There has been many good ones for Alpha releases, does anyone have ones for Beta that you would like to share? Has anyone even found anything that should be changed from alpha sheets?
I haven't, but made a new horizontal Beta sheet anyway. It's basically the same as my Alpha sheet, but with few new features, as new background art, space for DR, SR and different speeds. I also added check boxes to class features as requested. It's fillable and savable.
Nice looking one.
~squeeee~
Thank you!
You SURE you don't want some cookies?
I had to tweak a few things for my Excel-based character sheet, but not much. Here's the latest version based on the Beta:
I'll plop mine out here:
http://www.neceros.com/forum/index.php?automodule=downloads&showfile=16
Thanks!
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I'll plop mine out here:
Neceros' Pathfinder Character Sheet.Thanks!
Linkificated. I take donations.
I've prefer to use my own computer-based sheet ever since I learned how to use spreadsheets, and I'm in the middle of creating a sheet for Beta. I really like yours, though, erian, and am probably going to steal a bit from it, if you don't mind.
As far as stuff I was planning on removing from the sheet Paizo gave us: there's not too much, really. We're going to be running "Curse of the Crimson Throne" with the Beta rules, so "homeland" isn't necessary for this one time, and I can save some space by removing things my character isn't going to use... but that's just for me and what we're doing.
I'm curious, though, why you separated out the Perception skill into the 5 senses, though, instead of a general Perception, with two "Perception (____)" lines. Not that you really need to condense anywhere....
Hey nice design on the PF Character sheet. I like the over all look... But I would like to "suggest" some things..
1. Less spacing between the attacks (make room for more things on page 1)
2. Add Class/Level to the front page.
3. Can you add in the basic calculations so when you are adding in armor, etc.. it populates the fields on page 1?
4. Turn off the blue shading background color for the editable fields
5. Do we need to know what "Size" you are so much it's on the first page?
6. Remove classes space on page two, replace with class features and special abilities.. (This would allow you to print page 1 and 2 back to back and have the full character info on one page)
7. Condense Animal Companion, Mount and Familar in one space.Other then that, the sheet looks great.
Take Care
Jeff
Hi! Thanks for your time to review it! I thought of your suggestions and here are some observations I took:
1. That's one thing I could do, but it wouldn't free very much space, actually only equal to one attack box.
2. Actually class/level was on the first space in one of my alpha sheets, but it was requested by few users that there would be basic character information (name, race...) instead. I could put class/level to first page, but I'm afraid it would become too crowded. And there would be space for only one class, which wouldn't make multiclassers happy. This is a matter of opinion and I'm not sure what mine is =)
3. Calculations require javascript and it takes a lot of time. I don't use autocalculating sheets myself, so I'm not sure if I'll do them. BUT there was this guy who made my alphasheet calculate things, and I could ask if he wanted to copy them to this one too =).
4. Hm, not sure what you mean with this one. Fields don't have any background color in my sheet. If you click an image in Acrobat it activates and shows blue background, but that is a feature of Acrobat that can't be turned off. Could this be what you meant?
5. No, I don't think we do, but it takes very little space, and it's still the most logical place for that kind of information. I put all the basic character information in the beginning of the sheet, and size is one of them...
6. The sheet is already designed so that you can print only page one and two with simple characters. There is already a space for class features on page two, the one in page three is just for some space more =).
7. One of my alpha sheets did that too, but then one player wanted to play wizard with horse and familiar, and wanted to have stats for both of them in the sheet...
Those were all fine suggestions, some of them which I would like to have in my character's sheet. But then there are lot's of people who like it the way it is now =).
~squeeee~
Thank you!
You SURE you don't want some cookies?
Mm, cookies... =)
I've prefer to use my own computer-based sheet ever since I learned how to use spreadsheets, and I'm in the middle of creating a sheet for Beta. I really like yours, though, erian, and am probably going to steal a bit from it, if you don't mind.
As far as stuff I was planning on removing from the sheet Paizo gave us: there's not too much, really. We're going to be running "Curse of the Crimson Throne" with the Beta rules, so "homeland" isn't necessary for this one time, and I can save some space by removing things my character isn't going to use... but that's just for me and what we're doing.
I'm curious, though, why you separated out the Perception skill into the 5 senses, though, instead of a general Perception, with two "Perception (____)" lines. Not that you really need to condense anywhere....
