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jhallum wrote:

I see Ruins of Lastwall is still listed in my April Subs, but not listed here. Any changes to status on that?

I just received confirmation from Sam that the Ruins of Lastwall set has been pushed back to May. Despite it currently showing a mid-April release, orders for the case won't spawn until the May spawning period.


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Sam Phelan wrote:

Hello Pigraven,

The Ruins of Lastwall case release has been pushed back to May, so you will not see this with your April items generated on April 4th. It will instead generate with your May items.

The display price of the case fluctuates depending on what discounts the system is taking into account. For those with the Battles sub, the correct price you will pay usually doesn't display until your order containing the case is generated. This is because this is the time in which the system checks for all appropriate prices and discounts. For cases purchased through the sub, the $279.99 price is correct but usually only shows up for the first time in the confirmation email.

In summation, the price you can expect is still $279.99 and this amount will be authorized early to mid May.

Thank you so much for your quick answers.

I know you folks are super busy with all the orders, the coming switchover to PF2, and Con season about to start. Good luck to all of you! Don't forget to enjoy yourselves.

Sincerely,
Brian


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Sam,

Thanks for the quick response. It looks like it has been pushed through, as the order is showing complete. What a strange bug!

I'll continue to purchase store credit ahead of time. But once I get a shipping message, I'll swing over to the Paizo My Order page and actually verify it looks like it's taking only store credit. If there seems to be an issue, I'll let you folks here.

I do have another question that is completely separate from the earlier one.

The next selection of items expected to ship under the My Subscriptions page is showing three items:

Pathfinder Adventure Path #141: Last Watch
Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Concordance Of Rivals
Pathfinder Battles--Ruins Of Lastwall

As it says, they are just estimates and subject to change based on availability. But it's my understanding that only the first two will be available for the order generation date on April 4th. The last one, the Ruins of Lastwall miniatures, have been pushed back a month. Do you believe that is the case, and the Subscription page still hasn't been updated? When I click the link to the Product Schedule Page, it's still showing a Mid-April release for the Ruins Of Lastwall. But the April Shipping thread in this forum is showing that only the Adventure Path and Campaign Setting will ship, not the Battles case.

It's not a big deal. I'll be ready by either date, the 4th of April or sometime in May. But it does have an affect on whether I need to purchase the necessary store credit sometime before next Thursday, or sometime before spawning begins for May orders.

I've seen it suggested the new WizKids date could be pushed back just a week, the first week of May. I don't know how that would work? Perhaps orders for the Ruins of Lastwall would spawn in April and simply ship a week later than the rest of our subscription (if we select separate shipping), or be held until the May subscriptions are shipped out (if we combine shipping)?

I do apologize for getting confused. It's likely something that will work itself out anyways, but I thought I'd ask now so I'm not frantically running around on the 3rd trying to make sure I have enough store credit to cover the Battles Case in addition to my other subscriptions.

Finally, my last question. The Battles Case in my subscription page is showing a total of $358.18. That's 30% off the original $511.68 price, not the Paizo listed price of $399.99. So I'm seeing a $511.68 with Strikethrough price, then a $358.18 with Strikethrough, then a $358.18 without the strikethrough. Have you revised pricing to take the 30% off on a Battles Case only off that original price? Or is it simply showing this because it isn't finalized yet, with a 100% finalized release date?

I'm curious because I don't recall ever seeing the $358.18 price before in my subscriptions page for a Battles case, even before finalization. But I know the system has been acting up elsewhere, so I thought maybe this is just another wonky thing before finalization occurs? Historically, it's shown the $399.99 with strikethrough, and the $279.99 price (thus 30% off the official Paizo listed price) without the strikethrough.

I know WizKids ultimately sets the release date for the release of a Battles set. Perhaps the way things have registered in the system at Paizo is simply a byproduct of having to wait on the official word from WizKids, and thus manifests itself in slightly different ways from release to release. Perhaps it's something else entirely. But it's left me a little bit confused, so I'm looking for confirmation that I can expect the typical $279.99 for a Battles Case (before adding in the Incentive). And also confirmation to determine whether I should have my necessary store credit for the April spawning/billing period, or that in May.

Thank you so much for answering my questions.

Sincerely,
Brian


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Marco Massoudi wrote:

Judging from the timing of Wizkids putting the gallery online, the release date will be may 1st or may 8th latest.

I guess we'll know either next wednesday or april 3rd.

I expect the "Iconic Heroes Evolved" pack either on the same date to save shipping costs or later in may, because "RoL" is the last Pathfinder 1.0 minis product & "IHE" is the first for second edition...

If this is true it means it probably still charges to our April subscriptions, right? And then we can have it deliver separately or hold it until the end of May with our May subscriptions?

Also....

My upcoming subscription price is still showing $358.18. Usually it shows $511.68 with a strikethrough, then a $399.99 with a strikethrough, followed by the actual $279.99 price (without strikethrough). I realize things are subject to change, but it's the latest I've seen something like this after the product announcement and page has been made. I'm concerned that it's taking our 30% off the original $511.68 price and not the $399.99 listed price.

Do any other case subscribers see this too, or is it showing the normal $279.99 for you?


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The price in the My Subscriptions page is still showing up as $358.18 for me. Is this the case for anyone else? That means it's taking the 30% off the original $511.68, not the $399.99 case as per usual. I realize things are subject to change here, but I've not seen this happen before this late after announcement and before Subscriptions are generated.


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For some reason, this order was declined. I think I know why.

On Tuesday, March 05, 2019, I purchased a $50.00 e-gift card for my account (Order 7711852), and applied it accordingly. It ended up giving me something like a total of $71+ in Paizo credit. Again, that was on March 5th, 2019.

You'll notice by checking my purchase history, I purchased $60.00 in credit on February 7th, $39.31 of which was used the following day on Order 7696967 (February's subscriptions of Return of the Runelord Maps & Tyrant's Grasp Part 1). After February's order, submitted on February 8th, I had at least $20.69 left in store credit. (I had change on the dollar, too, leftover from the previous order. But we'll stick with $20.69 to keep it simple).

Again, you'll notice I had no other order charged to me from the time I had $20.69 leftover in store credit, and March 05, when I purchased the aforementioned $50.00 e-gift card for my account. So I should have had, at the very least, $70.69. as of March 05th, after I applied the amount to my account.

The next order I was charged with was Order 7737617, the order in question. That was Submitted on March 8th, 2019. The email I have for this transaction shows I received the email on March 8th, at 11:36 AM. The email itself shows 4 items, (2 replacements for the February order which never arrived, and 2 orders for the March subscription period: Adventure Path #140, and Player Companion: Heroes of Golarion). The product total was $30.23, with a $4.30 shipping & handling charge, making for a total order total of $34.53.

First off, I should note that the email says I only have $36.12 left in store credit to apply. That's obviously wrong. Just a few days before, I'd purchased $50.00 in store credit. So at the very least, the email should have shown I had $50.00. But thanks to the $20.69 credit I had left over from my February transactions, it really should have showed $70.69.

Regardless, the total should have been enough itself to cover my March subscription total of $34.53. But for some reason, it was declined.

Now if you add the two numbers together, $34.53 with the amount it said I had leftover, $36.12, it equals $70.65. So I think at one point I did have that $70.69 in my account as store credit, as it should have been. I think I was then charged the $34.53 in a previous Submitted Order. But I think that order was later adjusted on your end, to include the items from February I'd never received (as it says Replacement next to their names, with no charge). Because I don't have an additional Item Order, I think the current Order 7737617 was adjusted, not replaced. And that this happened after the official submitted order, thus now charging me another $34.53 for the same order.

Still, though I believe this to be the case, it should have still accepted the order, as even if the error amount of $36.12 was left, there would have been enough to cover the order.

I should point out that I have my subscription orders registered to use my store credit first, so this shouldn't have been an issue. The Payment method itself is listed with a Visa card, numbers ending in 4417. That's a pre-paid credit card which I've been using as my listed credit card for subscription orders for five months now without issue.

A few months ago, I suggested to another user on here that was having similar problems to use this same setup, as having a pre-paid card on file works, if registered, as a "placeholder" card that gets charged if you are using your store credit. I said what I think happens is that even if you have enough store credit, the card itself still gets charged. So as long as you have $1 or more on the card, it would still function properly. (even though it doesn't actually take the $1, I think it just acts like an active credit card). At the time, Customer Representative Diego responded to my comment that it still shouldn't matter. His belief was that as long as you have enough store credit, the system is set up to accept that first, no matter what other method is on file. He wanted to be made aware in a situation if this wasn't the case, so please forward him this entire response.

So simply put, I think I was charged $34.53 at some point on March 8th, and then it later charged me a second time. But both times the order should have been able to go through, as either charge attempt would have had the requisite amount of store credit necessary to go through, thus not charging the card I have on file at all. But for whatever reason, because I only keep $1 on that pre-paid Visa card, it rejected the order/s.

If everything were working fine, it should have gone through fine, leaving me with (at least) $36.12 left in store credit at this point. And yet, when I go to the My Account page, it's showing I have only $35.05 left in my account. I'm not sure how it got to this amount.

I would like to point out that, as I'm now looking over the declined transactions, on the Order History, it shows the first actual charge (Wednesday, Sept 13) was $34.53 (matching the email I received for what the total was). The second charge (Friday, Sept 15th), and the ones placed this week so far (Monday & Tuesday, respectively) is showing a CHARGE of $36.12. I'm not exactly sure what happened, but the new Shipping & Handling on the page shows $5.89 instead of the original $4.30.

So again, I think it is just a matter of the system not recognizing the pre-paid Visa I was using. I'm not sure what would have altered it, as I've been using it without issue for months now. But it's the only thing I can think of as being the issue.

And again, I went into March 8th with a minimum of $70.69. After being charged that initial $34.53, I should have at least $36.16 left in Paizo credit. Instead, it's showing $35.05. Now maybe that new charge of $36.12 takes into account an updated shipping charge of $5.89 instead of the original $4.30 shipping charge (the math of $30.23 + $5.89 = $36.12). But that would mean that at one point I was indeed charged with a lesser shipping method, and it likely used $34.53 of my store credit. But after being declined, perhaps it never put it back on?

