Actually that would be tres cool. I know that when I bought Mutants and Masterminds 2e, I picked up both the Limited Edition Red Book and the regular one for my friends.
I'd be willing to pay more for a Boxed Set, especially as I loved SCAP and my only complaint is that it is a pain to jump back and forth through for stats. (Thanks for the map booklets though).
In any case, HC or Boxed Set, make mine wormfilled.
I'd vastly prefer a boxed set with everything but would find a harcover with CD acceptable as well, though honestly I'll take whatever since I missed that this was coming and have only a few issues and really want to run the campaign without having to dig up issues and run with many magazines left open and hanging around.
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We'd love to print Age of Worms as a campaign... but at this time we have no plans to do so. Before we can print it as a book or boxed set, we need permission from Wizards of the Coast to go ahead with the project and we need the manpower and time and resources to put it together. At this point, none of these factors are ready to go, so there certainly won't be any Age of Worms products this year.
And as for a boxed set... I shudder to think what we'd have to charge for one that does the campaign justice. I'm not sure the world of D&D is ready for a $200 product...
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(...)And as for a boxed set... I shudder to think what we'd have to charge for one that does the campaign justice. I'm not sure the world of D&D is ready for a $200 product...
If you already know what a boxed set would cost, you surely have thought about it and now are just checking how the answers to the $200 will turn out. ;)
An option would be, telling the world what a boxed set would contain, and then (if the content is alright) let us decide if $200 are too much for us or seem a fair price.The upcoming Ptolus cost €85, contains over 700 pages (all in all) and has a CD-Rom with another 350 pages worth of content.
If you charge $200 for a AoW-boxed set, it must be awesome!
And as for a boxed set... I shudder to think what we'd have to charge for one that does the campaign justice. I'm not sure the world of D&D is ready for a $200 product...
I won't be buying an "Age of Worms" hardcover for the same reason I haven't bought "Shackled City" - I have the magazines, and there's not enough new material in the compilation to justify the expense for me. (Although I will recommend "Age of Worms" to anyone who will listen, as I think it may be the best D&D campaign that will ever be published. And I'd hate to be in your shoes at the moment, having to figure out how to follow it.)
But I would pay $200 for the right product. It would have to be something spectacular, and would have to be a product that I knew I would use heavily. To date, only the three core rulebooks and "Shackled City" have seen sufficient use to justify that. (So, I would pay $200 for an Adventure Path product like "Shackled City" or "Age of Worms", just not for those specific Adventure Paths.)
I know Necromancer Games are going to struggle to break even on their Wilderlands Boxed Set and on the 3.5e boxed set for their Rappan Athuk mega-dungeon, and those are priced around the $70 mark (not sure what that translates to in good old Pounds Sterling, but I know I can't [u]really[/u] afford them).
I would probably pick up the Age Of Worms HC: I read The Whispering Cairn and thought it well done, but decided against getting all the magazines.
Anyone wanting maps can, of course, use the Paizo Downloads from the individual Dungeon Mag online supplements which will give added usefulness. That might obviate the need for a CD to be included.
I am in agreement with the general tone of the discussion here, that an AOW Hardback would be great. I for one would love to pick up a Hardback AOW. I stopped collecting the invividual issues of Dungeon on faith that a HB would be in the wings. And I agree, though SCAP is a great piece of work, what I've seen of the AOW is far superior.
Vote for a AOW HB? Definate yes! Released as a boxed set? Though I love the old boxed sets, (and admittedly, they are a lot easier to use), I can appreciate how costly they are. (So guy's, IMHO, don't get your hopes up on an AOW boxed set).
Lets wait and see what (if anything) the guys at Paizo come up with. If it's another 12 to 18 months before an AOW release, no problem. I'm more than happy to wait if I have to.
To the guys (and girls) at Paizo: Keep up the good work, and looking forward to Savage Coast.
I will preorder AOWHC when possible.
