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Heathansson wrote:
Celestial Healer wrote:
No joke, somebody dropped one of my d20s in the toilet one time. It happens.
Knowing you, I believe you. ;)

You can't really blame the dude. "Blah, blah, blah, I have wings, Yada, yada, yada, I'm all goody-goody." Yeah I would drop your d20 in the can also.

FH


Sorry, gotta rant about a player at our table...we all know that side coments & jokes are made around the table & he hangs out at the house even when we're not gaming & knows that picking on each other is just what happens. He does fine out of game but the last several times we've played he's ended up pitchin' a hissy about "everyone needs to quit picking on him and his character". Then we usually have that "odd moment of silence" afterwards b/c us older one's at the table (ages 36, 46 & 49, he's 27) are holding our tongues so we don't bite his head off. The reason we don't say much is because he's actually a pretty good gamer and in this particular campaign, he's the leader. I started out thinking that maybe with the 1st couple of times that maybe he was just having a bad day, I was WRONG! This kid's just apparently that stinkin' whiney. I just keep telling myself, the campaign's almost over. I'm not sure we'll invite him back but that would be kinda hard not to do since we've got a small group (8-10) of us anyway and it's mostly people his age. I'm not so sure my character will let his survive the rest of the campaign though, leader or not. (I know, it's a DM's dream to let the party destroy itself) But I'm not sure I can actually do it anyway b/c I'm sure he'd whine about being killed off too. Mostly, he's played at our table before & had only one incident of the pitchin' a hissy, he knows how we play & all the side comments & jokes that tend to happen. I just want to shake some since into him but I've always heard "Don't Shake the baby". (dang it!!)

Liberty's Edge

Fake Healer wrote:
Heathansson wrote:
Celestial Healer wrote:
No joke, somebody dropped one of my d20s in the toilet one time. It happens.
Knowing you, I believe you. ;)

You can't really blame the dude. "Blah, blah, blah, I have wings, Yada, yada, yada, I'm all goody-goody." Yeah I would drop your d20 in the can also.

FH

Was it your lucky d20? Didja fish it out? ;)

Liberty's Edge

Damn Texas wind air elementals! Knocked down half the damn fences in my neighborhood today! Except mine, thanks God. That's why I'm not a atheist ;) I like atheists, I don't even think they go to hell or nothin'.
AND I saw not one, but TWO CRAPPY MOVIES TODAY! I'm not gonna even say what they are; I don't care they sucked, and I don't want to defend my opinion about how bad they sucked; I just wanna forget the whole crappy thing. I shoulda just watched Chronicles of Riddick again on TNT but nooooooooooooooo!!!!!
What else? Aw, hell that's enough.


I have been a rather tolerant DM in the past, allowing just about any race in my campaigns, even some with obscene level adjustments and allowed treasure that is much higher level than the character's level. But now when I try to scale things down to a more reasonable level they complain. I am still allowing a great deal (all of the core races in Expanded Psionics, Magic of Incarnum, the PHB and the planar handbook) but still they complain. "I want to play my pixie!" "Why can't I play my pixie?" "But I like my stone giant!" "Facist!" "My pixie is my favorite character, its fun to play!" Not for me it isn't. Yes I am supposed to make it so that the players have fun but I'M SUPPOSED TO HAVE FUN TOO! When I have to figure out what levels of monsters I can put out so that the whole party can handle and when the players defeat everything I put out because of their overpowered races that makes it less fun. Why does the stone giant even have an entry for how to make it so that a playter cna play one? Pixies are just retarded. When I try to fix it they whine and act like I am doing something unfair and unreasonable!

Liberty's Edge

I like to do all sortsa mean stuff to dice that wrong me. Maybe a swirly would work--stick the offender in there and line the other dice up on the seat there to see what happens to crappy rollers.

The frying pan thing just seems like a fire hazard, though. It's just kinda "out there."

I know! I'll put one of them in a vice, and squeeze it until one of its pips pops out. Yeah!!!


I hate working on Sunday; heeh you all probably hate all my Sunday posts as I object to Sundays and dont feel like working; darn heathens in charge at my work. I hope their fences blow down. :)

Liberty's Edge

Yeh. I usually hate that too.


