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See, I don't believe we will ever "discover" time travel, because if we do why are there not people from the future here, right now, telling us what not to do ??
Tensor, you should TOTALLY NOT say anything about time travel six and a half years from now.
Here is an article about a new theory of Time Travel:
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/New_Theoritical_Model_Eliminates_Barriers _To_Time_Travel_999.html
See, I don't believe we will ever "discover" time travel, because if we do why are there not people from the future here, right now, telling us what not to do ??
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Here is an article about a new theory of Time Travel:
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/New_Theoritical_Model_Eliminates_Barriers _To_Time_Travel_999.html
See, I don't believe we will ever "discover" time travel, because if we do why are there not people from the future here, right now, telling us what not to do ??
See the Special Theory of Relativity; past events could possibly be viewed, but not participated in or acted upon; General Theory, times slows or accelerates relative to the observer. Also, note René Barjavel's short story "The Imprudent Traveller" as well as that really cool Treehouse of Horror episode where Homer screws up the universe with his time machine-toaster...
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String Theory invalidates time travel. Time exists as a change in the possibility entanglement that defines the limits of your existance so time travel would be like disconnecting from the debris entanglement you are interacting with and ... basicly you change the shape of the puzzel connector created by you so you can interact with one reality and connect with another puzzel that has the mirror of the new connection....no thats travel through other possibilities...um you eliminate and recreate the existance of your debris entanglement connection cyclicly so that you bob up and down in the event horizon of the blackhole you currently orbit.
All matter is debris entanglement orbiting a black hole.
Conceivably if the changes in the debris interactor (puzzel connection) is complex enough you could throw yourself clear of the black hole with a gravitational slingshot like a skipping stone-but in reverse.
String Theory invalidates time travel. Time exists as a change in the possibility entanglement that defines the limits of your existance so time travel would be like disconnecting from the debris entanglement you are interacting with and ... basicly you change the shape of the puzzel connector created by you so you can interact with one reality and connect with another puzzel that has the mirror of the new connection....no thats travel through other possibilities...um you eliminate and recreate the existance of your debris entanglement connection cyclicly so that you bob up and down in the event horizon of the blackhole you currently orbit.
All matter is debris entanglement orbiting a black hole.
Conceivably if the changes in the debris interactor (puzzel connection) is complex enough you could throw yourself clear of the black hole with a gravitational slingshot like a skipping stone-but in reverse.
Totally. :P
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I have a Way Back machine on my porch. $10 US to use. No way back though, unless you travel somewhere where they have time machines.
That would be the main issue with time travel: How do I return? Practical considerations v. possability.
Dirk should totally say this in about 45 minutes.
I have a Way Back machine on my porch. $10 US to use. No way back though, unless you travel somewhere where they have time machines.
That would be the main issue with time travel: How do I return? Practical considerations v. possability.
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That would be the main issue with time travel: How do I return? Practical considerations v. possability.
Yes, actually! The down-and-dirty reason one could possibly travel back in time rests on the concept that space-time curves, and the faster you travel in space, the tighter the curve gets until you could, theoretically at least view the back end of the curve (aka, the past); whether or not you could actually step off your timeline onto the other is something else altogether, but if you could, then the best you could do is to relive the past, until you caught up to your old present...
Tensor, you should TOTALLY NOT say anything about time travel six and a half years from now.
doh!
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Tensor, you should TOTALLY NOT say anything about time travel six and a half years from now.
doh!
It's OK, while the energy required to go 'fast' enough to view the past is pretty significant, the energy required to send even a 1 nanosecond digital transmission from one portion of the curve to another is astronomically impossible until the end of the universe, because it would take the energy of a universal implosion to send the transmission--there's pretty much no way you could have warned yourself...
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Yes, actually! The down-and-dirty reason one could possibly travel back in time rests on the concept that space-time curves, and the faster you travel in space, the tighter the curve gets until you could, theoretically at least view the back end of the curve (aka, the past); whether or not you could actually step off your timeline onto the other is something else altogether, but if you could, then the best you could do is to relive the past, until you caught up to your old present...
That would be the main issue with time travel: How do I return? Practical considerations v. possability.
Uh oh! Just altered the value of PI. Best not let the maths department hear what you're doing, least they lynch and burn you for heresy against doctrine...
