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The print version has been moved from Preorder to Backorder on paizo.com. However, because we are in the middle of generating orders, the option for Backorder is temporarily unavailable.
We will be getting the Backorder option back as soon as possible. We apologize for any inconvenience.
Is that a good sign that you ran out of print options?
Also how does that affect those of us that subbed?
The response to Starfinder has been amazing, and we're really excited about its future.
The status change will not impact anyone who is a subscriber, or anyone who placed a preorder before we moved it to Backorder status.
That is awesome
And good deal, didn't think it would mess anything up, but you never know
THANKS!!!!!
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If this were the first part of a Pathfinder AP, the print run would be (roughly) more than 1500 issues, maybe 2000.
With Starfinder i expect the print run to be close to 1000 copies.
What's with the people who ordered this from their local hobby store?
Will they get no copies, because Paizo.com orders are fullfilled first?
How does "backorder" work?
Is that a reprint?
If i (and many other people i know) won't be able to get AP #1 in august or september, my enthusiasm for Starfinder will drop significantly and i may cancel my pre-order for the first AP entirely, because having the rules but no adventure is pretty useless.
I would order the pdf, but as paizo only allows credit cards and not paypal, i'm not able to buy any pdfs. ;-(
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What's with the people who ordered this from their local hobby store?
Will they get no copies, because Paizo.com orders are fullfilled first?
I believe that distributor copies to go into LGSs get their own shipment direct from the printer. I don't know how many copies that amounts to or if it's enough to fulfill the preorders made through local stores.
I believe that, for GenCon releases, there is also a separate shipment made direct to Indianapolis so that there will be some copies to sell at GenCon.
Paizo has just already accounted for all the copies they are receiving in their warehouse of this first shipment.
How does "backorder" work?
Is that a reprint?
I believe so, yes. From Sara Marie's post in the subscription thread, it sounds like they are not expecting new copies of Dead Suns #1 until after #2 goes on sale, at least. Sounds like a new printing to me.
This is all just based on my observation of past Paizo roll-outs; I could be wrong.
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If this were the first part of a Pathfinder AP, the print run would be (roughly) more than 1500 issues, maybe 2000.
With Starfinder i expect the print run to be close to 1000 copies.
What's with the people who ordered this from their local hobby store?
Will they get no copies, because Paizo.com orders are fullfilled first?How does "backorder" work?
Is that a reprint?If i (and many other people i know) won't be able to get AP #1 in august or september, my enthusiasm for Starfinder will drop significantly and i may cancel my pre-order for the first AP entirely, because having the rules but no adventure is pretty useless.
I would order the pdf, but as paizo only allows credit cards and not paypal, i'm not able to buy any pdfs. ;-(
Hey Marco, right now the backorder status only effects orders made through paizo.com, and does not effect the availability through distribution, so folks should be able to pick up through their local game stores without an issue. We plan on fulfilling backorders and subscriptions started after this point starting with issue #1 under the process that Sara Marie, our Customer Service Manager, has outlined in this post.
We would also appreciate folks not giving out numbers for stock levels or print runs for our products. This is not information that we share publicly, and is speculative data that can be potentially confusing to our customers or community members, which can make it more difficult for the webstore and customer service teams to communicate effectively and be seen as official sources of information.
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Thx, Joana.
It would be sad if people won't be able to play Starfinder, because no adventures are available.That would be "A ship without a crew" indeed.
People often run their own adventures, an official Paizo AP is not required to play Starfinder.
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If this were the first part of a Pathfinder AP, the print run would be (roughly) more than 1500 issues, maybe 2000.
With Starfinder i expect the print run to be close to 1000 copies.
What's with the people who ordered this from their local hobby store?
Will they get no copies, because Paizo.com orders are fullfilled first?How does "backorder" work?
Is that a reprint?If i (and many other people i know) won't be able to get AP #1 in august or september, my enthusiasm for Starfinder will drop significantly and i may cancel my pre-order for the first AP entirely, because having the rules but no adventure is pretty useless.
I would order the pdf, but as paizo only allows credit cards and not paypal, i'm not able to buy any pdfs. ;-(Hey Marco, right now the backorder status only effects orders made through paizo.com, and does not effect the availability through distribution, so folks should be able to pick up through their local game stores without an issue. We plan on fulfilling backorders and subscriptions started after this point starting with issue #1 under the process that Sara Marie, our Customer Service Manager, has outlined in this post.
