Waves at the departing meat-eating legume
Enjoy. Perhaps WotC can get a "made in the USA" tee shirt for you!
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Can I get your stuff?
Oh wait wrong game...
Much like in the MMO world, I don't understand the points of posts like these. All they do is increase the likelihood that a fight breaks out. If you're really not interested, why not just quietly leave and go enjoy what you enjoy? Unless of course you're unsure of your decision and are just looking for validation.
Validation, trolling, the usual. I wouldn't have even responded if it hadn't been for the jingoistic little comment he ended with. Not that I am a big fan of China's business practices as a rule, but sweeping statements mean to imply that Pathfinder books are cranked out by 10-year-olds chained to printing presses while frowning PLA members watch over them with assault rifles is a little too much to let slide.
6. And this is the real kicker that finally pushed me over the edge -- 4th edition, it turns out, is being printed in the U.S., while Pathfinder is being printed in China. If given a choice, I will support a company which supports American families rather than the People's Liberation Army slave-labor sweatshop factories.Have fun with Pathfinder.
To be honest, this attitude is what is wrong with the united states of America, and why so many people think we are idiots. Check your shoes check your laptop, and I am pretty sure they are made somewhere else. I just wish this was a real reason instead of something you had to write to show of your ignorance. Then you would probably not be using a computer to annoy the rest of us.
...I don't understand the points of posts like these. All they do is increase the likelihood that a fight breaks out.
I think you understand perfectly, then.
While I would certainly prefer to purchase products solely made within the boundaries of the United States, there are certain issues with that.
1) As a country we have not historically produced much in the way of swords. Obviously then I must purchase them from elsewhere.
2) Would I prefer to see PF made in the US? Yes. Would I prefer to pay 39.95 for an issue of PF? No. I'll take my Pathfinder with Kung Pao chicken thank you.
3) Production quality in the US in many different fields is, sadly, sub-par or of average quality. When you look at it with the perspective of cost-benefit? Then you realize that you can get average work for far less than it would cost in the US in many other places and even get superb/high quality work for less than the mediocre costs in the US.
-Bear in mind I am not pontificating an unamerican view, its just the issues we have here in the US with all the various taxes and laws that interfere with the capitalist market. I completely understand why the checks, balances and laws were first implemented, unfortunately this current age of corruption and graft is choking the American market.
Perhaps being printed in America is what causes all those problems with the ink and paper in fourth edition. Here in China, we have no problems with printing, having, after all, invented ink, paper, binding, and associated technologies a thousand or so years before the first caucasian Americans were distributing smallpox and syphillis to the new world, and spelling "creature" as "critter".
Just a thought.
Oh. Chinese students work harder, and are more respectful, than the Mexican children who work picking fruit in California, and they are generally better at science and mathematics than the poor children in America that believe dinosaurs and humans co-existed, just before the ark.
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Perhaps being printed in America is what causes all those problems with the ink and paper in fourth edition. Here in China, we have no problems with printing, having, after all, invented ink, paper, binding, and associated technologies when the first caucasian Americans were distributing smallpox and syphillis to the new world, and spelling creature "critter".
Just a thought.
That's most unfair. They were British when they were spreading syphilis. I won't have America taking credit for EVERYTHING the British did. This isn't a Hollywood war movie, you know.
No. I'll take my Pathfinder with Kung Pao chicken thank you.
Classic.
[between the lines]I just don't get the concept of getting your jollies causing fights to break out [/between the lines]
Some of us don't. Some people crave attention, or want to bring the tone of these boards down, so they post provocative posts with less than a dozen comments on their avatar.
I try not to rise to the edition-war bait, but the whole 'evil slave empire' comment really got me. How uninformend, jingoistic and ridiculous does that make Americans sound to our world-wide posting audience.
Really, read a little about the globalization dynamic and you will see it's not only China reaping the benefits of the world's manufacturing base being moved to the Middle Kingdom. Plenty of fat cats sitting in US boardrooms making the descisions to relocate their production facilities overseas. Unless you want to posit that the PLA was holding guns to their heads too, hmm?