They can just include the modules and dedicated articles.
The maps should be attached with the clear tacky stuff
so they can be easily removed.
Handouts and counters can be linked by including the web
addressess or including stuff on a computer CD.
Note that RPGenius includes disclaimers that everything is
still the property of Wizards of the coast.
AOW minis may be included in future mini lines.
You know, Spawn of Kyus, Worm Nagas, Half OgerThugs,
Seeker Wizards, Kyuss Avatars, ect.
Death Catapillars are too big unless there is another Giants line.
Haven't read the entire thread so apologies if this has been mentioned.
It would be great if Paizo released all their APs in a hardcover format. However, I can understand their hesitation to do so and not just because it's costly to produce.
Bringing out an AoW hardcover to follow the SCAP suggests that ST will also follow. The knock on effect of this could be that sales of the mag may fall as people await the hardcover release of this new AP, which would include errata and extras as a matter of course. Not all readers of Dungeon are as dedicated as some and it would be madness for the mag's team to put their increasing sales in jeopardy.
That said, I would love to have hardcovers of all the APs as they can sit on my shelf awaiting the right time to be played, be it 5, 10 or 15 years away. :)
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Not being a regular subscriber to Dungeon/Dragon (The only issue I've bought of either actually is Issue 300 of Dragon) I didn't hear of SCAP until a friend started running AoW (that didn't go very far). I borrowed his issues to start running it and at first I too balked at the $60 hardcover price.
I just got my hardcover today (thank you national guard =p) and I feel I got every penny's worth. I'm on Zenith now with my group and probably won't get finished with the campaign until next summer, at which time I really hope to see AoW as a hardcover out there =).
And then, by the time I finish AoW, I hope to be getting the Savage Tide hardcover ;)
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With Shackled City, I bought all the magazines and so decided not to purchase the book. I've taken a different approach with AoW. I have stopped buying the AoW Dungeon issues because it takes a long time for my group to get through an adventure (we meet rarely) and I'm holding out for a hoped-for hardcover. Just so Paizo & WotC know that there are those all primed to buy a hardcover were it to be published.
I just plopped down over $75 for the back issues so I could complete AOW and I will still buy the Hardcover/Boxed set when/if it comes out.
Actually, I keep buying the magazines.
1: I need the cartoons. I live for cartoons.
2: Individual stand alone modules can be very useful.
If you have more than 4 PCs you need extra adventures to stay
up to or ahead of the APL.
3: It sure beats buying two books so you don't have to keep
flipping back and forth. Combat is hard enough to DM!
I'm not sure the world of D&D is ready for a $200 product...
Au contraire, mon frair.
The D&D world is indeed ready for a $200 product: see the Ptolus Hardcover + CD-Rom + Handouts + Poster maps... from Monte Cook.
Utak gets out his credit card.
Paizo, here is some incentive to show how badly I want an AOW hardcover (or boxed set).
Now keep in mind, I have just under 3 years left in my Dragon Sub. & just under 2 years left in my Dungeon sub.
As soon as the AOW HC is announced, I will preorder. Also, I will re-up both mags for 3 years.
cha-ching!
Now, how about that hardcover.
Once again, great job to you all
Utak
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For the 5th time, I want my AoWHC! I pledge to re-up my subs for 3 years when I place my pre-order as well. This AP will always be dear to me(even though the group is finally just getting ready to begin TFOE) because it actually helped me discover the world of greyhawk again. It is also fun to see the locations on the giant world of greyhawk map. I never realized just how many of those early AD&D modules that I played as a grom, were actually set in the wonderful world of greyhawk. This AP also brought our original group back together after a 9-10 year hiatus, so I feel like I owe Paizo a huge thanks and a pat on the back. Did I mention that all of us on these boards really, really want a HC?!?!