We would also appreciate folks not giving out numbers for stock levels or print runs for our products. This is not information that we share publicly, and is speculative data that can be potentially confusing to our customers or community members, which can make it more difficult for the webstore and customer service teams to communicate effectively and be seen as official sources of information.
Thank you for the info, Chris.
It's good to hear that Starfinder being a sellout is not affecting initial store availability.
The print run numbers are just a speculation on my part from watching your stock blogs, i have no real knowledge about them.
I'll try not to speculate openly about them anymore. :-)
I'm a very avid follower of your stock blogs, as they tell me which print products i need to buy before they're gone, even though i have reached a point where i already have most Pathfinder print products.
Thank you for your relentless great work and have a nice weekend. :-)
Come on subscription!
People often run their own adventures, an official Paizo AP is not required to play Starfinder.Thx, Joana.
It would be sad if people won't be able to play Starfinder, because no adventures are available.That would be "A ship without a crew" indeed.
+1 to this. I all ready have outlined several adventure ideas.
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Wow. The portion of the initial print run reserved for direct orders through Paizo.com (after subscriptions and the stock going to Gen Con for booth sales) is sold out before release?
This is good news for the line. It shows there is even more demand than projected.
Awesome news! So glad I subscribed, I really hope the SFS response is just as good and the release volume gets bumped up to 2 a month!
Will there be a player's guide?
Will there be a player's guide?
From the Department of Expectation Management:
Dead Suns will not have campaign traits (as stated, themes are replacing traits in Starfinder), campaign-specific themes, or a player's guide.
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If this were the first part of a Pathfinder AP, the print run would be (roughly) more than 1500 issues, maybe 2000.
I had to reply to this, because it is possible that somebody might actually believe you and that isn't helpful.
Pathfinder Adventure Path is the flagship product for Paizo. Its subscriber base is what keeps the lights on.
Paizo now has about 60-something full time employees. The majority of those people are involved in creating products for the Pathfinder line, or in servicing those products in some capacity (sales, customer service, shipping, accounting etc.).
If you can figure out on how to pay 60+ full time employees from the gross revenue of a product line where your best selling FLAGSHIP product has a PRINT run of only 2,000 copies a month,(which won't even sell out for a half dozen years) I'd love to hear that accounting explanation. Add up ALL the other products, and realize that every one of them has a print run SMALLER than the flagship you say is only 2,000 copies printed. (We have not even got to numbers sold yet).
You simply can't get there if that is your starting point. Not even close.
If you stop and think this through with a pencil in one hand and a scratch pad in the other, you will realize that you really do not know what you are talking about in the slightest. Which is okay. You aren't in the 1st party RPG publishing business.
What isn't okay is pretending that you do.
As for Starfinder AP, a reaction and purchase orders flooding in for a product that nobody has even seen yet nor has any experience with is a great sign for the health of Starfinder in the short to medium run.
As long as they aren't cannibalizing too many sales from their other products to create this demand, this is tremendous and positive news.
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If this were the first part of a Pathfinder AP, the print run would be (roughly) more than 1500 issues, maybe 2000.
I had to reply to this, because it is possible that somebody might actually believe you and that isn't helpful.
Pathfinder Adventure Path is the flagship product for Paizo. Its subscriber base is what keeps the lights on.
Paizo now has about 60-something full time employees. The majority of those people are involved in creating products for the Pathfinder line, or in servicing those products in some capacity (sales, customer service, shipping, accounting etc.).
If you can figure out on how to pay 60+ full time employees from the gross revenue of a product line where your best selling FLAGSHIP product has a PRINT run of only 2,000 copies a month,(which won't even sell out for a half dozen years) I'd love to hear that accounting explanation. Add up ALL the other products, and realize that every one of them has a print run SMALLER than the flagship you say is only 2,000 copies printed. (We have not even got to numbers sold yet).
You simply can't get there if that is your starting point. Not even close.
If you stop and think this through with a pencil in one hand and a scratch pad in the other, you will realize that you really do not know what you are talking about in the slightest. Which is okay. You aren't in the 1st party RPG publishing business.