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6. And this is the real kicker that finally pushed me over the edge -- 4th edition, it turns out, is being printed in the U.S., while Pathfinder is being printed in China. If given a choice, I will support a company which supports American families rather than the People's Liberation Army slave-labor sweatshop factories.
Almost every day I see something on the internet that makes me think "Wow, this is the stupidest thing I've ever seen/read."
This takes the cake for today. Totally out of line.
Perhaps being printed in America is what causes all those problems with the ink and paper in fourth edition. Here in China, we have no problems with printing, having, after all, invented ink, paper, binding, and associated technologies when the first caucasian Americans were distributing smallpox and syphillis to the new world, and spelling creature "critter".
Just a thought.
That's most unfair. They were British when they were spreading syphilis. I won't have America taking credit for EVERYTHING the British did. This isn't a Hollywood war movie, you know.
Yeah, damn right! Give the credit back to us British! :) I won't have America taking credit for EVERYTHING the British did either! ;)
6. And this is the real kicker that finally pushed me over the edge -- 4th edition, it turns out, is being printed in the U.S., while Pathfinder is being printed in China. If given a choice, I will support a company which supports American families rather than the People's Liberation Army slave-labor sweatshop factories.
Almost every day I see something on the internet that makes me think "Wow, this is the stupidest thing I've ever seen/read."
This takes the cake for today. Totally out of line.
Is it a Chinese cake? ;)
Chief Creative Officer, Publisher
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Just as a casual observation, anyone who considers the presence of Vancian magic a dealbreaker is probably lost to us, and I'm ok with that.
Personally, I view the pulp fantasy roots of the game as a feature and not a flaw, and I'm glad that there is an edition of the game for people who don't, because that is not a version of the game I am very interested in publishing.
Is it a Chinese cake? ;)
Rice cake for Dragon Boat festival. Wrapped in vine leaves. Very good for man's health.
Is it a Chinese cake? ;)
Rice cake for Dragon Boat festival. Wrapped in vine leaves. Very good for man's health.
Damn, now I'm hungry.
Is it a Chinese cake? ;)
It could be!
I wonder what Chinese cake would taste like... :p
(I like how this community manages to turn a troll post into something humorous)
Well, that's what he/she/it will be missing! :)
To the OP --
Hope you arent going to buy Necromancer Games titles either. Originally one of their modules supposedly was headed to the printer in China (might have been Slumbering Tsar iirc).
We wouldnt want you to be unpatriotic or something. To each their own.
Im all for supportung american jobs too, but companies have different needs, some of which might be based on capital, etc. Then again, I dont know much about business.
Viva America, Viva the rest of the world too.
Is it a Chinese cake? ;)It could be!
I wonder what Chinese cake would taste like... :p
Depends on whether you like red bean mash or not. Suncake is delicious. There are some excellent fruit cakes. Cake is sometimes not sweet. Rice cake can be great. The moon cakes are awesome. Some of the cake is very overwhelmingly distressingly creamy. The decoration can take four of five hours for some cakes. There is a large difference between the Japanese style commercial cakes, which are ornamental, sickly, cream and decoration gooey weirdness, and the traditional cakes, which are more like slightly dry pastries. Nuts and beans feature prominently, in traditional chinese baking. Baking itself is not as prominent as steaming.
Notables:
Pineapple cake: square, used for weddings. Glazed
Almond cake: Almond flour, soft.
Moon cake: Slightly oily. Regional styles. Green bean or condensed egg yolk, or red bean. Cantonese style is bigger, and square. Usually pressed with a relief design.
Shark fin cake: Go figure.
Rice cake for Dragon Boat festival. Wrapped in vine leaves. Very good for man's health.
Is it a Chinese cake? ;)
I want the receipe DM!
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Just as a casual observation, anyone who considers the presence of Vancian magic a dealbreaker is probably lost to us, and I'm ok with that.
Personally, I view the pulp fantasy roots of the game as a feature and not a flaw, and I'm glad that there is an edition of the game for people who don't, because that is not a version of the game I am very interested in publishing.
Erik,
Would Paizo ever consider doing a D&D session fundraiser? Donate the proceeds to charity or something? Because it's little comments like these that make me want to play in a Paizo staff run game so bad I'd pay for it. After I start working in October of course.
