Prince of Redhand vs. The Hateful Legacy --Dungeon 131 Steel Cage Death Match


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Host of Angels wrote:

I vote without a single shred of bias for Richard and the Prince of Redhand.

That I have not seen it or have even the faintest idea about either of the aforementioned scenarios - is a mere technicality. My own love of the English countryside, Wensleydale cheese and my home in Yorkshire are also a complete coincidence and have no bearing on this decision.

God save the Queen, Rule Britannia and huzzah for proper beer.

Your ever obsequious servant

Host of Angels.

Well Hoorah and Huzzah my old entirely unbiased Yorkshire chum! I found myself in sunny Rotherham today in fact. Up Sam Smiths and have a Black Sheep on me!

A pint of John Smiths and a night out in Barnsley for Greg as consolation - Hoorah!

Frog God Games

Once again. I have no idea what he just said.

Frog God Games

Look, I'd be the last guy in the world to spread rumors or start a smear campaign to try and detract from Rich's so-called "adventure", but I know for a fact that he steals blood from winos and sells it to the Red Cross in impoverished, disaster-stricken countries for exorbitant fees (obviously none of which are invested in any sort of creative writing classes or seminars).

Like I said, I'd be the last to start any sorts of vicious rumors, but I'm mostly sure that all of that is true. At least that's what I heard from some guy I don't know.

So down with the Count of Dracula and up with the Thingful...Dangit!!!!

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So Greg, looking at that cover of #131 (which is stunning btw), which adventure do you think it's from hmm?

Hmmm?

Are those worms I see?

By jove he's taken a good swing at it! It's soaring, my goodness its gone for a six! Hoorah for Redhand! And thingful thingacy is out for a duck already! Well hoorah and huzzah!

Rich

First blood to Redhand Sir! First blood I say! By jove, WG Grace and erm, oh you get the idea...


By Jove, is that cricket you're playing at?

GGG


Great Green God wrote:

By Jove, is that cricket you're playing at?

GGG

It sure isn't football. Or American football. Maybe rugby? Silly Brits. ;)

Pip-pip, lads, let's queue up and not form a scrum, shall we?

Frog God Games

So the cover goes to Redhand, does it. Obviously a shallow ploy to shore up a shaky adventure. (Erik thinks to himself, "hmmm...perhaps some nice art can save this wretched thing.")

Anyway, I believe the word we're looking for is "compensation". Kinda' like short guys with tall hats.

At last, the feints and skirmishes are over. With the magazine shipped to subscribers today, the opening volleys have been fired. "The shot heard 'round Issue #131" as it were...oh, perhaps you're not overly enamored of that expression my British friend, hmmm.

So once more into breach, I say, and an end to all this "(The Artist Formerly Known as The) Prince of Rednose" nonsense.

En Garde!!


Richard Pett wrote:
Great Green God wrote:
Greg V wrote:

So there's my two cents. You may now return to your regularly scheduled criticisms...of which I haven't seen nearly enough in regards to Richard Pett yet.

Uh, he probably spells "specter" with the "e" at the end ("spectre"). Oh, nevermind that's the way the Monster Manual has it. Skip Williams would have failed my third grade spelling test too. That's how I used to spell it until I realized I could get better grades if I didn't insist on fighting "the Man". All in all I guess I'm just another brick in the wall.

D@mn you D&D for screwing up my life with your accursed Anglicisms!
Ye Great Green God

'Rumour' would be my bugbear - a bugbear my friend that wears fiendish awakened false teeth! (Hey, that gives me an idea...). Honestly, where does the 'u' go all of a sudden? One quick trip across a pond and it vanishes poor chap, that and all those 'z's suddenly appearing, you don't know the half of it!

And, my triple-g friend, I have noticed a distinct cozyness between you and mr Vaughan - so called author of 'Dreadful Literacy' (Dungeon #131) et all. Do I hear the words mast, hang, and colours charging on the back of a fiendish dire owl-bear!?