Thanks. You're welcome to any of it and I'd also appreciate any feedback. For the skills, I have the Perception split up because it will auto-calc racial mods by type and also because our group uses the Book of Distinctions and Drawbacks, which has options for specific sensory flaws. Do note that all the skills are one drop down cell validation--you can get rid of all of them and just list the ones you need. I do that, for instance, with my wizard for CotCT to take off all the trained-only skills he can't use. I drop the Perception down to just one line since he has no specific sensory mods.
On auto-calcs in general, I do some things and not others. It takes race into consideration for ability, skill, and save adjustments for instance, but I don't have any logic in for auto-adding racial weapons. For classes, I key off the class name to mark class skills, but don't auto-calc BAB, base saves, etc. I may build that in eventually but one of my goals with this thing is to keep it fairly lite on file size. Plus I haven't had time for the data entry yet! I did complete a general list of feats from the PRPG, but haven't built anything around that yet. I've also started a Supplement sheet that lists all the Local and General feats, alternate class abilities, and traits from the Campaign Setting and Player's Guides but haven't sucked that into the character sheet yet.
Oh, and cell protection is turned on, but none of the sheets are password-protected. I do that so I won't fat-finger something and miss it...
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I had to tweak a few things for my Excel-based character sheet, but not much. Here's the latest version based on the Beta:
I'm getting a 404 error on this link... Is there a new link? I'm a big fan of xls character sheets. I use one that was made quite a while ago, and have been able to modify it for my own purposes over the years, but thought I'd check out one that was built more recently and is Beta compatible without my intervention. :)
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There has been many good ones for Alpha releases, does anyone have ones for Beta that you would like to share? Has anyone even found anything that should be changed from alpha sheets?
I haven't, but made a new horizontal Beta sheet anyway. It's basically the same as my Alpha sheet, but with few new features, as new background art, space for DR, SR and different speeds. I also added check boxes to class features as requested. It's fillable and savable.
Mmm. That's a pretty character sheet you got there, boy.
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I'll plop mine out here:
Neceros' Pathfinder Character Sheet.Thanks!
Great sheets, just some questions, suggestions, and requests though:
- spell resistance, not resist- damage reduction, not resist
- what are the boxes next to CMB for? ammo? bad placement if so, instead add place for CMB defensive DC calculation, due to possible feat bonuses
- trained skills (with ranks) gain a +3 bonus.
Just my initial thoughts.
I'm getting a 404 error on this link... Is there a new link? I'm a big fan of xls character sheets. I use one that was made quite a while ago, and have been able to modify it for my own purposes over the years, but thought I'd check out one that was built more recently and is Beta compatible without my intervention. :)I had to tweak a few things for my Excel-based character sheet, but not much. Here's the latest version based on the Beta:
Hmm, nope, still working for me. Anyone else having a problem?
This is is actually inspired from the famous HeroForge sheet. That one is very robust, but got so big it was difficult for me to customize rapidly (I often use custom races, classes, etc.--thus the presence of a Personality save based on Charisma, for instance).
I'll plop mine out here:
Neceros' Pathfinder Character Sheet.Thanks!
Great sheets, just some questions, suggestions, and requests though:
- spell resistance, not resist
- damage reduction, not resist- what are the boxes next to CMB for? ammo? bad placement if so, instead add place for CMB defensive DC calculation, due to possible feat bonuses
- trained skills (with ranks) gain a +3 bonus.
Just my initial thoughts.
Ooo. I had been considering what to put near CMB. Those were filler boxes, which in my recent version isn't there anymore. I'll post the revised soon.
While I understand that Resist is not the proper term, it is still valid. further: I don't have room to spell it out otherwise.
Yep, trained skills get a +3 bonus if you have ranks in them.
Happy Gaming!
I'll plop mine out here:
http://www.neceros.com/forum/index.php?automodule=downloads&showfile=16Thanks!
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I'm getting a 404 error on this link... Is there a new link? I'm a big fan of xls character sheets. I use one that was made quite a while ago, and have been able to modify it for my own purposes over the years, but thought I'd check out one that was built more recently and is Beta compatible without my intervention. :)
Hmm, nope, still working for me. Anyone else having a problem?
This is is actually inspired from the famous HeroForge sheet. That one is very robust, but got so big it was difficult for me to customize rapidly (I often use custom races, classes, etc.--thus the presence of a Personality save based on Charisma, for instance).