Arctaris wrote:
I have been a rather tolerant DM in the past, allowing just about any race in my campaigns, even some with obscene level adjustments and allowed treasure that is much higher level than the character's level. But now when I try to scale things down to a more reasonable level they complain. I am still allowing a great deal (all of the core races in Expanded Psionics, Magic of Incarnum, the PHB and the planar handbook) but still they complain. "I want to play my pixie!" "Why can't I play my pixie?" "But I like my stone giant!" "Facist!" "My pixie is my favorite character, its fun to play!" Not for me it isn't. Yes I am supposed to make it so that the players have fun but I'M SUPPOSED TO HAVE FUN TOO! When I have to figure out what levels of monsters I can put out so that the whole party can handle and when the players defeat everything I put out because of their overpowered races that makes it less fun. Why does the stone giant even have an entry for how to make it so that a playter cna play one? Pixies are just retarded. When I try to fix it they whine and act like I am doing something unfair and unreasonable!

You could do what my DM does to bards, he'll let you play one but he guarantees it will have an allergy to oxygen. I've seen him allow only ONE survive said allergy & I've played under him for 10 years!


My rant: I really wish I had people to play D&D with and the time to do it. My summer group (because we all go to colleges in different areas for the most part) may be on the verge of breaking up for good in the near future, with college graduation imminent. And that totally stinks because I'm really digging the Savage Tide adventure path, despite my initial dislike of the pirate theme (which I'm happy to see isn't too over the top). Just about half the time, someone in my group plays a druid and I always feel bad that a lot of the time they don't get the opportunity to do druidy things. And here's an AP with a lot of opportunities for that and it seems like the group may end up seperating.

The three guys (with the occasional fourth) that I play(ed) with were really incredible. I taught most of them how to play myself, we were friends before, we were comfortable with each other. Loads of fun. They were the only redeeming quality of going back to the suburbs for the summer after school got out.


Minirant
People who right off Eberron because Airships and lightning rails are ‘Gimmicky’ or to similar to final fantasy games. So I suppose Mystara’s Princess Ark is a Gimmick? That the Harulan Airships of Forgotten realms are a gimmick? Just because its new doesn’t make it bad. And Warforged? Because of Corse there never been a humanoid construct before now has there? Wait there have indeed, the MM is full of them, but thse are familiar and safe, those are ok. Heaven forbid that any one do anything new with there character.


People who can't spell! It bugs me, it makes me angry. When people confuse their and there or people just misspell minor little things. Its not impossible to proof read your posts. Admittedly sometimes I misspell things but my posts aren't massive fields of typos. Sometimes I don't even bother too read posts because they are all but indecipherable. Grammar mistakes don't bother me as much.
P.S. If there is a way to engage a spell-check please let me know.


Arctaris wrote:
P.S. If there is a way to engage a spell-check please let me know.

Use the latest version of Firefox. Built in spellchecker. :D


But if a word is spelt correctly even if it's the wrong word, it would still go through presumably. For example, rouge wouldn't be corrected to rogue?

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ericthecleric wrote:
But if a word is spelt correctly even if it's the wrong word, it would still go through presumably. For example, rouge wouldn't be corrected to rogue?

Right, you would need a full-fledged grammar and sentence structure checker. It's more fun to choose your own personal example of bad spelling/grammar and relentlessly slam all who use the offending baddernessitude until people fear your name and tremble at the mere mention of core-class misspelling. MUHAAAA-HAAA-WAAAHAAAAAAAHHAAROUGEYAAAAAAYAAAHAAAAHEEEfoolswaaaahaaaaaaahee ee Oh, that felt good.

FH (Champion of Correctly Spelling Core-Classes)

Liberty's Edge

Good thing for you that plesiosaur isn't a core class.

Silver Crusade

Arctaris wrote:
Sometimes I don't even bother too read posts because they are all but indecipherable.

"To"

Silver Crusade

Heathansson wrote:
Fake Healer wrote:
Heathansson wrote:
Celestial Healer wrote:
No joke, somebody dropped one of my d20s in the toilet one time. It happens.
Knowing you, I believe you. ;)

You can't really blame the dude. "Blah, blah, blah, I have wings, Yada, yada, yada, I'm all goody-goody." Yeah I would drop your d20 in the can also.

