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Announced! Product image and description are not final.Is this a change from the usual maps assortment?
Trunau - check
Frost Giant village - check
Mindspin Mountains - ?No Belkzen map?
The majority of the Adventure Path takes place in the Mindspin Mountains. It only begins in southern Belkzen before working its way into the mountains.
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The majority of the Adventure Path takes place in the Mindspin Mountains. It only begins in southern Belkzen before working its way into the mountains.Announced! Product image and description are not final.Is this a change from the usual maps assortment?
Trunau - check
Frost Giant village - check
Mindspin Mountains - ?No Belkzen map?
Yes i understand that, but it is a change from the norm as the map folios from the last 8 Adventure Paths always contained an overview of the nation it took place in.
This way we get a more detailed map for the AP but not one for the Hold of Belkzen.
I would like more AP-specific flip-mats but if i have the choice between a zoom-map of a mountain region and a player oriented one for Belkzen i would choose the later.
Thanx for your answer anyway Adam. :-)
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The majority of the Adventure Path takes place in the Mindspin Mountains. It only begins in southern Belkzen before working its way into the mountains.Announced! Product image and description are not final.Is this a change from the usual maps assortment?
Trunau - check
Frost Giant village - check
Mindspin Mountains - ?No Belkzen map?
Are locations like the Temple of Minderhal and the Kingdom of Kragnaroth marked on the map of the MMs or is it a Player-oriented map?
I hope it is not unlabled as the map folios of the Shackles and Osirion - those are unusable (and needed to be replaced by the ones in "Plunder & Peril" and People of the Sands").
Thx for your time Adam. :-)
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I am looking forward to seeing the frost giant village map. I drew the original.
Forgive me, this is a MICRO SPOILER, but the village is not on a flat plateau, so I drew it isomorphic style. Different height elevations are a terrain feature. I really hope it comes out well as I think it will be an exceptional and practical player aide for PCs to strategize and plan raids.
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It's truly beautiful.
(Your original was badass too!)
YAY!
Is this stuff in the AP subscription?
It's in the Campaign Setting subscription.
So the Jim Groves map is not in the Adventure Path stuff?
Does this come as a pdf too here?
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So the Jim Groves map is not in the Adventure Path stuff?
Does this come as a pdf too here?
The adventure contains a "normal" top-down map of the plateau, since those tend to be more useful to GMs trying to draw maps on a battlemat or flip-mat. The isomorphic map is only in the Poster Map Folio.
Thanks^^
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I all but fainted when I saw this.
I drew (graph paper sketch) the isomorphic map depicted. That is beyond my wildest expectations. Not to be a salesman, but I consider that map to be a must have for Chapter Four.
To be clear: There is a perfectly serviceable traditional top down map in the adventure. It shows the elevations, but this would be an awesome in play aid for players who wish to devise raids and plans in advance.
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I all but fainted when I saw this.
I drew (graph paper sketch) the isomorphic map depicted. That is beyond my wildest expectations. Not to be a salesman, but I consider that map to be a must have for Chapter Four.
To be clear: There is a perfectly serviceable traditional top down map in the adventure. It shows the elevations, but this would be an awesome in play aid for players who wish to devise raids and plans in advance.
Great map Jim - i´ll buy it! :-)
So - Giantslayer is the first AP I am running, and I am relatively unfamiliar with the contents of any other Map Folio product type. Perhaps my expectations were unrealistic, but I was hugely disappointed with the product. I only purchased the .pdf - as a hard product, I can totally understand the multiple ways these could be leveraged. I am choosing this option to voice my opinion rather than the review section, because I do not know if my critism is fully warrented, and do not want to sway others as there are no other reviews at this time. As I saw contributors here, I thought perhaps discussion was more productive than a review....
The maps are meant to be poster size, which as a hard product is useful, but as a .pdf file - my computer screen doesn't get any bigger, so onscreen they are really just maps in .pdf form. Zoom in/zoom out, it is all the same to me. I realize that they may be better for table top games and they are well done (Jim Groves - the village map is really, really cool, and beautiful. My dissatisfaction is no bearing on the quality of the images!)
