Kobold Deities?


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Are there plans for roughing in a handful of kobold dieties? The absence of Tiamat and Kurtlemak is making my brain hurt.

Asmodeus is an obvious non-reptilian choice, but what about others?

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Xuttah wrote:

Are there plans for roughing in a handful of kobold dieties? The absence of Tiamat and Kurtlemak is making my brain hurt.

Asmodeus is an obvious non-reptilian choice, but what about others?

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You could have them all worship Wolfgang Baur.

;)

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According to Classic Monsters Revisited, the majority of kobolds worship either the dragon gods or nearby dragons. The dragon gods include Dahak, Tiamat, and Apsu, with most kobolds probably tending toward Dahak. Tiamat is in same cosmology as Golarion, though she isn't worshiped all that often on Golarion; there's mention of her on page 61 of Fortress of the Stone Giants. Other deities commonly worshipped by kobolds include Asmodeus and Lamashtu. There's also a society of kobold assassins called the Dragonblood Circle that worships Zon-Kuthon.

Liberty's Edge

Lord Gadigan wrote:
According to Classic Monsters Revisited, the majority of kobolds worship either the dragon gods or nearby dragons. The dragon gods include Dahak, Tiamat, and Apsu, with most kobolds probably tending toward Dahak. Tiamat is in same cosmology as Golarion, though she isn't worshiped all that often on Golarion; there's mention of her on page 61 of Fortress of the Stone Giants. Other deities commonly worshipped by kobolds include Asmodeus and Lamashtu. There's also a society of kobold assassins called the Dragonblood Circle that worships Zon-Kuthon.

Lamashtu and Dahak don't make much sense for kobold dieties. They're CE and kobolds are most commonly LE. Asmodeus is a shoe in, but Zon-Kuthon? That's just wierd. What about Abadar? Any tribal dieties or aspects?

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Xuttah wrote:


Lamashtu and Dahak don't make much sense for kobold dieties. They're CE and kobolds are most commonly LE. Asmodeus is a shoe in, but Zon-Kuthon? That's just wierd. What about Abadar? Any tribal dieties or aspects?

I think the ones that would normally be swayed to Abadar are those that worship dragons (and their hordes) at least in my mind...

Liberty's Edge

Would a kobold tribe that worships a dragon as a god be able to have clerics that cast spells?

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Yes. Clerics are still allowed to worship abstract concepts, so such a cleric (while focusing specifically on the neighborhood green or blue dragon) could venerate (chomatic) dragonkind, pick appropriate domains (Scalykind and Evil, for instance), and be granted spells by Tiamat, Dahak, and other dragon deities behind the scenes.

Also, Adepts, Sorcerers and Druids can all fill the same shaman role, without needing such a power source.


Ross Byers wrote:
Also, Adepts, Sorcerers and Druids can all fill the same shaman role, without needing such a power source.

That's a good point.

An alternate explanation is that there is a kobold god. He, she or it is a child of one of the dragon gods. A puny mutant compared to the other dragon gods who was cast out, never to be spoken of, abandoned to die in the screaming wilderness. But the godchild lived, cared for by kobolds (or so goes the myth), who never speak of the one they saved. Now the Saved One, grown into full power, lurks in the secret tunnels, worshipped silently and secretly by the kobolds. Some day, the Saved One will lead them all onto the surface, where they will taunt the larger races into following them down into dark and final doom. Plus traps.

Or something like that.

Shhhh.

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varianor wrote:


Some day, the Saved One will lead them all onto the surface, where they will taunt the larger races into following them down into dark and final doom. Plus traps.

And 'splosions. Kobolds love'em! Great idea though!

I mean...shhhhh! >:)


Lord Gadigan wrote:
According to Classic Monsters Revisited, the majority of kobolds worship either the dragon gods or nearby dragons. The dragon gods include Dahak, Tiamat, and Apsu, with most kobolds probably tending toward Dahak. Tiamat is in same cosmology as Golarion, though she isn't worshiped all that often on Golarion; there's mention of her on page 61 of Fortress of the Stone Giants. Other deities commonly worshipped by kobolds include Asmodeus and Lamashtu. There's also a society of kobold assassins called the Dragonblood Circle that worships Zon-Kuthon.

