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OK guys here we are post your characters here and I'll review them. This is also the thread for moans and groans at the DM and each other.
Find a general map of the Wilderlands here
Find a players map of the area we will be playing in here password is Bledsaw (case specific)
Its now a 25 point buy as per the Pathfinder rules..sorry for any earlier confusion
We'll talk about combat protocols once everyone is here and ready
Um, is that map meant to be nothing but rivers & coastline? No settlements, mountains, forests, roads or anything?
Edit: Just found the Pathfinder point buy ... that's cool!
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Just remember that Pathfinder stats start at 10..so 25 points there is almost the same as having 35 points in 3.5
And yes Dabbler ..its the players map..the wilderlands is a place where you dont know much about anything very far from your own village.Much like the west country really..;-}
Once I've decided where to place you at the start I'll tell you more about the immediate surrounding terrain.
Hey Larcifer here, here is a glimpse of Avinar, please let me know if I have missed anything....
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Hello, Wellard.
So, I'm looking at the "Complete" base classes, and I have some questions about how to run them under the Pathfinder Alpha rules.
Let's take Duskblade (from the Players Handbook 2, pg 19) as an example.
- The Duskblade has d8 hit Dice, but a Fighter's BAB. Do the hit dice go up to d10's, does the BAB go down to the Cleric's, or do we keep everything the same?
- The class has Jump as a class skill. Does that translate to all of Acrobatics?
- Does the class get at-will 0th-level spells?
- Does any race (elves, for example) treat Duskblades as a favored class?
(There are similar issues with the Spirit Shaman. There are odder issues with the Spell Thief...) I'm not trying to be obdurate; I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from.
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Well to be honest Chris I haven't got PH2 so I can't really comment on the Duskblade(nor do I have Complete Champion or Complete Scoundrel)
As for the Spirit Shaman...well lets look at him
Hes got the cleric HP and BaB so that seems ok..two of the three perception skills so I'd be willing to let him have that as a class skill.
I'd have no problem with at will 0 lvl spells..but perhaps a concentration DC15 check to use them more than once might be more in order given the way he gains spells
The light armour limitation would balance him out anyway in my estimation
I'll take a look at the spell thief later.
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Well to be honest Chris I haven't got PH2 so I can't really comment on the Duskblade(nor do I have Complete Champion or Complete Scoundrel)
I found a handy on-line reference at www.crystalkeep.com/d20/rules/DnD3.5Index-Classes-Base.pdf.
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Thanks Chris...ok having looked at that I'd give him the cleric attacks...as he's an armoured mage it makes more sense and it still makes him reasonably proficient.
Then theres the JUmp as acrobatics...easily solved by giving him higher DCs to perform the non jumping moves in the new skill
Again the at will cantrips dont bother me to much...I've been following the debate on those and I think I can stop you getting to OTT with them...besides I love creative use of low level spells
Power wise I'd rank him with the bard he has slightly less magic but is a better fighter...so no problems there
please let me know if you have any more issues
Avinar is a swashbuckler, I took the liberty with the skills ie acrobatics, if u want to look him over to make sure he is representative of what you want. In addition, If u need me to do something because he is not a core class let me know. Also does the back story work for you, I did nto name geography because I am unfamiliar with the setting (which makes it interesting for me)!
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Avinar is a swashbuckler, I took the liberty with the skills ie acrobatics, if u want to look him over to make sure he is representative of what you want. In addition, If u need me to do something because he is not a core class let me know. Also does the back story work for you, I did nto name geography because I am unfamiliar with the setting (which makes it interesting for me)!
well at first glance he looks ok
I'm using the racial hit point adjustments from PF so Avinar starts with 14 HP
It's late guys I'm off to bed...
Chris thanks for pointing me to crystal castle a really useful resource
night have a good rest!
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Thanks Chris...ok having looked at that I'd give him the cleric attacks...as he's an armoured mage it makes more sense and it still makes him reasonably proficient.
Hmmm. No offense intended, Wellard, but that makes the character much less interesting to me. (The way I understand the class, the Duskblade isn't just an armored mage; he's a mage who casts spells through successful melee weapon attacks. Nerfing the attack bonus nerfs the core class shtick.)
Then theres the JUmp as acrobatics...easily solved by giving him higher DCs to perform the non jumping moves in the new skill
I'm not sure what you mean. If he were skilled in Acrobatics, and tried to tumble through threatened areas, would his DC be higher than everyone else's?