I can click on it in both Firefox and IE and get the 404 error. If I right-click on it and choose save, it saves a cap of the 404 error. :)
Any chance you could upload it somewhere else?
Erian:
As someone who has done a lot of work using Excel+Word mail-merged sheets, I'm extremely impressed by Your work. Where in my old 3.5 sheets (still working on a PfRPG one) I used Excel as a database to store many characters, I have to admit that keeping one character to a sheet makes it more intuitive for the person filling them out. I also like how You setup the sheet in order to format it nicely. The whole reason I was doing the mail-merge approach was that Excel was such a bear to format anything in. However, I think I've learned a thing or two from Your approach which should save me a lot of time going forward. :)
With that said, I ran across a possible calculation problem with the point buys that I figured You'd want to know about:
If I create a human or half-elf, then everything seems to calculate properly. However, when I select a race that grants +2/+2/-2, and adjust the scores accordingly, it tells me that I have spent -2 points.
For example, selecting half-orc and changing the base stats to S12/D10/C10/I8/W12/C10 results in the sheet saying I've spent -2 points regardless of what point allotment I have selected.
BTW, have You given any thought to having a seperate fill-in sheet from the one that actually gets printed/used? I found that I was able to free up a lot of extra room on mine by hiding most of the calculation boxes. This also made it easier for my newbie players to know which number was important when performing a d20 check.
3.5 example: Captain Soranna Anitah Lvl 11
I can click on it in both Firefox and IE and get the 404 error. If I right-click on it and choose save, it saves a cap of the 404 error. :)
Any chance you could upload it somewhere else?
That's odd...try this one:
That's my DSL account, so the bandwidth is pretty limited.
Erian:
As someone who has done a lot of work using Excel+Word mail-merged sheets, I'm extremely impressed by Your work. Where in my old 3.5 sheets (still working on a PfRPG one) I used Excel as a database to store many characters, I have to admit that keeping one character to a sheet makes it more intuitive for the person filling them out. I also like how You setup the sheet in order to format it nicely. The whole reason I was doing the mail-merge approach was that Excel was such a bear to format anything in. However, I think I've learned a thing or two from Your approach which should save me a lot of time going forward. :)
Thanks!. I've taken a lot of hints from excellent sheets over the years, like the aforementioned HeroForge. And it helps that spreadsheets are a daily part of my work-life...
I wanted a small sheet that could be printed straight out and used as a blank character sheet, used for some automated character creation, or just ignore the auto-calc and make stuff up. I also wanted something fairly modular, meaning if I make a Fighter I can easily rip out the spell stuff, put in more spots for weapons, etc.
With that said, I ran across a possible calculation problem with the point buys that I figured You'd want to know about:
If I create a human or half-elf, then everything seems to calculate properly. However, when I select a race that grants +2/+2/-2, and adjust the scores accordingly, it tells me that I have spent -2 points.
For example, selecting half-orc and changing the base stats to S12/D10/C10/I8/W12/C10 results in the sheet saying I've spent -2 points regardless of what point allotment I have selected.
Hmm, I'm not getting that one--just ran through a half-orc, elf, and dwarf to check and they all came out fine. I'll do some double-checks to make sure. And of course if anyone finds the problem before me, I'm open for suggestions!
BTW, have You given any thought to having a seperate fill-in sheet from the one that actually gets printed/used? I found that I was able to free up a lot of extra room on mine by hiding most of the calculation boxes. This also made it easier for my newbie players to know which number was important when performing a d20 check.
I actually took that approach with a True20 character sheet I made and it worked out fairly well. I've been thinking about making tabs for each of the steps outlined in the PFRPG for character creation that would walk someone through the process and then fill out the character sheet for them to print. This would probably be a separate effort from the current sheet, as that'll build in a lot of logic/constraints that might start hamstringing my customization criteria. I've got a Custom spot for race and class already built into this sheet, but haven't done much with it yet. I fiddle with things like that all the time--half my players at least are using custom races or classes at any given time...
3.5 example: Captain Soranna Anitah Lvl 11
Nice one! Lots of info packed on that first sheet. I'm fiddling around with some extras right now--a Spell sheet, feat summary, etc. that the player's can use as play aids. I might be taking a few pointers from the things you've got.
Not sure if it matters that I'm running Excel 2007 or not, but I just re-downloaded the sheet and was able to replicate the error as follows:
I started off selecting "Elf" from the race drop-down. When I change Dex and Int to 12 and Con to 8, it correctly shows 0 points spent.