Or perhaps the listed amount of $35.05 left in store credit represents the correct amount after accounting for the new total charge of $36.12? $36.12 + $35.05 = $71.17. And as I said, I believe I had some Paizo credit under $1.00 leftover back in February before I purchased the $60. on the 7th of that Month.

Regardless, I had enough store credit to cover the transaction the first time. So I'm not really sure why the charge of $34.53 on Wednesday, March 13th was declined. Even looking at the most recently declined charges, it says Order Total: $36.12 and underneath in green it says Store Credit To Apply: $36.12. That would be accurate if such a charge went through, leaving me that $35.05 in store credit. (Though again, I'm not sure why the charge amount changed mid-attempts). But...again, it's been declined. So I'm at a total loss here.

I have to admit I'm getting a bit frustrated. I'm sorry it took so long to recognize this issue, but I hadn't checked that account in some time as I assumed all would go smoothly with order generation and charging, as it has been using this method since last summer and this particular pre-paid Visa card for the last five months.

I specifically don't use a regular credit card because I cancelled all but one, which is only for emergencies. I understand why PayPal isn't a valid option for things like Paizo subscriptions. But it should still be available as an option for products that can be immediately purchased and received within a normal shipping window, especially store credit. But whether you take that step or not, please look into fixing the system so that even if I don't have a normal credit card, I can continue to purchase store credit (using pre-paid credit cards I buy in person at the store) that can be used for my subscription orders.

At the very least, please push this order through. As long as it leaves me that $35.05 or whatever leftover in my store credit section, all is well. If I have to come back here and remind you each month to do the same so it doesn't mess up in the system and prevent me from receiving my orders on time every month, so be it. I'll set a reminder on my calendar on the first of every month or something.

In the meantime, thanks for reading through all this. I know there is a lot and it's a bit of a mess, but I wanted to give as much information as possible. I can also send you screenshots of everything I've mentioned if that helps.

Thanks in advance for getting back to me as quickly as possible.

Sincerely,
Brian


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I completely understand why this type of set works for so many people. As Marco points out, there is usually at least one cemetery setting in every campaign. And as far as dungeon dressing and dressing sets go, this has to be right up there.

But there are a great many of us that don't use dungeon dressing or these sets at all. I just find it much easier to make my 2-D maps and layouts without dressing pieces or sets. In fact, I only use a grid in maybe half of my games. The rest of the time I'm only bringing out miniatures when there is a fight going on. (Or as NPC's throughout the session). So while any given homebrew campaign of mine often includes multiple cemetery scenarios, bringing it to life just isn't a thing.

Not that I haven't tried with some of the sets. But it always seems like a better idea when I have it than when I put it to practice. Call me boring or old fashioned, but I guess I just like PC's, NPC's and creatures to fight. And a Gargantuan-sized Neothelid would find it's way into every single one of my campaigns, even if just once per campaign. A cemetery set will never be used at my table.

I'm happy for others that do use them. But as others have said, I won't hate it if Dungeon Dressing and Build sets find their own dedicated line.


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This order says it shipped out on February 19th, though UPS shows things actually started moving on February 21st. Regardless, per the tracking info provided in my Order History, it's been sitting in Akron, Oho (15-20 minutes from me) since February 25th. There hasn't been any inclement weather here since the 25th that would prevent it from moving from one place in Northeast Ohio to another 15 minutes away.

Before I contact USPS, I'm curious as to what it shows on your system? I know the different systems aren't perfect, but I've never seen a package listed as just sitting there for five days.


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Speaking of the Legendary Adventures set, I'm super excited by what I've seen already. The first Huge that we've seen is been one of those on my list (and I think most peoples') I've wanted for a long time. The other creatures are classic, and I'm always a sucker for the classic monsters. I'm also very excited for the PC-type. It's great to see darker pigmentation characters for non-humans. I know we have to wait a bit for that preview, but I'm very excited about it!


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Anguish wrote:
Thank you VERY much for completing the previews before ordering/shipping happens. I know I was distraught last time, and want to express that I'm very appreciative that this time I get lead-time to make decisions.

+1


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Cat-thulhu wrote:

While I love this incentive, you’re right one of the best yet, are we likely to get back to big monsters soon if at all? I know the next is a village but how about after that?

I'm in this boat, too.

It's a great looking set. I have scaled back on trying to incorporate dungeon dressing and set pieces like this in my games. The only other set I use is the tavern set. But this set is nice enough that I might have to go ahead and use it.

But I prefer a Gargantuan miniature over set pieces like this any day, as so far it's the only way we can get Gargantuan-sized minis. If there is a saving grace, it's that many of the Gargantuan creatures most common at my table can be obtained elsewhere like Papo, Safari Ltd., etc. Things like Dire Crocodiles, Great Reef Crabs, and pretty much all the dinosaurs can be obtained for what would likely be a bit cheaper than a Gargantuan-sized incentive piece.

Unfortunately, this leaves out a few great creatures like the Neothelid, Purple Worm and Bandersnatch. Not to mention it would be nice to have all the metallic dragons and other non-chromatic types in Gargantuan-size miniature form.

Still, I can definitely understand focusing more on the set-building incentives. They probably double nicely for those that just like building cool looking sets even if they don't use them. My only hope is that if they continue down this road, they'll start adding an extra PC-type or creature to the set. Even if it's an alternative to a piece found in a regular set. Like in a Goblin Village, it would be nice to get an extra goblin or two that we can add towards our collection of goblins. It will go a long way towards helping those of us that don't typically care for the builder sets to at least utilize some of the pieces. For example, I use my Gnome Executioner and Doctor Davaulus miniatures from the Crown of Fangs set quite often.


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So what does everyone think was being referred to as one of the most requested miniatures? I've got no problems with it being a god, but I'm not sure I've seen one god requested over other gods more often than not.

I know there are some Large-sized miniatures I've seen commonly requested like a Rhinoceros/Wooly Rhinoceros, Constrictor Snake, Giant Mantis, and another Dire animal.

Medium are the Drow and the Shocker Lizard as the most requested I've seen. I agree it would be great to have a Drow given they are different color than D&D. Wizards' has already made PLENTY over the last 20 years, with many still affordable and easily attainable. But they seem more blue in PF, so it would be great to have at least one.


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Is the most requested mini a god? As it reads, I can't tell if, "and the final deity of the set" applies to the most requested mini in the set, or it simply applies to one of the final six miniature we'll see. Because if it's just general, my official guess is a Shocker Lizard (Small-sized) from the first Bestiary.


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Will a Ruins of Lastwall case still be the regular price as the previous cases in the line?

Under the My Subscriptions page, where it shows the upcoming subscriptions for the next few months, it's showing a total for my case at $358.18, which is 30% off the original $511.68 price, not the Paizo listed price of $399.99. Typically, it reads $511.69 $399.99 $279.99, with the first two prices being struck through. The product page for this set seems to indicate it's the Paizo listed price of $399.99, so in all likelihood it's just a weird hiccup. I know the Subscriptions page isn't final, and the information is subject to change (especially this far out in advance). But I thought I'd point it out anyways as I'm not sure I've ever seen it do that before.


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Sweet! The Battles line continues its ability to put out bands of humanoids on a theme, making a case a really nice way to get what I need for a larger encounter. Having different poses on different miniatures goes a long way for me. I know it takes up a few more spots that could be served on other monsters or characters, but having four or five Razmir Cultists (or whatever I call them in my home-brew campaign) show up with two Razmir Priests is preferable to my using six or seven miniatures that look nothing alike. The latter works if I'm doing a gang of thieves or something w/o any real visual mark, but Paizo is the best at giving me what I need to flesh out my bands/guilds/armies with relevant miniatures.

As for these NPCs in particular, I'm both excited and a bit apprehensive about them. I love the robes, the colors, the poses, and the masks themselves. And I'm glad they are in those masks, and thus allow us to avoid the normal concern we've come to expect with caucasian flesh-tone on WizKids miniatures. But in these renderings, those masks on the Razmir Cultists are metallic and look AMAZING! If you get the production pieces in and the masks remain metallic as they appear here, they should be a huge hit. But if they are more drab and don't really have much shine, they'll be somewhat disappointing. I feel like these are a bit like the Dweomer Cat in that regard. I loved the rendering and was super excited for such a miniature, but in hand it was dull and even goofy. That piece is actually on my list of most disappointing pieces regarding Rendering-to-Production miniatures. Here's hoping the Razmir Cultists don't find a home there, too!

I never need an excuse for an animal in the set. You could drop desert animals into a Winter-heavy set and I'd scoop them all up. This hyena looks awesome, and I'm very happy it got the Common rarity. I feel pretty confident in the body of the miniature; Paizo usually does a pretty decent job with similar-styled hair or fur. And the spots shouldn't be too hard to get right. That face looks amazing, and in my opinion will be what makes or breaks it in-hand.

Thanks for providing us with so many of these previews so early. It allows me to decide ahead of time whether I will be buying any extras in addition to those I get in my case.


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kevin_video wrote:
idmonster wrote:
I second the need for playable race minis, the less common races are woefully unrepresented.
I too want to emphasize this. Too many times we've had these races at the table and they don't have a proper mini. It's been brought up before by staff that a "true kitsune" can use any mini because no one's supposed to know that you're a kitsune. >_>

Allow me to fourth the need for these.

Of the two things I regret most about the Pathfinder Battles line, it is the lack of Huge-sized creatures, and the lack of representation for playable races. The former looks to have been taken care of going forward. The latter...we shall see.

I totally understand that the desire for such minis likely isn't far-reaching. But considering they are actual playable-races this company put forth as options, it's a bit disappointing to see them get the miniature shaft. To be fair, this criticism basically applies to all areas of Pathfinder content. The Advanced Race Guide was put out in 2012, and then many of the races largely forgotten. Here's hoping hat isn't the case for PF2.

I know PF1 is closing up shop soon, but I still think it would have behooved the good folks at Paizo to have kept a design team going for PF1 material. Maybe just one possible subscription-option, that encompassed PF1 Player Companions, Campaign Settings, Modules, and even an Adventure Path every now and then. Instead of focusing mainly on the original options, they could have continued to flesh out all the playable races in Advanced Race Guide that never received much love. Likewise, they could have continued working with the Occult classes and other such under-represented Pathfinder classes. After finally having a chance to run some campaigns that featured these classes, all I can say is they were a blast. Probably the most fun I've had in a long time, both as a DM and as a player, too!

