Raistlin vs. Elminster

[Kobold Catgirl]

Charles Evans 25 wrote:

Kobold Cleaver:

As far as I was aware, as of Spellfire book III (Hand of Fire) Shandril was stone dead...

Oh, great. I probably should have mentioned this, but I never read the last book. So the ending has just been spoiled. Dang it!

[Lathiira]

You weren't missing much, KC, let me assure you. I'm still curious about what Narm's up to, but that's about it.

[Kobold Catgirl]

Still, it's a little frustrating...
Oh well. At least the argument has been won!
though, Charles, you did pose an excellent argument.

[Lathiira]

I'm not sorry to lose, either.

*Extends a hand to KC*

[magdalena thiriet]

Charles Evans 25 wrote:

However: I agree with Heathansson that Captain Kirk (presumably with assistance provided by Spock and McCoy) could probably take out Elminster, Raistlin, and Drizzt all together.

(Raistlin's NE alignment would result in his automatic defeat by Kirk, for a start.)

True, but Wesley Crusher would win all of them, alone.

Lady of Pain vs. Wesley Crusher? That's a draw.

[secretturchinman]

Raistlin killed a God and Took her. power than started to destroy everything, and was only stopped because characters in books do things that they can't in D&D. While Elminster was trapped in hell and needed a God to save him, so get a grip, one kills Gods, the other is a Gods Girl friend.

[baron arem heshvaun]

The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:

All I know is that they could both kick the s@!@e out of Drizzt.

Darth Maul vs Drizzt please.

The Death Star vs Elminster would work as well.

[Heathansson]

Darth Vader could whup Elminster. You can't cast spells when you're getting choked out telekinetically. The power of the Death Star pales in comparison to the force.

[The Eldritch Mr. Shiny]

Raistlin vs. Elminster vs. Mordenkainen vs. Drizzt vs. Darth Vader vs. Darth Maul vs. the Emperor vs. Q vs. the Ori vs. Bruce Campbell.

I'd put all my money on Bruce, if I were you.

[Griselame]

I think the one and only who could kick the ass of Elminster, Raistlin and co is without doubt the father of all wizards and sages:

Merlin

And now let's get ready for some celtic majesty!

[Heathansson]

Meh....Merlin had to go through a big hullabaloo to do a simple polymorph spell so Uther could get some nukky nuks. He's not all that.

[Griselame]

Yeah,

but Merlin can also make an army move several hundred miles in matter of hours... :)

[baron arem heshvaun]

Heathansson wrote:

Darth Vader could whup Elminster. You can't cast spells when you're getting choked out telekinetically. The power of the Death Star pales in comparison to the force.

Tell that to Alderaan wolfie.

[bugleyman]

baron arem heshvaun wrote:

Heathansson wrote:

Darth Vader could whup Elminster. You can't cast spells when you're getting choked out telekinetically. The power of the Death Star pales in comparison to the force.

Tell that to Alderaan wolfie.

LOL...thanks for the chuckle.

[Billzabub]

my recent "I'm a geek moment" was reading this thread.

[DangerDwarf]

I bet Raist could spank El's newbie goddess Midnight too.

[Kthulhu]

Elminster is so powerful because he is favored by his goddess of magic. Raistlin is that powerful DESPITE the fact that his three gods of magic don't even like him very much.

Raistlin win.

[LazarX]

Charles Evans 25 wrote:

Kobold Cleaver:
Your persistant statement that Elminster is a dithering fool or words to that effect means that you have been fooled by his facade in the same way that many other people have been tricked down through the years.

Elminster is pretty much like "the Doctor" of the Forgotten Realms. Many enemies have breathed their last because they underestimated just how tricky and dangerous he can become.

Raistlin on the other hand is "the Sly One" for good reason. So it really comes down to what the article concluded... it will go down to whoever either gets the drop on the other or who makes the first mistake.

[LazarX]

Kthulhu wrote:

Elminster is so powerful because he is favored by his goddess of magic. Raistlin is that powerful DESPITE the fact that his three gods of magic don't even like him very much.

Raistlin win.

Comapred to Mystra though, they're more like the three wimp gods of magic. Raistlin's power seems to fluctuate highly on location and circumstance, at a mooment he can alternate from virtually omnipotent demiurge to a nearly helpless hacking feeble man that can barely hold his staff up.

[ArchLich]

I think the main question is who is the Mary Sue?

[Dragonborn3]

Bupo would win, and each and every one of you know it!

[Heathansson]

ArchLich wrote:

I think the main question is who is the Mary Sue?