Seriously, as someone who likes the 3.x system and those that came before it, thank you for continuing to support my system of choice.
FP
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Depends on whether you like red bean mash or not. Suncake is delicious. There are some excellent fruit cakes. Cake is sometimes not sweet. Rice cake can be great. The moon cakes are awesome. Some of the cake is very overwhelmingly distressingly creamy. The decoration can take four of five hours for some cakes. There is a large difference between the Japanese style commercial cakes, which are ornamental, sickly, cream and decoration gooey weirdness, and the traditional cakes, which are more like slightly dry pastries. Nuts and beans feature prominently, in traditional chinese baking. Baking itself is not as prominent as steaming.
Notables:
Pineapple cake: square, used for weddings. Glazed
Almond cake: Almond flour, soft.
Moon cake: Slightly oily. Regional styles. Green bean or condensed egg yolk, or red bean. Cantonese style is bigger, and square. Usually pressed with a relief design.
Shark fin cake: Go figure.
Ooooooh! Sounds tasty! I'd probably get a kick out of the moon cake more than anything, though the almond cake looks like it'd be pretty good too.
There are several legends surrounding the origin of the dragon boat festival, which is also called the "Festival of the Double Fifth." Traditionally, the fifth lunar month is supposed to be fraught with danger, as the forces of ying and yang are out of balance. One theory is that dragon boat racing began as a way of paying homage to the God of Water so that the farmers would have good crops. During that month, people would also hang calamus and moxa on their front doors in an attempt to ward off evil spirits.
But bad as the fifth month was, the fifth day of that month was especially inauspicious. It was said that a child born on that day would be extremely difficult to raise, bringing his parents much grief. Another legend surrounding the origin of the dragon boat festival concerns a man who had the misfortune to be born on this unlucky day. Tian Wen survived murder attempts and banishment by his father to eventually to become the Prime Minister of a Chinese state. Determined that no other child should suffer similar mistreatment, he ordered that the fifth day of the fifth month be considered a regular day, as propitious as any other. Another theory, put forth by Professor Wen Yiduo, is that celebrations were held on this day as a sacrifice to the ancient dragon, in honor of the beast's birthday.
But the most popular story revolves around the life and death of one of China's most famous citizens. Qu Yuan was both a statesman and China's first known poet. During his lifetime, he served as Minister of Law and Ordinance for his home state of Chu in southern China. Unfortunately, Qu Yuan lived during the Warring States period (481 - 221 B.C.), when larger, more powerful states were trying to consolidate their power. One of these states, Qin in the north, was determined to control the state of Chu. Qin leaders gave the King of Chu a peace treaty to sign, which they had no intention of honoring. Suspicious of their motives, Qu Yuan advised the king not to sign the treaty. Unfortunately, the king was threatened by Qu Yuan's stature, believing the poet was trying to gain greater political power in the government. Not only did he sign the treaty, but he banished Qu Yuan to a remote region in Hunan province. Eventually, Chu was defeated by the stronger Qin state.
It is thought that the news of Chu's defeat destroyed Qu Yuan's will to live. As a result, on the fifth day of the fifth lunar month in 278 B.C., he committed suicide by grasping a large rock and throwing himself into the Miluo River.
Local fisherman raced to their boats to recover his body, beating drums and splashing their paddles on the water to scare away the fish. But it was all to no avail. In one version of the legend, they began throwing rice on the water as a sacrifice to their dead hero, and to nourish his spirit. One night, the image of Qu Yuan appeared to one of the fisherman in a dream. In the dream, the poet revealed that the fish were eating the rice. He asked that the rice be wrapped in silk to protect it. Later, the silk was replaced with bamboo leaves.
In another version, the rice packets were meant for the fish, in an effort to keep them from devouring Qu Yuan's body. But whichever version you choose to believe, the death of Qu Yuan gave rise to both the dragon boat races and celebrating the day with zongzi - delicious dumplings made with glutinous rice that are stuffed in bamboo leaves.