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A very interesting thread. I personally didn't buy the SCAP hardcover as I had the Dungeon issues. I also gave up on the SCAP as a campaign (I was DM'ing) as I ultimately found it degenerated into a series of dungeon bashes, and it didn't really thrill me that much. Most of the fault was mine, to be fair, as I didn't do the work necessary to make the setting breathe, and that was probably a factor of my relative inexperience as a DM in running a big, continuous campaign.
That said, I have heard good things about the SCAP hardcover, including updates to 3.5E, extra background, a bonus adventure and so on. The Adventure Path idea is great - kind of obvious in a way, but I suppose it took a lot of faith to take the risk to fill up the magazine with content from just one campaign.
The SCAP was an experiment and a "first cut" in the magazine, and has presumably been tidied up and polished a lot more in the hardcover version. The AoW is, in my opinion, a much better campaign in every way (lessons learned, I guess) and so would be a great product, from a gamer's perspective, in a hardcover format.
Most gamers these days are adults with jobs and family lives, and it is not easy to find the time to create a good homebrew campaign and keep it going. I would suggest that the risk to Paizo in issuing the AoW hardcover would not be great given (1) the good reviews of the SCAP hard cover and (2) the really good vibes coming from the AoW as a campaign. They may not fly off the shelves, but they will probably sell well for years as they fill a niche that WotC has not been willing to. Plus, of course, the AP campaigns are very high quality products - created with love and attention to detail.
I probably wouldn't buy a hardcover unless I seriously intended to use it and I thought it added much more than the magazine version - I subscribe to Dungeon for a reason. But most I am the only member of my group who subscribes to either Dragon or Dungeon, so there is plenty of market out there.
Personally, I would favour a hardcover book - you always lose bits from a boxed set, I bet the production costs are higher, and they go tatty qite quickly through use. Just my view.
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According to Monte Cook's site the Ptolus book sells for $119.99 US and includes the 672-page deluxe hardcover book with poster, handouts, bookmarks, and a CD-Rom. If Paizo could throw the same deal at us, I would pick it up without hesitation. If a $200 US Age of Worms boxed set came out, again I would pick it up without hesitating. However, I understand why most of the gaming community might balk at a $200 price tag. The last thing I want to see is Paizo having financial difficulties because the AoW isn't selling well.
As good as the Shackled City hardcover was, I think the Age of Worms book has to be better. A 404-page hardcover just isn't going to do it for Age of Worms, unless it comes out with a CD with lots of bonus stuff. All twelve adventures, along with developed backdrops, wormfood articles, maps, handouts, and all the extra goodies to incite subscribers to purchase it would require something a bit more spectacular than what we regularly see. I think Monte Cook's forthcoming Ptolus book is a step in the right direction.
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According to Monte Cook's site the Ptolus book sells for $119.99 US and includes the 672-page deluxe hardcover book with poster, handouts, bookmarks, and a CD-Rom. ........ I think Monte Cook's forthcoming Ptolus book is a step in the right direction.
I imagine everyone is looking to see how this sells. It could be a huge success - or a complete disaster (or somewhere in between). I don't know how the economics of this stack up and how big a risk this is for Malhavoc. Let's all hope it works out. (Of course, it might be very expensive simply because it isn't expected to be a volume seller.)
I would pay $200 for a boxed set.I would also settle for a Hardcover.The Adventure Path(whichever) is my reason for subscribing in the first place.I don't have the time to put my own campaign together anymore so a prefab adventure is what I need.I am just starting part three with my group and so far they love it.I imagine at some point in the future I could end up running it again for a different group(my son and friends maybe?)and that is when the HC would really come in handy.
As with everything else in life,I believe firmly in paying for quality.I do not want cheap one night adventures.I want an all-inclusive campaign with all the notes, handouts, and maps you can squeeze into it. Even though I am a subscriber I intend to purchase every AP book or box set that you ever end up releasing.After all, besides the three core rulebooks, what other books do you really need to play the game?
I would pay $200 for a boxed set...