Power wise I'd rank him with the bard he has slightly less magic but is a better fighter...so no problems there
Actually, the Bard has better spells, the same hit dice and BAB, and 6+Int skill points. If the Duskblade could do something better than the Bard, that would make the class more attractive...
It's late guys I'm off to bed...Chris thanks for pointing me to crystal castle a really useful resource
See you tomorrow. And you're welcome; I just stumbled upon it today.
I would suggest leaving the Duskblade with his full BAB progression then - his spell list is very limited, so he'll need to fall back on fighting more often. It's not an unbalanced class in 3.5, so I don't see how it can go wrong given that Pathfinder boosts all the classes by at least a little.
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Points taken Chris...and on a second reading I find myself agreeing with Dabbler...so we'll try him with the fighter combat skills and full acrobatics...yhis is in many ways a playtest...though things might change somewhat when Pathfinder beta hits town in August.
As I said above the Spirit Shaman is pretty much ok as written..give him Perception as a class skill and a DC 15 concentration check to use any 0 level spell after his spells recovered limit. So a first level character would need to make checks after 3 orisons. Take it as his attempting to hold the attention of the spirits.
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Fellow players, especially Larcifer,
I'm mostly playing around with the idea of Duskblades. (But I could be convinced otherwise.)
The standard class backstory explains that being a Duskblade is a traditional elvish discipline, so I could go with an elf character (maybe using an elven court blade), or else a human with an elf hobby (and, for fun, a totally non-elvish weapon, like a maul).
Which sounds more interesting to you? Larcifer, I don't want to step on any schtick you have planned for your character. Could Avinar use a sibling / son / "civilized" rival?
Do you folks think it's important for a Duskblade to have a weapon that can be used at reach? Is spiked chain the only reach weapon that can be used with Weapon Finesse?
Hello all,
here's a sketch of Sasha the Sorcerer. I'll get back to equipment and stuff later. Hope this is acceptable.
One of my emerging ideas now is an elf character, so whether or not Avinar wants a sibling or friend, Chris, I am amenable if the party works out that way. If that doesn't work out, I may have something in mind to tie into Sasha's character if he is amenable.
So far we have (provisionally):
Swashbuckler (to multi into monk)
Sorcerer
Duskblade?
Bard?
Who's next?
I and Avinar have no issues with other elves. Play what you will find the most enjoyable...Avinar will be comfortable in his role, plus I am trying an experiment so please no concerns with me...
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Fellow players, especially Larcifer,
I'm mostly playing around with the idea of Duskblades. (But I could be convinced otherwise.)
The standard class backstory explains that being a Duskblade is a traditional elvish discipline, so I could go with an elf character (maybe using an elven court blade), or else a human with an elf hobby (and, for fun, a totally non-elvish weapon, like a maul).
Which sounds more interesting to you? Larcifer, I don't want to step on any schtick you have planned for your character. Could Avinar use a sibling / son / "civilized" rival?
Do you folks think it's important for a Duskblade to have a weapon that can be used at reach? Is spiked chain the only reach weapon that can be used with Weapon Finesse?
Crystal Castle lists the Dagger Whip Chris...Look it up on the equipment section I think it's a viable martial alternative to the exotic spiked chain (still low damage though)
Chris, there is an excelent weapon that can be used at range and allows your Dex-bonus to hit without burning a feat and does good damage ... a bow. Seriously, a reach weapon may give you attacks of opportunity but ultimately your foe is going to close with you. For finessable weapons you are limited to whip, dagger-whip and spiked chain, only the latter has decent damage and that requires a feat, the other two are good mainly for tripping, for which you need strength anyway.
Looking at the Duskblade's spells I think you are probably better off 'standing off' and using spells and missile weapons, and remember you have the hit points and attack bonus to get dirty in melee if you have to, unless you want to concentrate on being a melee fighter using spells at range.
Important to note is that in Pathfinder the armoured mage feats are available to any arcane casters, and if you plan ahead mithral full plate is technically medium armour ...
Rusty here.
I am still working on Tristan of Redbough, my human bard. Click on his profile to see the character stats.
Wellard I had a question:
I was thinking of possibly taking some levels of human paragon from the Unearthed Arcana book as we progress. Do you have that book and would that be okay?
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Chris, there is an excelent weapon that can be used at range and allows your Dex-bonus to hit without burning a feat and does good damage ... a bow. Seriously, a reach weapon may give you attacks of opportunity but ultimately your foe is going to close with you.