Getting back to miniatures... I'm really hoping we see some of these playable races represented at some point in PF2 lines. At the minimum, a Pathfinder Battles: Advanced Race line would be great. Even if we only get one representation of each mini, at least we'd have one.


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First off, this entire set looks very appealing to me. The psychopomps and other creatures announced earlier have me really excited--they were a glaring omission in my eyes leading up to this set.

That trend continues with the reveals this week. The Formian crew is amazing, and sates my appetite for Monstrous Humanoids. It also checks off the boxes for more group-building, something Paizo has been excellent with in regards to their Battles line. I'm big into vermin, at least in my games, so this whole preview was great for me.

The Girtablilu is a major win for me, too. I've always had a thing for scorpions, so naturally they've made it into my campaigns somewhat frequently. I've been using the scorpion we received a handful of sets back for a stand-in, but now I'll have the real thing!

I'll never say no to more devils. Admittedly, I've only ever used the warmonger devils once, but it's nice to have them. I know they are from Bestiary 5, but I feel like they go way back before that. I've found that while I'll never not use a creature just because it has no mini, when it does have representation I tend to use it more often.

The Roiling Oil sounds like the failed name of a Texas team from the new Alliance of American Football League that just started play this past weekend. Great concept, tough name to say. In all seriousness, those of us purchasing a case will likely get three or four. I just got a mini-painting set for holidays; I'll likely be repainting a few so I have different types of ooze. The miniature itself looks great. Oozes are one of the more under-represented types in miniature form. Everyone does the basics, like Grey ooze, Gelatinous Cube, and a few others. But it's always nice to get new types.

Among the bigger downsides should Pathfinder Battles completely transition to PF2 (in miniatures production) after Ruins of Lastwall is how many great opportunities we'll lose. Pathfinder has some of the best artwork when it comes to Ooze, Plants, and Fey throughout their Bestiaries. Here's hoping that if they do stick to the Pathfinder 2 track with their newer sets, the new Bestiary isn't a carbon copy of the Bestiary 1 in terms of creature selection. That goes double, now that it appears Huge-sized creatures are possible.


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Wow, I completely forgot to check for new blogs. This preview dropped on Monday, so we could get another one in just a few days. Nifty!

So far I like all of the previews I've seen for this set. I like the Whispering Way Cultist, but I do agree with Marco that it seems almost too special for low-level scum. Maybe it's the stance?

I'd definitely bring Urgathoa home to meet mom. I'm sure she'd like her more than some of the other ladies I brought home back in the day. I'd hate to be on cleanup duty after dinner, though...

I've desired a Mohrg ever since I started playing Pathfinder, so this was an easy sell to me. And I do enjoy the look of the piece.

I love the Thanadaemon. Kind of a bummer to see it a rare, but I should be able to track two more down easy enough, if necessary. The nice thing is that while it can be summoned with Summon Evil Monster 9 and Summon Thanodaemon, each only summons one creature.

The Stone Cairn looks good, but I've been using dungeon dressing less instead of more, and this likely won't be any different. Maybe I can trade it for another Thanodaemon.

Questions regarding the Whispering Way Cultists and Skeletal Speaker. Do we have stats and sources for them? Can we expect them in the coming AP? Or have they popped up elsewhere already and I've missed them?


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Great news!


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Marco Massoudi wrote:

..shortened for space..

It's actually $250 & yes, it looks like you can only access the upper deck and the two cabins and the three lower decks are thick cardboards stored under the ship.
Here is a video of the prototype.
The "cannon hatches" do actually open.
There are still some little changes to expect, but i don't think anything major.

Thanks for the video.

I know suggested retail is $250.00, but a couple websites have it going for just about $200.00 USD with free shipping (within the US). It's still wildly expensive for a miniature that I'm rarely, if ever, going to use at my table.


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Marco Massoudi wrote:

Wizkids will (probably) update their release schedule on wednesday 10th of january.

We'll get the exact february release dates for the "Falling Star Sailing ship" & "Icons of the Realms 11: W:DotMM" then.
Wizkids should then start previews soon afterwards.

I hope we'll get our second preview blog for "Ruins of Lastwall" (after the initial copy from the IcV2.com article) in the coming week.

I've been trying to collect all the official releases for both Pathfinder Battles (at least for PF1) and the Icons of the Realms sets. The Falling Star Sailing Ship looks cool, but is it fully operational? $200.00 is a bit steep for me for a single miniature that never gets used at my table. I thought I remembered pictures showing the different levels of the ship. But then I read somewhere that you can only use the top deck for miniatures?


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Marco Massoudi wrote:

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I hope we'll get our second preview blog for "Ruins of Lastwall" (after the initial copy from the IcV2.com article) in the coming week.

That's sweet of you, Marco. But this is the place where hope comes to die.


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Or, as TL;DR:

My group and I are losing faith in Paizo, and I'm trying like heck to find ways to hold on. 8 weeks of radio silence doesn't exactly inspire confidence for the future.


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Marco Massoudi wrote:
Pigraven wrote:
Finally!!! A long overdue update on the next Pathfinder Battles line. I was beginning to think we'd never see you Paizo folks again.

That's sarcasm, right? ;-)

I expect the first preview for "Pathfinder Battles (set #16): Ruins of Lastwall" by the second week of january 2019.

February's "Icons of the Realms (set #11): Waterdeep: Dungeon of the Mad Mage" will probably start showing previews around the same time.

Most definitely sarcasm.

That's when I expect previews now, too. Interestingly enough, as I was sitting here reading your opinion of when the previews will start up again, I realized I just don't care anymore. Don't get me wrong, it's been a bummer not having previews of the next set. But for me it's been the radio silence I find most disappointing. It's like Paizo has just given up on this line. I'm not saying they have, it just...feels that way to me.

About every week or so I would check the site, to see if there was a new Battles blog. I always see blogs for other product lines, and on a rather routine basis. Between the PF2 stuff, Kingmaker CRG, and all the love Starfinder is getting, it feels like PF1 stuff in general has already gone the way of the Dodo. And I get it, it does make some sense with the transition from PF1 to PF2 about eight months away. But still, that's eight months of product.

And most importantly, for this Battles line, what comes after Ruins of Lastwall? Will the line continue exclusively as PF2, like all other lines? Or will they try and straddle the PF2 Bestiary 1 and PF1 Bestiaries 2-6? Presumably most of PF2 Bestiary 1 will be creatures also found in PF1 Bestiary 1, the vast core of which have already been done in the Battles line (and in the D&D Icons line). Does that mean we can expect yet another onslaught of Manticore, core Elementals, and common Undead? Or will some of the Battles line be supplemented with the likes of the PF1 Bestiary 2 elementals, or creatures such as PF1 Bestiary 5's Crystal or Lead Golem?

And if the Battles line should continue, what of the Huge-sized miniatures that folks have been craving from this company for years? Will WizKids continue to undercut the upside and lower the ceiling of the Battles' potential by refusing to make Huge creatures part of regular sets for yet another edition of the game? While Wizards is busy dropping long-requested PPM's like the Froghemoth in early 2019, will Pazio be reduced to starting their PF2 miniature sets later in the same year with slight re-makes of the same popular Small, Medium, and Large miniatures we've already seen? Are we set up for another six years of begging, mostly in vain, for Huge miniatures to round out our Pathfinder monster lines? This company has so many good looking Huge creatures, many of which are rather unique but extremely fantasy flavorful. It would be a shame if Huge creatures failed to appear as regular PPM pieces in yet another edition of the game. Possibly, and, perhaps even probably--for me, at least--it could be a deal-breaker for me.

Will Paizo attempt to sate the PPM appetite of both Pathfinder and Starfinder fans--let alone fans of both--by embracing your brilliant idea of putting out a set that contains only miniatures of creatures that crossover into both lines? Browsing that list you submitted a few weeks ago, Paizo could make an incredible Battles line that makes sense for both parties while they figure out what to do about the Battles line for PF2.

There are a number of potential reasons why the Previews line hasn't re-started for Ruins of Lastwall. Maybe Paizo just wants to give them too us hot and heavy closer to release date. Maybe WizKids has asked them to hold back on any more previews until the start of 2019. Maybe they find that showing off a new set so soon after the release of a current set can dent initial sales. All of those reasons, to me, seem very solid. But it's been radio silence since October 23rd, now two full months ago. As disappointing as 2+ months of no new previews is for this line, it pales in comparison to not hearing anything at all. Paizo seems eager to involve everyone regarding Pathfinder 2 in all other facets. But unless I missed it, we haven't heard anything about this line's future--which will for sure be linked to PF2 in some way.

Now combine the lack of discussion about the future of this particular line with the lost opportunities to promote their recent Starfinder minis release, and how does it not feel like they've given up on Battles?

And again, these things do matter. I'm fighting like crazy to hang onto my enjoyment of Pathfinder. Or rather, I'm trying to embrace the enjoyment that Pathfinder 2 will potentially offer. Before the PF2 announcement, most of my time spent with my gaming groups was about 90% Pathfinder (either with Adventure Paths or, usually, self-created campaigns but using all PF1 stuff), 5% D&D 5e, and 5% Wheel of Time.

We didn't get around to the Playtest until late, but once we did it started out about 75% PF2 Playtest, 15% Pathfinder 1, 5% D&D, and 5% Wheel of Time.

But within the last couple weeks, I'd say my gaming groups have shifted towards 50% PF 2 Playtest, 25% D&D 5e, 20% Pathfinder 1, and 5% Wheel of Time.

I guess my point is that most of my groups, which make up close to 40 people at this point, already seem to be slipping a bit from the comforts of Paizo. I'm grasping at reasons to stick with this company, and I can't help but feel like they've either given up on this line, or it has fallen so far down the list of Paizo priorities that I'm not sure we're going to see much improvement beyond Ruins of Lastwall. And that's a shame, not just for the long history I've had with the line, but because it remains the most likely out of all my subscriptions that will make the jump with me from PF1 to PF2.


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Finally!!! A long overdue update on the next Pathfinder Battles line. I was beginning to think we'd never see you Paizo folks again.


