Return of the Tome of Horrors!

I've already got a copy of the original printing, but I wanted to just say that I'm glad that there is another chance for more Pathfinder gamers to get this awesome book!

With the 1st print run Frog God Games only took preorders for like 6 months. Hardly any time at all. Maybe you guys should send out an email or something. That might drum up a couple of sales. ;-)

Any chance at all to get this book from a distributor in Europe? I really would like to buy it, but 800 pages probably mean 40+$ shipping.

Any chance at all to get this book from a distributor in Europe? I really would like to buy it, but 800 pages probably mean 40+$ shipping.

As a fellow European I can tell you the shipping for me (for the original) was $49.75. A lot but... it's the Tome of Horrors what more can I say?

Hyla wrote:

Any chance at all to get this book from a distributor in Europe? I really would like to buy it, but 800 pages probably mean 40+$ shipping.

As a fellow European I can tell you the shipping for me (for the original) was $49.75. A lot but... it's the Tome of Horrors what more can I say?

I would simply be happy to have received the first printing of this book that I ordered back on 3 Jul 2011.

I would simply be happy to have received the first printing of this book that I ordered back on 3 Jul 2011.

They just finished shipping them out yesterday I believe (at least the ones shipped directly from FGG and not from Paizo). And they only arrived from the printers a little over a week before that. Shouldn't be much longer.

I like this second printing cover so much better. Oh well (I ordered the first).

I hope everyone who said they missed out puts their money where there mouth is.

So this is an adventure? Or mega dungeon? Pathfinderized? Dose it include everything I need to run it? like all the monster stats, maps ect?

And how will the print edition be made. Will it be in color? What kind of paper will it be printed on? Like one of paizo's supplement books?

So this is an adventure? Or mega dungeon? Pathfinderized? Dose it include everything I need to run it? like all the monster stats, maps ect?

And how will the print edition be made. Will it be in color? What kind of paper will it be printed on? Like one of paizo's supplement books?

It's a HUGE bestiary filled with all the monsters from the original Tome of Horrors I, II & III that were published by Necromancer Games for 3.0/3.5. It is available in print and as PDF.

I've heard it's printed on a thinner type paper than some other products, but the book is stitch bound to hold up to lots of use. They've compared the binding to something you might find in a college textbook in terms of quality/durability.

So this is an adventure? Or mega dungeon? Pathfinderized? Dose it include everything I need to run it? like all the monster stats, maps ect?

And how will the print edition be made. Will it be in color? What kind of paper will it be printed on? Like one of paizo's supplement books?

It's a monster book. It contains:

702 monsters
31 templates
18 hazards
8 planes of existence
24 monster feats
16 new subtypes

As well as a few other miscellaneous goodies. Cover is (obviously) color, interior is B&W. Can't really answer about the paper, as I haven't received my print copy yet. All stats updated to Pathfinder. 818 pages.

So this is an adventure? Or mega dungeon? Pathfinderized? Dose it include everything I need to run it? like all the monster stats, maps ect?

And how will the print edition be made. Will it be in color? What kind of paper will it be printed on? Like one of paizo's supplement books?

Did you read the product description?? I'm guessing not.

Folks, folks... ease up... maybe Triga stopped at reading/seeing "Return of the Tome of Horrors" and mistook that for "Return to the Tomb of Horrors". :)

But... playing "Devil's Advocate" aside... yeah I'd say no reading of the product description was done. ;)

Pre-ordered mine from FGG waaay back in March... should be getting mine soon... oh so soon. :D

~Dean

I don't wana stir the pot per say... but, I do want to get my thoughts out there in the mix... I actually dropped the 1st print run in my cart and just about pulled the trigger on this. However, at the last possible second, I changed my mind and bought that iPad 2 I have had my eye on forever.

One of the things that brought me so close, was the fact that I figured that this was close to a 'collectors' item. It seemed like the print run was small enough, and the demand high enough that I'd have a good chance of my 100$ purchase actually increase in value.

Rare though that may be with RPG books, it's not entirely impossible, ya know?