Aha - the conspiracy has been unmasked you cad.

Bah! And perhaps you would kindly explain what happened to all those Ts, Es and Ns at the end of "Forgotten!" Or all H-sounds that begin words in certain locales about London. I'm on to your little game. Your your hording those letters so you can spell "THEN" a lot aren't you? Aren't you!

I rest my case.
GGG

Frog God Games

Not for any particular reason other than I believe I'm the last person on earth to receive my issue each month, but has anyone received 131 yet?


Greg V wrote:
Not for any particular reason other than I believe I'm the last person on earth to receive my issue each month, but has anyone received 131 yet?

If you think you have to wait a long time for your subscription copies, try being a subscriber in Australia....

Oh, and so that this post isn't entirely irrelevant, I vote for the adventure by the English bloke... and I also vote for all future Dungeon magazines and D&D products to use real English instead of your American McEnglish. :)

God save the Queen!!!

Contributor

Hoorah and God Bless Rolf Harris!

The English Bloke.


Eremite wrote:

I also vote for all future Dungeon magazines and D&D products to use real English instead of your American McEnglish. :)

Oh come now, the English don't even known what's "real" English from one street corner to the next in London. I mean even the current Doctor Who is Scottish.

Speaking as a native midwesterner it's nice to speak in the current Common tongue.

I would give you my two cents, but I'm Scottish on my mother's side.

G'Day!)
GGG


Richard Pett wrote:

Consider your challenge taken you topiary guardian murdering cad, Prince of Redhand will prevail against...thingy.

And I don't live in Cleveland, I just haven't been well. I actually live in a cardboard box in a bog in deepest highest derbyshire (which, ok can be a bit like Cleveland in the right light) - hoorah and up the queen, I shall take your challenge for merry England - this happy breed of men, this little world, this precious stone set in the sea, this...oh, you get the idea.

Well, as an observer from the grassy plains of Leicestershire, my vote goes to Mr Pett just for being "next-door".

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Orcwart wrote:
Richard Pett wrote:

Consider your challenge taken you topiary guardian murdering cad, Prince of Redhand will prevail against...thingy.

And I don't live in Cleveland, I just haven't been well. I actually live in a cardboard box in a bog in deepest highest derbyshire (which, ok can be a bit like Cleveland in the right light) - hoorah and up the queen, I shall take your challenge for merry England - this happy breed of men, this little world, this precious stone set in the sea, this...oh, you get the idea.

Well, as an observer from the grassy plains of Leicestershire, my vote goes to Mr Pett just for being "next-door".

Hoorah and up...erm...famous leicestershire folk....Gary Lineker! Huzzah!

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GGG wrote:I mean even the current Doctor Who is Scottish...

Ah, but he is awesome as well.


You guys better call a truce... Don't make me go down there!!

Ultradan


Richard Pett wrote:


GGG wrote:I mean even the current Doctor Who is Scottish...

Ah, but he is awesome as well.

I disagree, I think he's fantastic!

Jellybaby?
GGG

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For once we agree me old GGG - stupendous.

Frog God Games

Geez, Rich. Are you calling every gamer in the Commonwealth to chime in here? I think I just saw Paul Revere ride by yelling, "The Red Coats are coming."

Now if we can get some votes from some people beyond your extended family and the people who owe you money, we might get a decent tally here.


Since I haven't seen the issue yet, but did have a chance to read "The Thingful Thingy" or whatever it's called (this thread has definitely muddled the title in my mind) for playtest purposes, I'll enter my vote for Greg. Hopefully this will counter Richard's shameful attempt at getting his family to influence the final numbers. Only very shallow people with low self-esteem would stoop to such a level.

That being said, I have but one last thing to say to Greg: So, little brother, what else do you have in the works?

