WD, good to see you are hanging strong buddy. I'm only on for a bit, but if you need to chat, hit me up at spamreef[at]hotmail[dot]com. I'm pulling for you, bro, as are all your friends here.
Collision Course... I remember watching that movie. Don't remember anything about it. Clearly not one of the best 80's flicks.
you guys are indiscriminate movie watchers.
...unemployed ...
Bummer. Sorry bout that, man.
Hey.. fake it till you make it right?
Totally.
you guys are indiscriminate movie watchers.
Guilty as charged. At least I was. Now I have trouble getting through favorably reviewed films.
Hey at least its a decade, I was alive for two years in the 80's and I still love it, and all its trappings. 80's parties are the best decade themed ones. So its decade specific indiscriminancy! [Is that even a word?]
Like Die Hard, which is my age! (wierd) Nothing has made me want to watch the Die Hard movies recently more than this.
...unemployed ...Bummer. Sorry bout that, man.
Thank you, but don't worry about it.
It wasn't a surprise like some places. I worked manufacturing, so when we started watching our product piling up the end of last year, we pretty much knew it was coming.
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Like Die Hard, which is my age! (wierd) Nothing has made me want to watch the Die Hard movies recently more than this.
Thank you for that. My eyes are watering from laughing so hard. I really like the chorus. Yippee Ki Yay...
Double post for the bump, have any of you played KoL? I ask, because our conversation here is reminding me of when I actually enjoyed hanging out in the chat of that game.
Gah, youtube was banned here ~again~ about a month ago.
Ferris Bueller's Day Off
The Breakfast Club
Gah, youtube was banned here ~again~ about a month ago.
How do you handle it? ;-P
LOL
Well, you check every day or two for a week then just sort of give up.
Then some dude links a youtube video, everyone but me has a chuckle, and I'm like "WTF?"
Then I go out for dinner at a first class restaurant and overfeed my family with delicious authentic Chinese food for 10 bucks US and I feel better.
Then I go out for dinner at a first class restaurant and overfeed my family with delicious authentic Chinese food for 10 bucks US and I feel better.
Nice. K, have you ever read any Cordwainer Smith books? He was a specialist in East Asian culture (his godfather was Sun Yat Sen!) and he wrote some kick azz far future SF that to this day stands as some of the most intriguing stories I ever read. His world was thousands of years in the future, where the Chinese culture had become the foundation for the Instrumentality, a weird government that basically ruled without ruling (hard to explain). He had odd cultures on weird planets like Norstrilla (Old North Australia a planet that was founded by Australian refugees after their home was paved over by the 40-billion strong Chinese continent city of Aoujou Nambien and which produced a longevity drug.) I highly recommend them if you like SF with a heavy Asian (through an American filter) influence.
WD, you ever watch Robocop? Now that's a good 80's action flick. Or I always go with the Back to the future series (I still want my flying Delorean dammit!)
Well Kruelaid, if FileFactory isn't blocked for you you can download it here (20 MB) in an mp4 format. LANGUAGE NOT SAFE FOR WORK.
EDIT:: Or maybe not. Let me look into it.
EDIT 2:: Okay, you have to scroll down below their self ads and find the link that says "Download for free with FileFactory Basic."
EDIT 3:: Forgot to add a warning about the language.
Cordwainer Smith. Wild, never heard of the guy. I'll check him out.
Well Kruelaid, if FileFactory isn't blocked for you you can download it here (20 MB) in an mp4 format. LANGUAGE NOT SAFE FOR WORK.
d/ling now
Well Kruelaid, if FileFactory isn't blocked for you you can download it here (20 MB) in an mp4 format. LANGUAGE NOT SAFE FOR WORK.
F*#~ that was AWESOME. I wonder how many people John Maclean kills in those movies.
Not as many as you might think.
I gotta try and get some sleep. I'll check back later to see where Welcoming Death takes the tour down Nostalgia Lane. I'm looking forward to it. :-D
Yah, WD, we're hoping to see you here again tomorrow.
If it suits you, check out the depression sucks thread for commiserating and advice.
Yeah, gotta punch out for work WD. Stay strong, watch some more movies, I'll check in on you in about 9 hours or so :)
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You know other than the emotional detriment you cause those around you with suicide, Have you thought about the fact that it is more than emotional detriment you are leaving behind.
I don't mean to sound callous although I probably have a callous attitude about suicide. However, death is a severe financial burden to those left behind. Even if you leave the title for your car to your wife, she'll have to pay extra taxes on that car because of our nations f8#@ed up view on death (you die, and everyone who you leave things for has to pay). Then there's the average cost of a funeral in the united states which is over $1500 if I remember correctly. At the very least I believe a cremation at its cheapest runs $300 to those who will be left behind. Have you even had a will stipulated to try and ease the burden on those left behind you as far as preparation of the body goes or had you not thought of that?
Not to try and devalue your life or anything, although you seem to be doing a good enough job of that on your own. But there is more to be considered to suicide than the emotional wreck you leave behind. There is the significant financial burden you leave behind.
