Where did you leave him?I have no idea, we discard former companions like its going out of style in this game.
When they made the jump to Asgard, Gittik and Oso ended up somewhere that was never actually determined.
heh heh.....transporter accident.....maybe the Klingon homeworld....
Thanks Mothman, AinvarG and Patrick :D
When they made the jump to Asgard, Gittik and Oso ended up somewhere that was never actually determined.heh heh.....transporter accident.....maybe the Klingon homeworld....
It's little snippets like this that make me keen to play with all y'all...
heh heh.
I've always wanted to do medieval/dark ages Klingon.
Huh. I always wanted to grab that game;.....never thought I'd get any use out of it.
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It was a fairly good system – a lot of it was sort of streamlined to become the basics for D&D 3rd edition. Then a lot of the Alternity stuff was re-introduced into d20 Modern and Future when they did those.
I GM’d a campaign of Alternity using the Dark Matter campaign setting (sort of an X Files clone), I think I only ran about two sessions of a more future sci fi game. I have a whole bunch of the Star Drive setting books, I think its a really good space opera setting. I’ve contemplated a time or two running a game set there, either using Alternity or d20 Modern/Future, but like 95% of my planned games I’ve never gotten off the ground with it.
It seems like one of those games that's really cool, and really hard to find peeps with the rules to play.
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Yeah ... I don't know anyone, either in my RL groups or amongst those I usually pbp with on the boards.
That's why I figure I'd probably run it using d20, at least you can get that as an SRD.
But then ... I'd have to convert a lot of the Star Drive stuff to d20 (not that much i guess, quite a bit of it is in the srd already), then I'd probably want to Pathfinderize d20 Modern ... too much to do, not enough time.
I know, right? Sheeeesh!
I ran a Star Wars d6 a long time ago.
Light speed craft and a galaxy is a kinda daunting thing to sit game master over.
I gotta check them out again; I see them now and again at half price books.
Hi Mothman - inbound email for you.
heh heh.
I've always wanted to do medieval/dark ages Klingon.
Since their writeup in the old Dragon mag (issue 50??) I've always wanted to do medieval Kzinti.
+1 Congrats Will!
Moth- to answer an entire page ago, the 'Dervish/magus' build is a feat chain.
Dervish Dance Feat , (prereq Weapon finesse & 1 pt in Perform:Dance) allows you to use a scimitar as if it were finessable, AND adds your dex to the DMG as well as the to-hit.
Medieval Kzinti?, Medieval Klingon?
Hmm,... I need to go back and look at my old Dragon issues. :)
Y'know, Ragadolf, I'd seen that feat somewhere and then could not find it again (partially because the name was escaping me. So thanks!
Now, I'm wondering about my Dervish build. I'd still like to use the Elven Curved Blade, but being able to go all-Dex (attack and damage) makes the scimitar suddenly a lot more attractive.
Hey, DM, could a person take Dervish Dance and apply it to an already-finesseable weapon. Like, say, an elven curved blade?
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What? Too obvious?
(I'm only kidding, btw.)
Seems like a pretty easy thing for a homebrew rule - thematicaly appropriate and not particularly broken. Write up the modded 'Dervish Dance' feat, why not?
Actually, it could almost be argued at being more likely since there are two hands controlling the blade in this case. OK, here's the original feat, per PFSRD
Prerequisites: Dexterity 13, Weapon Finesse, Perform (dance) 2 ranks, proficient with scimitar.
Benefit: When wielding a scimitar with one hand, you can use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on melee attack and damage rolls. You treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a duelist’s precise strike ability). The scimitar must be for a creature of your size. You cannot use this feat if you are carrying a weapon or shield in your off hand.
Here's my first stab at a homebrewed version, going for the simplest possible translation to the new blade:
Prerequisites: Dexterity 13, Weapon Finesse, Perform (dance) 2 ranks, proficient with elven curved blade.
Benefit: When wielding an elven curved blade in both hands, you can use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on melee attack and damage rolls. You treat the elven curved blade as a one-handed piercing weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a duelist’s precise strike ability). The elven curved blade must be for a creature of your size.
1) Should it still qualify for the duelist ability?
2) Should damage be Dexterity instead of Strength or Dexterity in addition to Strength?
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Personally, I really don't like the idea of a 2-handed weapon being finesseable in the first place. Would it get DEX x 1,5 damage bonus???
RE the relatively similar character concepts - why don't you have the two be relatives, or maybe trained by the same master?
EDIT: Heh. PixieRogue posted 5 seconds before me. If I were the DM, I'd disallow it, mostly for flavour reasons. Who are the (relatively) real precedents for 2-handed dervishing?
I have a mental image of a character wielding a sword with two hands spinning and attacking and parrying, but I don't know where the image originates. In a lot of ways, that's my concept for the dervish, relying on their movement and speed more than their sword technique and strength.
I don't know that this feat should provide 1.5xDEX Mod to the damage bonus, but I can see it providing Dex Mod and Str Mod - or DEX Mod plus half of STR Mod (there's your one-and-a-half). The strength of the character should not be irrelevant, but their speed only allows them to put the blade where it hurts, not put it there any harder.
Based on flavor, I see no reason to disallow it because the flavor is exactly what I envision. But that has nothing to do with whether the proposed feat is legit.
I'd look to traditional oriental forms like kendo as examples of two-handed sword fighting that rely more on dexterity than strength. Certainly they have a different feel to me than a barbarian with a claymore or a dwarf with a battleaxe.
I also have a vague image of some russian folk dance that involves two-handed swords, but I could be making that up.