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BV210 wrote:

Since I haven't seen the issue yet, but did have a chance to read "The Thingful Thingy" or whatever it's called (this thread has definitely muddled the title in my mind) for playtest purposes, I'll enter my vote for Greg. Hopefully this will counter Richard's shameful attempt at getting his family to influence the final numbers. Only very shallow people with low self-esteem would stoop to such a level.

That being said, I have but one last thing to say to Greg: So, little brother, what else do you have in the works?

Scandalous! Shameful! Outrageous!

Frog God Games

Now that my brother has outed me, I guess I should've explained that we're yuan-ti. Of course, I'm pureblood--he's abomination (those little arms of prosthetics).


Greg V wrote:
Now that my brother has outed me, I guess I should've explained that we're yuan-ti. Of course, I'm pureblood--he's abomination (those little arms of prosthetics).

Well, if you're going to let my little secret out, I'm changing my vote to Richard, sight unseen.

Boomer Sooner, damn the torpedos, remember the Maine, and all that jazz.


Ahhhh!!!!! My head hurts, I can't decide. Since I'm not a subscriber, I haven't read 131 yet, but Greg and Richard are some of my favorite Dungeon writers (btw, much love to Tim Hitchcock, Tito Leati, Philip Larwood). Please sway me. I'm easily suggestible.

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Shroomy wrote:
Ahhhh!!!!! My head hurts, I can't decide. Since I'm not a subscriber, I haven't read 131 yet, but Greg and Richard are some of my favorite Dungeon writers (btw, much love to Tim Hitchcock, Tito Leati, Philip Larwood). Please sway me. I'm easily suggestible.

Vote Redhand Shroomy, you know it makes sense.

Rich

Frog God Games

Shroomy wrote:
Ahhhh!!!!! My head hurts, I can't decide. Since I'm not a subscriber, I haven't read 131 yet, but Greg and Richard are some of my favorite Dungeon writers (btw, much love to Tim Hitchcock, Tito Leati, Philip Larwood). Please sway me. I'm easily suggestible.

You're getting very sleepy. Vote "Hateful Legacy". When you awake the mere thought of the "Prince of Redhand" will make you violently ill.

Oh yeah, and you're a chicken.

Frog God Games

Greg V wrote:
(those little arms of prosthetics).

Of course, that should read "those little arms ARE prosthetics". I found a leftover little topiary golem rooting around on my keyboard, so he must've been hitting keys when I wasn't looking.

That's okay Rich, I'm sending your cute little hedge hampster back to you by FedEx. He's scheduled to arrive on Jan 1...and Jan 6...and Jan 14...and Feb 3.

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Greg V wrote:
Shroomy wrote:
Ahhhh!!!!! My head hurts, I can't decide. Since I'm not a subscriber, I haven't read 131 yet, but Greg and Richard are some of my favorite Dungeon writers (btw, much love to Tim Hitchcock, Tito Leati, Philip Larwood). Please sway me. I'm easily suggestible.

You're getting very sleepy. Vote "Hateful Legacy". When you awake the mere thought of the "Prince of Redhand" will make you violently ill.

Oh yeah, and you're a chicken.

Careful there Greg, don't go tryin' to hypnotize Shroomy for

showing me the love.

Tim

Frog God Games

There can be only one--

(to quote some Scottish guy in a movie...I think it may have been Braveheart)

Frog God Games

Okay, Tim. A compromise then.

Shroomy, you are an aquatic psion chicken.


For some reason, I spent the entire weekend scratching at the dirt and waking up my neighbors with excessive clucking. I'm chalking it up to the vast quantities of beer and champagne that I consumed this weekend.

But now I feel the need for a swim. And I feel strange...I'm clearly seeing visions of a GH adventure steeped in obscure Oerth-lore, but I haven't even read my copy of Living Greyhawk Gazateer yet. Perhaps I will write it down, as it is already fully prepared in my mind, and send it into Dungeon tonight.

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Greg V wrote:

Okay, Tim. A compromise then.

Shroomy, you are an aquatic psion chicken.

