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I understand that many people are upset about 4E relegating the gnome to the Monster Manual.
I also understand that some people love to play them.
I am not interested in a debate about gnomes - I just want to know this ...
How many of you have a Gnome PC among you top played characters?
My current Living Greyhawk line up:
1. Dwarf - Holy Liberator 16
2. Halfling - Order of the Bow Initiate 14
3. High Elf - Champion of Corellon Larethian 13
4. Human - Cleric of Pelor 10
5. Wood Elf - Ranger 6
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I was, but the dudes I was playing with moved. This one guy hated gnomes, so I was gonna make up a gnome rogue based off of Joe Pesci in Casino (these guys based all their characters off of movie characters)
just for fun and entertainment.
My mom got me 4 garden gnomes for Christmas one year, so I set them up on the table. He was all, "I'm the dungeonmaster, and that upsets me..." Crybaby.
My current campaign has a gnome beguiler in it.
I was, but the dudes I was playing with moved. This one guy hated gnomes, so I was gonna make up a gnome rogue based off of Joe Pesci in Casino (these guys based all their characters off of movie characters)
just for fun and entertainment.My mom got me 4 garden gnomes for Christmas one year, so I set them up on the table. He was all, "I'm the dungeonmaster, and that upsets me..." Crybaby.
Pesci's character from Good Fellas would be fun, too. Violent, with lots of swearing and plenty of good quotes.
My last campaign had a Gnome Paladin. My current Pathfinder campaign has only Humans and Dwarves, but one player has a Gnome Bard ready to go if his current character dies.
I played a Gnome Illusionist back in 3.0
I ran him though the original adventutre path (Sunless Citidel through Bastion of Broken Souls).
When 3.5 came out a freind of mine made a Gnome Bard who was in a home brew campaign. He went to level 11.
My other buddy created a Gnome Warmage in yet another game but that campaign died at 3rd level.
So yeah I've seen plenty of gnomes. They seem to pop up frequenly from what Ive seen personally.
Gnomes aren't popular in my campaign, but that doesn't mean I want to see them delegated as just another monster. For me, it's more than just about a character class for the players to play, it is also about viable NPC races.
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I've had one campaign that had a player with a gnome character in it. That's out of quite a few years of gaming too.
I will admit though, that character was ok.
For a gnome.
You'll LOVE this one.
Buddy of mine had a "gnome" fighter. He was actually a dwarf that had been adopted by gnomes. He was short for a dwarf and shaved his beard into a tight goatee, sang gnomish songs, told awful jokes, and married a gnome. He would say that he had been held back at illusion school so couldn't create any pretty lights while people were watching - too much pressure. He pretended to talk to his pet bunny and claimed that he was the only burrowing critter that could understand him.
That was a fun character to game with.
My current FR campaign is ending soon. I am currently in the process of making up a gnome rogue.
You'll LOVE this one.
Buddy of mine had a "gnome" fighter. He was actually a dwarf that had been adopted by gnomes. He was short for a dwarf and shaved his beard into a tight goatee, sang gnomish songs, told awful jokes, and married a gnome. He would say that he had been held back at illusion school so couldn't create any pretty lights while people were watching - too much pressure. He pretended to talk to his pet bunny and claimed that he was the only burrowing critter that could understand him.
That was a fun character to game with.
LOL. Did he have a high bluff or a low INT?
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He pretended to talk to his pet bunny and claimed that he was the only burrowing critter that could understand him.
Who's my minion? Who's my minion? YOU ARE!
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LOL. Did he have a high bluff or a low INT?You'll LOVE this one.
Buddy of mine had a "gnome" fighter. He was actually a dwarf that had been adopted by gnomes. He was short for a dwarf and shaved his beard into a tight goatee, sang gnomish songs, told awful jokes, and married a gnome. He would say that he had been held back at illusion school so couldn't create any pretty lights while people were watching - too much pressure. He pretended to talk to his pet bunny and claimed that he was the only burrowing critter that could understand him.
That was a fun character to game with.
Neither - the gnomes were all in on the joke and he was just an awesome roleplayer.
I've seen gnome PC's before (but not teifling or halforc).
In fact one of my player's favourite characters is/was a gnome rogue. She loves that character and gnomes in general.
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While historically in games gnomes are not often played (nor are half-orcs or half-elves) the Pathfinder campaign I've started has four players, one of whom is playing a Gnome Wizard.
However, I've altered the races to give them a few more interesting options. I think WotC may be right about few people playing gnomes in the current rules. The problem is that they're a suboptimal choice for more than 1/2 the character classes. Rather than drop them completely, they might have tried to make them 'work' better. Halflings have the same problem, but because they're pretty decent with the rogue class you see them a lot more.