You are obviously depressed, but to put it simply, suicide is plain stupid. About the only time it is a viable option that doesn't cost more in pain and finance than living is when you already have a crippling fatal disease and suicide will end the suffering. Emotional pain can seem to equate to that, I'm sure for you it seems like it does, but to those around you it isn't.
Sorry to give you non-feel good emotional reasons to not kill yourself, but I'm not that kind of person, I can give them to you, but as you've said they all sound hollow and you aren't very receptive to them. So I'm giving you valid reasons to at least hold off on things until you have them at least worked out to leave behind the least pain and financial burden for others. If nothing else while working out those issues you can hopefully find help that will change your mind and if not at least when you go you don't become an even worse burden for those you leave behind that you seem to at least care for enough to try and see they get something out of your death.
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Okay, I work in a therapeutic center for teenagers, some of whom have contemplated or attempted suicide. I also had a friend in high school attempt suicide over something we both recognize 19 years later as being silly. That is the direction that I am writing from. I have two points I would like to make.
1) The very fact that you are posting proves that you haven't fully made up your mind yet. In my field we call his a distress call. There is something that is holding you back and making you say, wait a minute and think this through. I would encourage you to dig deep and figure out what it is that is holding you back and focus on that thing.
2) There are people in this world who value you and would be affected by your passing. Just look at all the people on the board who don't even know you, but value you as a person enough to try and talk you out of suicide. By committing suicide you are making the selfish choice of depriving those people of your companionship and putting them through the heartache and pain that would come as a result of your death
Especially if you are a Charlie Sheen fan.There is such a thing as a fan of charlie sheen? I thought that was like Yetti's and Eskimos, people claim to have seen them but they don't really exist.
C'mon, Two and a Half Men, that's some decent comedy right there.
Been torn on how to, or even to, respond.
Thinking about this a lot this weekend, especially with the holiday and stuff with my teenage daughter.
My Dad was not the best Dad I guy could have, but I loved him nonetheless. Even while mixed with memories of his bad side. As I've grown older those feelings have grown, as I see how much he scarificed so that his children could have more.
My daughter is a typical teenager. Basically in the 'I hate Dad' stage. My wife shared with me how she dressed her down about her actions, leading to a better attitude. My Dad was an alcoholic, and could get mean (physically). I could be too, but I'm not. (Though grumpy) My Dad didn't communicate much to us, I do (even to the point of sounding stupid/silly). I CHOSE to do better.
Your fears of your impact on your kids are real. But they don't have to happen. Or happen all the time. Suicide makes those fears come true. And it's not something that goes away for those left behind.
Good luck. My prayers are with you.
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I don't know. If there isn't.. there should be.
Well Charlie and Martin were in Wall Street together and Matin makes a cameo in Hot Shots Part Deux. I think the nearest you are going to get to them doing a project together is Two and A Half Men. Both Martin and Emilio have done guest apperances on the show, but never together.
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Hey.. fake it till you make it right?
Yep! If you keep the wheels spinning, they may find purchase.
I hope you stick around, WD. My cousin killed himself five years ago. It still hurts like a sucker punch to the throat. He was my brother's best man, and I know it hurt him like hell and still burns. You do have a cascading effect on the world and you can make it a better place by being in it.
IMDB good source. Trivia part Emilo and Charlie have had roles where they played the son and Martin played the father The War at Home for Emilo and Wall Street for Charlie but I can't find a refrence if all 3 have been in a movie together.
In one of the Hot SHots movies...Charlie is going up a river and doing an inner monologue and that monologue gets overrun by Martins monologue and then there's Martin in another boat and they both stand and shout "Loved you in Wall Street!" **EDIT** David Fryer beat me to it. CRAP!
OK- Charlie has a cameo in National Lampoons Loaded Weapon with Emilio! "Val-i-dat-ed."
Earth Girls Are Easy by the way has some awesome stuff in it including the line from a stoner version of Lenny from Laverne n Shirley, "Does Pinocchio have a wooden butt?" and a cameo by Angelyne!
On original topic, I also seriously contemplated suicide about 3 years ago. I think everyone does**EDIT** not "everyone does" insert "some people do"**EDIT** think about it seriously at least once in their life. The thing that got me out of it was reinventing myself and moving out and away from the main contributor to those thoughts. Now, the 'reinvention' was more or less a version of myself from before, but I started writing a LOT! Mostly d-n-d related stuff but other things as well. It sounds like you have that need to get stuff on paper/computer screen. Id say go with that and use that to bring yourself out of that black place.
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On original topic, I also seriously contemplated suicide about 3 years ago. I think everyone does think about it seriously at least once in their life.
Not to be contentious but I disagree with this premise and think that encouraging it is wading in dangerous waters. I know I myself have never once considered suicide. And I can't speak for others since I don't know their innermost thoughts, but I'd be willing to bet that at least a few people I know haven't either. Normally I'd let something like this go without comment but to say that everyone considers suicide once in their life gives it an air of normalcy that it doesn't warrant nor deserve, considering suicide isn't a normal reaction and isn't something people just do at some point in their lives. It's a serious problem that is a symptom of several serious problems, and while it doesn't make you a freak to have such thoughts, it isn't something that people just go through at some point in their lives.
