...I leave in about 30 minutes for Roanoke to take the Virginia bar exam.
Good luck!
BS in Mechanical Engineering from UW-Madison
RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32
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High School Graduate. I did one semester at Arizona State University working towards a computer science degree, but I really hate math so I gave up on that and did a full year at a community college towards a Business Management degree. Unfortunately, funding ran out and I had to give up the dream and work full time just to keep the car gassed, the electricity on, and the books coming...
My educational high point was graduating highschool. I took enough Community College courses after the Navy to know that college and I are not a good mix.
I'm one of them "doer" types as opposed to a "dicuss" type.
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High school dropout. In the end its not what you know; its who you know that counts.Although it is true that it's who you know that can land you that job, but inevitably, one will find that it's what you know that keeps you in your position.
Thoth-Amon
Knowledge is garnered in many ways. A receptive person can soak up knowledge from many sources. My wife makes a 6 figure salary and has a high school education. Good work ethic, a desire to master any task given to her, and the hard earned respect of her peers has made her a person that has become the "go to" person of said peers.
A person can learn a lot from college but "what you know" isn't usually something learned there. It is usually learned by applying yourself to a task and doing the best job possible with the resources given.I find your statement to be condescending and belittling to people who either couldn't afford college or decided not to attend college for whatever reason. I see alot of multi-degreed college grads making way less than my wife and instead of faulting colleges I fault the people. The desire to do the best job possible is not learned in college. Some people have it and will excel despite any disadvantages. College doesn't necessarily make someone smarter, wiser, a harder worker, etc. it can if a person has the aptitude to excel but to imply that college is what makes someone a better worker is not a belief I subscribe to.
That said, I know many well educated people who absorbed a ton of info from their time in college. I also know some who had no ambition and can barely string together a cognizant sentence that have degrees.
I am not knocking college degree holders.
Please don't knock those with no degree. It is an individual's work ethic that matters, not how many years of education they have.
A slug is a slug whether educated or not.
FH (not a college degree in my household....yet)
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I got a bachelors in finance, long ago, in a recession and couldn't find work in that field. So I bobbled along aimlessly a while, did some National Guarding and the odd bit of this and that, then went for retraining.
I asked my mom the R.N. what there was in the medical field, besides M.D. and R.N. She told me to look into being a Nuclear Medicine Technologist. So I went back to community college, did a 22 month program, and I've been gainfully employed ever since.
I think I had to retool my "what I know" into something somebody with money would give me some of that money for doing.
It just took a while to figure out.
BA - Radio/Television - Harding University
MS - Management - Faulkner University
Lotsa job related (sometimes) schoolin' - United States Air Force
First I got a BS from the US Military Academy. After I got out of the Army, I got an MA in Psychology. After practicing as a licensed counselor for a few years, I got out of that and went and got an Associate's degree in computer programming. As a programmer, I'm making two-thirds more money than I did in counseling. It's been a weird life, job-wise, but it's the only life I have.
I have earned a B.A. (cause I'm a bad ass) in History from the university of Hawaii @ Hilo. I almost double majored in Hawaiian Studies as well. But when they told me my Hawaiian Grandmother, who grew up speaking Hawaiian (She got paddled for speaking Hawaiian @ school when a child) did not speak Hawaiian correctly, I decided I did not need that degree. Idon't need a degree in Hawaiian cause I live it.
I have studied enough D&D I could probably get a B.A. in DMing. Hey if people can get a degree in Rhetoric why not Game mastering.
I have studied enough D&D I could probably get a B.A. in DMing. Hey if people can get a degree in Rhetoric why not Game mastering.
Sign me up for the DM Degree. :P (In Fake Healer's Dream Town, there's probably a school for this.)
Bachelors in English with an emphasis in Creative Writing from the University of Missouri - Columbia.
I'm currently entering my final semester of work towards my Juris Doctorate at the University of Missouri - Kansas City School of Law.
Good luck. At least as a 3L you have survived the worst. Have fun with that pesky little Bar thing. I too am a UMKC grad. Go Roos!!!
At least as a 3L you have survived the worst.(assuming you have a job lined up after graduation)
I didn't realize there were so many fellow blood suckers on the board. Represent!
Sebastian
Agreed, to both statements. Why is it that whenever the economy takes a hit everyone goes to law school? Job market in Missouri is a little tight, except for St. Louis. On to the purpose of this thread...
B.S. Political Science with and emphasis in International Relations-Missouri State University
One year of working towards an M.A. in International Relations-same school.
J.D. University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Law
I have had 3 jobs since graduation in 2002. First at a private firm representing insurance companies. Second at the Missouri State Public Defender's office. Third, hung my own shingle, and work for myself now.
I didn't realize there were so many fellow blood suckers on the board. Represent!
Sebastian
Represent?
Who? What's the case?
Third, hung my own shingle, and work for myself now.
Good luck with that!
The idea of opening my own practice scares me ten times as much as any bar exam ever could.
I have a friend who did so and is doing really well. In fact, she was in thr bottom 10% of our class and has been hiring people from the top 10% for her legal scut work.