You're a cold man Mr.Vaughan.

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Tim Hitchcock wrote:
Greg V wrote:

Okay, Tim. A compromise then.

Shroomy, you are an aquatic psion chicken.

You're a cold man Mr.Vaughan.

And a despicable cur to boot. I like the way this thread is going...


Greg V wrote:

There can be only one--

(to quote some Scottish guy in a movie...I think it may have been Braveheart)

Are you sure it wasn't an ancient Egyptian who only looked and sounded scottish? I made the same mistake in the film version Hunt for Red October ("One ping only."). Of course you might also be thinking of the Belgian dude who was supposed to be Scottish. And how did an Australian get to Scotland for Braveheart anyway? Regardless it still beats Kevin Costner trying to act English ("I have a brother?"). The English speaking world truly is divided by a common tongue.

Here we are, born to be kings! We're the princes of the universe!
GGG


Greg V wrote:

So the cover goes to Redhand, does it. Obviously a shallow ploy to shore up a shaky adventure. (Erik thinks to himself, "hmmm...perhaps some nice art can save this wretched thing.")

You are just ticked that your character in the playtest blew up the island, couldn't navigate a row boat, didn't get hit on by the watcher, vaporized the ghoul, and then got poisoned twice and ended up roaming the countryside as some undead abomination. Ahhh the memmories ;-)

ASEO out

Frog God Games

Ha! Well...no that pretty much covers it.

Scarab Sages

Well, I just got my copy of #131 today, so I may now make a half-assed informed decision on this topic. Giving a quick read-through I must say I am impressed all around. Truly these are the fine works of two titans of the industry!

Ricky Potts "Price of RedMan" was an instant classic! A fete with a cavalcade of NPCs that could populate half of downtown Des Moines. Caperings and going's-on such as to make the PCs heads spin! And, the whole addition of a backdrop! Mercy!

But, I have to give my vote and deep respect to Gary Vann and his "Hateful Lego-set". Man! An adventure that forges brave new ground while forging a bridge with Greyhawk history... it's what Mr. Vann is so well known for...among geeks. But really, at the heart and soul of it, it comes down to this... Sentient monkeys and muddy druid mummies! If that's not what D&D is about, I don't know what is. Mr. Vann, you had me at "awakened dire ape ranger".

In the end, though, it is all of us...the humble readers, DMs, and players who win from this worthy competition. As a pair of wise men once said: "This one is dedicated to all of you modern day troubadores out there, and I think I know who you are."

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"But, I have to give my vote and deep respect to Gary Vann and his "Hateful Lego-set". "

Is this a dagger I see before me? Thwarted once by an ape no less! Aargh!

OK I make that 8-1 redhand? Is anyone keeping score?

Frog God Games

Gavgoyle wrote:


Man! An adventure that forges brave new ground while forging a bridge with Greyhawk history... it's what Mr. Vann is so well known for...among geeks.

At last, my life is complete. I am officially well known...among geeks......who apparently don't know my name.

Thank you for that Gavgurgle. By the way, I charge royalties for the use of my initials in people's poster names.

But a vote's a vote. Isn't that right Mrs. Potts? (Be our guest, be our guest, put our service to the test...)

Scarab Sages

Greg V wrote:
among geeks......who apparently don't know my name.

I thought it apropos, especially when you teamed it with Eric's "True Names" editorial. ;)

Frog God Games

I liked it. :-)

BTW, I think your onto something with that Hateful Lego-Set idea. I've got this thing kicking around in my head with a dire flumph. It could be just the missing piece I was looking for.

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Greg V wrote:

I liked it. :-)

BTW, I think your onto something with that Hateful Lego-Set idea. I've got this thing kicking around in my head with a dire flumph. It could be just the missing piece I was looking for.

We could combine this with the 'singular affair of the celestial gas-spore paladin troupe and the dread magenta temple of the wayward sky-bleeders' synopsis I sent you and your harshly rubbished, or erm, maybe not then.