I don't believe in time travel because time isn't a thing that can be manipulated; it is simply a human concept to help us measure and catalogue our lives and history. Time-related spells and abilities in rpg games annoy the heck out of me, partially because they have a habit of disrupting it, but mostly because of my aforementioned opinion.
Would someone be so kind as to explain (briefly) string theory to me? About four years ago I saw some kind of tv program about the 11 strings/dimensions. I kept on waiting for them to explain how the **** they decided upon the number 11, but they never did and it's been driving me crazy ever since!
Would someone be so kind as to explain (briefly) string theory to me? About four years ago I saw some kind of tv program about the 11 strings/dimensions. I kept on waiting for them to explain how the **** they decided upon the number 11, but they never did and it's been driving me crazy ever since!
Umm ... the universe likes Spinal Tap?
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I don't believe in time travel because time isn't a thing that can be manipulated; it is simply a human concept to help us measure and catalogue our lives and history. Time-related spells and abilities in rpg games annoy the heck out of me, partially because they have a habit of disrupting it, but mostly because of my aforementioned opinion.
Would someone be so kind as to explain (briefly) string theory to me? About four years ago I saw some kind of tv program about the 11 strings/dimensions. I kept on waiting for them to explain how the **** they decided upon the number 11, but they never did and it's been driving me crazy ever since!
OK: String Theory as it peddled on TV is deliberatly evasive in its facts because (a) There is money in it, (b) it has strategic value, and (c)it invalidates religion and evolution in a way that threatens the likelyhood of ever getting (a) or (b) and (d) reaching conclusion (c) is likely to get you killed by the 6 billion who prefer flat earths or the few who prefer if you prefer flat earths.
String theory works like this...
Well, that explains why the show was so uninformative but I'd still like to understand the rudiments of the theory itself.
The whole concept of physical tarvelling to the past creates a logical paradox. It doesn't matter whether you believe in string theory, relativity, karma or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, logic dictates that as soon as someone invents a method (why does it have to be a machine?) to travel to the past it will have always existed as it would by definition have to be able to travel to a time before it was built. The fact that there is not a method for travelling to the past in existence now means that there never will be, at least in our universe. The only other possibility is that a method will be discovered but will never be used.
I think observational "time travel" may be possible, but not physical time travel. That's just absurd. I see no reason not to believe however that people from the future may be watching us now, and always have been, but are unable to interact physically with their past/our present, only observe it.
I see no reason not to believe however that people from the future may be watching us now, and always have been, but are unable to interact physically with their past/our present, only observe it.Like right now? Crap, I hope they weren't paying attention about ten minutes ago.
I'm banking on the fact that there are a lot of nicer-looking people to spy on than us (no offence).
By the way I really didn't want to sound like a nut with that "people from the future are watching us" stuff. It's just a theoretical possibility that's all...
It doesn't matter whether you believe in string theory, relativity, karma or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, logic dictates that as soon as someone invents a method (why does it have to be a machine?) to travel to the past it will have always existed as it would by definition have to be able to travel to a time before it was built. The fact that there is not a method for travelling to the past in existence now means that there never will be, at least in our universe. The only other possibility is that a method will be discovered but will never be used.
Your argument seems appealing at first glance, but it presupposes that if there had been time travel previously, we would know about it. If we assume, arguendo that a time machine will be invented and has already appeared in our past, what proof would we necessarily have to the contrary? Also, how can one prove that there is not a method for travelling to the past in existence now? Maybe the method exists but we lack the intellect to make use of it?
As an aside, this whole thread kinda weirds me out. It reminds of that episode of Sifl & Ollie where everything was a des ja vious (sp?) as a result of drinking too much creme soda...
Your argument seems appealing at first glance, but it presupposes that if there had been time travel previously, we would know about it. If we assume, arguendo that a time machine will be invented and has already appeared in our past, what proof would we necessarily have to the contrary? Also, how can one prove that there is not a method for travelling to the past in existence now? Maybe the method exists but we lack the intellect to make use of it?
Well, yes I suppose instead of assuming that no time travellers have ever come to our past we could assume that they have, but have remained completely undiscovered.
Personally though it seems much more likely to me that there simply are no time travellers, now or in the future. That's the thing with physical time travel, once it is possible linear time is ended. There is no longer any real sense of past and future being different places, so if there are time travellers at any time then there are time travellers now, at least potentially.
