"

What a beautiful answer to the OP's original post!! (*.*)b

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Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Demon9ne wrote:
Green Ronin needs to ...

Green Ronin needs to support PfRPG!

Pramas, Pramas, Pramas! (Turns around)

We wish. He's too busy with True20 and M&M and whatever the heck the Dragon Age tabletop RPG turns out to be. :(

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Aaron Bitman wrote:
Kevida wrote:
...Half-Giants in my PFRPG Campaign...

Wotcher, Harry.

Huh?

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Kevida wrote:
Aaron Bitman wrote:
Kevida wrote:
...Half-Giants in my PFRPG Campaign...

Wotcher, Harry.

Huh?

Hagrid in the Harry Potter movies. Half-giant with a thick British accent.

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Reminds me of all the half-races in Arduin Grimoire. Gnoblins (half gnome, half goblin), Troblings (half troll, half goblin), Dwelves (dwarf / elves), Knobbits (kobold / halflings?), etc.

If you thought that Gnomish Gninjas were bad, wait till you see the Gnelfish Gninjas!

Crossbreed Gnomes with everything! Gnorcs! Gnelves! Gnarfs! Gnoflings! Gnumans! Gnowlbears! Gnuan-Ti! Gnack Puddings! Gnold Gnragons! Gnarrasques! Gnolls (no, not the hyena-dudes, we're talking half-troll, half-gnome)!

Plus the normal stuff, like Gnomish Were-Giant Space Hamsters.


Set wrote:

Reminds me of all the half-races in Arduin Grimoire. Gnoblins (half gnome, half goblin), Troblings (half troll, half goblin), Dwelves (dwarf / elves), Knobbits (kobold / halflings?), etc.

If you thought that Gnomish Gninjas were bad, wait till you see the Gnelfish Gninjas!

Crossbreed Gnomes with everything! Gnorcs! Gnelves! Gnarfs! Gnoflings! Gnumans! Gnowlbears! Gnuan-Ti! Gnack Puddings! Gnold Gnragons! Gnarrasques! Gnolls (no, not the hyena-dudes, we're talking half-troll, half-gnome)!

Plus the normal stuff, like Gnomish Were-Giant Space Hamsters.

So if the Gnome in parent involved in a Gnarf is a Snirfbinevlin, would that make it a Snarf? <Run's like hell>

Quicklings = Halfing and the Nesquick Rabbit.

seriously though, I think we don't have Half Dwarves and what not because most people don't want to think about it.


Set wrote:
Crossbreed Gnomes with everything! Gnorcs! Gnelves! Gnarfs! Gnoflings! Gnumans! Gnowlbears! Gnuan-Ti! Gnack Puddings! Gnold Gnragons! Gnarrasques! Gnolls (no, not the hyena-dudes, we're talking half-troll, half-gnome)!

*snort*

Thanks for the Kirin Stout all over my laptop, Set.

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