"Many a heavy sigh I heaved in my despair, Grieving that I was born in such an unlucky time...I yoked a team of jade dragons to a phoenix-figured car, And waited for the wind to come, to soar up on my journey."(Qu Yuan, ancient Chinese poet)
INGREDIENTS:
50 sheets of bamboo or reed leaves
Glutinous rice (1 kilogram)
Chinese dates (250 grams)
PREPARATION:
1.Soak the rice and the dates 12 hours or more till they are soaked thoroughly.
2.Wash the leaves.
3.A chopping board is necessary for laying out the leaves.
4.Fold the leaves flat at the leafstalk to make a sheet.
5.Hold the sheet, fold it round in the middle and make a funnel till both ends are laid over each other in one direction.
6.About 1/10 kg. of rice and 6 dates used for each dumpling. The dates must be covered by rice so that they won't lose too much syrup in cooking.
7.Fold the leaves up to seal the open side of the funnel and tie the bundle with a band made of twisted leaves. Make sure that the bundle is tied neither too tight nor too loose so that the ingredients are well cooked.
8.Put the dumplings in a pot with water over and make sure they are pressed and kept still while being boiled.
9.Cooking time: 40 minutes in a pressure cooker; 2 hours in an ordinary pot.
Wow. We started off with a snide post and now we have recipes and legends! Hey! Perhaps Paizo ought to dump D&D and start Recipes and Legends! Just a thought. :)
May Jupiter Optimus Maximus shower you with good fortune and virility for sending the receipe!
I've never had Chinese Cake....I do absolutely love Taiyaki (japanese, but probably has a chinese equivalent) and Green Tea Ice Cream though.
I am so adding that festival somewhere in my game. It's perfect for an adventure: unpropitius day, murder in the lake, ghosts of dead poets, political intrigue, lots of cake ...HMMM
Runs off to his monkey nest to plot and ponder
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I am so adding that festival somewhere in my game. It's perfect for an adventure: unpropitius day, murder in the lake, ghosts of dead poets, political intrigue, lots of cake ...HMMM
Runs off to his monkey nest to plot and ponder
That thought ran through my mind as well. It'll probably be getting used in one of my coming sessions.
Just as a casual observation, anyone who considers the presence of Vancian magic a dealbreaker is probably lost to us, and I'm ok with that.
No need to be extreme on either side.
People who don't like Vancian magic (i happen to be one of them) can perfectly use an alternative Spell Points system as a houserule.That's easy to adapt to any setting or system, including Pathfinder.
And thus DoppleGangster must give respect to Carnivorous_Bean...
And yet another troll comes lurking out of the nearby bridge ...
Anyway, yeah a game based on an evil-omened day with big milling crowds, boats, murder and lots of cake sounds like the sidequest from Hades. Any more good legends you wanna share Tal?
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I really hope you enjoy 4e, but keep in mind that by leveling all the classes they have made them all the same, take a look at what mages can do, what fighters do, basically it's all the same.
One of the most rewarding experiences in D&D I had was playing with a monk. Everyone knows that monks are underbalanced (and even considered a support class), but all the trips, the grapples and pins that I made and helped the fighter along with the paladin crush the enemies made me laugh and enjoy the teamwork I that was made by the party.
I intend to play 4e, and maybe even buy the books, but it just doesnt feel as D&D to me anymore, for what I've read, it looks a lot of fun to play it, but for hack'n slash, I can play NwN or Age of Conan without all the prep time needed to run a tabletop rpg adventure.
No you are absolutely right Dopple...I overreacted. You are perfectly within your rights to think whatever you like, and I was seriously remiss in labeling you troll. I apologize, I was posting in an angry manner, and I really should just depart from this thread.
Disappears in a puff of Vancian magic
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Personally, I view the pulp fantasy roots of the game as a feature and not a flaw, and I'm glad that there is an edition of the game for people who don't, because that is not a version of the game I am very interested in publishing.
I'm so very happy that your interested in publishing a game that supports the "features" of a genre I love. I thank Jack for inspiring Gary and I thank you for keeping that inspiration alive. From Blue book through 3.5, it has been a long and ofttimes bumpy ride, thank you for adding a new leg to the journey. I want pulp, I want a vast, epic & heroic sagas. I'm happy there is a system for those you want a boardgame/rpg, but I'm even happier that there will still be a system for my friends and me.