The way I see it, at the precise moment someone successfully operates a time machine for the first time, other time machines will pop into existence all over the past like pimples on a KFC employee. None of them can exist until one does, so in a way all time machines are one time machine. The fact that there haven't been any yet means either it will never happen in our universe (and so is impossible) or that there have been, but all time travellers are responsible people and leave absolutely no traces. Human nature being what it is I go for the first explanation!
Of course maybe it's possible to build a machine that can't travel to a time earlier than the first operation of the first time machine - there's no paradox in that. That means everything that happened before a time machine was first operated (like us now) would be kind of lost history to the people after it was operated.
As an aside, this whole thread kinda weirds me out. It reminds of that episode of Sifl & Ollie where everything was a des ja vious (sp?) as a result of drinking too much creme soda...
Tell me about it, I think I just did my own head in...
EDIT: Cut a bit out because I waffled on too much.
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The whole concept of physical tarvelling to the past creates a logical paradox. It doesn't matter whether you believe in string theory, relativity, karma or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, logic dictates that as soon as someone invents a method (why does it have to be a machine?) to travel to the past it will have always existed as it would by definition have to be able to travel to a time before it was built. The fact that there is not a method for travelling to the past in existence now means that there never will be, at least in our universe. The only other possibility is that a method will be discovered but will never be used.
I think observational "time travel" may be possible, but not physical time travel. That's just absurd. I see no reason not to believe however that people from the future may be watching us now, and always have been, but are unable to interact physically with their past/our present, only observe it.
To survive a paradox, I would have to close the loop on your existance...and trap you in a string.
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I am going to start a pizza place, specializing in instantaneous pizza delivery. You call us, give us your credit card number, and place your order. Just as soon as time travel becomes a possibility, one of our deliver persons (or not persons if we encounter other races first) will be at you door before you hang up.
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As for string theory, and the origin of the 11 dimensions (there are other dimension sets of different sizes 7,15,...)
If you break down particles until you get inside them, and then start writing equations based on how we think they function, you get equations of either open or closed "objects" which look like strings. The extra dimensions are necessary to describe the strings, though they don't necessarily indicate physical properties we could understand.
It is best if you think of them as secondary properties, like temperature or color, because your brain can wrap around that.
To survive a paradox, I would have to close the loop on your existance...and trap you in a string.
What are you, some kind of mysterious string theory Yoda? :p
I don't know what all you people are talking about. We travel through time every day. I'm traveling through time right now.
Anyhow, since time (at least its measurement) is a human creation we can time travel all we want. In fact the government does it all the time. It's called day lights saving.
Actually, the internet is a vehicle for time travel. My message was written at midday, but some of you will receive it in the past as far as I'm concerned. Think about it. ;-)
Check this paper out "multiverse.pdf" in the middle of the page.
http://www.wintersteel.com/Parallel_Universes.html
Cosmology has begun to show us the multiverse is real.
We live on the verge of new view of reality, like when the church agreed the world was not flat, but round. Now the church has to agree there are infinite universes (and gods???).
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Check this paper out "multiverse.pdf" in the middle of the page.
http://www.wintersteel.com/Parallel_Universes.html
Cosmology has begun to show us the multiverse is real.
We live on the verge of new view of reality, like when the church agreed the world was not flat, but round. Now the church has to agree there are infinite universes (and gods???).
There's an article on this at the Holy See site; specifically, it argues that multiple realities are very possible, as are parallel universes, etc, but that none of that precludes the power, existence or authority of God as the Three Person entity.
Vic, why didn't you tell me last week not to include that last line in my post... I thread-jacked my own thread!
There's an article on this at the Holy See site; specifically, it argues that multiple realities are very possible, as are parallel universes, etc, but that none of that precludes the power, existence or authority of God as the Three Person entity.Check this paper out "multiverse.pdf" in the middle of the page.
http://www.wintersteel.com/Parallel_Universes.html
Cosmology has begun to show us the multiverse is real.
We live on the verge of new view of reality, like when the church agreed the world was not flat, but round. Now the church has to agree there are infinite universes (and gods???).