Next I decided, "Hmm, maybe I want to be a human instead..." and changed the race to Human. I then selected Strength for my +2.
Again I changed my mind and switched back to an elf. This is where it breaks and I get an extra +2 in Strength for free. (I have to go up to 17 Str before it subtracts 2 points per increase)
I decided to close (without saving) and made a human first then switched away — same problem. My guess is that the point buy calculation isn't reading the "human = false" property correctly.
BTW, thanks for the compliments on my sheets. As I've mentioned in other threads, my last group was full of a lot of newbies who all seemingly suffered from ADD. ;-) One of the areas I began to concentrate on was using both layout and color-coding to indicate the flow of a combat round from start to finish, top to bottom, purple (initiative) to red (taking damage).
The latest design I was working on was to keep all the players on the same page literally. That is to organize the character sheets based on what the party is actually doing from passive to active to aggressive (i.e. Observation -> Exploration -> Dialog -> Defense -> Offense). Unfortunately, I'm also in the middle of trying to flesh out as much story/setting info on my campaign wiki as possible before starting my PfRPG beta campaign so that design is going to be on the back-burner for a while yet.
Still, if You or anyone else wanted to take a stab at it I'd be happy to go into further detail on the idea.
Not sure if it matters that I'm running Excel 2007 or not, but I just re-downloaded the sheet and was able to replicate the error as follows:
I started off selecting "Elf" from the race drop-down. When I change Dex and Int to 12 and Con to 8, it correctly shows 0 points spent.
Next I decided, "Hmm, maybe I want to be a human instead..." and changed the race to Human. I then selected Strength for my +2.
Again I changed my mind and switched back to an elf. This is where it breaks and I get an extra +2 in Strength for free. (I have to go up to 17 Str before it subtracts 2 points per increase)
I decided to close (without saving) and made a human first then switched away — same problem. My guess is that the point buy calculation isn't reading the "human = false" property correctly.
Did you leave the value in Racial Ability Bonus set? If so, that's what's causing the problem--I don't have any logic built in for that field to check if Race = Human or Half-elf. If that's not it, let me know and I'll keep digging around.
BTW, thanks for the compliments on my sheets. As I've mentioned in other threads, my last group was full of a lot of newbies who all seemingly suffered from ADD. ;-) One of the areas I began to concentrate on was using both layout and color-coding to indicate the flow of a combat round from start to finish, top to bottom, purple (initiative) to red (taking damage).
The latest design I was working on was to keep all the players on the same page literally. That is to organize the character sheets based on what the party is actually doing from passive to active to aggressive (i.e. Observation -> Exploration -> Dialog -> Defense -> Offense). Unfortunately, I'm also in the middle of trying to flesh out as much story/setting info on my campaign wiki as possible before starting my PfRPG beta campaign so that design is going to be on the back-burner for a while yet.
Still, if You or anyone else wanted to take a stab at it I'd be happy to go into further detail on the idea.
That does sound interesting and would probably help out some of my players, including my wife. So, I'd love to hear more!
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I can click on it in both Firefox and IE and get the 404 error. If I right-click on it and choose save, it saves a cap of the 404 error. :)
Any chance you could upload it somewhere else?
That's odd...try this one:
PFRPG_CS_v_B_0_1.xls
That's my DSL account, so the bandwidth is pretty limited.
Much better... got it. Thank you. :)
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I had to tweak a few things for my Excel-based character sheet, but not much. Here's the latest version based on the Beta:
Very Nice. Thanks. I have been fiddling with my 3.5 sheet in excel for a while but I have so many house rules coded into it it is making it tough to bring back to core to even start the process of moving to PRPG.
Did you leave the value in Racial Ability Bonus set? If so, that's what's causing the problem--I don't have any logic built in for that field to check if Race = Human or Half-elf. If that's not it, let me know and I'll keep digging around.
Yes, I didn't see a blank option in the drop-down list to reset it back to null. (I didn't want to just delete since, I don't want to break the sheet.)
That does sound interesting and would probably help out some of my players, including my wife. So, I'd love to hear more!
Now keep in mind that this is an in-progress design and one that's only about 40% finished, but here's the general schema that I had in mind:
Rather than getting fancy with the formatting itself, the emphasis this time is on keeping everything easily readible with large fonts and clear divisions based on what the party is doing. The Excel spreadsheet/data-source remains largely unchanged while a new Word template is created.