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Steve Geddes wrote:
Pigraven wrote:
It's been over a month now. I'm really hoping for a preview at some point today.

Just to add another datapoint - I’m also missing the regular mini preview blogs.

In my case they don’t affect my purchasing habits. However, they have resulted in me dropping by the site less often (a bit less often, anyhow).

I used to make a point of settling in with a coffee a few hours after Erik’s weekly blog hit. After reading the blog, I’d then browse the site and maybe pick up a thing or two.

My point being that fifteen minis every five weeks isn’t equivalent, from my perspective, as three every week. Even if from the Paizo side it may feel as though that’s “the same amount” of previewing. (I appreciate there’s probably a dozen wheels all turning in the background which we don’t see. This isn’t criticism so much as customer feedback that perhaps isn’t noticeable from your side).

Like you, it doesn't directly affect my miniature purchasing habits. And that goes double this time around, as I've already decided to hang and grab the last (we assume) of the PF1 sets. For me, it's more a matter of "why not?" at this point.

But as I've posted here before, everything matters. Perception matters. I currently sit squarely on the fence as to whether I'll step forward with Paizo into Pathfinder 2, or step away. While the official release of that source material will ultimately be the deciding factor on such a jump, my miniatures subscription is one that could survive either outcome. In theory.

But here we are fast approaching 2019, and I'm not even sure it has been confirmed the Battles line will continue after Ruins Of Lastwall? And if it does, will it be a line dedicated to PF2? Such a dedicated line would mean we'd be seeing all new versions of the tried and true creatures that usually make a first bestiary. Or would such a line split between PF2 creatures from the PF2 Bestiary 1 and PF1 Bestiaries 2-6?

This blog series hasn't seen an update since a week before Halloween. As far as I'm aware, there was no "we'll be taking an extended break before continuing with Ruins of Lastwall previews" announcement. It's just been five weeks of interwebs silence. I get it, this blog is way down the list of important issues for Paizo. But we've already been informed several times now that the miniature preview blogs are written out and completed well ahead of time. So if that is the case, isn't it just a matter of turning it in and posting it?

Again, I'll be getting the case itself regardless, but the small bit of fun and excitement that used to accompany these weekly blog posts seems to have completely eroded. I've seen and heard enough trepidation from PF1 players about making the jump that if it were my company, I'd want to do everything I could to maintain a "business as usual" atmosphere throughout as many different product lines as I offered. I don't know if that makes sense to anyone else, but it's how I feel.


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It's been over a month now. I'm really hoping for a preview at some point today.


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I apologize for taking so long to respond. I opened this one evening with intent to respond but promptly fell asleep, as I do best.

I am happy to share with you my reason for canceling my Maps subscription. I hope the detailed information will be useful when making decisions for this line going forward.

My decision was not based on quality. In fact, I rather enjoy the new Flip-Tiles. Instead, my decision was all about cost. It just wasn't viable to maintain a Maps subscription any longer. I'll go into more detail in case it helps. If you have any further questions, please just ask me.

1. My Flip-Tiles Urban Starter Set showed a charge of $29.74. That price reflected the 15% off I receive with the Paizo Advantage discount. It's cheaper elsewhere (more on that in a bit), but it came with a major drawback...

2. Due to the weight of the Urban Starter Set, it added an extra $11-$12 of shipping cost. In my Subscriptions section under My Account, it showed a shipping & handling fee of approximately $16.+ for the Urban Starter Set, Adventure Path #137, and Campaign Setting: Faiths of Golarion. Once you folks successfully canceled my Maps subscription (thank you, by the way), it reduced the shipping & handling cost down to about $4.83.

3. So you see, $29.74 + $12.00 = $41.74. And that's just way too much to be paying for a Flip-Tiles starter set. Now perhaps that estimate of $16.+ shipping was high, and it wouldn't really have cost that much. After all, my July order shipped with an initial charge of $12.87 for shipping & handing. That order, Order #5293565, also had the Dungeon Flip-Tiles Expansion pack, Adventure Path #132, the Flip-Mat Forest Pack, and a handful of promotional minis. But whether that $16.+ shipping & handling fee was inflated or not in the estimate for this current month's items, I don't know. It was the only number I had to go on, and an extra $12.00 to ship one thing--that already isn't a particularly good deal--was just too much to worry about.

4. As for that $29.74 price for the Urban Starter Set through your website (w/Paizo Advantage 15% off included). It's between $3.45-$5.27 cheaper to purchase it elsewhere. And that doesn't even include the shipping & handling savings. Here are the top three cheapest prices for the Urban Starter Set on other websites. It can be found cheaper at times, but for the Pre-order price from reputable companies, here are the details.
Game Nerdz: $24.47
CoolStuffInc.: $24.49
Miniature Market: $26.29

Here are those same prices with shipping & handling factored in (to my address in Ohio).
Game Nerdz: $24.47 + $3.00 Shipping = $27.47
CoolStuffInc.: $24.49 + $5.99 Flat Rate Shipping = $30.48
Miniature market: $26.99 + $5.99 Flat Rate Shipping = $32.28

So you see, even just by purchasing it elsewhere, it's cheaper--Tax Included--from one place. And only between $1-3 dollars more--Tax Included--from the other two places. For perspective's sake, if I were to order it today, straight up, using my Paizo 15% Advantage but not as part of a subscription, the Urban Starter Set would look like this:
Urban Starter Set: $29.74 + $12.00 = $41.74

That's not an estimate. That's literally what my cart shows after putting it in and going through the first two stages of checking out. That means that it likely WAS effecting my subscription service, and responsible for that huge shipping & handling fee.

And I'm sorry, but that's no kind of deal. It's just too much.

5. The same method can be applied to pretty much everything to which I'm subscribed, with the exact same results (adjusted numbers, of course).

The only exception is the Pathfinder Battles Case + Incentive. But that's working on a different discount system. While technically that's still a good deal, the slight drop in quality of the minis in the face of a slight improvement in quality from a direct competitor is a relevant issue but a discussion for a different day.

6. Those other subscriptions come with a slightly more worthy benefit than the Maps subscription. The Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, and Player Companion all have the added benefit of coming with a free copy of the PDF. Sure, if you look up my downloads, you'll see I've maybe downloaded only 25% of the available PDFs. Because I'm most of the DM in our campaigns, having the books usually will suffice. And when I need a quick reference I use another site that is great for fast searches. But it's definitely nice to own the PDF's, no doubt.

Granted, the Maps subscription still lets me print them out as PDF's. At first I thought I'd be using this often, to print out spares if I needed them. After all, when I first started playing Pathfinder so many years ago, I downloaded a big file of different Pathfinder Maps. This was before I even knew about the Paizo subscription service. I printed out the maps in as high-res as I could, and covered poster board with them, one scene on each side. Then I took it to Kinkos to have them lamented. I ended up with map boards that had no creases or anything in them--a totally flat playing surface. But after the flip-tiles came out, I soon realized I just didn't have the time, effort or the money to do this anymore. While I can't speak for anyone else, downloading the PDF flip-tiles just doesn't hold as much value in my eyes as downloading the PDF's for actual written material.

7. The benefit of having those free PDF's for Paizo's Adventure Path and Source books has been enough to outweigh the slight additional cost. While the Adventure Paths usually cost the same $17.49 to Pre-Order everywhere, the Player Companion and Campaign Setting are cheaper to Pre-Order elsewhere. For example, this month's Campaign Setting: Faiths of Golarion, costs just $15.97 at Game Nerdz, a $3.57 savings over the $19.54 I'm paying for my subscription. Meanwhile, next month's Player Companion: Wilderness Origins, is $10.47 for pre-order at Game Nerdz. And it estimates to cost me $12.74 here, a difference of $2.27, even with my Paizo Advantage factored. Again, that benefit of the free PDF's is nice. But it becomes less nice when factoring in shipping & handling charges.

8. With the $4.83 factored in to shipping for my subscription order this month, that's $2.42 added per book. So my Adventure Path total cost is $19.91, and the Faiths Of Golarion jumps to $21.96. That PDF benefit takes another hit. The shipping for Game Nerdz for the two books is a flat $3.00.

Through my Paizo Subscriptions, the two items in my order this month, Adventure Path #137 and the Faiths of Golarion, combine for a total--shipping included--of $41.86. The same two items through Game Nerdz costs $36.44. That's a savings of $5.62 through Game Nerdz. Another way to look at is my Paizo Advantage basically gets me the two PDF's for a combined $5.62. In my opinion, it's worth it. But that's more about my peace of mind than anything else; Truthfully, for how little I use the PDF's, it's probably not worth it.

9. Speaking of those PDF's, to purchase the Adventure Path and Campaign Setting this month in PFD form, it will cost a total of $33.98. That's $7.88 cheaper than getting the printed material in-hand from our Paizo subscriptions. Of course, we subscribers get those PDF's, too. So instead of those PDF's costing a combined $5.62, it's a bit more like they cost $7.88, or $3.94 each. For the savvy shoppers that absolutely don't need the printed books, subscriptions are still the way to go. Because they get both, they break even with a PDF-only subscription at the $33.98 mark. That means they've got two printed books they can toss up on eBay to sell in mint condition. Assuming they can sell each book for more than $3.94, they not only break even with what they paid for the PDF, they've made some extra money back to put towards further reducing the cost of the PDF. For example, if they've sold both books I mentioned for a combined $18 (after eBay's cut), that's a $10.12 "profit" to help offset the cost of the $33.98 PDF purchase--a price they were willing to spend regardless. So in this case, they'd essentially be getting the PDF's they wanted for a total of $23.86, or $11.93 per PDF book.

10. As I've pointed out several times, for me it's worth it for the Adventure Paths and source book subscriptions, as I do like having both mediums, print and PDF. But now when we add on those inflated prices for the Urban Starter Set, and things change...

11. If we add the Urban Starter Set to Adventure Path #137 and Faiths Of Golarion through the Paizo subscription process, it would have cost me an estimated $83.60. That's the $66.77 for the 3 products themselves (including the 15% savings), and the estimated $16.83 total for shipping. The same 3 items pre-ordered from Game Nerdz? $60.91. And that includes the same $3.00 flat rate shipping for all three items. So right there that's a savings of $22.69 on everything. Granted, that doesn't include PDF's through Game Nerdz. But if I really wanted to, I could take that $22.69 savings and buy the two relevant PDF's, and be out just $11.29. Obviously that's dumb. But it's a good marker at exactly how overpriced the Urban Starter Set is through this website.