Just a sidenote to the underinformed OP ... I think in this day and age just being American supports China considering we have borrowed anywhere from 600 billion to 1 trillion bucks from China in the last 8 years ... approxiamtely 28% of our national income.
So if you're gonna be jingoist, be fully informed jingoist.
Oh, and keep waving that flag as you fund the oil cartels in not America drivin some overcompensation mobile.
.... I'm sorry. That was a bit out of line. My apologies.
I really hope you enjoy 4e, but keep in mind that by leveling all the classes they have made them all the same, take a look at what mages can do, what fighters do, basically it's all the same.
One of the most rewarding experiences in D&D I had was playing with a monk. Everyone knows that monks are underbalanced (and even considered a support class), but all the trips, the grapples and pins that I made and helped the fighter along with the paladin crush the enemies made me laugh and enjoy the teamwork I that was made by the party.
I intend to play 4e, and maybe even buy the books, but it just doesnt feel as D&D to me anymore, for what I've read, it looks a lot of fun to play it, but for hack'n slash, I can play NwN or Age of Conan without all the prep time needed to run a tabletop rpg adventure.
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I confess, I still get confused at the assumption that 4e must be hack and slash. Both 1e and 2e also focused on combat rules and allowed the DM to do free form roll-playing (IF THEY WANTED TO). It's not D&D because it's all hack and slash, that's what I hear. But Goodman Games and Necromancer both had popular lines based on "Classic" D&D... and what were they? dungeon crawls with heavy combat focus. That IS classic D&D, so in many ways 4e returns to D&D's roots. Yes, they change a lot of the mechanics, but they also allow a DM to "wing it" like we used to be able to. Yes, they even out the classes... but that evening out makes the sort of "teamwork" you reference almost a requirement.
Role playing will be a part of 4e if the DM wants it to be. Whether WotC will release adventures that make that clear has yet to be seen, but I see as much role play potential in 4e as there was in 2e. Which was also, as I recall, missing both the monk and the druid at start. EDIT - I've checked and druid was in there at start, just drastically nerfed and fundamentally changed from 1e... but half-orcs were noticably absent.
I just don't understand this stupid conflict between supporters of the two systems. They both have merits.
- Ashavan
PS - views of the poster are his own and not intended to diminish or invalidate anyone else's experiences.
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Role playing will be a part of 4e if the DM wants it to be. Whether WotC will release adventures that make that clear has yet to be seen, but I see as much role play potential in 4e as there was in 2e. Which was also, as I recall, missing both the monk and the druid at start.
You recall incorrectly. The druid was still around in 2e. The Monk and Assassin (with the ridiculous % to kill anyone ability) were removed at the start of 2e (along with the poor half-orc. What is it with even numbered editions hating on the monk and haf-orc?)
I confess, I still get confused at the assumption that 4e must be hack and slash. Both 1e and 2e also focused on combat rules and allowed the DM to do free form roll-playing (IF THEY WANTED TO). It's not D&D because it's all hack and slash, that's what I hear...
I don't dislike 4e because of that, in fact I *like* it because of that, and I *am* playing it (as well as Pathfinder). I don't like a number of things about 4e, but it has enough to keep me playing for now. I really hope the new books expand on it, as the PH1 was woefully incomplete.
You recall incorrectly. The druid was still around in 2e. The Monk and Assassin (with the ridiculous % to kill anyone ability) were removed at the start of 2e (along with the poor half-orc. What is it with even numbered editions hating on the monk and haf-orc?)
Role playing will be a part of 4e if the DM wants it to be. Whether WotC will release adventures that make that clear has yet to be seen, but I see as much role play potential in 4e as there was in 2e. Which was also, as I recall, missing both the monk and the druid at start.
I had actually gone to double check after posting, knowing if I was wrong someone would point it out and was editing my post to reflect that as you entered yours.
But note, you're proving my point... there was stuff missing then too - monk, assassin, half-orc - but we didn't have this ridiculous edition war at the time. There was also stuff drastically changed, notably the druid and illusionist.
- Ashavan