The overall design is similar to a 3-panel DM screen. The center panel (which is the one in the example) has a side facing the party that gives very basic appearance and bio information to the other players — stuff that You as a player probably don't even need to see most of the time. The flip-side of that center panel lists the core party functions. My next step was going to be the addition of the attacks at the bottom of the sheet, but then I figured I'd wait for the beta to come out (that being 3 months ago).
The side panels would contain feats, spell/domain lists, class/racial abilities, equipment etc. If more space was needed, players could always make use of the outward-facing sides of the side panels as scratch paper. The idea being that the sheet (printed on card-stock) could either stand like a DM screen or be laid flat like a placemat. Flipping a normal double-sided sheet over can be a mess when You have dice, minis, tokens and snacks atop it. But in this way, that would largely be a thing of the past.
Anyhow, since I'm planning to run my next campaign online I'm not sure when I'll come back to this layout. If You want to collaborate or just run with it Yourself though, be my guest! :)
BTW, here's an example of why I set my spreadsheet up to store multiple characters:
As the DM, I kept all the characters and NPCs stored in my spreadsheet and would simply copy the records and modify them accordingly when they gained a level. A simple true/false column for "party?" was used to denote if a given character should be in the party and popped them into the report. H and V lookups were then used to specify which stats to include. This saved me a lot of time when I needed characters to make stealth/perception checks without the players knowing. It also gave me an idea of who was best-suited for various tasks (or abuse ;).
I've retooled my character sheet to support BETA. See here:
Neceros' Character Sheet
Thanks, and happy gaming!
Very Nice. Thanks. I have been fiddling with my 3.5 sheet in excel for a while but I have so many house rules coded into it it is making it tough to bring back to core to even start the process of moving to PRPG.I had to tweak a few things for my Excel-based character sheet, but not much. Here's the latest version based on the Beta:
Yeah, the house-rules issue is one of the things that drove me back to a more basic functionality spreadsheet approach versus trying to code everything in for auto-calcs. Keeping it semi-automated suits my rule tendencies much better!
I've retooled my character sheet to support BETA. See here:
Neceros' Character SheetThanks, and happy gaming!
Hey, that's pretty nice. I might have to swipe some of your placement ideas...
Did you leave the value in Racial Ability Bonus set? If so, that's what's causing the problem--I don't have any logic built in for that field to check if Race = Human or Half-elf. If that's not it, let me know and I'll keep digging around.Yes, I didn't see a blank option in the drop-down list to reset it back to null. (I didn't want to just delete since, I don't want to break the sheet.)
Hmm, good catch. I'll add a blank space into the validation list to make that more obvious. Might also work up some race validation logic.
That does sound interesting and would probably help out some of my players, including my wife. So, I'd love to hear more!Now keep in mind that this is an in-progress design and one that's only about 40% finished, but here's the general schema that I had in mind:
Rather than getting fancy with the formatting itself, the emphasis this time is on keeping everything easily readible with large fonts and clear divisions based on what the party is doing. The Excel spreadsheet/data-source remains largely unchanged while a new Word template is created.
The overall design is similar to a 3-panel DM screen. The center panel (which is the one in the example) has a side facing the party that gives very basic appearance and bio information to the other players — stuff that You as a player probably don't even need to see most of the time. The flip-side of that center panel lists the core party functions. My next step was going to be the addition of the attacks at the bottom of the sheet, but then I figured I'd wait for the beta to come out (that being 3 months ago).
The side panels would contain feats, spell/domain lists, class/racial abilities, equipment etc. If more space was needed, players could always make use of the outward-facing sides of the side panels as scratch paper. The idea being that the sheet (printed on card-stock) could either stand like a DM screen or be laid flat like a placemat. Flipping a normal double-sided sheet over can be a mess when You have dice, minis, tokens...
That's definitely a cool idea, especially in that it would remind others in the party about your character. The Pinnacle Entertainment Group puts out a Customizable GM Screen--basically a three-panel folder set edge-ways with six pockets for sheets. It does cost upwards of $25, but is a pretty durable option.
My group all have their laptops on-hand during the game, and a landscape format for character sheets is actually more convenient for on-screen display as well. I've actually been fiddling with a remake of my XLS file to accommodate landscape, but figured I'd get the Beta nailed down before tackling that.