12. And that doesn't even include the discount off shipping. Paizo offers me $10 off shipping of any purchase of $100 or more. But it's so rare to be able to take advantage of that offer. With Campaign Books, Player Companions, Pathfinder Modules, and RPG Main books not always getting a monthly release, I often fall short of the $100.00 on my subscriptions alone. So it's basically meaningless. When my orders do come out close to $100., it sometimes becomes beneficial to add things to our side-cart. But last time I tried doing this, it broke my order in two, and charged me shipping as if they were separate orders. This was remedied with the efforts of Paizo's amazing customer service. But I've tried a couple times now, and it just seems to be a hassle.

13. Furthermore, while the Paizo Advantage of 15% off some products is nice, most of the things on this site are actually still cheaper elsewhere, even after our discount. And even for the things that are cheaper here, or at least pretty close, it's often not enough once shipping costs is factored in. And that even includes the $10 off that Paizo pays if we do manage to hit the $100 mark. It's at the point where I more or less feel the only real thing worth purchasing is the Paizo convention miniatures, and a few other miniatures when I can't find them elsewhere.

14. And about those shipping costs... The three other online shops I mentioned are pretty great with their shipping. Both CoolStuffInc. and Miniature Market offer free shipping on any order $100 or more. During months where there is maybe $75-$85 worth of Paizo material in my Subscriptions, I get jealous of those that don't need PDF's at all. For them, adding something they really want and in order to reach the century mark--even another Paizo product--makes hitting that $100.00 mark worth it. Meanwhile, over here with my Pathfinder Advantage, all the same action does for me is add another item for which I have to worry about weight.

The real gem, though is Game Nerdz. Their free shipping offer starts on orders of $75.00 or more. So in our previous example, with Urban Starter Set, Adventure Path #137, and Faiths of Golarion, the total (minus $3.00 shipping) is $57.91. From there we need just $17.09 to escape that small $3.00 shipping charge. And while spending that $17.09 is basically spending more to save little, it matters. Remember, the same three printed items from Paizo costs $83.60. So right there we've essentially saved $8.60 assuming we hit the $75.00 threshold exactly. But that $17.09 to get us there had to be used on something. So keeping it in the Paizo family, how about we add Pathfinder Module: Cradle Of Night to our bounty? That's $17.47 on Game Nerdz.

So we end up with a haul that looks like this:
Paizo Subscriptions:
Item 1-->Flip-Tiles: Urban Starter Set = $29.74
Item 2-->Pathfinder Adventure Path = $17.49
Item 3-->Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Faiths of Golarion = $19.54
Pre-Shipping Total: $66.77
--Shipping = $16.83
Post Shipping Total: $83.60

Game Nerdz:
Item 1-->Flip-Tiles: Urban Starter Set = $24.47
Item 2-->Pathfinder Adventure Path = $17.49
Item 3-->Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Faiths of Golarion = $15.97
Item 4-->Pathfinder Module: Cradle Of Night = $17.49
Pre-Shipping Total: $75.38
--Shipping = Free
Post Shipping Total: $75.38

Sure, we don't get the PDF's at Game Nerdz. But we do get an extra Paizo product!

And if we felt like adding that Cradle of Night Module to our order? That's $24.21 more. But added pre-shipping, of course. So that total becomes $90.98, before shipping. We still laughably fall short of the $100.00 mark by $9.02, but the added weight from the book likely adds an extra $2.01 in shipping. (Based on an old order of only an Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, and Player Companion, which added $6.93 shipping, instead of the $4.83 this month for two of those books, an increase of $2.01). In other words, we now add $26.22 in shipping to that $90.98 store total.

To get the same four items through our Paizo subscriptions to our door here in Ohio, that's $117.20, including the now outrageous shipping cost of $26.22.

So...$75.38 through Game Nerdz vs. $117.20 through Paizo.
In other words, we'd be paying an extra $41.82

And hey, if the folks paying this type of money are using both the Map Tile and material book PDF's just as much as they are the printed products, then perhaps this is a good deal. But for me--at least regarding the Urban Starter Set, that's just too much.

15. I'm sorry for such a long answer, but I wanted to provide enough data for it to be useful in case your question was intended to gather data to be used for future decision-making. Obviously it can be summed up that the Urban Starter Set just isn't a good deal, financially. But perhaps having it broken down like that can help you better understand my thought process.

16. I can honestly say without a shadow of a doubt that Paizo shipping charges have completely driven me away from purchasing non-subscription single items unless they are website exclusives or a miniature I can't find anywhere else. Repeatedly.

17. I've seen other people complain about it, or question it, and sometimes the answers, when given, are similar. Sometimes it's about ads in books, that effect the class of shipping, and what qualifies. I don't know. I just know that right now if I finish filling out my cart to buy the Urban Starter Set and nothing else, it will cost me $12.00 in shipping. The same product can be had for $3.00 shipping from at least one, and a more typical $6.00 Flat Rate shipping from the others.

18. If you're wondering whether it matters, it does. Paizo is about to make a seismic shift towards another game format. After finally getting a chance to run playtests with my different groups, the best I can say is most of us seem to be on the fence about that format. While the meat of the official system upon release will be the ultimate driving factor whether we stay with Paizo and embrace PF2, it won't be the only one. Everything matters at this point.

Even if we don't stick around, there are still some nice draws to Paizo products. But also concern. Miniatures, for one, is a big deal for me and many at my table. Should we ultimately not stick with PF2, at the very least I would hope to continue such a subscription. Whatever system we gravitate towards, I like the look of Paizo creatures. But there have been many issues lately in that department. Unanswered questions about Sizes, or lack thereof, and about what to expect for PF2, long absences between blogs--again, now over a month since the last Blog post--and what surprisingly, shockingly, appears to be the first time the Battles line has fallen behind a direct competitor in actual miniature quality. Everything matters at this point.

19. So yes, my super long answer to such a simple question. But I do hope it helps. One thing I love about this company is even when I'm unsure about so many things, the customer service folks are always some the nicest and most helpful around.


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Sorry to jump in, but I had issues like this a few months ago. The system did the exact thing. CanisDirus, you are right about needing a working card on file, even if you've got enough store credit to cover the order. I'm not sure why it is, maybe it's just how the system they use works, perhaps running the card first to start the transaction itself.

For anyone else reading this, you need a working card of some kind. But it doesn't have to be an actual credit card. It can be a pre-paid gift card. I've weaned myself off credit cards, using PayPal, cash, or even checks now for most things. The card I've been using on my account is a pre-paid credit card. I left a dollar on it, just in case it needs to be "functioning". It's been working since August or September. So basically, even for those that are moving away from actual credit cards, the pre-paid ones should do just fine.


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Can you please cancel my Pathfinder Maps Subscription? Thank you so much in advance.


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Like many, I've been playing and DMing for a couple decades now. And I can totally understand the need to shift from Pathfinder 1 to Pathfinder 2. From a business perspective, it's a matter of survival. Stagnation is never good for business. Companies that survive always do so when they keep one eye on the future; Whether you like it or not, Wizards deserves a lot of credit for quickly realizing their 4e was a bust and moving on to something that better captured what they thought their target audience would want, for example. In that same vein, Paizo deserves plenty of credit for realizing it's time for them to move on.

As others have said, this means folks like me, that have primarily thrived in the 3.5-Pathfinder systems over the past 20 years, have choices to make. Do we continue with what we know? Can we? My groups didn't immediately jump to Pathfinder, instead we played mostly 3.5. But a few friends were able to show us enough from Pathfinder that we made the switch. As folks grew up and life took members elsewhere around the globe, I started DMing more and more. I've been slow to jump to 5e not because of any distaste, but because Paizo has kept me entertained and happy.

Is there another Paizo out there to pick up the slack from PF1? With Paizo putting all their eggs in the PF2 basket, it forces me to choose something new (PF2, 5e, or perhaps something new out there), or stay stuck in the 1.0/3.5 world forever. But because RPG's like this include new players coming through the proverbial gates every year, eventually my world will be phased out. And while I'll likely never lack for PF1/D&D 3.5 players, given my location on the map, the same can't be said for everyone. Furthermore, part of my enjoyment over the years had been luring new, young players away from their open world video games and into the wide-open world of tabletop fantasy games. I do a lot of DMing for young folks, and evolution into new systems--or at least systems for which new content is still created--is a requirement to stay viable.

Part of what has made Pathfinder so great for me is all the options. From the Core Rulebook on, it appears their goal has been to give players and DMs as many options as possible. It's been up to us to choose what we want in our own systems. With literally hundreds of books full of things to choose from over the years, it does at times get overwhelming. But the reality is much of it is just variation on their own themes; and in essence I'm paying for them to "do the work for me", when it comes to reshaping things. Fair enough.

While I'm caught in the vast net of whom I think the intended target audience is for PF2, that doesn't mean I'm an automatic lock to sign up. Sure, I'll be buying the PF2 Core Rulebook, DM Guide, and Bestiary 1 like everyone else that runs a game. And I'll most likely stick out 6 months of my Adventure Path subscription, to get a real taste of how the system plays in an "intended" setting. But Paizo delivering quality content to flesh out their amazing world is not the issue. They sold me on that years ago, and its why I've kept coming back. What it all boils down to is whether or not I like the new system.

After several unforeseen delays, I'll be play testing next weekend for the first time. I'm apprehensive. I've been looking over the material, and I can't say that I'm enthused. I'm always excited to try new things, but it feels like some of these changes are only going to continue what I considered weak areas in the Pathfinder 1 system. I'm most concerned about:

Pathfinder bloat: Pathfinder 1's blessing was also it's curse. They gave us loads of new Feats, some better than others. But Feat progression was hell. "Do you have a Feat for that?" was a common joke at my tables early in our adoption of Pathfinder. "Can you excuse me? I need to use the bathroom" always provoked such a joke. And the player often returned to "How many feats did you need before you could wipe yourself?" These jokes were definitely rooted in some truth. Paizo shot themselves in the foot, offering so many different Feats to help players better develop aspects of their character, while at the same time preventing some of the more interesting ones from every seeing play. Paraphrasing one of the most common comments/complaints I received at my table early on, "I really want to take this to flesh out her tendency to be so __, but I can't because it means I can't take Power Attack until level X, and that sets my combat progression back too much."