FH

Was it your lucky d20? Didja fish it out? ;)

Okay, here's what happened. It wasn't the d20 I usually use. I had a spare set of dice that I leant to another player. Well, he went to roll it one time and couldn't find it anywhere. We thought maybe he had dropped it on the floor and it would turn up. When the combat was over, he went to take a leak, and when he got to the toilet, the d20 came tumbling out of his sleeve and into the toiletbowl. He fished it out because it would have clogged the DM's drain. Somebody cleaned it and disinfected it, but I still don't use it.

P.S. FH, I'm so gonna drop all your dice in the toilet now. It's on.


Celestial Healer wrote: Arctaris wrote:
Sometimes I don't even bother too read posts because they are all but indecipherable.

"To"

I wondered when someone would catch that.
In response to Lilith I'm not running Firefox. I would like to be but I'm not yet.

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Celestial Healer wrote:
P.S. FH, I'm so gonna drop all your dice in the toilet now. It's on.

My dice would beat you like a red-headed step-child, Angel-boy. They are well trained in the art of Pip-jitsu and Crit-Kwan-Doo.

The d20 would just sit back and watch my d12s get all barbarian with a greataxe on you, Wing-ed Punk!

FH (Master Die Trainer)

Silver Crusade

Fake Healer wrote:
Celestial Healer wrote:
P.S. FH, I'm so gonna drop all your dice in the toilet now. It's on.

My dice would beat you like a red-headed step-child, Angel-boy. They are well trained in the art of Pip-jitsu and Crit-Kwan-Doo.

The d20 would just sit back and watch my d12s get all barbarian with a greataxe on you, Wing-ed Punk!

FH (Master Die Trainer)

Very well. You can sit and roll dice while I smite you with my fiery sword.

At least I know how to spell rogue.

Paizo Employee Director of Sales

Arctaris wrote:
I'm not running Firefox. I would like to be but I'm not yet.

Well... you should be.

: )


Hah! I found IE's spellchecker. And I know I should be running Firefox its on my to do list along with experimenting with Linux.


Taken from the 3rd page of the Poll Who is your Favorite Dungeon Author Not directed at any one person in particular but rather an entire administration and its supporters.

Heathansson wrote:
Ranger92308 wrote:

My friend came in and told me to vote for you, Nicholas Logue

Aye, now this is just ludicrous. He could be voting for Daffy Duck for all he knows.

My friend just told me that Hawaii possess Weapons of Mass Destruction.... We should invade!!! He's Dick Cheney so I believe him. The VP of the United States would never lie or obscure the truth from the people who voted for him would he? It sort of like having one of your employees lie to you, right (Not that Dick is anyone'e employee right?). But if you had an employee at your fast food joint who was giving out free Slurpies to his buddies or something and lied about it you would can him right? But Dick wuld never do that. Oh, and vote Bush because he's so strong and moral. Dick and FOX News say so.

In fact they say lots of things: Family Values, 9/11, WMD, 9/11, Tax Cuts, 9/11, Privatize Social Security, 9/11, Tax and Spend, 9/11, Liberal, 9/11, No Leaks, 9/11, Joseph Wilson's wife is with the CIA, One Man and One Woman, 9/11, Support Our Troops, 9/11, it's not about who controls the Persian Gulf and the oil that comes out of it, 9/11, Halliburton will do a great job - why bid it?, 9/11, Blackwater = "Contractors," 9/11, al Quaeda = Iraq, 9/11, Undermines Our Troops, 9/11, Wire Tap, 9/11, Wouldn't you like to be a Pepper too?

How full is the slushy machine now?

Mission Complete! ::Says the sign on the deck of the aircraft carrier:: Mission Complete!!!

-GGG

PS Hey, anyone seen that guy who killed nearly three thousand people back on that September day? What a knucklehead that guy was, The little scamp killed three thousand people, and here I thought it was Sadam disguise. Boy is my face red. You got me there Binny. What a card. Is this guy something or what?

3,000+ coalition troops (what income bracket do you think the majority of these folks come from?), 50,000+ (no one really knows) Iraqis dead (+1,000 more every month - in a country the size of Texas) now there's some parity for you. How many of those were insurgents you think? How many were kids? How many where somebody's dad, mom, son, or girlfriend? Was this really necessary?

Your vote does count for something. It's not "vote or die" like the tee-shirt says. It's vote or be responsible for the killing....

Rant ended....