Side-item, but I wanted to make a note of this for future reference...
In the process of making these sheets we might include Product Identity of Paizo--names of languages, nations, races, etc. Is it permissible to do so? I've actually added an OGL sheet to my latest version to keep things on the up-and-up, but I'd like to clarify this point before getting too specific with Beta information.
Thanks!
P.S. Oh, and I know most of the Paizo folks are away at GenCon, so no rush...
Hey, that's pretty nice. I might have to swipe some of your placement ideas...
Thanks! Happy to help.
That's definitely a cool idea, especially in that it would remind others in the party about your character.
Thanks! Credit for the idea actually goes to a friend of mine who is an illustrator for Margaret Weis Productions. Naturally, she recognized that the sheets needed a big place for someone like her to portray people's characters. Sadly, MWP has tried publishing character sheets in the past and is now of the opinion that it's simply not a viable product idea. Still, that doesn't stop us hobbyists from running with the design.
The Pinnacle Entertainment Group puts out a Customizable GM Screen--basically a three-panel folder set edge-ways with six pockets for sheets. It does cost upwards of $25, but is a pretty durable option.
Thanks for the link to that DM-screen. Here's another one I've been considering should I run an in-person (vs. online) game again: The World's Greatest Screen. It would be a tough choice really: more space vs. being able to see the game mat more easily...
My concerns for players using such a screen would be:
* If the players decide to lay them flat like placemats, they are taking up nearly 3-feet of real-estate at the gaming table. That's almost certainly going to intrude on their neighbor.
* Unless the screen is perma/dry-erase (some are merely wet-erase) then the players will almost certainly ruin theirs as I use sharpies and dry-erase markers on the flip mats. To play it safe we'd be back to tracking changes/damage on scrap paper rather than directly on their sheets.
My group all have their laptops on-hand during the game, and a landscape format for character sheets is actually more convenient for on-screen display as well. I've actually been fiddling with a remake of my XLS file to accommodate landscape, but figured I'd get the Beta nailed down before tackling that.
Oof! A couple of my players have tried bringing their laptops, but they're all so ADD, that they end up distracting everyone else and themselves. Still, I heartily agree that the landscape format is a lot easier to view on most computers unless You're a freak and have one of Your monitors in portrait view. /me stands totally inconspicuously in front of his 2nd monitor looking up at the ceiling and twiddling his thumbs while whistling innocently... ;)
Back to character sheets as screens though, this does give me a new idea...
Remember how with my 1st sheet You could fold-over the skills to see feats and damage tracking? Well, a landscape style sheet could be created using just 2-sheets of cardstock that still gives the surface area of the 3-sheet version. You'd simply slice one of the sheets in half and and attach them as fold-overs at the sides of the central sheet. That uses 1/3 less paper and takes up less table-space than either of the 3-panel formats. Plus a 5-6" flap is easier to fold-over than a whole sheet of cardstock so You wouldn't need to move Your dice and Other Stuff™ completely out of the way to see info on the fold-overs.
Whatcha think?
I've retooled my character sheet to support BETA. See here:
Neceros' Character SheetThanks, and happy gaming!
Necros your profession skill shows Int base. Shouldn't it be Wis? I like the sheet and am using it.
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There has been many good ones for Alpha releases, does anyone have ones for Beta that you would like to share? Has anyone even found anything that should be changed from alpha sheets?
I haven't, but made a new horizontal Beta sheet anyway. It's basically the same as my Alpha sheet, but with few new features, as new background art, space for DR, SR and different speeds. I also added check boxes to class features as requested. It's fillable and savable.
Salama, I think this is just about the coolest sheet I've seen yet! I loved the Alpha version as well. One thing though ...
You may remember we talked about this before in the Alpha sheet thread: Can you make a 8.5x11 portrait oriented sheet? Most people I know prefer their sheets in a standard 8.5x11 format so you can put it in a notebook etc. The landscape orientaion is actually kind of awkward (for me anyway)and is pretty much a deal breaker, which is a shame because, like I said, your sheet is by far the best one I've seen!
Any chance you could do this?
Thanks so much - great work!
My concerns for players using such a screen would be:
* If the players decide to lay them flat like placemats, they are taking up nearly 3-feet of real-estate at the gaming table. That's almost certainly going to intrude on their neighbor.