One of the biggest shocks for new players at my table already familiar with Pathfinder is how much I change or rip out from the core rules regarding certain "bloat" areas. After reading Michael Iantorno's 2012 blog post, "The Elephant in the Room: Feat Taxes in Pathfinder", I quickly adopted every change. In six years I've yet to look back. I've had exactly zero problems. Furthermore, changing the game this way let me realize that most players will better appreciate the ability to flesh out their characters instead of simply seizing the opportunity to maximize every mechanical aspect. I've made additional changes, some tweaking or waiving Feat pre-reqs, other times combining two similar, weak Feats together. I've also incorporated a system where in addition to handing out traditional RPXP, I reward players whose role-play in a session goes above and beyond. They can use these rewards immediately, often in the form of one additional die roll the following session. Or they can stack them over time and trade them in for new Feats, Spells, etc. from a list I've pre-selected. Regardless, it puts some of the fun and excitement back into the game that original Pathfinder bloat removed.

As I mentioned, there is concern for more Pathfinder Bloat in version 2. I appreciate the vast amount of Feats characters get, with the different types of Feats forcing players to flesh out and even balance their characters a bit more. But many of these Feats seem weak, and these starting Feats often seem to incorporate only parts of what once was freely given to new players. Not only does this seem to weaken the flavor of difference between races at the start, I worry it negates the reason for so many new Feats. Giving X amount of additional Feats compared to PF1 seems good, until one realizes the strength of 1 Feat in PF2 often equals a half-Feat in PF1. And anything that impedes character development--especially early on, is troublesome. Another example is, while I could be reading it wrong, it now costs a precious early Feat just to be able to play as a Half-Elf or Half-Orc? Why on earth does it cost additional resources to play what was once freely given? What's the incentive for a player to choose one of these two races, or heritages now? Perhaps I'm missing something, but consider me concerned.

Magic Castration: There is a difference between nerfing something and completely cutting off the cajones. Paizo nerfed the 3.5 Druid when converting it to PF1 rules. But PF2's magic system seems to revamp much of the way magic functions, at least from a mechanical standpoint. Ever since Paizo released the Summoner, it seems to be on an apologetic mission to balance out magic users with martial classes. They even released an entire book aimed to boost the prowess of martial classes while nerfing that of the Summoner. Zoinks! I get it. People seem obsessed with finding a balance. But realistically speaking, in fantasy (or extrapolated to our real-life world), why does balancing out magic and martial classes make sense? I thought my worst nightmare would come true, in that Paizo would try and balance the classes by making Martial characters much more powerful. Admittedly, I've only spent about an hour so far looking over the magic system. But so far it seems to me that Paizo's goal is to balance out all the classes by making them less powerful overall. I'm not really a fan of the balancing act to begin with, but we'll see how this method works out during actual play.

Resonance: I'll have to re-read this, as I'm a bit unsure what the point of it is. It seems to address a problem I've never really had, with too many slotless magic items? Perhaps the goal is to make them more interesting?

Going back to Feats, there appears to be some sort of weird lock on certain Feats now. So Fighters can no longer Cleave until higher levels? And Barbarians must wait for Power Attack? This seems so...anti-fun? Anti-roleplay? Why get all weird by locking in basic functions to specific classes. Instead of making those classes more fun to play, it makes every other class less fun to play. It's strange. This, along with the continued Feat bloat/taxes, could be the ultimate deal-breaker for me.

I'm reserving full judgement and grading until I've played through everything, both as player and DM. But some of these concerns are pretty big; we'll see how it all plays out.


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I just wanted to say thank you for putting a sticky on this so far (10 days or more) in advance. It really helps those of us that need to get our affairs in order.


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Cat-thulhu wrote:
I must say I’m disappointed by...clipped by me for space.

For me the issue is the future. I've got no problem remaining a Battles subscriber up through Ruins Of Lastwall. As I said in a previous post, Paizo has earned my trust as far as quality goes. And actual set content usually doesn't disappoint me, either. Besides, it will be the last set of Pathfinder Battles for 1.0, if I'm not mistaken. I mean...I might as well hang on.

The issues we've had will end up playing a role in whether I continue my relationship with Paizo as a whole as they make the transition into Pathfinder 2.0. For example, what will the Pathfinder Battles sets look like? All new versions of creatures that make up the backbone of fantasy, like Giants, Trolls, and Orcs? Will we get yet another Manticore? (For the record, I love the look of the Kingmaker Manticore). Or will we get a few new creatures from the PF2 Bestiary 1 and the rest be from the PF1 Bestiaries 2-6? Or will we see a return to direct Adventure Path-themed sets? I'm not even sure I know myself what I want the final answer to be. But...it's going to matter.

There are a few things I think I will need to see. Huge miniatures, for one. With the power and excitement of releasing an all-new version of their game, surely it is time to introduce a steady-ish stream of Huge-sized miniatures into the ranks of the Battles line. The lack of them--regardless of reason--is a glaring eye sore on what I would otherwise call a very successful run of miniatures.

Will we continue to see more Dungeon Dressing? It does seem popular. But as it is I'd still rather have the 8 spots for "repeat" miniatures. If it continues, will it consist more of pieces I can actually use, like spell effects? Or even better, pieces that can double up as actual creatures, such as Kingmaker's Gargoyle piece? I feel like at least those present some sort of a compromise. But I've got no real use for things like Braziers.

Obviously what matters most is how the actual system of PF2 turns out. This weekend marks the first time I'll actually have a chance to Playtest. Up until now, I've only had a chance to look things over. This isn't the place to get in a real discussion about that, but to sum it up I'm not overly enthused from what I've read. It all sort of reminds me of the Star Wars movie Solo. It's not inherently bad, it just seems like something created that nobody really asked for or wanted in the first place. Who knows? Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

I guess what I'm saying is I feel like I'm in complete unfamiliar territory with Paizo right now. I've given so much time and plenty of money to them. And it's been a very good ride, no doubt. But now it feels like there is this cloud of fog hanging over the future. It feels almost surreal, really.

To be fair, I know that some of it is perception. Am I making a mountain out of a few mole hills? Besides checking on my order status, 90% of my time spent on this website over the years has been spent on the Battles Preview blogs. As a DM, I mostly run Pathfinder. PF1 is great because I can toss out chunks of the system that are unnecessary and bog down character build creativity, like Power Attack, and many of the other Pathfinder Feat taxes. But the world they've created, Golarion, is extremely rich and easily trumps the main competitors, as I see it. Their monthly-ish sourcebooks have been a great resource. Even when I run campaigns in my own worlds I create, I'm constantly using characters, creatures and story points I rip from the Pathfinder books.

And so with little need to come here besides to get hyped for the Battles line, have I put too much emphasis on things like multi-week intervals of missed previews? Or the website being down for so long? Or even mechanical issues like still not being able to use PayPal to directly purchase store credit? (Which is an immediate transaction; I do understand why PayPal can't be used for subscriptions).

I understand that outside of some extended customer service issues, it is pretty much all hands on deck for the Playtest. And to be fair, that is probably how it should be. But I can't help but feel, at least a little bit, like I'm floating in a forgotten stream of consciousness.


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Mark,

Can you please pass along the source book information for two pieces in the Jungle Of Despair set:

#36 - Human Ranger
#37 - Dwarf Explorer

I'm looking for the name of the book and, if possible, the page with the stats and/or illustration.

The Dwarf Explorer has been discovered on Deviant Art, but not the corresponding Paizo sourcebook.

Thank you so much in advance.

**And thanks to everyone else that looked and was able to help discover the other source pages. It's been such a huge help!!**


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I posted this in the October Shipping thread, but I decided to copy and paste here, too. It's got some relevant information and questions that other Pathfinder Battles subscribers might be able to help with. Or perhaps it raises some concerns others haven't thought about.

**Start repost**

It appears, as per the email announcement (and as previously stated), we will get both incentives--so consider me relieved!

However, these incentives are still not showing up for me in the My Subscriptions section. It's still showing only the case itself, listed at the $279.99 Paizo Advantage price. (The Maps, Tiles, Campaign Setting and Adventure Path are all there, too.)

Each Incentive is listed at $34.99 on their own product pages, respectively. This means the combined Incentive charge for the two Incentives will be about $17.50. (per the 75% off Incentives discount).

My question is simple: Is it an oversight that this $17.50 charge has not shown up already with the rest of the chargeable items for October? Or is this something that will be added only after the order itself has spawned? In the past, the Incentive piece HAS shown up for me in the Upcoming Shipments Subscription. But because we are now dealing with an additional Incentive piece on a single Case, have things changed?

I'm frustrated. And my frustration brings with it the following questions:

1. The case, combined with my other subscription items, shows an Estimated Shipping & Handling charge of $38.55. Does this mean the Shipping & Handling charge currently presented only includes the five subscription items I see listed, and NOT the two case Incentives?

2. If question 1 is a YES, it means I can expect not only an additional charge of $17.50 (Incentives) but also an increased shipping charge for the two incentives. Is this correct?

3. If question 2 is a YES, can you please provide me with an estimate of how much the additional shipping charge will be for the two incentives? I've only ever ordered one incentive at a time.

4. The five items currently in my cart should cost $354.40, with another $38.55 in Shipping & Handling added on for a total of $392.95. If I allow for an additional add-on of $17.50 for the two incentives, the cost for my subscription items, WITH current shipping, becomes $410.45. But how much extra shipping will be added to that current $38.55?

5. Right now I'm staring at a potential overall cost of $392.95-$410.45, depending on what answers you supply for the first few questions. But it seems at the very lease I can assume another increase thanks to the shipping & handling of the two incentives, yes?

6. The $10 in Shipping & Handling that Paizo covers on orders of $100 or more has not been applied yet, correct? If I'm not mistaken it doesn't register until an order (that qualifies) has actually spawned.