As for the product itself...there are 3 maps...
A map of Trunau... The Battle of Bloodmarch Hill and the FREE players guide have this map minus the fancy legend and are just as serviceable-
The second is a regional map which would have been more useful when starting the adventure to figure out where Trunau is, but looking at the Belkzen map and Towns of the Inner Seas I already had the important details covered. Usefulness, minimal.
Finally, the isometric map... beautiful and may or may not prove useful, to be honest I have not gotten that far. So in fairness I will say that at a minimum it is a very cool piece of art, and reserve judgement on its value as a map.
That said - I expected a Map Folio for an AP to contain all the maps in one file, maybe with a draft of a map or two that didn't make the cut into a AP product as a bonus. I really do not see any value for myself in the .pdf version. For me this product was a total waste of money, and almost a total disappointment. I am sure there are people that print their own, or use projectors, etc that can draw value from this product. I can understand the product as a stand alone - it just fell so far short of what I expected for the price. I think that AP Map Folios should contain all the maps published with the AP - not necessarily as poster size.
From a business standpoint providing the complete map set seems like it would be better - based on what I received, it is likely that an overwhelming percentage of those who purchase the Giantslayer AP Map Folio would be playing the AP, so providing the maps they already paid for plus this poster set should have minimal printing cost and most players/GMs love maps - it is possible that groups would pick up the folio just for some extra maps, which in turn may lead them to purchase the AP because the maps seemed interesting.
They used to produce map folios which included (nearly) every map from the AP. I personally found those great, however there were a lot of complaints each time one rolled around (many people dropped their subscriptions to skip the map folio, then resubscribed right afterwards). The feel was that such a folio was selling us material we had already bought.
The current model of a few poster maps thematically tied to the AP but not actual replicas of maps within the AP started with Serpent's Skull really (Kingmaker was a special case) and were widely seen as a big improvement.
BobROE - Thank you, I wasn't aware those product options existed, I looked at those products, that is closer to what I was expecting from the Map Folio.
Steve Geddes - Your input based on market response makes a lot of sense and paints a clearer picture of the product option.
However - the Trunau map IS a replica of the town map already available, and the isometric map is (based on earlier posts) pretty similar to the traditional top down campaign map, so it seems there is still significant duplication - at least with this particular product.
I still beleive that the Map Folio would be better positioned as a paper only product - and have the Map Folio and Interactive Map .pdf be companion pieces.
Thank you both for the responses.
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BobROE - Thank you, I wasn't aware those product options existed, I looked at those products, that is closer to what I was expecting from the Map Folio.
Steve Geddes - Your input based on market response makes a lot of sense and paints a clearer picture of the product option.
However - the Trunau map IS a replica of the town map already available, and the isometric map is (based on earlier posts) pretty similar to the traditional top down campaign map, so it seems there is still significant duplication - at least with this particular product.I still beleive that the Map Folio would be better positioned as a paper only product - and have the Map Folio and Interactive Map .pdf be companion pieces.
Thank you both for the responses.
For what it´s worth - i think you are absolutely right when you say these make no sense as PDF´s - at least not for a price of $13.99.
I buy them in paper format because they are beautiful when on the table and of great use for players.Also they show a significant part of Golarion when including a country map (this one is one of the few ones that does´nt).
The product that you need is the "Pathfinder Adventure Path: Giantslayer Interactive Maps PDF" for $14.99.
As these PDFs are available 2 to 4 month after the last installment of the AP is out, you should get it between september and november this year.
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Nice maps. I especially like the big regional map of the Mindspin Mountains. Which gave me an idea...
What if each of these AP poster map sets came with a regional map at the same scale? Someone at Paizo could grid out Avistan (I wouldn't even mind if the adventure areas were a little off center and not 100% the focus of the map), and little by little we start getting close up maps of the continent that would eventually fit together to form a massive, high-detail map of Avistan and the Inner Sea!