Acording to Jasons Blog
Boy, this thing is going to be a monster. I spent all day today at work (about 10 1/2 hours) reworking the entire feats chapter, adding in all of the missing feats, reworking that damnable chart, and monkeying with some existing choices... (good bye Combat feats, you were an interesting experiment that turned out not to be worth the headache)
I for one am glad that they are gone my group didnt like them from day one.
What do you guys think?
There are a few feats that might be too good as regular feats (like Mobility or Backswing).
There's at least one feat that might be too good even if it's a combat feat (Devastating Blow).
There's at least one feat that's pretty useless as a combat feat (Arcane Strike).
I think the majority are roughly as useful whether they're combat feats or not.
I think just making them general feats is fine. Adding some of them to the fighter list would be a good idea too.
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Acording to Jasons Blog
Boy, this thing is going to be a monster. I spent all day today at work (about 10 1/2 hours) reworking the entire feats chapter, adding in all of the missing feats, reworking that damnable chart, and monkeying with some existing choices... (good bye Combat feats, you were an interesting experiment that turned out not to be worth the headache)
I for one am glad that they are gone my group didnt like them from day one.
What do you guys think?
Can you point me to this. I'd like to read his comments. I hope there's more than this.
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This open playtest is sometimes like becoming addicted to a new caffeine source - and then it gets canceled. I don't think even 3 alphas was enough time to fully explore this rule. Oh well...
Having used it alot..about 8 or 9 playtest now have to say it was easy to use and worked well for thous feats that were stronger them most.
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I'm glad to see they're gone. I honestly wasn't expecting a change as big as that between the Alpha 3 and the Beta. Consider me pleasantly surprised.
I was afraid that what made it into the Beta was something we would be 'stuck with' since it won't be hard to tweak based on feedback but an entire re-write would require more playtesting, and that would be hard by the time you have the Beta released.
Director of Games
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Hey there all,
Busy working on the Beta, so I will be brief. The combat feats were, for the most part, converted to ordinary feats. Note that I kept the Combat Feat type, I just changed its meaning to that of a Fighter Bonus Feat (makes em easier to find).
A couple got deleted, a number of them got significantly altered....
Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing
I'm happy.
Hey there all,
Busy working on the Beta, so I will be brief. The combat feats were, for the most part, converted to ordinary feats. Note that I kept the Combat Feat type, I just changed its meaning to that of a Fighter Bonus Feat (makes em easier to find).
A couple got deleted, a number of them got significantly altered....
Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing
Thanks for the heads up Jason i just hope vital strike made it with out being altered (that was my favorite Combat feat for monsters that is)
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Personally I'm not sure how I feel about this - there were a number of them I think were quite useless (Dodge for instance, Deft Shield and those of its tree, and Combat Expertise got way too nerfed) but there were also a number of them that i really liked such as Devasting Blow and Vicious Strike - and for the most part, I liked the concept of them.
The other thing that bums me is that originally it seemed as if we had such a new product with new life and a new way of doing things when Alpha 1 was released - (skills, feats etc), that seemed to provide a new game and a complete facelift that it desperately needed; however, since then it seems more and more is converting back to 3.5 generic and losing it new and unique feeling.
Other than class features then, what are we really changing? Meh, ignore that question - it was mostly just rhetorical cynicism.
Robert
I am wholly on board with the loss of the combat feat mechanic. I like the new feats being fighter bonus feats too. Good call, Jason
-Jack
Wow, I just got here and I get the feeling that things are happening really fast, like, you blink and it's gone (or changed).
I am glad the combat feats stayed under the name, albeit in a modified form. I think it is really cool to distinguish them from General Feats, if only to make Fighter bonus feats easier to pick out.
To echo what some people have said here and in the other thread for this topic, there is always Monte's mighty feats for those of us who occasionally like to über-power our fighters, heheheh...
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Hey there all,
Busy working on the Beta, so I will be brief. The combat feats were, for the most part, converted to ordinary feats. Note that I kept the Combat Feat type, I just changed its meaning to that of a Fighter Bonus Feat (makes em easier to find).
A couple got deleted, a number of them got significantly altered....
Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing
Excellent!
This could be done with the Fighter Weapon Groups, provide 2-3 feats for each group of weapons that only fighters can get above and beyond what other characters can.
Nifty idea that seemed to fit in here.
Alos, great move on losing combat feats.
Hey there all,
Busy working on the Beta, so I will be brief. The combat feats were, for the most part, converted to ordinary feats. Note that I kept the Combat Feat type, I just changed its meaning to that of a Fighter Bonus Feat (makes em easier to find).
A couple got deleted, a number of them got significantly altered....
Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing
OK, best of luck to you. Thank you, your doing a great job!
True, but a Wizard or Sorcerer has to give up quite a bit to Maximize Empower a spell.Maybe, but even without that kinda thing it's still hard for fighters to compete. We all know wizards pwn at high level. (I'm looking at you horrid wilting)
Combat Feats were the only thing keeping me from going all-in with the PFRPG. Now I don't need to cancel my pre-orders.I'm so with you Andrew
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I never liked how only one could be active at a time.
It makes them pretty much useless to me.
I mean it basically means that a wizard can't quicken cast, normal cast, and ignore 20% of spell failure in the same round.
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As long as dodge doesn't become all but useless again, and they keep in the melee damage increasing feats, I guess I'm okay with that...
I've simply house ruled long ago that Dodge feat provided just a flat +1 dodge AC (when not denied DEX mod of course). It certainly simplified it instead of worrying about who or what it was applied to that round.
Also since my games tend to fight a lot of combats against several foes (more in line with what 4th edition is doing it seems) instead of just one big bad guy - so dodge would have been even less effective in most of my combats considering the number of foes they're usually facing.
Robert
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Hey there all,
Busy working on the Beta, so I will be brief. The combat feats were, for the most part, converted to ordinary feats. Note that I kept the Combat Feat type, I just changed its meaning to that of a Fighter Bonus Feat (makes em easier to find).
A couple got deleted, a number of them got significantly altered....
Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing
Any chance there will be a pre-beta update to the feats, then, so we can actually move that direction with our games? I feel kinda silly continuing on with using a list of feats that may or may not exist in a few months in a way that will be different. Not to mention it was one of the main things the folks in my group found odd. We were willing to try it, but since we just fully converted over last week we haven't really given it a shot (especially since not long after A3 came out you said that Combat Feats were gone from the beta).
Maybe even just a list of the feats deleted and feats changed, and a clarification of how they work (if you say they are just like General feats that are also on the Fighter Bonus list, that's easy enough).
Thanks!