Yep, but the Duskblade's schtick is touch spells through melee attacks. Even the blade of blood spell at first level is useless with missile weapons. I'm sure that a Duskblade can work with a longbow, but I'm going to try to build this one as a front-line fighter.
Important to note is that in Pathfinder the armoured mage feats are available to any arcane casters, and if you plan ahead mithral full plate is technically medium armour ...
(Nod) And the Duskblade gets them as class features.
Fiddling around a little bit, I've decided the character's going to be a half-elf. Wellard, I'm not familiar with the Goodman Games campaign setting: what sort of base human stocks, are there? (That is to ask: are all humans caucasian?)
Yep, but the Duskblade's schtick is touch spells through melee attacks. Even the blade of blood spell at first level is useless with missile weapons. I'm sure that a Duskblade can work with a longbow, but I'm going to try to build this one as a front-line fighter.
My bad, then, I was working from memory.
So this gives us two solid fighters and two arcane casters (not including the Duskblade). I need to ask a few questions then:
Rusty, what focus are you giving Tristan's spells? Is he going to be taking, for example, cure light wounds at first level?
Black Tom, what kind of spells is Alexander going to focus on? Attack, defence, control or utility?
Captain Cuddles, are you out there? If so are you still with us and are you going to take a rogue as you suggested you might (as we seem to have enough fighters now) or are you going to go divine caster (the only other 'slot' we have vacant)?
I think I could make a divine caster/trap-springer work but it might be an uphill struggle at first ...
Gashelle, a female duskblade, is coming along.
I must have missed the directions: how much money do we start with?
(I'll be out of town --camping with the SCA-- from this afternoon till Sunday.)
Black Tom, what kind of spells is Alexander going to focus on? Attack, defence, control or utility?
I was thinking primarily enchantment and buff spells. I toyed with the idea of taking Charm Person, which I think would go well with his Bluff skill, but he's not that good with languages. Also he's got minor healing (for good characters) with Heavenly Fire, and gets Bless at level 3.
But I could always scrap Sasha and make a cleric. We might need one.
Please don't scrap your build, Tom! Assuming we are using the deities from the Pathfinder book I have an idea for a cleric or rogue or rogue/cleric or for a (druid or cleric)/wizard/mystic theurge, so don't sweat, I can cover our bases depending on what Captain Cuddles decides to do, all I would say is don't overlap too much with Rusty/Tristan's spells.
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Cash will be 75% of maximum possible...
If Captain Cuddles doesnt respond by 6pm GMT tomorrow I'll rule him out.Clive if you are still reading and still interested have a character ready to go if need one please.
I still think the Dagger Whip is the best alternative to Spiked Chain if you dont want to burn a feat
Tom..Keep Sasha please..at least until we are certain of what the party make up is. Remember that Dabbler has said he'll fill whatever class gap we have.
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Cash will be 75% of maximum possible...
And, y'know, I can't seem to find what the maximum possible for a Duskblade is. Does Pathfinder give any guidelines for starting money?
I'm afraid a Greatsword may be too pricey for the character...
I still think the Dagger Whip is the best alternative to Spiked Chain if you dont want to burn a feat.
I deicded to go with a half-elf STR-based character rather than an elf DEX-based one. (If for no other reason than the feats that effective use of a dagger whip would require (Finesse, Improved Trip, Weapon Focus, etc) would take several levels to acquire.
That's perfect Rusty!
I can design away now ... number Six can fit in as he or she wishes!
hey I have a question. If I go into Monk after 3 levels of Swashbuckler. then say after 11 levels of monk I want to go somewhere else (yes I know XP penalties) how does my flurry of blows ability progress?
Also I have to adjust Avinar, i took max gold, I will get rid of th echain shirt and get studded leather that will save 25 GP plus I will get rid of the gold I have extra...That should put me close. Sorry GM
Sounds good Wellard! I made the changes to my gear to be on par with everyone. Excited to start!
Dont start without me!!! Been a bit busy lately but still want to get on board. Will be playing a human rogue called Ray Domma-du-Domma-da. Will post stats and profile asap.
Wellard, please take a look atRays profile. Let me know if anything needs changing. What do we do about background info? Do we create it or are you supplying some 'nuggets'
Okay I finished up Tristan's stats, now I just need to get the backstory down on paper (err pixels). More fun for tomorrow! :P
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Wellard, please take a look atRays profile. Let me know if anything needs changing. What do we do about background info? Do we create it or are you supplying some 'nuggets'
Since we are using the Pathfinder Alpha rules, a bunch of the skills you have chosen have been consolidated together.
spot + listen = perception
hide + move silently = stealth
balance + tumble = acrobatics
plus I think they have changed the rogue's class features quite a bit as well.