Amen to that.

Scarab Sages

Yeah! George Bush is Evil! He's worse than Stalin! Worse than Hitler, Che Guevara, Pol Pot, Mao, or that creepy little dude who runs North Korea (seriously, have you seen that dudes hair). Bush is way worse than those guys who videotape themselves cutting people's heads off, or the foreign leaders who call for the destruction of anyone who practices a certain religion. Worse than the folks who are practicing genocide in Africa too.

Maybe we would have been better off with Al Gore as President (after all, he did win an Oscar). Then we could be focusing on how those damn corporations and SUV drivers (but not the Hollywood crowd and their private jets) are destroying the environment. And I'm sure that bin Laden wouldn't have been a problem under President Gore, since his former boss was doing an excellent job about that situation. Of course we can't prove that since Sandy Berger "accidently" stole and destroyed files pertaining to Clinton's handling of bin Laden.

That doesn't matter though, because George Bush is evil!

Silver Crusade

Aberzombie wrote:
Yeah! George Bush is Evil! He's worse than Stalin! Worse than Hitler, Che Guevara, Pol Pot, Mao, or that creepy little dude who runs North Korea (seriously, have you seen that dudes hair). Bush is way worse than those guys who videotape themselves cutting people's heads off, or the foreign leaders who call for the destruction of anyone who practices a certain religion. Worse than the folks who are practicing genocide in Africa too.

As a Bush hater, I will concede that he is probably not as bad as Stalin. Congratulations, your president is less distasteful than a Communist dictator who killed 20 million Russians.

9/11 may very well still have happened if Gore was president. I am confident, however, that Gore would not have responded by invading a completely unrelated sovereign country.

Scarab Sages

Celestial Healer wrote:
9/11 may very well still have happened if Gore was president. I am confident, however, that Gore would not have responded by invading a completely unrelated sovereign country.

You're right. He probably would have banned airplanes instead. After all, from a technical and scientific standpoint, they are some of the biggest sources of pollution around.

And of course Iraq was unrelated - despite documents (cited in the 9/11 commissions report) that linked Al Queda and Iraqi officials - we only invaded Iraq so that George W. Bush could gain revenge for his dad...no wait, it was because we wanted their oil...no, sorry, it was so Haliburton could get all those lucrative contracts...or maybe it was because Bush wanted to try and kick start a new Crusade.


Lol; George isnt that bad; he is no where near as bad as that cigar smoking piece of crap that was in there before; sure, I dont agree with GWB on some stuff and some of these laws are just outright tyranical, but then congress is passing this stuff and judicial review isn't doing jack S either; so you can't blame todays garbage on George. There is no real way to compare him to Stalin, who is estimated to have killed nearly 50 million people in his regime; finding real numbers is very difficult; some estimates are as low as 10 million, some much higher; read any of his stuff; just plain sick; especially since to took a great deal of inspiration from the way our goverment annialated the Native Americans, but still making him still the greatest murderer in human history. Who knows how many Indians were killed but it is not a small number either; personally; I think Andy Jackson was the worst President in US History, but starting from John Adams, it sure didnt take him long to set aside the Constituion to try to get his Imperialistic way.

All this mamby, pamby catering to touchy feely warfare makes me sick. The whole reason that these things go on year after year after year is that everybody seems to want to be desesitized to the horror of the whole thing and will other this talk of Operation this and that they and other surgical euphinisms that they think armies are just another police force.

How much different would your opinion of Bush be if we just went in and depopulated the entire region; hence, end the war. I think it would change; and not for the better. Check your facts; Clinton started more wars and more military operations than all but one other president and that would be Roosevelt. It is all a matter of public record; check it out, then riddle me this; Haiti? Somalia? Beruit? Nicaragua, Honduras? What administration has had more Generals resign for not wanting to send troops into situations unprepared and unsupported? Ever heard of that Afgan place? you know how they got thier seed money? ever heard of opium?

My friends and I have left our blood all over this planet and most of us we not sent by this guy and the reasons were not as obscure and the mission were much less understandable and unsupported.

yeah, he isn't great, yeah he violates our civil contract; but so did everyone else, and he does a lot of things ok in my book.

Hehe, I still like you zombieman and others, just dont understand where your coming from is all.

Scarab Sages

Valegrim wrote:

Hehe, I still like you zombieman and others, just dont understand where your coming from is all.