Sadly, I'd quickly pay twice the SCAP hardcover price or more. I'd prefer an AoW hardcover myself, though I can see the advantages of a boxed set.
I might be divorced after I paid that, though :/
Jack
I would pay $200 for a boxed set...Sadly, I'd quickly pay twice the SCAP hardcover price or more. I'd prefer an AoW hardcover myself, though I can see the advantages of a boxed set.
I might be divorced after I paid that, though :/
Jack
Cool! You get to play more!!!
I would pay $200 for a boxed set...Sadly, I'd quickly pay twice the SCAP hardcover price or more. I'd prefer an AoW hardcover myself, though I can see the advantages of a boxed set.
I might be divorced after I paid that, though :/
Jack
1: She wouldn't want half of your D&D stuff. Would She?
2: Normally, She is spending money or squirreling it awayalso. My parents both had their secret money.
3: Get it for a child and let them DM, If you have a kid.
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We'd love to print Age of Worms as a campaign... but at this time we have no plans to do so. Before we can print it as a book or boxed set, we need permission from Wizards of the Coast to go ahead with the project and we need the manpower and time and resources to put it together. At this point, none of these factors are ready to go, so there certainly won't be any Age of Worms products this year.
And as for a boxed set... I shudder to think what we'd have to charge for one that does the campaign justice. I'm not sure the world of D&D is ready for a $200 product...
I understand that I may not represent your typical Paizo customer, but I would pay for a quality product. I have the Shackled City hardcover. I've preordered Ptolus and Rappan Athuk Reloaded.
I bought two of each Dungeon and Dragon covering the Age of Worms (one to keep and one to cut up). I bought a 3" and a 2" D-Ring binder and 4 100-pack page protectors. All of this is well over $250. I painstakingly cut out every adventure, backdrop, web enhancement, and Wormfood, and several Ecologies and other obviously related articles.
Did I mention that I did all of this and got back into DnD after 15+ years because of the campaign journals of Mike McArtor and James Jacobs?
So I'm a freak. Please put me down for an Age of Worms hardcover preorder, please.
PS. I did all of this and my group may never even play it! They're deep into an existing campaign and since they've caught wind of The Savage Tide, that's where we're heading next.
Yup!
Send over a copy here in Italy!
I'll buy everything connected to the APs - no questions asked!
Yup!
Send over a copy here in Italy!
I'll buy everything connected to the APs - no questions asked!
I havent received the final instalment for AOW yet because I am in Australia. However if I knew for certain that there would be a book or boxed set I would stll get the magazines because I cant wait for the book, the AP is high quality and thus reflects well on the magazine quality as a whole & I enjoy the rest of the magazine. I havent bought the SCAP yet but I will. IMO however AOW is a far superior product. It does not have the weaknesses at the beginning and end of the AP + in almost every adventure their is at least one really interesting/challenging tactical combat situation (normally 3 or more) and a roleplaying/interaction opportunity that is well conceived. Plus there are layers, like an onion ;) to the campaign. Frankly what more could you ask for.
BTW I would prefer a big Book (or two), I just like books.
I bought the SC book even though I own all the issues. Why? I want to support Paizo so they keep on truckin' with their excellent work. Plus it'll be handy when I run my group through chunks of it in our homebrew.
Likewise, I will pay cash money for the AoW book/set if they can make it - all in order to keep the goodness coming.
I've been really impressed with Paizo in general, from the story about the guy having his D&D stuff stolen and reimbursed by Paizo to the little card that arrived for my SC AP hardcover.
Keep up to good work!
Well, if you (kind people of the Paizo tribe!) can manage to print a standard hardcover edition, and a small run of deluxe-full-course boxed set, we'll be in a win-win situation.
Sort of a "AoW: the director's cut".Of course I'll take the box, to be on the safe side.
I think you're missing the point here. Volume of a product sold makes the individual price of the project go down. Making two different version of a product splits your consumer base and drives the price of both object up.