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Ray write your own character info...you begin in the village of Lepas..which is in hex 1115 of the map I directed you to earlier in the thread.
Lepas is ahuman town of about 700 folk with small numbers of elves dwarves. halflings and gnomes also resident. Its major product is furniture..beds and tables made from Ebony wood from the local forests..it sells well, some of it going as far as the city of Tarsh( in hex 0206).
The town is ruled by a elven wizard who is currently fortifying his tower with a perimeter wall. As part of that effort he has put out a call for adventurers to patrol the local area up to 10 miles out from town...you are on a pitiful retainer of 5 gp a week plus board at the local inn but you do have full plunderrights from anything you might have to kill in pursuance of your duties
The wizard, an elf named Zuny Rygard has dispatched you to patrol the escarpment to the north of the village towards the dwarven citadel of Zarast (which lies in hex 1313)as he believes the dwarves have designs on his lands.
Now for the boring bit, map details...theres a river running from 1214 to 1014 where it joins a second watercourse which runs from 0913 thru 1013 to form the River of Grief..said river flows through 0915, 0916, loops through 1016 and 0917 then flows fairly straight to 0718
hexes 1117,1215 thru 1217 and 1315 thru 1317 are forest the source of the villages wood,
The rest of the terrain in the area within your patrol zone is fairly standard mixed temperate with farmland close to the village..assume the majority of hex 1115 is cleared land..fields and pasture with some small coppices for firewood etc.
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Now as to Rays character lets have a look
Strength 14
Dexterity 18
Constitution 14
Intelligence 14
Wisdom 12
Charisma 13
if we take it that the +2 human stat adjustment was applied to Dex then we have
Strength 14 costs 5
Dexterity 16 costs 10
Constitution 14 costs 5
Intelligence 14 costs 5
Wisdom 12 costs 2
Charisma 13 costs 3
which is a 35 point buy...ok I think I might have caused some confusion by saying a 25 point PF buy was 35 points equivilant in 3.5 if so apologies all round...
so ray needs to rework his stats sorry ray..you did download PF alpha didnt you
in addition to the skills rusty mentioned as being consolidated...forgery and decipher script are now together as lingustics.Now this is a biggie because every rank you have in it you get an extra language. Whats not clear is if the three bonus ranks for class skills applies as extra languages or not...I would say not it as makes the skill way to powerful
OK, Dabbler here with my super-duper, fall down and worship me please character ... well OK, she's decent enough I guess, just don't ask her to fight normally. On the other hand .... I have spells ...
Sorry it took a while, but I had just worked out my skills when Wellard told me that Pathfinder does them differently ... so instead of having a lot of minor skills and increasing them slowly, you will see me suddenly bloom with skills next level!
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Sorry Chris I missed your earlier question about human stocks.
Humans are the most common race in the Wilderlands.
Strictly speaking, the human race has no sub-races, only
cultural and ethnic divisions—of which most humans unfortunately
make far too much of a difference. Most humans in the
Wilderlands are a mix of a number of bloodlines, with the most
common being a mix of Altanian, Tharbrian and Ghinoran,
though some may have Skandik, Avalonian, Viridian or even
Amazonian blood.
Description: Skin color ranging from fair to pale olive to
reddish to any other slight tint; brown, blonde, black or red hair;
brown, green or blue eyes; 5 ft. 8 in.; 160 lbs; typically Neutral.
Racial Traits: as per PF for Human.
Language: Common.
If you want details on any of the specific human ethnic types then just ask.
Dabbler I think your girl has great potential and have no problem with the other elves being contacts or even relatives
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in addition to the skills rusty mentioned as being consolidated...forgery and decipher script are now together as lingustics.Now this is a biggie because every rank you have in it you get an extra language. Whats not clear is if the three bonus ranks for class skills applies as extra languages or not...I would say not it as makes the skill way to powerful
Wellard, the bonus for a class skill is a +3 bonus, not +3 bonus ranks so you would only get a bonus language for each actual rank you put in the skill.
I am glad you mentioned that linguistics gives you an extra language for each rank, now I have to pick another langage for Tristan...
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thanks rusty..it's been a -pretty steep learning curve for most of us I think this conversion...
Oh I am right there with ya. I made a pathfinder fighter and that was pretty straightforward. But it took me the better part of two days to get all the new bard stuff straight in my head.