And kudos to you for working for the State Public Defenders. I did some PD work while I was in private practice last year. Some of it was frankly uplifting. The rest was wondering whether my cracked out drunk client was going to knife me or whether he'd go for the Assistant District Attorney first....
B.A. in Art 1989
B.A. in English 1990
High School Diploma in 1996
High School Diploma, some college but unfortunatly no degree. Eventually I will go back and get my BS in Chemistry and/or Biology. I would love to get a PHd in Molecular Biology, but that may be just a pipe dream. Right now I work for Ma Bell and I am making more than all of my friends.
Fake Healer, you are right that having a degree does not mean anything. I am living proof of that as are some of my friends. The degree helps, but is not required.
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I have studied enough D&D I could probably get a B.A. in DMing. Hey if people can get a degree in Rhetoric why not Game mastering.Sign me up for the DM Degree. :P (In Fake Healer's Dream Town, there's probably a school for this.)
I love it when my dreams take root in other peoples' heads.....maybe someone will take it and make it grow. BTW, Lilith did you apply for the Paizo position?
And to clarify, Sharoth, I didn't say a degree doesn't mean anything. I stated that hard work and a driven personality are worth more. A hard working, driven individual with a few degrees can rule the world, just like any hard working individual, but with more Knowledge ranks;)
FH
Shoot, my uneducated butt got a job in the law field too. After the last recession I looked into who was still doing well (not welders and fabricators, me, BTW). Law offices and all who worked in them were thriving while many were standing in line or making less. Had to get me one of them office jobs!
Now, I do records and a little legal assisting.
BTW, Lilith did you apply for the Paizo position?
I really, really, really wish I could, but I can't afford to move. Bend is a black hole in many ways and its gravitational pull is mighty.
I graduated from the University of Manchester Institute of Science and Technology (UMIST) with a BSc in Electrical & Electronic Engineering. I've been putting it to good use for the last 15 years designing electrical systems for trains.
And UMIST has vanished, subsumed into the rest of the University of Manchester.
Ha, I am in college earning highschool credit at the same time. Yay for my states board of education! I am starting my senior year in a month and a half. Geez, I feel young. I guess only old fogies read this magazine..
BS in Electrical Engineering from Northeastern University in Boston, Mass, USA. Back in 1970....
Now 32 years with IBM as a Programmer/Engineer.
-- david
B.A. in English here. :)
-The Gneech
Finishing up a masters in Plasma Physics at Montréal University
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High school dropout. In the end its not what you know; its who you know that counts.Although it is true that it's who you know that can land you that job, but inevitably, one will find that it's what you know that keeps you in your position.
Thoth-Amon
Knowledge is garnered in many ways. A receptive person can soak up knowledge from many sources. My wife makes a 6 figure salary and has a high school education. Good work ethic, a desire to master any task given to her, and the hard earned respect of her peers has made her a person that has become the "go to" person of said peers.
A person can learn a lot from college but "what you know" isn't usually something learned there. It is usually learned by applying yourself to a task and doing the best job possible with the resources given.
I find your statement to be condescending and belittling to people who either couldn't afford college or decided not to attend college for whatever reason. I see alot of multi-degreed college grads making way less than my wife and instead of faulting colleges I fault the people. The desire to do the best job possible is not learned in college. Some people have it and will excel despite any disadvantages. College doesn't necessarily make someone smarter, wiser, a harder worker, etc. it can if a person has the aptitude to excel but to imply that college is what makes someone a better worker is not a belief I subscribe to.
That said, I know many well educated people who absorbed a ton of info from their time in college. I also know some who had no ambition and can barely string together a cognizant sentence that have degrees.
I am not knocking college degree holders.
Please don't knock those with no degree. It is an individual's work ethic that matters, not how many years of education they have.
A slug is a slug whether educated or not.FH (not a college degree in my household....yet)
Read my statement again, or better yet, have your wife read it to you. Your wild ASSmptions of what you think i meant just shows you to be an ignorant arse with a huge chip on your shoulder. I was merely pointing out that in many cases, its what you know that keeps you in that position your friend got for you. It's seen all the time. Yes, my statement was a generalization but that doesnt take away from the validity of said statement! PLEASE READ HIS STATEMENT AND THEN MY RESPONSE AGAIN S L O W L Y and in the context in which it was written.
His statement: Cold Steel wrote:
"High school dropout. In the end its not what you know; its who you know that counts."
My reply: "Although it is true that it's who you know that can land you that job, but inevitably, one will find that it's what you know that keeps you in your position."
I was referring to skills here, not degrees. I believe most paizo readers discerned my meaning, save one.
Thoth-Amon
p.s. please put a band-aid on that open nerve of insecurity of yours so we can keep these message boards friendly. I never attacked you nor anyone else, can you say the same? I merely pointed out a common experience that's found with nepotism(look it up). There is a reason after all why most businesses either frown on it or ban it outright.
Good luck with that!
The idea of opening my own practice scares me ten times as much as any bar exam ever could.
Thank you. It frightened me too, frankly, and I won't say the first 6 months or so weren't a little lean, but overall it seems to be ok.