I heard an interesting argument for the resurrection in my philosophy class when I was at uni. Some theologian says that if we assume the existence of infinite parallel universes then there has to be a universe in which each and every one of us is immune to death, statistically speaking. He claims that the universe in which the man called Jesus of Nazareth died and then came back to life is our universe.
A pair of German or Russian physicists (not sure which) have just made the claim that they have successfully forced a photon to travel faster than the speed of light using some quantum mumbo jumbo. And as we all know, faster than light speeds are synonymous with ideas about time travel.
Look, it is Lucifer's Hammer .
The universe is seriously freaky. Magic? Orcs? Dragons? That's like child's play freakiness.
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There was an Indie film I saw a couple years ago whose premise was essentially Dr. Mallett's idea of a machine that would allow time travel to the past from the the future, but not to the past before the machine was turned on. It was called "The Box" or something like that.
It was really very good, but I can't find any reference to it in a quick google search.
Anyway, in this film, these two guys build a machine as described, and they turn it on, say, Monday morning at 0800. That afternoon they take the stock quotes at the close of Wall Street and put them in the box. They leave the box on for a week, then open it and they have the 1600 quotes at 0800, and proceed to rake in the cash.
I'm really screwing it up, but maybe that's enough to jog someone else's better memory.
Great thread. Saved the article for my Legion game and watched the videos. Thanks for posting them everyone!
There was an Indie film I saw a couple years ago whose premise was essentially Dr. Mallett's idea of a machine that would allow time travel to the past from the the future, but not to the past before the machine was turned on. It was called "The Box" or something like that.
That was a great movie. They kept the machine in a storage locker room. Can't remember the title either, right now.
I believe it was called "Primer" came out 2004.
I think I will just Slide away!
String Theory invalidates time travel. Time exists as a change in the possibility entanglement that defines the limits of your existance so time travel would be like disconnecting from the debris entanglement you are interacting with and ... basicly you change the shape of the puzzel connector created by you so you can interact with one reality and connect with another puzzel that has the mirror of the new connection....no thats travel through other possibilities...um you eliminate and recreate the existance of your debris entanglement connection cyclicly so that you bob up and down in the event horizon of the blackhole you currently orbit.
All matter is debris entanglement orbiting a black hole.
Conceivably if the changes in the debris interactor (puzzel connection) is complex enough you could throw yourself clear of the black hole with a gravitational slingshot like a skipping stone-but in reverse.
Speaking of String Theory, what is the latest on being able to do experiments to validate the theory?
Speaking of String Theory, what is the latest on being able to do experiments to validate the theory?
String theory invalidates string theory.
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Speaking of String Theory, what is the latest on being able to do experiments to validate the theory?String theory invalidates string theory.
WARNING!----STRINGTHEORY EXPERIMENT----WARNING!
INSTRUCTION: Go door to door on foot explaining that you are doing a stringtheory experiment and that the premis of that experiment is that you must stand in front of every individual in a given household and shake their hands and that you are wondering if they are prepared to take part in the experiment?
WARNING!----STRINGTHEORY EXPERIMENT----WARNING!
INSTRUCTION: Go door to door on foot explaining that you are doing a stringtheory experiment and that the premis of that experiment is that you must stand in front of every individual in a given household and shake their hands and that you are wondering if they are prepared to take part in the experiment?
OK--they told me one phone call or one email, so I picked you, YD:
Can you, as such, come and bail me out of the clink? The last house I went to wasn't full of such folks as was happy to see me. Also, the PC is to thinking I'm nutters, and they is calling the white coats from Norfolk after me, so please hurry.
Cheers
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What if...
What if there ARE time travellers, and these are the "UFOs" that people claim to see.
What if there ARE time travellers, and the use of time travel in fact created the universe.
What if there ARE time travellers, and they are here and gone so quickly (being able to manipulate time) that all we experience are feelings of unfortable presence, which explains ghosts, apparaitions, deja vu.
I would also like to point out that we are all time travellers, we just go in one direction at a predetermined level of cognisance and eventually our "machine" wears out after we go so far. Rocks are the best time machines, we need to find out how to put our consciousness in rocks.
No seriously, if we want to time travel into the future, the most effecient way is to find a method of storing human consciousness in other receptacles. Or, failing that, using computers to transmit information through time with accelerated particles, which would cost infinitely less than moving an object through time.