* Unless the screen is perma/dry-erase (some are merely wet-erase) then the players will almost certainly ruin theirs as I use sharpies and dry-erase markers on the flip mats. To play it safe we'd be back to tracking changes/damage on scrap paper rather than directly on their sheets.
Yep, I've actually come around to never using a DM screen, even, at least not on the table between me and the players, as I like the interaction with the group more than the privacy. And I'm a "roll it in front of the players" DM anyway...
Oof! A couple of my players have tried bringing their laptops, but they're all so ADD, that they end up distracting everyone else and themselves. Still, I heartily agree that the landscape format is a lot easier to view on most computers...
I solve this by doing nasty things to characters that are unmanned for too long...
... unless You're a freak and have one of Your monitors in portrait view. /me stands totally inconspicuously in front of his 2nd monitor looking up at the ceiling and twiddling his thumbs while whistling innocently... ;)
Man, they'll just let any sort of freaks in this place...
:^D
Back to character sheets as screens though, this does give me a new idea...
Remember how with my 1st sheet You could fold-over the skills to see feats and damage tracking? Well, a landscape style sheet could be created using just 2-sheets of cardstock that still gives the surface area of the 3-sheet version. You'd simply slice one of the sheets in half and and attach them as fold-overs at the sides of the central sheet. That uses 1/3 less paper and takes up less table-space than either of the 3-panel formats. Plus a 5-6" flap is easier to fold-over than a whole sheet of cardstock so You wouldn't need to move Your dice and Other Stuff™ completely out of the way to see info on the fold-overs.
Whatcha think?
Now that does sound nifty. My wife's into scrap-booking as well as D&D--I'll see what sort of ideas she has there since she's always creating little foldy, pockety things.
Sheesh, make it hard to choose, ya'll :) All the sheets presented here have been awesome, though all have things I'd want to tweak around ...
On Necro's Sheet, I am leaning to using this one, though I adore the fill in capabilities of the others. I am totally in love with the second page of this sheet, with all the room for Gear, Magic, Worn, all the goodness to find where the stuff is :) But more lines for Perform rather than blanks at the bottom would be grand. Bards will love you, and those of us who still take a couple different perform skills will be dancing as well :)
On the fillable Excel Sheet, wow! I was able to add more Craft Lines and Perform Lines by judicious Copying and Pasting things downward, and I love the extra Perception Lines. But I am confused on a couple things on the sample sheet I was filling in as a test of usability. The Hit Points do an Autofill, but I'm not sure I understand how my level 4 Rogue with a Con of 16 got 15 hps :) Now it may be I haven't filled in enough (since I was also confused on the NA staying, but then it vanished when I started plopping my ranks down ::chuckle:: )
Salama's sheet, again, wow :) I am feeling "squished" in the armor section, as there is only one line option, and I'm hoping to gain more AC items for my sorceress, and there would be nowhere to put 'em. Possessions also seems a bit "squished" but I can't see where to add more space without losing something else.
On all three sheets, I noticed that there was nowhere to put down the Hit Die/Dice used by the Char :)
Choices, choices, and all good ones! Go Paizo community :)
Dang system ate my first post...
On the fillable Excel Sheet, wow! I was able to add more Craft Lines and Perform Lines by judicious Copying and Pasting things downward, and I love the extra Perception Lines. But I am confused on a couple things on the sample sheet I was filling in as a test of usability. The Hit Points do an Autofill, but I'm not sure I understand how my level 4 Rogue with a Con of 16 got 15 hps :) Now it may be I haven't filled in enough (since I was also confused on the NA staying, but then it vanished when I started plopping my ranks down ::chuckle:: )
Be sure you've filled out the green boxes on teh right-hand side of the front sheet. A lot of the auto-calc keys off of these, plus race and class. For class, note that you can type in anything you want, but if you use a standard class name (e.g. Wizard) the sheet will auto-calc your class skills.
On all three sheets, I noticed that there was nowhere to put down the Hit Die/Dice used by the Char :)
See above...
Choices, choices, and all good ones! Go Paizo community :)
Thanks! Feedback is always welcome.
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I'm using Necros's fantastic sheet with a few changes. Nothing major, just personal preferences.
The one thing I'd like to mention in addition to Mikeftrevino's mention about the Profession skill Int/Wis issue, is that you have a "Temporary Damage" box, shouldn't that be "Temporary Hit Points"? There also seems to be a missing space between HITPOINTS.