The problem isn't that I can't personally adjust for the $17.50 Incentive charge and the cost of their shipping. The problem is I have absolutely no idea how much to add to cover that cost. I'm left completely in the dark. I don't know if it's going to be $5 or $10 more to cover shipping, or if the two incentives have actually been worked into my current costs, and I'm only on the hook for $392.95 in total costs.

I now use Paizo store credit to cover my monthly subscriptions. I've found that, at least in theory, I can make sure I have enough credit for every month before the order-spawning period begins and then rest easy. Those long, often 10- to 12-day waiting periods no longer stress me out. But it's hard to know how much credit to purchase if I've got confusion in the place of an informed estimate. And it matters because the money I use for credit doesn't just support this hobby, but another as well.

I hope I don't come off too angry here. I do appreciate the work everyone has done, and especially how kind everyone has been. But it's hard not to get frustrated. I actually brought these same issues up in this very thread back on Monday, September 17th. It sounds like it went unnoticed.

Combine that with the fact I'm now basically Blind-Buying nearly half a $300.00 case of miniatures on trust alone, and the nerves start to fray even more. We've still not seen images for 24 miniatures from the forthcoming Kingmaker Battles set. I do see you'll pass along our concern in that regard to Mark when he returns, so that's good.

I'm going to post this here and probably in the Miniatures Blog. While I hope a Paizo representative can answer some of these questions, there are others with Pathfinder Battles notifications that might be able to add some insight.

Sincerely,
Pigraven


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Thanks so much to Marco and Kalindlara for the help on identifying the sourcebook origin of the miniatures I asked about. It's an EXTREME help. I'll post my video review in a couple days.


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It appears, as per the email announcement (and as previously stated), we will get both incentives--so consider me relieved!

However, these incentives are still not showing up for me in the My Subscriptions section. It's still showing only the case itself, listed at the $279.99 Paizo Advantage price. (The Maps, Tiles, Campaign Setting and Adventure Path are all there, too.)

Each Incentive is listed at $34.99 on their own product pages, respectively. This means the combined Incentive charge for the two Incentives will be about $17.50. (per the 75% off Incentives discount).

My question is simple: Is it an oversight that this $17.50 charge has not shown up already with the rest of the chargeable items for October? Or is this something that will be added only after the order itself has spawned? In the past, the Incentive piece HAS shown up for me in the Upcoming Shipments Subscription. But because we are now dealing with an additional Incentive piece on a single Case, have things changed?

I'm frustrated. And my frustration brings with it the following questions:

1. The case, combined with my other subscription items, shows an Estimated Shipping & Handling charge of $38.55. Does this mean the Shipping & Handling charge currently presented only includes the five subscription items I see listed, and NOT the two case Incentives?

2. If question 1 is a YES, it means I can expect not only an additional charge of $17.50 (Incentives) but also an increased shipping charge for the two incentives. Is this correct?

3. If question 2 is a YES, can you please provide me with an estimate of how much the additional shipping charge will be for the two incentives? I've only ever ordered one incentive at a time.

4. The five items currently in my cart should cost $354.40, with another $38.55 in Shipping & Handling added on for a total of $392.95. If I allow for an additional add-on of $17.50 for the two incentives, the cost for my subscription items, WITH current shipping, becomes $410.45. But how much extra shipping will be added to that current $38.55?

5. Right now I'm staring at a potential overall cost of $392.95-$410.45, depending on what answers you supply for the first few questions. But it seems at the very lease I can assume another increase thanks to the shipping & handling of the two incentives, yes?

6. The $10 in Shipping & Handling that Paizo covers on orders of $100 or more has not been applied yet, correct? If I'm not mistaken it doesn't register until an order (that qualifies) has actually spawned.

The problem isn't that I can't personally adjust for the $17.50 Incentive charge and the cost of their shipping. The problem is I have absolutely no idea how much to add to cover that cost. I'm left completely in the dark. I don't know if it's going to be $5 or $10 more to cover shipping, or if the two incentives have actually been worked into my current costs, and I'm only on the hook for $392.95 in total costs.

I now use Paizo store credit to cover my monthly subscriptions. I've found that, at least in theory, I can make sure I have enough credit for every month before the order-spawning period begins and then rest easy. Those long, often 10- to 12-day waiting periods no longer stress me out. But it's hard to know how much credit to purchase if I've got confusion in the place of an informed estimate. And it matters because the money I use for credit doesn't just support this hobby, but another as well.

I hope I don't come off too angry here. I do appreciate the work everyone has done, and especially how kind everyone has been. But it's hard not to get frustrated. I actually brought these same issues up in this very thread back on Monday, September 17th. It sounds like it went unnoticed.

Combine that with the fact I'm now basically Blind-Buying nearly half a $300.00 case of miniatures on trust alone, and the nerves start to fray even more. We've still not seen images for 24 miniatures from the forthcoming Kingmaker Battles set. I do see you'll pass along our concern in that regard to Mark when he returns, so that's good.

I'm going to post this here and probably in the Miniatures Blog. While I hope a Paizo representative can answer some of these questions, there are others with Pathfinder Battles notifications that might be able to add some insight.

Sincerely,
Pigraven


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Also, thanks so much Marco for always supplying your knowledge of these miniatures.

I make video reviews on each miniature set. I've taken some time off for other reasons, but have started up again. I'm about a years worth of sets behind, but I'm pulling all the necessary information together for each set. What I find most helpful is all the times you mention from where the artwork a particular miniature is based on can be found within the great collection of Paizo sourcebooks and splatbooks.

Case in point: Your comment about the RotR Book #2 reference. Now I know exactly where to go to find out more information.

Having said all this, here is a challenge for you (or anyone else). Can you tell me from which book/s the artwork can be found that the following miniatures from the Jungle Of Despair set were based on:

#21 - Human Hunter
#36 - Human Ranger
#37 - Dwarf Explorer
#38 - Human Arcanist
#39 - Human Paladin Commander

I feel like some are really familiar but I can't remember from which books they come. Any help is greatly appreciated.


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I hope that makes sense. I know I'm not explaining it well. And you seem to be one of the only other people concerned. I don't know if the answer is just obvious and I'm an idiot, or others have already found the answers elsewhere. But bottom line, the Order Spawning date is five days away. And the last information we were told, we can choose whether we get one incentive (of our choice), both incentives, or none of them.

We've always had the option of getting the incentive or not. But that was a matter of basically opting in or out, yes or no. And most folks probably haven't bothered to make a change from their initial selection. But now with a third option available, I'm left to wonder if I have to manually change anything, or, as somebody that has ordered the incentive each time in the past, am I automatically signed up to receive both? Furthermore, will my bonus apply to BOTH incentives? Or do I only get one for the discounted price and then must pay the full $34.99 for the other?

It seems this would be prudent information to share with customers. Especially five days out.

I feel like I'm living in some Twilight Zone episode. I feel like I'm completely overlooking something, or I just missed where all this information was earlier supplied. The answers Marco supplied were great, but they don't really answer anything on the actually process of what each of us must do--if anything--from a technical process. That has to come from a Paizo representative.


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Marco Massoudi wrote:
Anguish wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:

I am glad that the blog is back, even if six minis is the absolute minimum required to make sure we see every render before release.

We will probably see real miniatures pictures somewhere else before the last blog though - I'd rather see them here.
Forget release date; I know I'll be cancelling my subscription if they're not all revealed before order spawn date. I know your ordering habit has been impacted by this too. I can't imagine we're the only ones.

Order spawning date is the 27th of september.

october 2018 shipping thread

Pigraven is also wondering about the case incentives in the thread, as there are no product pages for them yet.

I totally agree with you.
@Mark Moreland: Could you please post a list (no renders required) of the (remaining) minis in the set here?

Thanks so much, Marco.

I received some information about the Incentives less than a month ago as part of email correspondence for a previous order. The answer I received was basically in question to how the incentives would work, since there were two. (And we could basically choose one or both). At that time things were unknown, as they were still trying to get it nailed down from a technical perspective. I suggested that the information on how to sign up for them be posted both to the October order thread and one of these blog posts. I was told this would most likely happen.

Fast-forward to Monday, September 17th. I saw an October shipping thread was made. No mention of how to make sure we secure both incentives. (Not to mention how to choose only one for those that don't want both). I assume they still don't have the technical method functional yet, or surely somebody would have answered.

We are now only five days away from the Order Spawn date. I'm somewhat shocked the incentive information wouldn't be more forthcoming. If it were just a matter of having them both or none at all added to our orders, I could see things going about as normal. But if Paizo is going to end up including an option to only choose one of the Incentive Elementals, it implies there is going to be a slight change in the process. It also opens up the possibility that, given potential changes to the ordering system, there are steps we--the customer--must make to make sure we can secure both Incentives.


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As for the sentiments Marco and Cat-thulhu have shared, consider me a +1. I get it, Paizo has had a heck of a Summer, with website availability and PF2 Playtest issues being paramount. But the Previews still offer your potential customers a chance to see the product you are pushing.

As crazy as it sounds, this Battles Previews section was actually a major reason for my decision to sign-up as a Battles Subscriber in the first place. There is something to be said for product previews, beyond the practical information it offers for prospective buyers. It speaks to a consumer that you are actually excited yourself about the product you are putting out. At least that's what it said to me.

In truth, this section once set you apart from your main competitor. Shortly after they started with their own WizKids line of miniatures, they couldn't even be bothered to share more than the renderings found on the then-forthcoming miniature boxes. It wasn't until a week or so before each release a flood of product images flooded their social media. This was too little too late for many folks that had no clue what to expect if they purchased an entire case or a couple of bricks. And based on the quality of the miniatures in those early sets, it certainly felt like to me it was done on purpose that way to "hide" the product from consumers.

But here was Paizo, coming through almost every week with a preview showing off a few new pieces in a line not due out for another few months. "Come check out our product", it seemed to shout.

Recently that has changed. It almost seems like things have flip-flopped. I still believe Paizo is a half-step better in miniature quality than the main competitor, but the previews have been coming less frequently. Some of that is natural after scaling back Battles releases to just two sets a year. But we've since gone entire months without word about when we can expect a new set of miniature previews. Even now, with so few days before release of Kingmaker, the previews section seems sporadic at best.