While I am hoping the SCAP HC sold well enough to facilitate the creation of a AoW HC, I can't imagine it did well enough to encourage them to significantly increase their production costs by designing and printing two seperate versions of it.
Remember, it isn't just if one person is willing to pay the price of the product (you), it is if a large enough volume is willing to pay for the product that they cover their creation, printing and shipping costs.
Sean Mahoney
Probably they will make the book,
then think about making a box set
if the book is sucessful enough.
It's like dealing with the water elemental,
don't hold your breath!
Did I mention that I did all of this and got back into DnD after 15+ years because of the campaign journals of Mike McArtor and James Jacobs?Booya! :D
Glad my ramblings piqued your interest, DitheringFool. :)
Speaking of which, are we getting any updates soon? Or is the campaign in hiatus again?
The reason I initially didn't buy the SCAP hardcover was because I figured I already had the magazines why bother. Then one day I was in local gaming store and they had it for 50 canadian dollars and I flipped through and said, yeah, Jacobs and Mona did a good job on cleaning this up. So I bought it right there and then.
If I thought that Age of Worms could have a similar facelift (fixing 3 faces of evil, better resolution of balabar smenk etc, more free city colour, more NPC cohort/rival development etc) then I would happily pay 100 us for a hardcover. For $200 US, um, heh, even I would have to pause a sec..
Now, I'm all for bringing back ye olde box set, but at a $200 price point...it had better come with it's own serving wench/brothel girl. Otherwise, an Age of Worms box set is a great idea. It can include lots of handy references, handouts, maps, etc. I love the box sets of old, and I would love to see more of them. It just doesn't seem right when getting into a new published campaign and seeing this huge book, all alone without a box to keep it safe and a few softcover booklets to keep it from getting lonely...*sigh* Dammit, just got hit by Fzoul's Fabulous Flashback!
While I'd prefer a boxed set complete with seperate player and DM materials, I'd settle for a hardcover book if those were my only choices. I hate having to drag a stack of Dungeon mags with me every Friday night...so anything is better.
Also, please don't forget the Wormfood articles from the Dragon, too. I found those to be quite helpful "crunchy bits".
Lastly, I do some PBEM, so as a stretch, could I ask for this in PDF, too? I'd pay extra of course. :-)
I would totally buy an AoWHC as quickly as I bought the SCHC, which is pretty darn quick. I preordered it months in advance from my FLGS. I would prefer a hardcover over a boxed set for ease of transport as I do not always game in my home (wife doesn't appreciate the noise).
The SCHC is my most prized 3e possession on my D&D shelf, even standing up to such luminaries as every single WotC 3e product ever produced!
The little logo in the upper left-hand corner of the magazines that says "100% Official" means that everything we publish must be approved by the friendly folks over at Wizards of the Coast. The same is true of our hardcover products, which must be proposed and approved before work can begin.
--Erik Mona
How different is the proccess for publishing a hardcover than the one for publishing the articles, with reguards to aproval from Wizards? Do you have to start from scratch, or do they take the previouse aproval into concideration? Also, is there anything the fans can do to help improve chances of it eventually being published as a compilation or speed the process?
Everybody is asking for a hardcover, I'm a little different as I use my laptop for all my D&D, I would love to have an Ebook version. Easy to transport, easy to ship, lowers costs all round and good for the environment (Druid pleasing)
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I am not a purchaser of Dungeon or Dragon magazines - because I do not play D&D/d20 - but I have gotten a great deal of enjoyment from ready my copy of Shackled City and I would love to have the opportunity to purchase a copy of Age Of Worms as well. By the time I even heard about the project it was already all-but over - I would not even know what back issues of Dungeon and Dragon I would need to purchase to get the complete series. I just wanted to let you know that I am a buyer if an Age Of Worms book ever does get greenlighted.