Anyway, I didn't do it, so I really don't have a pony in the race as they say... but - on the flip side, a 2nd 'unlimited' printing, sort of defeats the purpose of buying a 'collectors' limited edition Print run of a book.

I recognize that it's not Paizo publishing this... but I will say, that this '2nd release' DOES make me more hesitant to 'pull the trigger' based on a books possible collect-ability based on a small '1 time only' print run that sounds like was originally advertised.

n just to put it out there, I recognize that with a new cover, a new title 'unlimited' etc. that it's not 'exactly' THE 'collectible' 1st edition run... So legally they are off the hook and all. But c'mon spirit of the law was definitely breached here just a bit... or at least badly bent don't cha think?

and FINALY word... at least now, I'll be able to shell out for it in the future and I agree with a previous poster, the Cover IS much nicer than the original. Soooo, bottom line, Business's do things to make money... and this most likely will get mine.

I guess I'll just file this under the "Wade, Stop using the 'but this comic might be worth hundreds of dollars some day' rationalization technique" that I should have grown out of when I was 12 to justify buying my RPG Toys. :-P

and I agree with a previous poster, the Cover IS much nicer than the original.

Really? Because it's the same basic cover with a slightly different color scheme, and a bit of text added. If anything, the Unlimited version looks less ominous...and the Tome of Horrors SHOULD look ominous. The color scheme is lighter, and the "fangs" look much less sharp. I personally vastly prefer the original cover.

Oh yeah, and some of the most valuable books in the world are books that have had many MANY subsequent printings.

zWolf wrote:

and I agree with a previous poster, the Cover IS much nicer than the original.

Really? Because it's the same basic cover with a slightly different color scheme, and a bit of text added. If anything, the Unlimited version looks less ominous...and the Tome of Horrors SHOULD look ominous. The color scheme is lighter, and the "fangs" look much less sharp. I personally vastly prefer the original cover.

I agree, I think the cover on the Original is extremely nice, while the cover on this reprint is very blah and bland.

It shouldn't be the task of Frog God Games or Paizo or any other RPG publisher to create collector's items first and useful RPG supplements second. The fact that the Tome of Horrors Complete was originally planned to be just a small print run was not based in collectability but in pure business reasons of simply being able to create it at all in the first place. If an RPG supplement becomes a collector's item through a small print run for what ever reason, that - in my eyes - is not good for the game. People should have access to these supplements, and not just a select few. Creating collector's items on purpose only benefits the eBay sellers anyway, gamers are left in the dust and/or have to pay through their noses.

I am a customer of Frog God Games for the first edition of this book, and I don't mind at all that this book is being made available in a bigger printing. The whole issue of this book is making the material available again. Enforcing the scarcity of the first printing defeats this purpose. Paizo will be making use of the book in their adventures, and it is good that the book continues to be available.

If you want collectible stuff for the sake of it being collectible, go to Franklin Mint or whatever. A living game should not be subjected to the mechanics of a collectors' aftermarket, especially not on purpose.

In all honesty, it being a "collector's item" wasn't meant to be a selling point. The selling point was that we could only afford to do so many of them without breaking the bank.

Paizo helped the first print run be larger and the only reason following run was changed was to respect the people who DID buy it as a collection piece.

What I find interesting, however, is that the only non-favorable response I've heard is from someone who didn't purchase the book in the first place.

You're right, if you didn't want it for what was between the covers, then you shouldn't buy it.

The reality is that if it had not been for Paizo, there would only have been ~500 Tome of Horrors Complete (PFRPG) based on the presales we at Frog God recieved. Thanks to Lisa, Vic and the folks at Paizo, who ordered a thousand of them, more folks were in fact able to purchase the limited version of the book.

None of us (and I think Paizo too) ever expected to suddenly sell out within 12 hours of Mr. Mona sending out the mass email on Thursday the 15th. It took us all by surprise. And frankly, speaking for myself, I am happy that we have been able to provide this extremely useful book in the Unlimited edition for more persons who want it.