In the gaming groups I've played in in the past several years, gnomes rank somewhere in the middle of most-played races. Humans and dwarves dominate, followed by usually at least one halfling or gnome in the party. In the past several years, I can recall exactly one half-orc, one half-elf and two elves. In comparison, five gnomish PCs spring to mind and four halflings. There were a lot of "weird" races too, like treemen and genasi thrown in the mix. Come to think of it, though we only ever saw two genasi, they were in the same party as opposed to the elves, whom no-one (in those groups) seems to like to play.
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My longest running Spelljammer character was a Gnome.
I haven't played a Gnome in 3E, but I also haven't played a Dwarf, Halfling or Half Elf in 3E. (And neither I nor anyone else in my gaming group played a Halfling or Dwarf in 2E either. Those two races just don't seem to interest us, although they are apparently two of the most popular races according to WotC market research.)
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I was originally interested in people that actually have gnome PCs but it seems that most folks just know people that play them rather than play one themselves.
In my group we have had only one three gnomes that comes to mind but they were in Kalamar where gnomes get all kinds of bonuses.
My guess is that gnome PCs are fairly uncommon - maybe in the single digit % of all player characters.
My Age of Worms campaign has had a gnome illusionist in it since the beginning.
I played a gnome rogue for about eight sessions in the early days of 3.0.
We had one gnome PC in our most recent campaign. He wasn't a spectacularly effective PC, but that has more to do with his class (bard) than his race.
I can't think of any other gnome PCs in any prior 3E/3.5 campaigns we ran... interesting.
I had one gnome character that I loved back in the 2nd edition days - she was a cleric/thief, said combination being available only to gnomes. Her name was Nana Maria, and she was this tiny, round, motherly figure. She described herself as an "Aquirer for the Faith." But I never bothered to re-create her in 3rd edition - probably because I wouldn't have to be stuck with a gnome in 3rd edition. (grin)
I've altered the races to give them a few more interesting options.
What did you change for the gnomes, if you don't mind my asking?
My SCAP campaign has a gnome bard.
The relegation of the gnome to "monster" status is my primary pet peeves with 4e. I have one gnome fighter in my group now, my name is from the most famous gnome I've ever played, and I just started playing a gnome in WoW. There's gno excuse for gnixing the gnome so gnonchalantly like they have. Gnone!
My current Age of Worms campaign has a gnome barbarian.
My only current PC is Sparky Sparkowitz, gnome sorcerer who is based pretty heavily on Brooklyn Borough President Marty Markowitz.
I just love me some gnomes. A high intimidate or bluff check plus spell-like abilities is just about golden.
El Skootro
I was originally interested in people that actually have gnome PCs but it seems that most folks just know people that play them rather than play one themselves.
In my group we have had only one three gnomes that comes to mind but they were in Kalamar where gnomes get all kinds of bonuses.
My guess is that gnome PCs are fairly uncommon - maybe in the single digit % of all player characters.
It might be that a lot of DMs are in evidence here at Paizo as well. I don't play characters as often since I usually run games.
I have a Gnome Knight (Sir Fonkin) who, to be fair is absoluty impossible to kill (AC 30ish at lvl 5) and i must admit I love playing him (blatant rip off of Sir Didymus from the labyrinth, he even rides a Dog). I always thought gnomes were a bit rubbish until i actually played one and then i realised they make excellent tanks. Small, +2 Con. he will never be a big hitter, but people cant help but try to lop his steel encased little head off(knights challenge helps as well :d).
*cries at the downgrade of her brothers and sisters in argms*
I was originally interested in people that actually have gnome PCs but it seems that most folks just know people that play them rather than play one themselves.
In my group we have had only one three gnomes that comes to mind but they were in Kalamar where gnomes get all kinds of bonuses.
My guess is that gnome PCs are fairly uncommon - maybe in the single digit % of all player characters.
I would have told you about the gnome character I played (or any other for that matter) but I don't really get to play on that side of the screen.
i've played several gnomes. my favorite was Quillin Inkpot, once as a Wiz/Rog which didn't work well as he tended to try to get in a flank and just got smacked down with his weak hp. and once as a straight illusionist, much better.
i think part of the prob with gnomes has been their identity crisis, are they Dwarf Lite or Magic Halflings? or the goofy mad scientists of the Dragonlance books. i'm sure halflings are played more due to the Tolkien tie-in, despite the fact hobbits were just Tolkien's take on gnomes. i wonder how many folks would be upset if halflings were tossed instead of gnomes? just wondering.
the only time i had several gnome players was a forest campaign i ran where no humans or 1/2 orcs were allowed. this encouraged players to try something new and i ended up with several Elves and Gnomes for a change. in general Humans and Dwarves are the most popular races in my games.
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I once played a halfling rogue who convinced all the other PCs that he was a gnome illusionist magically disguising himself as a halfling. They were all angry that I wasted all my spell slots on change self.