Age of Worms can be found in issues #124–#135 of Dungeon; it ran without break over the course of 12 issues. For the foreseable future, this is the only place you'll be able to get the campaign. If we get the approval to produce a hardcover version and if we have the resources in place to do so when we DO get approval... it'll still probably be at least a year before the product sees the light of day.
So for now (and the rest of 2006 and most of 2007), the magazine incarnation of Age of Worms is it. Fortunately, I believe we have a LOT of issues of these 12 down in the warehouse for order on this website.
So for now (and the rest of 2006 and most of 2007), the magazine incarnation of Age of Worms is it. Fortunately, I believe we have a LOT of issues of these 12 down in the warehouse for order on this website.
Well, since my guys are just finishing Demonskar Legacy in SCAP, and we only play every other Sunday for 5 hours, year end 2007 should be just fine for an AoW hardcover.
Can I preorder now? (PLEASE!!!)
-- david
ok, so we all think a nice hardcover to sit beside our other hardcover would be good.
In the meantime, could we have all the "errata", "fixes" etc as a downloadable pdf?
I did a serach on the messageboards and couldnt find a definitive list of things that were broke, so I started an errata thread. At the mo, there's just the item I posted in there, but I'm only on act 1 at the mo so I'm sure there's more.
Please post to that thread any others you know about to help me out. Thanks.
Just going to throw my 2cp in here.
Eberron brought me into purchasing Dungeon. I'd've already bene a subscriber to Dragon for a few years. I started DMing when Eberron came out and figured it wouldn't hurt to have all the officially published Eberron material.
Now, after a few issues I noticed talk about an Adventure Path. I thought the concept of having one story-arc for an adventurer's non-epic career was great. I got my subscription, waited for The Whispering Cairn, and the rest is history.
At this point, I'm currently running one AoW camapign (the group is currently in the labyrinth of the Faceless One), prepping to run a second AoW campaign with a second group once we finish the Shackled City (We just took down the Beholder Mayor, and the WeeJasian cleric's Half-Dragon zombie is wearing a Vhalantru suit).
I have enjoyed the Adventure Paths thoroughly and would love to have a Hardcover/Boxed Set for the Age of Worms. Now, I know that if it ever is going to be green-lighted then it's still a long ways away. But, I know that showing interest for such a project never hurts it. I would definately buy an AoW compiliation to sit on my bookshelf next to the SCAP (and, here's hoping the STAP hardcover).
Put my vote down for a boxed set. I would truly love to have something as a reminder of all the time and energy that I put in running my character through the AoW, and eventually getting to run it myself.
I imagine everyone is looking to see how this sells. It could be a huge success - or a complete disaster (or somewhere in between). I don't know how the economics of this stack up and how big a risk this is for Malhavoc. Let's all hope it works out. (Of course, it might be very expensive simply because it isn't expected to be a volume seller.)
I'm not sure how much of an indicator for sales of a AoWHC this will be. If it does well then It shows demand for campaign settings I would think. Certianly I'm idly interested in Ptolus but I have an ongoing campaign and don't really need a huge city to campaign in hence I won't buy despite my great respect for Monte Cook as a writer. AoWHC - that I would serously consider.
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I'm not sure how much of an indicator for sales of a AoWHC this will be. If it does well then It shows demand for campaign settings I would think. Certianly I'm idly interested in Ptolus but I have an ongoing campaign and don't really need a huge city to campaign in hence I won't buy despite my great respect for Monte Cook as a writer. AoWHC - that I would serously consider.
Still, even if Ptolus is more of a campaign setting than anything else, it merits consideration because of its price and sheer content. It might sell for $120 US, but I have never seen a product with this much to offer in the 15 years I've been playing D&D. I'm sure many DM's would prefer to shell out $200 on a boxed set that contains the whole Age of Worms campaign with extras, a player's guide, wormfood, a bonus CD, & lots of big fold-out maps than spend $30 on a 200 page book that gets taken off the shelf a few times a year.