We've heard LOUD and CLEAR that a lot of our readers dislike cartoony art. We've also heard very little in defense of that art style. And guess what? When you get Pathfinder 2, you'll see the results.
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Kyle Hunter will continue to be a part of Pathfinder as well. His monsters will be illustrating the Forewords and the preview section at the back, but at this point we won't be illustrating adventures with them. We do have him working on something pretty awesome though that I can't say much more about yet...
So: consider Pathfinder 2 to be closer to where we're aiming for Pathfinder's overall look. And Pathfinder 3 and 4 to be closer still. It'll be a constantly evolving process, though.
I like there to be cartoons in there, myself ... but as funny little asides or like the aforementioned Foreword illustration, rather than as character portraits and the like.
By all means, please include the occasional "Dave, get the barbarian in the corner another drink, quick!" type of piece.
-The Gneech
Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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The art in the Sandpoint article for the NPCs was not Kyle's work. That was from Jeff Laubenstein. It doesn't fit the look of Pathfinder, so we won't be using that art style in future volumes.
Does he typically do Shadowrun art? His stuff looks familiar to me and I keep thinking of Shadowrun.
Wow. I didn't realize that the only Kyle art was on the first page. Who did all the art in Burnt Offerings? I liked that art, but part of that was because I thought it was Kyle with a slightly more "serious" look. I love Kyle's interpretation of monsters. Rich Burlew's stick figure interpretations are also very good in a similar way.
I 100% agree. You guys really do a fantastic job at listening to feed back. I really appreciate it!
Sean Mahoney
The only piece of art from Kyle in Pathfinder 1 is the goblin in the Foreword on page 6.
I misunderstood which pieces were his then, and I apologize for the misjudgment.
I know this was brought up in another thread but giving the artists credit in the inner margins would be a real nice touch.
Keep up the great work Eric, et al!
Sean Mahoney
I'm not a big fan of Kyle Hunter's art and, to be honest, I HATED the art in the Sandpoint NPC portraits and the drawings of characters like Ripnugget. I despised it and wish that the artist had never done any work for Pathfinder.
However, if you let something like a few illustrations by an artist you don't like keep you from buying an otherise fantastic product then you need to have a serious perespective check.
I'm happy there's no more Laubenstein in the works. No insult meant to him, but I didn't like his Shadowrun stuff and I like his Pathfinder stuff less.
I must be having a bad brain day. What is DMILF? I don't get it. Must be too old and not computer lingo savvy enough.
Edit: Wait....having an American Pie flashback. Please tell me that's not it.
I'm happy there's no more Laubenstein in the works. No insult meant to him, but I didn't like his Shadowrun stuff and I like his Pathfinder stuff less.
I heartily agree here.
As for Kyle; I have no problem with his stuff. I'm just glad they haven't hired on BAXA to do their artwork. *shudder*
Personally, I love Kyle Hunter's artwork, especially his little things in the GameMastery modules. I liked Downer too, even though I started subscribing to Dungeon way after the comic started so I didn't really have much of a clue as to what was going on.
Creative Director
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I'm not a big fan of Kyle Hunter's art and, to be honest, I HATED the art in the Sandpoint NPC portraits and the drawings of characters like Ripnugget. I despised it and wish that the artist had never done any work for Pathfinder.
However, if you let something like a few illustrations by an artist you don't like keep you from buying an otherise fantastic product then you need to have a serious perespective check.
The only piece of Kyle art in Pathfinder 1 is the goblin on page 6. The character portraits for Sandpoint and the goblins in the adventure were by Jeff Laubenstein.
Well, I'd like to put in a preference for not having anymore of Jeff's work in Pathfinder. Ever.
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Well, I'd like to put in a preference for not having anymore of Jeff's work in Pathfinder. Ever.
I disagree. I was totally surprised when Erik Mona (in the Pathfinder's Artwork thread) told us Jeff to be the artist for those particular pictures. And while I admit that I don't like this particular style, I also admit that I did like Jeff's artwork on the pages of Dungeon (#118 "Box of Flumphs" or #147 "The Aundairian Job" to give some examples). Something along these lines and I won't argue about it.
Just wanted to add my voice to the chorus. Keep using Kyle the way you been using him. His art is fun and distinctive. It adds a lot to Pathfinder's overall look.
I see Kyle Hunter as sort of Paizo's visual "mascot". (I mean that in a good way.)
Never mind the haters.
Well, we really have not heard back from DMILF; whatever that stands for - am not good at internet acronyms, but am curious.
Perhaps this person does not like more than just the art style; for instance; maybe this KYLE person has a political blog where he espouses stuff DMILF doesnt like; I know I dont buy Dannon yogurt and a whole lot of other items or shop at certain stores due to those manufactures or corporate politics. Stuff like this is not always obvious, really strange that DMILF did not respond back; seems to me that his/her post really just belonged in Sarn's Rant thread.
One liners dont often bring about social or political change, but may be a rally call.
Why the thread starter was so enigmatic; well, I have no idea or what this thread is about or why some people seem to get their jollies from obscure comments that only they understand - perhaps it is a silent smirk thing; who knows; need more info.
I do think it is a little harsh to jump over the artist as most of us have no idea what strictures the artist was given to render the pics; it could have been as simple as; hey draw us some blah blah; or could have been as complex as we need a layout using these colors, in this style, representing this theme, using these weapons, ect. ect.
The art is ok in my perview as I am not good at drawing that style and really appreciated the skill. It would be a big disservice to both players and upcomming artists out there to become static in the choice of art displayed in the publication.
darn; forgot to stand on my soapbox
*shrugs*
DMILF how about an update; please clarify.
DMILF how about an update; please clarify.
Umm...the translation is not work safe...so read it here. The "D" stands for "divorced."
hmm then M for male maybe; then I am lost. heh lilith since you have my email you can always just email it to me :)
hmm then M for male maybe; then I am lost. heh lilith since you have my email you can always just email it to me :)
I figured that it stood for "Dungeon Master..." with the rest the same, of course. /shrug
Nah, Lilith's right.. it's not work safe or board appropriate.
Here's a clue...
"Divorced Mothers I'd ......."
And don't count a small word like "to" in the acronym. Now enough of that.
Anyway, I don't mind Kyle's art in the Foreword.. in the right place and in the right context it's fine, as many have already agreed.
Jeff Laubenstein on the other hand? I tried to introduce a legitimate romantic subplot with Ameiko and one my players, and around the whole table they thought she was homely and trashy because of the art, particularly the cheesy tattoos, despite my descriptive attempts to tell them otherwise. (I wish I'd never shown them the picture).
They haven't seen the elf ranger yet.. <sigh> I'll probably not show them after the last reaction.
I agree, Mr. Laubenstein is just not ready for "Prime time."
I'm happy there's no more Laubenstein in the works. No insult meant to him, but I didn't like his Shadowrun stuff and I like his Pathfinder stuff less.
I heartily agree here.
As for Kyle; I have no problem with his stuff. I'm just glad they haven't hired on BAXA to do their artwork. *shudder*
I couldn't disagree more. I adore the art of BAXA. I bought the books for the Dark Sun campaign setting based on my infatuation with his work, Brom's work, and that it supported Psionics.
I've found his work to be a great source of inspiration for my own artwork.
Tigarri is correct. If you want to see what DMILF stands for, just click on the link to the profile. The DM stands for Dungeon Master, and the ILF is right out of American Pie.
You can't use naughty words in a post, but apparently you can use them in your profile. Who Knew?