EDIT: Actually, I just realized, I played a 3.0 gnome wizard for a while. One fun thing was he had a Con of 24, so he had as many hit points as one of the fighters in the party. Flindal Knocknoggin. I recycled the name in "The Aundairian Job."
I once played a halfling rogue who convinced all the other PCs that he was a gnome illusionist magically disguising himself as a halfling. They were all angry that I wasted all my spell slots on change self.
I like! :)
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the only time i had several gnome players was a forest campaign i ran where no humans or 1/2 orcs were allowed. this encouraged players to try something new and i ended up with several Elves and Gnomes for a change. in general Humans and Dwarves are the most popular races in my games.
I discourage humans as a general rule from PC races, and it ends up with an interesting variety of things, usually lots of elves... no gnomes currently, but i have seen about 12 go through my groups. On the other hand - I have 3 groups currently going, and within those are 5 half-orcs.
It might be that a lot of DMs are in evidence here at Paizo as well.
Considering that Paizo mostly sells DM products, I'd say that their forums would mostly attract DMs.
One of my players has a gnome and I've pinged him to post but he probably wont - he's a ninja after all.
Anyway, when my current WLD favored soul dies, his replacement is going to be a gnome cleric with the earth domain.
Shhhh. We whisper ninja gnomes desire nothing more than to be left alone so that we may do our master's bidding. Our small size makes us powerful and dreaded foes. Perhaps the gods of 4E fear us and feel we are overpowered as PCs.
Noddy already has plans for a campaign of perfectly planned sneak attacks against the evil gods of 4E!
I am usually the DM for my groups. Of the times I have played, I think I've played two gnomes. My players have tended to avoid gnomes in 3e (largely in favor of the extra feat humans get), though they did get played fairly often in 2e.
Well, I just had a player ask me if he could play a gnome illusionist in my 3.0 game. This was just last Sunday, in fact. I said sure, since gnomes are playing a key role in the current campaign. He's the only gnome in the game at this time, but he's not the only player who as played a gnome.
Of the ten people in our group (nine players and me, the DM) I think that all but 3 of us have played gnomes in the past. In the campaign that ended before this one, one of the current players played a gnome wizard. He's currently playing a faen sorcerer (faen from Monte Cook's Arcana Evolved - think gnome, but smaller). Two of my most favorite characters are gnomes. One was a thief and the other was a fighter, but he really wanted to be a paladin (back in AD&D1e times).
For me, if I am playing or dunning D&D, gnomes will have a place in the game.
Stephen Miller
Ancient Gamer and Curmudgeon
Current campaign:
Gnome Artificer L1-3 (thus far)
Last Campaign:
Gnome Rogue L5-19
Previous campaign
Gnome Bard L1-13
Its been the same guy twice so maybe he's a gnomophile, which is better than being gnomophobic.
I did have a gnome in the first 3.0 game that I ran. None from 100's of characters I saw in 2nd edition and none since then.
Also interesting to note: I have seen far more races played out of the Monsters Manual than I have gnomes. To me that also means that something that is "relegated" to the MM still has a fine chance of being perfectly playable.
Sean Mahoney
I'm DMing two campaigns on-and-off, one with a dragonborn gnome archivist, and one with a gnome rogue / sorcerer / effigy master. Both are among the most flavorful PCs I've ever run (although the players might have more to do with that than the build). Being small, smart, and wily is a nice combination. I myself have never played a gnome, though am inspired to try one someday.
I've never actually played a gnome, and throughout 20+ years of gaming I've only ever seen one played once. This woman basically played herself, though it fit in with the "hyper-gnome stereotype" quite well (yeah she was kind of annoying in real life).
I've seen half-orcs played more often than gnomes. My wife recently played a half-orc druidess in the same campaign as the gnome.
I've never seen a Tiefling PC, though if I ever get around to showing my wife the Tiefling and Gnome skit on WotC she might decide that her next character will be a tiefling warlock, once our current campaign finishes up. ;)
How many of you have a Gnome PC among you top played characters?
Only one: my own (Rogue 4 / Spellthief 3). only rarely played because he belongs to the replacement-campaign which is only played if our shackled city crew is unable to show up at full force.
If i remember correctly, i played some gnomes in the past: there was (2nd edition) a thief 9 / illusionist 11 gnome named taskin who had to long a rope and he usually felt prone if he moved too fast. so he incorporated into the robe a pulley-system and before starting to run he pulled the rope so that the end was lifted to knee-high...yes he was a rather comical one but he though of himself serious...and then there was shrinkle, another thief of level 7...
Mmm. all my gnomes are/were thieves/rogues...interesting...however...
game on
This campaign: 33% of my players are gnomes.
Last Campaign: 33% of my players were gnomes.
Next campaign: 33% of my players will probably be gnomes.
I have 1 player out of 3 that really likes gnomes.
I used to hate 'em. But they're starting to grow on me.