Sorry Valegrim, I see that I failed my Sarcastic Comment skill check. I am actually much more in line with your thinking than the anti-Bush crowd. Like you, I consider him to be not completely right all the time (hell, who is?), but he's an OK guy. Its politicain in general (especially the life-long kind) that I dislike.


Ah, ***scratches his chin***
these darn glasses of mine; sheesh


Aberzombie wrote: I am actually much more in line with your thinking than the anti-Bush crowd. Like you, I consider him to be not completely right all the time (hell, who is?), but he's an OK guy. Its politicain in general (especially the life-long kind) that I dislike.

Each to their own. I am part of the group who thinks that Bush is an idiot who has the grammar of a five year old and dreams of tyranny.


DMs, PCs, and NPCs are the right way to form a plural. DM's, PC's, and NPC's are all possessives.

I learned this in first grade.

Paizo Employee Director of Narrative

Regarding today's recent posts:

*start rant*

I hate all this left vs right crap.

To quote yet another comedian today, in the immortal words of Bill Hicks..."All governments are liars and murders."

*end rant*

Liberty's Edge

Q-who did the necromantic animation of Fidel Castro? He looks great for an undead!!!


Heathansson wrote:
Q-who did the necromantic animation of Fidel Castro? He looks great for an undead!!!

That would be Phil Stanowicz. He started out getting the dead to the voting booths in Chicago for Richard Daley. He decided that he wanted to get away from the cold, though.


Valegrim wrote:
I think Andy Jackson was the worst President in US History.

I read that King Andy was not as geonocidal toward the Cherokee as he is often painted to have been. Some historians wrote that Congress was actually more culpable for forcing them to Oaklahoma and other parts west.

It was many years ago that I read this and my memory is fuzzy on it. You might be better informed on it than I am.


This is not a very important rant, but I am always puzzled at what would possess a person to wear a T-shirt/cap/bumper sticker/whatever proclaiming their opposition to something that is by definition bad. I'm talking about those people that have shirts that say "Say no to Torture" or "Rape is never OK" or "Racism is Wrong." I mean, I know their hearts must be in the right place but what are they, morons? EVERYONE is against those things, except for certain marginalized individuals and groups who aren't going to be swayed by a fricken T-shirt.

I get confused and enraged, and I always feel like walking up to them and saying (engage sarcasm): "Excuse me sir, but I love racism, and I particularly enjoy rape and being oppressed by faceless corporations. I find your politics disgusting and demand you remove that shirt right now"(sarcasm complete).

My favourites are the anti-war ones. They don't mention any particular war, just, you know, letting you know that war in general is not cool. Well news flash Sherlock, virtually no-one thinks war is a good thing. My dad is a fricken brigadier and he is opposed to war in general. It's by definition bad, and you think you're making some sort of brave social stand but really you're just nominating yourself for the state-the-bloody-obvious awards of 2007.

Gah! Idiots! Maybe I should make a shirt that says "I am opposed to roughly the same things as any typical member of my society." Then they could all buy that and I would be rich.

Scarab Sages

Good Rant! THE POLICE ARE COMING TO PHILADELPHIA ON THEIR REUNION TOUR! BOOYAH! HUZZAH! YIPPEE! There really is a God and today he loves me!

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kahoolin wrote:
Gah! Idiots! Maybe I should make a shirt that says "I am opposed to roughly the same things as any typical member of my society." Then they could all buy that and I would be rich.

I'll take 2. Both medium, one in "slain martyr rouge" and one in "my hands are clean of all wrong doing peach".

FH

Silver Crusade

Azhrei wrote:

DMs, PCs, and NPCs are the right way to form a plural. DM's, PC's, and NPC's are all possessives.

I learned this in first grade.

There's hardly a consensus on that.

Here's an example.

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Aberzombie wrote:
Good Rant! THE POLICE ARE COMING TO PHILADELPHIA ON THEIR REUNION TOUR! BOOYAH! HUZZAH! YIPPEE! There really is a God and today he loves me!

God is just trying to lull you into a false sense of joy so he can drop the hammer on you later.

The Police had to cancel their Philadelphia dates. Sting had to save a large section of the rain forest that has recently been opened up for developement: More on this and how to get ticket refunds at 11.