If it wasn't for WOTC's nazilike "protections" of their "int'leckchewel propiteh's" it could be Seoni.

[Orthos]

Dragonborn3 wrote:

Bupo would win, and each and every one of you know it!

Bupo vs. Deekin

Battle of the annoying freaky little critters?

[seekerofshadowlight]

El, hands down.

[Studpuffin]

Fan-Fic Faceoff?

That's the only way to be sure.

[Steven Tindall]

seekerofshadowlight wrote:

El, hands down.

+1.

El has several Lifetimes worth of experience to draw on. El (like all of Mystras chosen) can die go to the fugue plain and simply come back at anytime. Even if rasty killed el a hundred times he keeps coming back.

[DM Wellard]

Elminster because old rougishness beats emo evil any day.

Oh and Belgarath or Polgara could take every one off the great wizards of D&D with both hands tied behind their backs

DangerDwarf wrote:

I bet Raist could spank El's newbie goddess Midnight too.

Yes well back in 2e quite a lot off us wanted to spank Midnight..grins.

Pathfinder needs Elmore babes..get us some Elmore babes.

[The Roy]

This really depends where they're fighting. El will never die in Forgotten Realms. His goddess died before he did. True can be said to Raist in Dragonlance. Now the real question is who would win in a "Your Mama" contest.

[Dragonborn3]

Orthos wrote:

Dragonborn3 wrote:

Bupo would win, and each and every one of you know it!

Bupo vs. Deekin

Battle of the annoying freaky little critters?

Bupo has an axe, Deekin has a natural armor bonus.

My money's on the little guy.

[Godwin's Law Nazi]

Heathansson wrote:

WOTC's nazilike "protections" of their "int'leckchewel propiteh's"

You cannot hide from me forever.

[Lord President Moorluck]

DM Wellard wrote:

Elminster because old rougishness beats emo evil any day.

Oh and Belgarath or Polgara could take every one off the great wizards of D&D with both hands tied behind their backs

DangerDwarf wrote:

I bet Raist could spank El's newbie goddess Midnight too.

Yes well back in 2e quite a lot off us wanted to spank Midnight..grins.

Pathfinder needs Elmore babes..get us some Elmore babes.

+1. And as your elected leader I expect it to be done.

[marakor]

Both Eli and raist seem to trancend even epic levels going by the stories they are in and i agree with that tbh.

However if we consider that raistlin not only became the most powerful wizard of his era by a large margin but also traveled back in time and took the knowledge and abilities of fistandantilus.

Fistandantilus as you may or may not be aware was a 1500 and 2000 year old archmage who used a bloodstone pendant to draw the life, experiaces and abilities from other mages to extend his life. Not only that but for most of that 1500-200 years he had been perposfully conditioning himself and building his power to fight and beat a greater god.

Raistlin took all that and added it to his own power when he used the bloodstone on fisty.

Now this in no way makes Eli a weak mage or means that raistlin would not find him a challenge as Eli's spell mastery and experiance means he uses his art fantastically well instead of just relying on sheer the power of it.

But all said and done Raistlin has the same or greater spell mastery, more experiance due to taking fistys memories and experiances and considerably more power.

RESULT = Raistlin takes it but it is a longer fight than most would expect due to Eli being not only a powerful but a crafty caster.

[The Grassy Gnoll]

Kobold Cleaver wrote:

Well, I know DRAGON did it, and there might be an older thread that covers this, but I want to see: who thinks that Raistlin could whack Elminster into Ravenloft and out again?

Raistlin would win easily. Then Vecna would show up and beat Raistlin down.

[The Crimson Jester, Rogue Lord]

Again?

[Pual]

it cannot be stopped

I reckon they would size each other up, fire off a couple of weaker spells and then BLAM... both eaten by a flumph

[this guy ate my previous avatar]

It's funny I've always had the impression that Elminster was a Wizard, not a priest. Besides when Elminster is low on magic isn't it because of problems with the Weave. Wouldn't Raist suffer on that phenomenon too?

[KnightErrantJR]

Doctor Fate.

One on one against Elminster, Zatanna could take him. El automatically fails his save versus fishnets.

"Hctel dlo etargetnisid!"

[Freehold DM]

Can't believe I didnt post in this the first time 'round.

Raistlin.

Hands down.

I love my fellow pervs, but Elminster is boss primarily because he's the goddess of magic's boy toy. Take that away and what do you have?

[Loztastic]

As well as all his luck with the ladies, i'm sure him and Lhaeo were more than just "mage and scribe" - think about it, tower with one bed,randy mage, camp scribe, all those cold dalelands winters

could get VERY "brokeback demiplane"