Director of Game Design
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Welcome to the Errata and Typos thread for the Sorcerer and Wizard portions of the classes chapter. If you spot any typos or rules that need errata in this section, please post them to this thread. Note that this is not a thread for discussing rules changes, only obvious mistakes or unclear rules. We have done our best to make these chapters as clean as possible, but 10,000 eyes are better than 12. Thanks for your help.
Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing
The Evoker School ability rules need clarification. It says that you add +2 to the damage of evocation spells. This is unclear when it comes to spells like Magic Missile and Scorching Ray, which have seperate damage rolls and can target seperate opponents.
We have made the assumption that the ability works like the Warmage's Edge ability, so that it only applies to one bolt/ray/etc. Clarification in the core rules would be appreciated.
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The acid splash spell is mentioned in the spell lists but doesn't actually appear in the spells descriptions section. This has probably been reported 50 times and might also be considered to be an issue for the spells part of the playtest (is there one? If I wasn't so lazy, I'd check) I'm going to mention it now, while I remember.
EDIT: Reading the arcane playtest guidelines, I now see that I should have waited. Apologies.
The spell-like abilities that Wizards receive at every second level, skip level 8 and thus spell level 4 (which is the only spell level skipped). This is probably intentional, since the Wizard receives a school power at level 8, but it is an anomaly, so I thought I would point it out in case it is a mistake.
Also for the Wizard - if standard spell progression were to be followed, 9th level spells should progress thusly:
17....1
18....2
19....2
20....3
Instead, they progress as follows in the Beta:
17....1
18....2
19....3
20....4
As you can see, the progression of 9th level spells differs from all other spell progressions at levels 19 and 20. This may be intentional to make sure that the Wizard has a maximum number of spells of each level at level 20, but it is worth pointing out in case it is a mistake.
Note - if you are interested in a progression that maxes the spells out automatically, see post two in this thread: http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderR PG/design/sorcererWizard/wizardsAreOverpowered
(related to the above poster's comment)
The Wizard Advancement Table doesn't distinguish (Su) abilities & Bonus Spells. Instead of listing them all as "School Power", this should be clear on the table. (It's not reflected in the Beta, but I believe it was mentioned that the Bonus Spells were returning to Spells and not Supernatural Abilities...?)
Also, the School Tables list the Abilities as gained by "Caster Level", when this should be "Wizard Level".
Likewise, I believe instead of putting the Schools/Domains in the same Chapter as the Spells themselves, they should either all be listed with their Classes (like Sorceror Bloodlines), OR Schools, Domains & Bloodlines should all be united in one chapter, separate from the Spells. ("Magic Class Abilities" Chapter title?)
Not getting into the specifics of the Abilities,
Bonded Item & Familiar should be right next to each other,
under the same heading ("Arcane Bond") instead of separated by a page or two.
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Wizard
Page 49
Why is Arcane Bond listed as Su? That could suggest that the bonus spell you get for using a bonded object is treated as a supernatural ability instead of a spell, which I can't imagine was the intent. (And if it is the intent, I think that should be made more clear.) I suggest leaving it as an unclassified ability.
I think the following is inaccurate: "Bonded objects only function for their creator..." Shouldn't it read more along the lines of "Bonded objects only function for the wizard who owns it..." or is the wizard supposed to have originally fashioned the amulet/ ring/ weapon/ etc. himself?
Does the wizard begin play with the bonded object? If so, I think the text should say that, as it does for the wizard's spellbook. And it should be made clear that the bonded object starts off without other powers, i.e., if it's a wand, the wand has no spells unless and until the owner enchants the wand.
The header "Cantrips" probably should not be italicized.
Page 51
Under Speak with Animals of its Kind, the monkey is omitted when describing the other types of animals with which it can speak.
In that same sentence, the animals are listed alphabetically, except for the phrases "rats with rodents" which is out of place and seems to belong immediately prior to "toads with amphibians".
Just a question that may have been covered elsewhere...