The reality is that if it had not been for Paizo, there would only have been ~500 Tome of Horrors Complete (PFRPG) based on the presales we at Frog God recieved. Thanks to Lisa, Vic and the folks at Paizo, who ordered a thousand of them, more folks were in fact able to purchase the limited version of the book.

None of us (and I think Paizo too) ever expected to suddenly sell out within 12 hours of Mr. Mona sending out the mass email on Thursday the 15th. It took us all by surprise. And frankly, speaking for myself, I am happy that we have been able to provide this extremely useful book in the Unlimited edition for more persons who want it.

I'm glad that so many have discovered FGG because of this, and I hope they give your other amazing products a try as well.

Hi I missed out on the 1st edition printing because I was to slow responding to the email message. I did however, buy the pdf version (from Paizo). Now that there will be a second printing available, is there any chance to get it at a price that would equal the print/pdf bundle price?

Hi I missed out on the 1st edition printing because I was to slow responding to the email message. I did however, buy the pdf version (from Paizo). Now that there will be a second printing available, is there any chance to get it at a price that would equal the print/pdf bundle price?

If you want to exchange your first printing PDF for store credit and apply it to the Unlimited edition print/PDF bundle, please contact Customer Service.

Dawn R Fischer wrote:

The reality is that if it had not been for Paizo, there would only have been ~500 Tome of Horrors Complete (PFRPG) based on the presales we at Frog God recieved. Thanks to Lisa, Vic and the folks at Paizo, who ordered a thousand of them, more folks were in fact able to purchase the limited version of the book.

None of us (and I think Paizo too) ever expected to suddenly sell out within 12 hours of Mr. Mona sending out the mass email on Thursday the 15th. It took us all by surprise. And frankly, speaking for myself, I am happy that we have been able to provide this extremely useful book in the Unlimited edition for more persons who want it.

I'm glad that so many have discovered FGG because of this, and I hope they give your other amazing products a try as well.

Well, speaking for myself, I am someone who had not heard of FGG before Tome of Horrors Complete and I have now preordered The Slumbering Tsar Saga and The Tome of Adventure Design.

Don't let me down, FGG!

I stake my meager reputation on the line here, Hobbun. You will not be disappointed. :)

So, what is the guestimated timeframe on the second printing? I was going to buy, but then I see people who waited six months for the first printing? Just curious what sort of schedule we're looking at here.

So, what is the guestimated timeframe on the second printing? I was going to buy, but then I see people who waited six months for the first printing? Just curious what sort of schedule we're looking at here.

It's looking like the end of October. Now, I don't think that anyway actually waited six months from the time they ordered, but from when the book was announced.

blarghy wrote:

So, what is the guestimated timeframe on the second printing? I was going to buy, but then I see people who waited six months for the first printing? Just curious what sort of schedule we're looking at here.

It's looking like the end of October. Now, I don't think that anyway actually waited six months from the time they ordered, but from when the book was announced.

Also, keep in mind that many of us ordered before the book was complete. That will make a world of difference in the delivery schedule.

Ordered!

I was on vacation when the email was sent regarding the first printing and was sad that I had missed it. Prior to that, I didn't know what I was missing.

I was pleasantly surprised to find the PDF in my downloads immediately after placing my order! Can't wait for my copy to arrive.

As for first cover vs second cover? I could care less as long as the stuff between the covers is the same!

As for first cover vs second cover? I could care less as long as the stuff between the covers is the same!

It is.

It is here! It has arrived! The precious (my precious) Tome of Horrors - Complete has arrived. It was sitting at my place at the kitchen table just waiting for me to unpack it. :D

A really big (i.e. HUGE) thank you to everyone involved with this book, from compiling it, working on it, sorting through the orders, and packaging it and shipping it out. You are all incredibly wonderful people, each and every one of you.

Take a bow. You are all AWESOME!

~Dean

Received my copy yesterday, in perfect shape.

I was a bit surprised on how light it was, I was expecting it to be heavier. Although I am sure a lot of that has to do with the paper not being as thick compared to the more heavyweight, glossy pages that I've usually seen in my hardcover gaming books.

Not saying it's a bad thing, just indicating it was different than what I'm used to. :)