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Richard Pett wrote:
Greg V wrote:

I liked it. :-)

BTW, I think your onto something with that Hateful Lego-Set idea. I've got this thing kicking around in my head with a dire flumph. It could be just the missing piece I was looking for.

We could combine this with the 'singular affair of the celestial gas-spore paladin troupe and the dread magenta temple of the wayward sky-bleeders' synopsis I sent you and your harshly rubbished, or erm, maybe not then.

Not, of course that I would ever considering working with you on anything, just to make THAT point very clear.

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Greg V wrote:

I liked it. :-)

BTW, I think your onto something with that Hateful Lego-Set idea. I've got this thing kicking around in my head with a dire flumph. It could be just the missing piece I was looking for.

flumph jokes!!!! now you're just hating.

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Tim Hitchcock wrote:
Greg V wrote:

I liked it. :-)

BTW, I think your onto something with that Hateful Lego-Set idea. I've got this thing kicking around in my head with a dire flumph. It could be just the missing piece I was looking for.

flumph jokes!!!! now you're just hating.

It's just jealousy Tim.

Frog God Games

Okay, fine...aquatic psion flum...oh wait, already used that line.

Frog God Games

So I get my issue #131 today and I skim through it.

Erik's editorial--superb; the letters--extremely thought-provoking, Monte's column--insightful and immediately useful; Downer, Mt. Zogon, and The Portent--hilarious; the Workbook articles by Mr. Goodall, Hitchcock, and Logue--original and captivating; Mr. William's adventure--delightful; "The Hateful Legacy--I skip this for now, for one does not guzzle a fine wine; and turn to the "Prince of What's-his-name". I, of course, skip over all the dross for which so many trees so nobly and so fruitlessly gave their lives to be printed upon and turn to the author's bio to see if I can come to understand a bit this sad character who so strenuously tries to elicit the approval, nay praise, of the Dungeon reader. And what do I find? A transparent attempt at sympathy and gerrymandering of this contest in the form of shameless plea for support, allegedly from a woman who shares his surname and we can only reasonably conclude is his wife, or sister perhaps? To what depths must a man fall to drag the innocent into the sink of his depravity and force her to plead on his behalf--or worse yet invent a fictional "spouse" to stoop to this level.

Well, my vote-counting-challenged friend, you'll get no sympathy here from the enlightened masses that make up the messageboarders. You'll not find anyone willing to swallow that kool-aid. Shame! Shame I say! I only hope and pray that "Alison" truly is a figment of your demented imagination rather than a living breathing human being subjected to this disgrace. Wasn't there an Alison NPC in "The Devil Box"? I'll have to check and see.

Anyway, nice try my arch-nemesis. Your crocodile tears will get you nowhere. Besides, I hear that it has been unseasonably warm in Derbyshire lately.


Greg V wrote:
So I get my issue #131 today and I skim through it. . . Blah, blah, blah. Lots of big words later. . . I hear it that it has been unseasonably warm in Derbyshire lately.

I must say, your vocabulary has come a long way since our childhood days of "I know you are, but what am I?"

Oh, and I change my vote to Skip's adventure, just because.

Frog God Games

Man, you're seriously ruining my mojo here. I have to write like that to keep up with Rich. My word of the day calendar is smoking. Actually I type it normal and then use my Microsoft tools to switch it from American English to British English, and that's just how it comes out.

And, that's actually probably a wise choice on your part. You'll note nowhere do I claim "Hateful Legacy" to be the best thing in the issue...just better then Rich's "The Prince from Ipenema". (Okay maybe better than the stuff by that Hitchcock guy...just kidding, Tim)

I'm willing to take the crumbs that are offered to me (from which I will build my crumb empire...rise my crumb golems and attack, mwahahaha!)


Greg V wrote:
"The Prince from Ipenema"

Great, now I've got that song stuck in my head.

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