And kudos to you for working for the State Public Defenders. I did some PD work while I was in private practice last year. Some of it was frankly uplifting. The rest was wondering whether my cracked out drunk client was going to knife me or whether he'd go for the Assistant District Attorney first....
Yeah, some of them can get a little crazy. Most of them are basically decent people who do something pretty bad, but I have met a few that were REALLY bad people. Most of the time it was pretty rewarding.
And pat your self on the back for doing a few yourself. The PD systems across the country are in crisis, and its the private folks out there that do a few at a cheaper rate than they would otherwise charge that gives that extra boost to keep them going.
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Read my statement...High school dropout. In the end its not what you know; its who you know that counts.Although it is true that it's who you know that can land you that job, but inevitably, one will find that it's what you know that keeps you in your position.
Thoth-Amon
Knowledge is garnered in many ways. A receptive person can soak up knowledge from many sources. My wife ........
FH (not a college degree in my household....yet)
I apologize if my post seemed like an attack. I never took any personal shots (like "have your wife read it to you" or "a band-aid for you.."). You posted in response to a person who stated he was a high school drop-out and believed it was who you know. Your response was of an opposite stance. I took your meaning to be a negative towards his original statement, and to include his general education (high school drop-out).
The internet is not very good at conveying the small nuances of language and I may have mis-interpretted your intent, but I never made a disparaging remark towards you (if you read my post S-L-O-W-L-Y you will see that).I apologize for mis-reading your intent.
Who attacked who?
FH
Grade 5. Can't wait until high school
My mom helps me with my postings. She can type fast, and spells good.
Grade 5. Can't wait until high school
You are at a cool stage in life. I remember being your age - it was around 2 billion years ago. Back in my day we didn't have nice things like air or water yet - BUT WE STILL PLAYED DND!!
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Grade 5. Can't wait until high schoolYou are at a cool stage in life. I remember being your age - it was around 2 billion years ago. Back in my day we didn't have nice things like air or water yet - BUT WE STILL PLAYED DND!!
Was that before the purplish boxed set with the awful looking dragon on it?
FH
BA Communcations & Management, UNLV. Harvard School of Business, AA Communications CCSN and AS Munitions Systems Technology(USAF). AMMO!!! To name a few.
B.S. Finance 2004
B.S. Mathematics 2004
I am now in school to be an Investment Banker. I plan on retiring when I am 35.
And pat your self on the back for doing a few yourself. The PD systems across the country are in crisis, and its the private folks out there that do a few at a cheaper rate than they would otherwise charge that gives that extra boost to keep them going.
As pretty much everyone has pointed out to me, I am just not mentally set up to do defense work. I had a great time interning in a District Attorney's Office. I love prosecution. Wish there were more jobs there.
That being said, the times that you really feel you have helped people out, either on the defense side or (even) on the prosecution side, you really feel that you have done good.
Grade 5. Can't wait until high schoolYou are at a cool stage in life. I remember being your age - it was around 2 billion years ago. Back in my day we didn't have nice things like air or water yet - BUT WE STILL PLAYED DND!!Was that before the purplish boxed set with the awful looking dragon on it?
FH
Yeah.
Back in my day, we didn't have nice things like boxes. We used hot lava chunks and .410 shotgun shells for dice.
When I was a kid, we didn't have D&D. We had corn cob adventurin' men, and corn cob goblins.
The corn cob adventurin' men would fight the corn cob goblins and then we didn't have dice, so we fought about whether the corn cob men beat the goblins or not.
But WE LIKED IT!
huh?
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huh?When I was a kid, we didn't have D&D. We had corn cob adventurin' men, and corn cob goblins.
The corn cob adventurin' men would fight the corn cob goblins and then we didn't have dice, so we fought about whether the corn cob men beat the goblins or not.
But WE LIKED IT!
Just jokes, like when people say, "I used to have to walk 3 miles to school, uphill in the snow, and 3 miles uphill home. It was tough when I was a kid." Like pioneer kids splitting wood and feeding the hogs before they went to school, and playing with corn cob dolls and stuff.
Our only whine growing up in the 80's was we had Pong and Space Invaders and Donkey Kong instead of PS II or XBOX...|
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Just jokes, like when people say, "I used to have to walk 3 miles to school, uphill in the snow, and 3 miles uphill home. It was tough when I was a kid." Like pioneer kids splitting wood and feeding the hogs before they went to school, and playing with corn cob dolls and stuff.
Our only whine growing up in the 80's was we had Pong and Space Invaders and Donkey Kong instead of PS II or XBOX...
We loaded our games from floppy disks, and not those 3-1/2" ones, we used the 5-1/4" ones and we liked it.
FH
BS in Chemistry (Clarkson U.- Potsdam, NY.)
Doctorate in Pharmacy (Pharm.D., Univeristy of Georgia)
MA in Medieval Metaphysics(Miskatonic Univeristy, Arkham, Mass. No, really!)
Currently practicing in Salem, OR. Had a touch of wanderlust for a while.
I did a double-honours in Bio-Psych and English Lit.