Where do you find Tiamat? I'm only seeing Dahak and Apsu. The little buggers could have a twisted way of worshiping Apsu.

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Dragons of Golarion: The Myth and the Flame wrote:


Thereafter, Apsu returned to his mate, ready to demand why she had aided their treacherous son. Yet, instead of the formless salt sea, he found and angry being in a monstrous dragon form, many-faced and writhing the the countenances of seemingly all she had created. His beloved opposite had given herself a name, and to this day its sound pains all dragons.

“I then am Tiamat,” she said, “for I am mother of all. You have failed, Apsu, and my children have met death. I shall never forgive you.” With that, she lunged at the fatigued Apsu, biting and scratching and tearing him until he could stand no more. Even as the last of his strength bled away under her terrible claws, he allowed himself to fall from his primeval realm to the Material below.

That’s the only time I’ve seen the books use Tiamat’s name. It’s the two paragraphs before the last one on page 61 of Fortress of the Stone Giants. It also says later in the piece that Golarion is “far from his fickle mate,” meaning that Tiamat, like Orcus, probably isn’t worshipped much on Golarion proper at all.


Ah! Thanks.

Yeah, without a LE Tiamat, kobolds are left in an odd situation, caught between LG Apsu and CE Dahak. That in its self could be interesting, if kobold worship broke down in some sort of conflict between the two of them, or in some attempt for the little guys to either stand aloof from their conflict or to try and play one side off against the other, with LN clerics of Apsu and NE clerics of Dahak. Or maybe Golarion kobolds just aren't particularly religious.

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Lord Gadigan wrote:
Dragons of Golarion: The Myth and the Flame wrote:


Thereafter, Apsu returned to his mate, ready to demand why she had aided their treacherous son. Yet, instead of the formless salt sea, he found and angry being in a monstrous dragon form, many-faced and writhing the the countenances of seemingly all she had created. His beloved opposite had given herself a name, and to this day its sound pains all dragons.

“I then am Tiamat,” she said, “for I am mother of all. You have failed, Apsu, and my children have met death. I shall never forgive you.” With that, she lunged at the fatigued Apsu, biting and scratching and tearing him until he could stand no more. Even as the last of his strength bled away under her terrible claws, he allowed himself to fall from his primeval realm to the Material below.

That’s the only time I’ve seen the books use Tiamat’s name. It’s the two paragraphs before the last one on page 61 of Fortress of the Stone Giants. It also says later in the piece that Golarion is “far from his fickle mate,” meaning that Tiamat, like Orcus, probably isn’t worshipped much on Golarion proper at all.

She is also mentioned in brief in Gods and Magic, under the Scalefolk Gods, page 52 ;)


I concur with kobold druids. They're a lot of fun as opponents.

Liberty's Edge

I just got the Guide to Darkmoon Vale and I like the idea of worshipping local dragons as gods. The ones in the area certainly make interesting options. :)


That makes sense to me. When you're scrawny little runts, you're more likely to be concerned with the god(s) nearby than the bigger gods far away.


Lilith wrote:
I concur with kobold druids. They're a lot of fun as opponents.

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I've run 2 instances of the same Kobold now and have had a blast BOTH times! The first was a 2E Kit of sorts, think it was called Beast Rider(no small weapons in 2E, much more viable). *shrugs* He was for all intents & purposes a Halfling Outrider("Races of the wild"), but Kobold and on a Boar.

The second was more recent and 3.5E, a Druid/Wizard. Animal Companion/Mount Boar, which remarkably used almost identical rules to the lastest Pathfinder Animal Companion update. I referred to the theme as "Master Blaster"(Ref: Mad Max Beyond the Thunderdome). Ever see an Enlarged Boar with Powerful Charge & Improved Natural Weapon? It ROCKS! He was headed for Arcane Heirophant.[/off topic]

My kobold druid was 3.5E, so it likely doesn't apply, but he was a worshiper of "Io". He was of Brass Dragon decent and Lawful Neutral, with an extensive background story on how/why he was ousted from kobold society.

EDIT: grammar correction, thanks Cappa :D Though his purposes just may have been quite intensive! LOL! *needs sleep*

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Daniel Moyer wrote:
He was for all intensive purposes

For all intents and purposes.

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