Okay, I know I haven't read the PFRPG cover to cover, and I probably missed this, but PERSONALITY Save?? Where did this come from? :) The question arises from the PFRPG_CS_v_B_0_1 char sheet. Thanks in advance for the help!
Salama, I think this is just about the coolest sheet I've seen yet! I loved the Alpha version as well. One thing though ...You may remember we talked about this before in the Alpha sheet thread: Can you make a 8.5x11 portrait oriented sheet? Most people I know prefer their sheets in a standard 8.5x11 format so you can put it in a notebook etc. The landscape orientaion is actually kind of awkward (for me anyway)and is pretty much a deal breaker, which is a shame because, like I said, your sheet is by far the best one I've seen!
Any chance you could do this?
Thanks so much - great work!
Thanks again, Marc! I've actually already started working on portrait sheet, but it's a lot of work 'cause the whole design has to be done from the start. But It's coming =)
Okay, I know I haven't read the PFRPG cover to cover, and I probably missed this, but PERSONALITY Save?? Where did this come from? :) The question arises from the PFRPG_CS_v_B_0_1 char sheet. Thanks in advance for the help!
That's one of my campaign items--I use a Personality save based on Charisma rather than a Will save for things like charm, fear effects, etc. Charisma as a dump stat in my campaigns is not a good idea... >:^)
There are other non-Pathfinder bits on there--action points and spell points come to mind--that I use in my campaigns. Once I get down to a non-test version of the sheet, I'll produce a pure Pathfinder version as well. I don't want to take that step yet as I'd then have to maintain two separate sheets each time I change something.
Salama's sheet, again, wow :) I am feeling "squished" in the armor section, as there is only one line option, and I'm hoping to gain more AC items for my sorceress, and there would be nowhere to put 'em. Possessions also seems a bit "squished" but I can't see where to add more space without losing something else.
Hi and thanks! Can you tell me what you wanted to include in armor section? I put only one armor and one shield section, 'cause you can't use more. Original WotC sheet has space for protective items such as ring of protection, but I can't see the need for it, because you can just write "ring of protection +1" in possessions... I might try to include more space if there is need though...
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Thanks again, Marc! I've actually already started working on portrait sheet, but it's a lot of work 'cause the whole design has to be done from the start. But It's coming =)
Fantastic!!! Now, to sound like an ungrateful sod ...
Is it done yet? Any chance it might be done by Thursday? I ask only because I have a game this weekend and I would LOVE to use these sheets!!!
Man, I sound like a winy spoiled little kid ... :)
Is it done yet? Any chance it might be done by Thursday? I ask only because I have a game this weekend and I would LOVE to use these sheets!!!Man, I sound like a winy spoiled little kid ... :)
Heh, I might get basic sheet done by thursday without spells and other... I'll see if I find the time!
I'm using Necros's fantastic sheet with a few changes. Nothing major, just personal preferences.
The one thing I'd like to mention in addition to Mikeftrevino's mention about the Profession skill Int/Wis issue, is that you have a "Temporary Damage" box, shouldn't that be "Temporary Hit Points"? There also seems to be a missing space between HITPOINTS.
Thanks for the replies. :)
Hi and thanks! Can you tell me what you wanted to include in armor section? I put only one armor and one shield section, 'cause you can't use more. Original WotC sheet has space for protective items such as ring of protection, but I can't see the need for it, because you can just write "ring of protection +1" in possessions... I might try to include more space if there is need though...
Hmmm ... was thinking of the various items that are the staple of wizzies/sorcerers, bracers, rings, cloaks, amulets, etc. But you are right, it can all go in the possessions section :) Only other reason would be some sort of piecemeal armor system, but I don't think those rules made it as far as 3.5, if they ever were semi-official in the first place.
Hmmm ... was thinking of the various items that are the staple of wizzies/sorcerers, bracers, rings, cloaks, amulets, etc. But you are right, it can all go in the possessions section :) Only other reason would be some sort of piecemeal armor system, but I don't think those rules made it as far as 3.5, if they ever were semi-official in the first place.
Check out my sheet as well as Salama's. I've been taking ideas from Sal's, and I expect others to take from mine.
In other news...
I've updated my character sheets again. Small updated. Download here:
Neceros' Sheet!
Thanks.
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Pathfinder rpg Beta sheet
I have only one request: a Beta Lite sheet (I love the layout, etc, and your Alpha 3 Lite sheet is my standard right now...)
Great work!