Hee-hee
FH

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Celestial Healer wrote:
Azhrei wrote:

DMs, PCs, and NPCs are the right way to form a plural. DM's, PC's, and NPC's are all possessives.

I learned this in first grade.

There's hardly a consensus on that.

Here's an example.

Burn!

Open mouth, insert Pseudopod.

Scarab Sages

Fake Healer wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
Good Rant! THE POLICE ARE COMING TO PHILADELPHIA ON THEIR REUNION TOUR! BOOYAH! HUZZAH! YIPPEE! There really is a God and today he loves me!

God is just trying to lull you into a false sense of joy so he can drop the hammer on you later.

The Police had to cancel their Philadelphia dates. Sting had to save a large section of the rain forest that has recently been opened up for developement: More on this and how to get ticket refunds at 11.

Hee-hee
FH

Fie upon thee! Your meager attempts to steal my joy have fallen well short of the mark.

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Aberzombie wrote:
Fake Healer wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
Good Rant! THE POLICE ARE COMING TO PHILADELPHIA ON THEIR REUNION TOUR! BOOYAH! HUZZAH! YIPPEE! There really is a God and today he loves me!

God is just trying to lull you into a false sense of joy so he can drop the hammer on you later.

The Police had to cancel their Philadelphia dates. Sting had to save a large section of the rain forest that has recently been opened up for developement: More on this and how to get ticket refunds at 11.

Hee-hee
FH

Fie upon thee! Your meager attempts to steal my joy have fallen well short of the mark.

The Police have decided that instead of refunding ticket sales that they will enlist the aid of Phil Collins to replace Sting in all future concert dates. More on this developing story to come.


Aberzombie wrote:
Yeah! George Bush is Evil! He's worse than Stalin! Worse than Hitler, Che Guevara, Pol Pot, Mao, or that creepy little dude who runs North Korea (seriously, have you seen that dudes hair). Bush is way worse than those guys who videotape themselves cutting people's heads off, or the foreign leaders who call for the destruction of anyone who practices a certain religion. Worse than the folks who are practicing genocide in Africa too.

Gimme a break. You can always find somebody worse. Son of Sam? He'd be a great president, because Jim Jones was worse, right? The trick is to keep looking for someone better (not that Gore fit that bill at all--I didn't like that guy for some reason, and his Oscar isn't helping).

Scarab Sages

Fakey, try as you might, you cannot bring me down. And on a slightly different subject...man do I need to invest some skill points in ranks of Sarcastic Comment.


Aberzombie wrote:
Yeah! George Bush is Evil!

No. Bush is stupid in that thick sort of Monty Python Mr. Gumby way. Dick is evil. He can shoot people in the face and then have them appologize.

Aberzombie wrote:
He's worse than Stalin! Worse than Hitler, Che Guevara, Pol Pot, Mao, or that creepy little dude who runs North Korea (seriously, have you seen that dudes hair).

None of those people are stupid (well maybe Hitler after the VD).

Aberzombie wrote:
Bush is way worse than those guys who videotape themselves cutting people's heads off,

No. They're about the same neither really gets it.

Aberzombie wrote:
....or the foreign leaders who call for the destruction of anyone who practices a certain religion.

Actually I think he's calling for the destruction of a country that he feels sprang up in his neighborhood under some rather murky circumstaces. But he's about as bad except he hasn't invaded anyone who didn't deserve it yet.

Aberzombie wrote:
Worse than the folks who are practicing genocide in Africa too.

You mean the place that has the real connection to al Quadea? Yeah too bad we can't go help those people.

Aberzombie wrote:
Maybe we would have been better off with Al Gore as President (after all, he did win an Oscar).

And the election.

Aberzombie wrote:
Then we could be focusing on how those damn corporations and SUV drivers (but not the Hollywood crowd and their private jets) are destroying the environment.

So Hollywood contributes more to greenhouse gasses than rest of the population of the US? Do they individually fly their kids to school out there.

I doubt anyone would go after the big corporations. What would their lobby say?

Aberzombie wrote:


And I'm sure that bin Laden wouldn't have been a problem under President Gore, since his former boss was doing an excellent job about that situation.
Quote:

At least he targetted the right country. Course the world doesn't depend on Afgan oil.

