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You asked for interpretations as to the way the symbols of the sins were designed the way they are, so here's my shot at it:
Wrath: The horns of the bull. Impulsive, violent passions.
Pride: Someone lifting his arms above his head as a sign of personal victory and inner pride.
Envy: The upper contour of the eye and the narrow pupil. Envy shows itself by the way we "look" at each other. It is in the beholder's own eye.
Greed: a clawed hand grasping the triangle (a thing, a diamond) for itself.
Gluttony: A bloated body contoured by the arms holding its own tummy.
Lust: A tongue? A sexual/phallic design.
Sloth: Somebody lying down with his arms stretched above his head.
There are 2 for Wrath.
Cripes, it's like a rorschach test in here... Some pretty creative suggestions in this and the other thread though, things I wouldn't normally have seen (though I'm hearing an awful lot of phalluses...cough...).
Are you sure it's two for wrath, or are you guessing?
The words "wrath" and "pride" are pretty much centered over the positions between those top three runes, so I really can't tell what's intended. Maybe the outside ones are wrath and pride, and the middle one is some sort of combo-rune (wrathful pride?).
Are you sure it's two for wrath, or are you guessing?
Mentioned in another thread that there were two runes for Wrath.
Envy: Rather than an eye, I saw someone wrapping their arms out around something. Sort of picture the stereotypical poker player sliding all the chips their way.
Wrath: I prefer the 2nd one (middle of top row). Not sure what it is, but it sure looks like it's on fire. The other doesn't really seem to have much action/life in it, especially for "wrath."
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Envy: Rather than an eye, I saw someone wrapping their arms out around something. Sort of picture the stereotypical poker player sliding all the chips their way.
Wrath: I prefer the 2nd one (middle of top row). Not sure what it is, but it sure looks like it's on fire. The other doesn't really seem to have much action/life in it, especially for "wrath."
Several people have commented on the envy looking like reaching arms; I see what you mean, but that doesn't represent envy to me. Greed yes, envy no.
I hadn't thought of the wrath rune as fiery. I like it better now. I keep seeing th two seperate bits as eyes. Specifically, as eye-slits in a helmet. A flaming helmet sounds like wrath to me. Although I don't actually think it's supposed to be a helmet.
Craig Sahckleton,
The Rambling Scribe
Wrath;
first one gives me the impression of a charging bull
second of an "avenging angel"
Pride looks like some-one celebrating (holding up a trophy of somesort?)
The envy one looks like some-one furrowing their eyebrows to me (kind of like a look of dissaproval or dissapointment?)
Greed as already mentioned is a grasping hand.
Gluttony looks to me like a fat man pulling food to himself.
Lust; well at first glance I thouth it was actually a female!! The top right pointed bit was breasts and the rest is showing her curvacious figure. But on retrospect I would DEFINATLY agree with the male body (mabye its designed to look like both genders at once???)
Sloth; the easiest, yes it's definatley a person lying down to me.
DW
how can there be seven deadly sins in D&D as there is no Christianity or like religions in D&D; seems the whole thing is stepping on it to me. To have deadly sins would imply you have virtues and each diety and pantheon would have their own set so how could there be unifying symbols of such an idea.
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The resonance of the number seven shows up in a lot of lore and mythology (and the real world) outside of christianity.
For example, the seven colors of the rainbow. Or the seven 'classic' metals of alchemy. It's a nice number - big enough to provide variety, without being unweildy. Plus, like a lot of other numbers of 'mystic' significance, it's a prime number.
So it's not inconcievable for the seven sins to arise outside of a christian framework. Heck, the blog explained where they came from even.
how can there be seven deadly sins in D&D as there is no Christianity or like religions in D&D; seems the whole thing is stepping on it to me.
There's a heck of a lot of ideas from D&D that are direct ports from Christianity--look at the Nine Hells sometime and their ruling devils. Even a lot of the spells like the stick you throw down that turns into a snake, the ability to create water, and the hold your arms in the air to bless your allies in battle are straight out of the Bible. So yeah. Then again, a lot of fantasy in general has always been tied to Christianity. Certainly Tolkien and Lewis were into porting biblical values into their fantasy.
Personally I don't mind so much, as long as like the good folks at Paizo are doing, the ideas are developed and spun into their own myths rather than just sitting out there without any connection to the setting. In this case, the sins are corruptions of the old ideals of an ancient society--that as the society became more evil and hedonistic their very ideals became sins. I think it's very fresh and cool.
For me I see "Lust" as a feminine curved hip and back being stroked by a hand. I think the most effective ones are Lust, Sloth, Gluttony (two arms scooping everything toward self), Greed and Pride. The two weakest are Wrath and Envy. Envy feels too inward and defensive--like big horns curved around as if to protect something. It should be more outwardly focused and more aching and sour. I agree with Fatespinner that I think the leftmost Wrath feels more like the others--but it's too passive and too inwardly focused. I wonder how it would look if all the same spikeys were turned outward rather than inward--to make it feel more outwardly hostile and dangerous.
The other Wrath is too disjointed. In the other glyphs, the single form is only broken once, and the breakage is significant--the hand on the side of the lover, the diamond in the fingertips, a marker to show the head of a humanoid figure--in the other Wrath you don't get that. The breakages are like thorns or something. It's not clear why they're broken away from the rest of the image and it weakens the symbol and makes it feel kind of vague.
One thing I do have to say that I love however is how the runes impart their meaning through pure symbolism--very much like the old glyphs for the spells did back in the day. I enjoy the idea of an arcane hieroglyphics for the magic of the setting. I think it looks like a lot of fun.
The 8th symbol is obviously there to designate a new sin: tailgating.
That lust one looks like a spermatazoa to me.
I'm with others in preferring the fiery wrath symbol over the other one.
Do we necessarily have to go with the exact seven of Christian myth? For one thing, it seems to me that Envy, Greed, and Gluttony are very similar to one another. I might fold Greed into Gluttony or vice-versa, leaving room for a "new" sin. How about Deceit? It's always seemed odd to me that lying/cheating isn't considered a major sin.
R.e. the images: For Envy, perhaps the "pupil" stroke might be over to the side a bit, like looking out of the corner of your eyes at someone? Or not - I wasn't happy with my attempt to "redesign" the symbol. For Wrath, the first is too static and the second too "busy". I took a few minutes to make a variant of the second image basing it off of "furrowed brows"/"shaking fists over his head in rage". And I made a Deceit one loosely off of "villainous mustache"/"forked tongue".