Thinking further, though, this whole discussion is not a great line for the magus to go down. Magi rely on having one hand free to cast spells - their iconic ability is basically two weapon fighting with a touch spell in the off-hand. So you'd end up using the curved blade one handed a lot of the time, and taking penalties.
I'm not looking at a magus for this discussion. I'm looking at the Dervish Dancer bard archetype. The katana is definitely the way I would be going if I proceed with the kensai.
Gah. Keep up, Will!
FWIW my character muse is now demanding that I create a ki mystic monk with a temple sword...
I was going to point out what Will said, but he beat me too it, AND I also did not realize we were talking about a Bard archetype. :)
I will be particularly impressed if we end up with a bard and a monk and no magi at all.
heh heh....
Since their writeup in the old Dragon mag (issue 50??) I've always wanted to do medieval Kzinti.heh heh.
I've always wanted to do medieval/dark ages Klingon.
I want that.
gotta look up dervish dance stuff's.
indian rajput
kinda reminds me of the dervish dancer...
I'm thinking.....finessing a two handed weapon might mess up something; haven't really done any hard research though, but leaning against it.
I will be particularly impressed if we end up with a bard and a monk and no magi at all.
It's a good place for a monk.
"Wa" is a lot like Japan during the Tokugawa shogunate;
when Musashi was boppin around.
Working on nailing the details down more.
I have chained my character muse to a chair in the basement. Behind the gag it continues to mutter something muffled about ... a chinese themed dragon disciple ...
Shut up, muse. I'm busy!
(but won't be after 11am Saturday morning my time, so expect a daring escape from the basement after that)
It's all good. I get that you're kinda busy ATM,......
My wife's uncle is going to pass away soon, so I might kinda have to disappear some time in the next week or three and take care of some stuff and maybe go to a funeral; don't know though, due to the possibility of winter weather and being hesitant to do hundreds of miles that might be icy conditions with a bunch of kids in the car.
I'm also doing a whole lot of call the next couple weeks, so I expect to possibly be gone myself somewhat.
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I'm thinking.....finessing a two handed weapon might mess up something; haven't really done any hard research though, but leaning against it.
Well the elven curve blade is a two handed weapon that IS finessible by RAW. I think the question is, whether it is reasonable to modify the Dervish Dance feat to apply to this weapon rather than the scimitar (would let you apply dex rather than str to damage rolls and allow the weapon to count as a one handed piercing weapon for purpose of abilities that rely on such a weapon.
Thanks heathy - I'm not deliberately messing you around, just like the feeling of freedom that comes before settling on a concept. Sorry to hear about your wife's uncle - I hope you and your wife are OK.
Yeah, I hope the family's handling everything well. Take care.
Don't worry about the feat, I'm good without it. I need to crunch some numbers, but right now I'm trying to decide between two-handed power attacking with the elven curved blade vs one-handed dervish dancing with the scimitar and the relative benefits of the two feats.
Fun!
PS Rholf is buried at work atm, but he has indicated that might be interested in tossing a character into the ring. No idea what, but we did discuss something divine.
Just lost my wife's grandmother, best wishes to your family Heathy.
Thanks guys;.....like I said, I might be kinda busy in the next few days.....I'll keep ya posted.
Thanks heathy - I'm not deliberately messing you around, just like the feeling of freedom that comes before settling on a concept. Sorry to hear about your wife's uncle - I hope you and your wife are OK.
No problem dude! and break a leg in Superstar!!!
Yeah, I hope the family's handling everything well. Take care.
Don't worry about the feat, I'm good without it. I need to crunch some numbers, but right now I'm trying to decide between two-handed power attacking with the elven curved blade vs one-handed dervish dancing with the scimitar and the relative benefits of the two feats.
Fun!
PS Rholf is buried at work atm, but he has indicated that might be interested in tossing a character into the ring. No idea what, but we did discuss something divine.
Right on; like I said, the more the merrier!!!!!
What are your thoughts about Power Attack and Weapon Finesse? Can you power attack with a finesse weapon? Can you use finesse to strike and power attack to enhance the damage? Is it a one or the other choice?
It seems like 3.x had a rule about how they interact, but I don't think that made it into Pathfinder.
It seems like it might be counterintuitive, but I don't see where the two feats counteract eachother in the verbiage. I'm thinking it's never done maybe because there's a different feat chain for the finesse fighter(?) since most finesse stuff isn't going to do a lot of damage per hit anyway's;.....if you power attacked with a rapier, you're just getting up to a.....greatsword's damage with the power attack bonus maybe?
Nonetheless, I can't see where in the verbiage the two feats counteract eachother, or specifically say they can't be used together. And it's not as ludicrous as "a 12th level gunslinger with a colossal sized hand gun that can pwn an ancient red dragon with one or two shots," so I can't see through to banning it due to common sense.
I say it works.
edit: do you know where the 3.x rule is by chance?....
Maybe this is what I was thinking of - "You can't add the bonus from Power Attack to the damage dealt with a light weapon (except with unarmed strikes and natural attacks), even though the penalty on attack rolls still applies."
Most finesse weapons are light, so I may have muddied the rule in my memory. This is from the Power Attack feat entry in the 3.5 PHB.
right on. I think you should be able to power attack with light weapons, so that's that.
right on. I think you should be able to power attack with light weapons, so that's that.
Cool! Of course, I just realized something, having basically decided to pursue the scimitar... she isn't proficient with the elven curved blade, anyway - as a bard, she gets simple weapons and some bonus choices, but for her, the ECB is a martial weapon. Maybe some other character some other time.
So I have one scimitar-wielding elven dervish dancer, nearly complete, basically lacking gear.