Page 49, column 1. "The bonded item can be used once per day to cast any one spell that the wizard knows and can cast, just as if the wizard had cast it."
Just because I'm anal retenti... I mean a rules lawye... I mean. . . Oh honestly, just because I'm an argumentative jerk sometimes, I was going to ask this question before my players ask it of me:
If I can cast any spell I 'know', I can claim that all I have in my spell book are spells I 'know', which means I can, in theory, use my bonded item to cast any spell in my spell book of any level that I can cast whether I have it memorized or not. Is this the intent, or does it just give me the chance to cast a spell I have memorized for that day without losing it from my memory?
Thanks for the answer, and I'll admit that I'm loving the game so far. :-)
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If I can cast any spell I 'know', I can claim that all I have in my spell book are spells I 'know', which means I can, in theory, use my bonded item to cast any spell in my spell book of any level that I can cast whether I have it memorized or not.
I believe that is the intent, but you're right, it should be clarified.
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I don't think the header "Cantrips" should be italicized.
Page 44
On Table 4-12, Eschew Materials should be capitalized.
Page 167, Column 2, Paragraph 4, Sentence 7:
"The process leaves a spellbook that was copied from unharmed, but a spell successfully copied from a magic scroll disappears from the parchment."
Page 167, Column 2, Paragraph 5, Sentence 3:
"A spell that was being copied from a scroll does not vanish from the scroll."
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Directly contridictory statements, needs cleared up please.
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Familiar skill points:
In 3.5, the number of ranks a familiar had pretty much ignored questions of "class skills," because the ranks were just "borrowed" directly from the wizard/sorcerer, and the familiar never spent skill points directly.
In Pathfinder, however, this is no longer the case. We need to know whether a given skill is a class skill for familiars or not. Can we get this cleared up, please?
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Page 167, Column 2, Paragraph 4, Sentence 7:
"The process leaves a spellbook that was copied from unharmed, but a spell successfully copied from a magic scroll disappears from the parchment."Page 167, Column 2, Paragraph 5, Sentence 3:
"A spell that was being copied from a scroll does not vanish from the scroll."********************************
Directly contridictory statements, needs cleared up please.
They are not directly contradictry if taken in context. The second one is in a paragraph referring completely to the consequences of failure of the Spellcraft check while copying a scroll to a spellboook.
So if the check succeeds, you copy the spell from the scroll into the spellbook, but it vanishes from the scroll. If you fail the Spellcraft check, you don't copy it from the scroll and it doesn't vanish.
The only way this could be cleared up any further, as it seems very clear to me as it is, is to put "when you fail the Spellcraft check to copy from a scroll to spellbook." at the end of the second sentence you quote, but that seems like overkill as it is fairly clear already, IMO.
Edit: Adding in the paragraphs for reference.
Spells Copied from Another’s Spellbook or a Scroll: A wizard can also add a spell to her book whenever she encounters
one on a magic scroll or in another wizard’s spellbook. No matter what the spell’s source, the wizard must first decipher the magical writing (see Arcane Magical Writings). Next, she must spend one hour studying the spell. At the end of the hour, she must make a Spellcraft check (DC 15 + spell’s level). A wizard who has specialized in a school of spells gains a +2 bonus on the Spellcraft check if the new spell is from her specialty school. If the check succeeds, the wizard understands the spell and can copy it into her spellbook (see Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook). The process leaves a spellbook that was copied from unharmed, but a spell successfully copied from a magic scroll disappears from the parchment.If the check fails, the wizard cannot understand or copy the spell. She cannot attempt to learn or copy that spell again until she gains another rank in Spellcraft. A spell that was being copied from a scroll does not vanish from the scroll.
Ok, yeah some clarification could help, right now it seems to contridict the one before it to me.
p48 clarify: Wizard spells, Preparation, "good night's sleep" = once per day (24 hours)
On page 194 in the second paragraph under the ARCANE SCHOOLS heading, it describes that the DC for wizard specialty school bonus ability saves is Charisma based. Is this correct, or should this read Intelligence?