Aberzombie wrote:


Of course we can't prove that since Sandy Berger "accidently" stole and destroyed files pertaining to Clinton's handling of bin Laden.

I hate when that happens.

Aberzombie wrote:
That doesn't matter though, because George Bush is evil!

He's just stupid remember. Dick's the Dick.

Scarab Sages

Great Green God wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
Worse than the folks who are practicing genocide in Africa too.
You mean the place that has the real connection to al Quadea? Yeah too bad we can't go help those people.

Actually, we've had a military force in place in the Horn of Africa region since 2002. They work with several area nations in a joint force trying to bring stability to the region. They've had some success, but not were it really counts. As far as Sudan goes, it seems we've been trying to help them since Colin Powell was Sec of State - our mistake seems to have eben working through the U.N.

Great Green God wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
Maybe we would have been better off with Al Gore as President (after all, he did win an Oscar).
And the election.

Yes, of course he did.

Great Green God wrote:
So Hollywood contributes more to greenhouse gasses than rest of the population of the US? Do they individually fly their kids to school out there.

Actually, I think they both get beat out by the number of journalists and entertainment reporters who report on things like Anna Nicole Smith, Britney's shaved head, and how K-Fed or Paris are making fools of themselves this week. Talk about pollution.

Great Green God wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:


And I'm sure that bin Laden wouldn't have been a problem under President Gore, since his former boss was doing an excellent job about that situation.
Quote:

At least he targetted the right country.

You have to be more specific. Bill started military operations in several countries.


Valegrim wrote:
Lol; George isnt that bad; he is no where near as bad as that cigar smoking piece of crap that was in there before; sure, I dont agree with GWB on some stuff and some of these laws are just outright tyranical, but then congress is passing this stuff and judicial review isn't doing jack S either; so you can't blame todays garbage on George.

Sure you can. Who has shoved all those judicial reviewers down our thoats for the past six years? Which sets of Congress never once questioned the the President. THE POLITICAL HEAD OF HIS PARTY. Who lied to us about Iraq? I mean mistakes I can see. Lied to us about a war we didn't need to fight? That's a bit bigger in the grand sceme of things right? You know we could be helping stop that genicide right now or maybe even searching for Bin Laden but really why do that, right it was only 3,000 people. You know people with families and friends and stuff....

Hey! Is that a lobbiest writing a law?!?!

Valegrim wrote:
There is no real way to compare him to Stalin

Right. No, facial hair. I wasn't really comparing in the initial post either. Miss Wolrd Dictator sounds like a great poll topic though.

Valegrim wrote:
All this mamby, pamby catering to touchy feely warfare makes me sick. The whole reason that these things go on year after year after year is that everybody seems to want to be desesitized to the horror of the whole thing and will other this talk of Operation this and that they and other surgical euphinisms that they think armies are just another police force.

Yep. Course we could have just left Iraq alone. Why not invade Somolia or Malaysia where we knew al Quadea had cells? Rather than a place were a guy talked to a guy. Hey, we could have invaded ourselves with that sort of connective info.

Valegrim wrote:
How much different would your opinion of Bush be if we just went in and depopulated the entire region; hence, end the war. I think it would change; and not for the better.

Could have just left it alone. You can't give people independance they have to want it enough to fight for on their own. It may have take years and misery but it would it have happened without quite so much death I'd be willing to wager.

Valegrim wrote:
Check your facts; Clinton started more wars and more military operations than all but one other president and that would be Roosevelt. It is all a matter of public record; check it out, then riddle me this; Haiti? Somalia? Beruit? Nicaragua, Honduras? What administration has had more Generals resign for not wanting to send troops into situations unprepared and unsupported?

Okay is Clinton still President? I was talking about the present. You know the place where we can still make a diffense. Sure we've gotten ourselves into a needless war that killed thousands of poeple, but remember when that other guy had an affair! Whoah baby! How about all those retiring generals today? How about the fact Clinton's military operations were tiny (in pretty much every respect) compared to what we got now. I'm not voicing a popularity contest here though I would take Clinton or Bush Senior (you know the guy who showed restraint in the face of his policial rival Rummey) or even Grant (I know his administration was one of the most corrupt ever and that he's dead, but still) over the current sputtering odiferous spastic watery-direhea and ringworm-filled, hemroid-laden colan we have today.

Butt that's just me.
GGG

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