What isn't okay is pretending that you do.
As for Starfinder AP, a reaction and purchase orders flooding in for a product that nobody has even seen yet nor has any experience with is a great sign for the health of Starfinder in the short to medium run.
As long as they aren't cannibalizing too many sales from their other products to create this demand, this is tremendous and positive news.
First, i never pretended to know anything about actual print run numbers.
That being said, i watch the numbers sold to subscribers, amazon sale numbers, numbers left in stock and some other things very closely and often and you absolutely CAN extrapolate from these.
I also have some insight in how many issues are orderd for the european market.
That being said, i won´t speculate openly anymore about print run numbers, because i promised Chris Lambertz not too.
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If this were the first part of a Pathfinder AP, the print run would be (roughly) more than 1500 issues, maybe 2000.
I had to reply to this, because it is possible that somebody might actually believe you and that isn't helpful.
Pathfinder Adventure Path is the flagship product for Paizo. Its subscriber base is what keeps the lights on.
Paizo now has about 60-something full time employees. The majority of those people are involved in creating products for the Pathfinder line, or in servicing those products in some capacity (sales, customer service, shipping, accounting etc.).
If you can figure out on how to pay 60+ full time employees from the gross revenue of a product line where your best selling FLAGSHIP product has a PRINT run of only 2,000 copies a month,(which won't even sell out for a half dozen years) I'd love to hear that accounting explanation. Add up ALL the other products, and realize that every one of them has a print run SMALLER than the flagship you say is only 2,000 copies printed. (We have not even got to numbers sold yet).
You simply can't get there if that is your starting point. Not even close.
If you stop and think this through with a pencil in one hand and a scratch pad in the other, you will realize that you really do not know what you are talking about in the slightest. Which is okay. You aren't in the 1st party RPG publishing business.
What isn't okay is pretending that you do.
As for Starfinder AP, a reaction and purchase orders flooding in for a product that nobody has even seen yet nor has any experience with is a great sign for the health of Starfinder in the short to medium run.
As long as they aren't cannibalizing too many sales from their other products to create this demand, this is tremendous and positive news.
Considering that Ruins Of Azlant is the current top seller on Paizo and Starfinder Core Rulebook is number three I probably wouldn't worry about that last part.
As someone that works in a toy store with board games, rpgs, and collectible card games I can say the adult gaming industry is stronger (and faster growing) than people here give it credit for. :-)
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First, i never pretended to know anything about actual print run numbers.
"If this were the first part of a Pathfinder AP, the print run would be (roughly) more than 1500 issues, maybe 2000." sounds like pretending to know actual print run numbers to me.
That being said, i watch the numbers sold to subscribers
This ain't public data. The only thing we know is the rough number of charter subscribers who are still subscribed to PF AP line.
amazon sale numbers
This isn't public data. Sale rankings are, and even those are semi-trustworthy because what's stopping Amazon (or Paizo) from listing something as a #1 bestseller when the publisher pays for that?
numbers left in stock
Pretty useless without knowing what the print runs were, eh?
Marco, I'm not exactly sure where you're going with your armchair business analysis. You're certainly not helping Paizo by generating confusion about their business practices. If you're trying to force Paizo to deny or confirm your theories, well, that won't happen, because you don't run business like that, letting yourself be at the mercy of every guy or girl with a theory about how your business works, but the fact that nobody insofar has come out and flatly said "Marco, your estimates are incorrect" does not make you correct.
You're passionate and fascinated by RPG industry. Yep, that's clear. But every fascination has some red line.
And digging this hole deeper gets you dangerously close to legal territory. Of course, this is merely my moderately educated speculation based on quite a few years of dealing with law and business.
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Sale rankings are, and even those are semi-trustworthy because what's stopping Amazon (or Paizo) from listing something as a #1 bestseller when the publisher pays for that?
The bookstore chain I worked at for many many years had what they called 'Make Books'. They were called that because the company was going to make them best sellers. A publisher would pay the company to get a new release onto the company's make book list. The company would then push and sell the holy crap out of the book. Employees were expected to know about the make books, talk them up, recommend them, and sometimes even had a daily quota to sell. If there was ever anything that high-lit how meaningless sales rankings or being a bestseller are it was that.