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I remember a movie I watched in health class. It centered a young man in high school who took his life, and how everyone he knew missed him. A lot of the people blamed themselves for not knowing what was going on with him, and his best friend was the most affected(IMO).
We'd miss you. And don't you dare doubt that for even one second!
not a rough place. But, I figure since perhaps I'm a martial artist and they knew about guns... they brought in three.
Two county cops and 1 state trooper
Hmmm . . . I haven't finished reading through the whole thread, but was skimming and saw this and it jumps out at me. Dude, if you're a martial artist, you're a fighter - so fight. Fight the darkness, fight the cloud that comes over your thoughts, fight the temptation to give up, fight the demons, fight the thoughts that tell you to do it. Believe in yourself. Yeah, you've been knocked down, but that doesn't mean you have to give up. Get up, get on your feet and fight. You can beat it.
*lurks in the dark...leaves chips and beer at the table*
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If we'er talking good light hearted funny 80s flicks, you can't forget about Fast Times at Ridgemont High!
I've read the entire thread here - quite captivating. My heart goes out to you, WD. I know life isnt' easy - it was never billed that it would be. But I refuse to believe that the only answer is ensuring you don't wake up tomorrow to see the number of good things that life can bring - not even for the CHANCE to find out.
Now, dispensing with the rhetoric for a moment.
I would like to ask WD a question:
Now that you've had some time to digest your thoughts and reactions here, and seeing the amount of response from your musings:
How would you rate your desire to try to live and find a reason to wake up tomorrow. On a scale of 0 to 10 - with 10 meaning you have the utmost desire to live and enthusiasm to see what tomorrow brings you and begin to look for something positive to build on. What you rate your desire for this - just 0 to 10.
Robert
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2) There are people in this world who value you and would be affected by your passing. Just look at all the people on the board who don't even know you, but value you as a person enough to try and talk you out of suicide. By committing suicide you are making the selfish choice of depriving those people of your companionship and putting them through the heartache and pain that would come as a result of your death
Plus of course we'll be left hanging if you do it, wondering if you did it or not. The suspense would kill!
I simply believe that I'm a waste of space. A waste of resources and I have nothing to offer anyone.
I feel the same way myself sometimes, but not enough to actually attempt suicide.
I've realized, however, if it comes to the point where I lose all faith in my future.... I decided NOT to commit suicide. I'll give up... but rather sacrifice myself by devoting my life to charity. I mean, my life sucks, but I'm HERE still. And while I'm here, I might as well make myself useful to someone.
I kinda came to a similar point earlier in my life. I may not be able to do much to improve my emotional state, but I can at least work out and improve my body. It's SOMETHING, at least.
I don't know if my logic makes sense to you or not, but I hope it helps give another option.
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Well, I'm not a psychiatrist, so don't take this as medical advice, but I figure that it's at least worth consideration:
From what I understand, some cases of recurring suicidal thoughts, especially when combined with symptoms of borderline personality disorder, are caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. That sort of disorder is actually a physical condition - like an allergy to peanuts or a melatonin deficiency in an albino - in addition to being an emotional response.
So before you do anything drastic, check with a psychiatrist or three to make sure your depression isn't being caused by a physical disorder. Though doctors tend to over-prescribe antidepressants these days, in cases where one's brain chemistry is out of whack to begin with, those sorts of medications actually do what they were intended to do: instead of suppressing your feelings or changing your personality, they restore the capacity of your brain to properly process the feelings you already have.
It's no different than someone who is lactose intolerant taking a medication to improve their digestion of dairy products. If they've always hated the taste of milk, milk will still taste just as bad. Only now, thanks to medication restoring the proper balance of enzymes in their digestive system, they won't have to suffer from hours of painful cramps if they're forced to drink a glass of awful-tasting milk.
Of course, any attempt to diagnose and treat a chemical imbalance of the brain takes a lot of trial and error, if that is indeed the source of your current trouble. Each person reacts differently to different medications, and it may take many months of adjustments to find one that let's you feel like yourself while still treating the problem. But its worth checking to see if that sort of solution to your problems exists before resorting to anything more permanent.
That goes double if you have children, because disorders that affect brain chemistry are often genetic. Even if it takes years of frustration in the hands of idiot...
Yeah, it's worth a shot (pun intended).
This thread reminds me why I have faith in humanity.
Good luck, WD... I really hope things improve soon. Remember that every day you make it through is a gift to the folks around you - I've been at ground zero for the aftermath of more than one suicide, and you truly wouldn't believe how much it affects people. People you wouldn't think would even notice are torn up for the rest of their lives over it, and those who love you carry it with them forever like a stone around their neck. I can understand wanting out, but remember that suicide doesn't remove that crushing weight, it just multiplies it and spreads it around. Every day that you're carrying that weight is one where your friends don't have to, and I'd call that heroic. Let others help lessen the burden, but don't make them carry it without you.
And to everybody else on here - thank you.