This might not seem a huge deal, and perhaps it's really not on the grand scale of all things Paizo. But it's added to other little frustrations that have crept up with regards to the Battles line. At least that's the case from the conversations I've had and comments I've seen here, elsewhere online, and even in person.

For example, WizKids seems completely unwilling to include Huge pieces as part of a main set for the Pathfinder Battles line. With the competitor's November set due to include another round of Huge pieces--not to mention the random Huge Elephant in the most recent release--I'm a bit confused. If my count is correct, this will the third set of theirs to prominently feature Huge miniatures. In the past we've been told it's WizKids decision--but surely the competitor's success in this field would be enough for WizKids to give the OK to the Pathfinder Battles line, again? Especially now that it appears a method has been discovered that works. Perhaps it's just a matter of waiting until miniatures are made for Pathfinder 2? Regardless, it's frustrating; Pathfinder has some amazing artwork throughout their Bestiary books that would have made for some great Huge miniatures. The competitor's seem to be through most of their Huge Giants, and that opens up the forthcoming Huge spots for them to bring in the types of creatures the Pathfinder Battles line could have been giving us.

Perhaps most depressing is the inclusion of that Huge Elephant in the most recent release from the main competitor. It suggests that even if the larger-sized Huge miniatures were not an option, those on the smaller side of the Huge-scale could have just barely found their way into a few Pathfinder Battles sets.

While set piece Incentives like the Cemetery of the Fallen look great, I simply have no use for them. This, combined with dungeon dressing essentially replacing 8 PC or Creature miniatures I'd rather have in each release, is another issue. It seems to me that Dungeon Dressing pieces are a hit; they often seem sought after on the secondary market. While they are likely an overall success, it still creates a bit of polarization among Battles subscribers. Perhaps it's time, with Pathfinder 2 miniatures on the horizon, to begin a separate line of Pathfinder: Dungeon Dressing? Surely there is enough of a developed market that could support a Dungeon Dressing line? It might have to consist of smaller sets, or larger sets released at a less frequent pace. But I would think it is at least worth some consideration.

Even if you find there aren't enough interesting Gargantuan creatures that could sustain the Incentive releases, I'd much rather have two very well done Huge creatures than more set dressing. Especially if there is no other way for Paizo to get Huge creatures made.

It's a shame we never got a Huge Blue Dragon or Huge Green Dragon in any Pathfinder set. Their old Wizards counterparts from last decade aren't exactly cheap to obtain.


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I'm not just disappointed by a lack of Battles Previews this past week. I'm most frustrated with the fact we are still in the dark about how the process with the two incentive pieces will work for Pathfinder Battles subscribers. I haven't heard anything about it for months, since it was revealed that we are supposedly going to be able to purchase them both as part of our subscription. But that was months ago, and if it's been explained since, I completely missed it. I don't even see the option of the Kingmaker Incentive in my Upcoming Subscriptions section.

I've left a much longer, more descriptive inquiry about this in the October Shipping thread in the Customer Service forum. But anyone that is able to shed some light on it in here, please do. Order spawning is officially 10 days away and I've got no idea what steps I need to take to secure both Huge Elemental miniatures.

I'm also frustrated that with our general lack of knowledge with this information, it appears the first wave of elementals have sold out at a majority of the online retailers. Those of us hoping to get our hands on a second set--or even just be assured of getting them both the first time around--are now at a disadvantage.


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In addition to my post above this one, do you have the street date for the Kingmaker miniatures? The best answer I've found has come from a third-party website that lists it as October 24. I realize the current street date for Paizo Products is a week earlier, October 17th. This might have an effect on whether people want their Paizo product subscriptions shipped separately, or held and shipped all at once, correct?

If memory serves, the Battles date is likely controlled by WizKids. But I would imagine you'd have confirmation coming soon enough. Hopefully you can pass the information alone when it arrives.

Thanks in advance for any information you can share with us.


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With Authorization Spawning set to start in 10 days for the month of October releases, I'm still in the dark about how the Kingmaker Incentives--the Earth & Water Elemental--will be included. Can somebody please shed light on this for me?

My Pathfinder Battles subscription is marked to always include the incentive piece. But this time, I don't see it anywhere in my Upcoming Subscriptions section for October products under the Product Schedule section. I realize that these are not set in stone, but in the past the Incentive has always been included.

I assume this has been left out due to the need to split the Huge Water Elemental and Huge Earth Elemental into their own individual box, respectively. But how will this work for us? Will both Huge Elementals be available to us as counting as one Incentive piece? Or will we have to pick and choose which one we want to count and then pay full Pathfinder Battles Subscriber price for the other? Will you be able to ship both incentives together, or will you be splitting them up into two distinct shipments, on top of the Kingmaker and any other subscriptions we have? Has the cost of the two incentives--in conjunction with each other--gone up?

I'm certain this is pertinent information that many of your Pathfinder Battles subscribers would like to know. Maybe you've included this information elsewhere and I completely missed it. The only thing I can recall is being told we--as Battles subscribers--would have a chance to purchase both Elementals as part of our incentive deal. I believe the details were still being worked out at that time. But that was in a Pathfinder Battles Preview, and it's been several months. And again, the Order Spawning Date is in 10 days.

This information is important for people to know so they can move their money around, if necessary. It's also important for customers like me that now use store credit for all their monthly subscriptions. I need to know how much store credit to purchase to cover everything. I know the Upcoming Subscriptions section is not set in stone, and can sometimes be wonky before an order actually spawns. But it's also very valuable because it at least gives me a ballpark figure--including the applied shipping costs--for how much store credit I need in order to be fully covered. But at this point I'm not even sure how much the additional Incentive piece(s) will cost me, and how that will affect my shipping costs.

Please, can you figure out the answer and share it with us ASAP? It's frustrating enough to see that the majority of the online third-party stores have already sold out of their first wave of Elemental incentives. But I'm actually worried I won't even have a chance to secure the two highly sought Elementals from Paizo, even as a Pathfinder Battles subscriber. And that's in addition to being in the dark about the cost, the shipping options, etc.

Sincerely,
Pigraven


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game Subscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber

I sent an email about this a few days ago, but either the customer service response team is overwhelmed, or the recent site stability affected the email system.

I was successfully able to add a few items to my sidecart back near the beginning of the month. Everything looked fine and ready to go right before order spawning was generated for August orders. However, when generated, my August Subscription order only included four of the six dice-related items in my Sidecart, leaving out two items (2 sets of Q-Workshop Pathfinder dice).

I fully understand that sometimes you don't have products on hand. But neither of the Paizo dice sets I ordered (Wrath of the Righteous, Goblins!) were new or set on pre-order. Furthermore, there was no message on the original sales page or once I added the items to my cart to indicate they were not in stock. Not even an indication they were on backorder.

I specifically added the sets of dice, both the Pathfinder dice and the others, respectively, to allow my order--when combined with my August subscription orders, to reach the $100 threshold needed for Paizo to cover the first $10.00 in shipping. But with both the Q-Workshop items inexplicably dropped from my order, my total fell below that mark.

Today I received a shipping notification that the other four dice items were officially on their way, and that the order can't be meddled with. And of course, it still shows the two sets of Pathfinder dice in my Sidecart.

I guess, at this point, I'm just asking for clarification on what transpired with the Pathfinder sets from Q-Workshop that originally led to them being cut from my Order 5371943. My concern is that if I were to add things to my Sidecart between now and September spawning, things might inexplicably get bounced again.

Was this issue related to the website stability issue Paizo had this whole last week? Was it just a bookkeeping error on behalf of the computer system, failing to indicate these items were out of stock or going to ship at a later date? What can I do next time to make sure the items I order for the Sidecart are all included with my Subscription items?

Sincerely,
Brian


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game Subscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber
Fourshadow wrote:
I see there is no new thread for August shipments....any idea when those will be processed/shipped? Eagerly awaiting Heroes of the Fringe....

I'm with you. Just knowing the date of the expected order spawning would be mighty helpful.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game Subscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber
Marco Massoudi wrote:

Yesterday brought some pictures of actual "Waterdeep: Dragon Heist" minis.

They don't look so good imo.
I will probably not buy a case but cherry-pick.

I hope (and think so too) that next week will bring a big KINGMAKER (out in exactly 12 weeks!) preview from Gencon, as i have to decide if i'll order a case or 2 bricks - i'll definetly take the two elementals. ;-)

I don't think they (Waterdeep) look that bad. I feel like most pics I've seen taken so close, with such a bad angle, and with bad lighting make minis look really bad. Numerous times I've seen photos of WizKids' minis from both the D&D & Pathfinder lines, respectively, and they are a real turn-off. Then I get the mini in my hand and it looks so much better.

That doesn't mean I have high hopes for every piece from that line. That Xanathar looks very similar to the one from Monster Menagerie 2, arguably the worst Beholder I've seen in pre-painted plastic form. The face looks a bit better, but it continues to sport eyes that look like my four-year-old niece painted them.

I'm beyond excited about the Kingmaker minis. I love the choices so far, and from what I've seen they look great. I can't wait for another preview soon, plus whatever photos pop up from GenCon. I'm also eager for confirmation that we'll get a Large-sized Spriggan, too.

Speaking of GenCon, do we know yet if there will be GenCon-specific alternates? If so, do we know what they are?


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game Subscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber

So how do the two elementals being packaged separately work? If we get a case through our subscription, do we get the opportunity to purchase both elementals at the reduced rate for incentives? Or will we instead only get to pick one?


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game Subscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber
Sara Marie wrote:
Pigraven wrote:

I've scoured the site, including the My Accounts section, and I can't seem to find my Sidecart anywhere. I've switched browsers from Safari to Google Chrome and still nothing. At this point I'm thinking I might need a Service Rep to step in.

Perhaps I'm doing something wrong in my cart when going through the ordering process..

You do not have anything in your sidecart so it doesn't appear. I am advocating for some changes to how we display the sidecart for subscribers, including (I hope), a landing page specifically for sidecarts, and I think that showing "Your sidecart is empty," is something we should be doing. Not sure when or if that might occur, but its definitely on my radar.

Those changes definitely sound like good ideas.

Thanks for pushing the items through to my Sidecart. They show up now in the My Accounts section. Fingers crossed it all goes well come Order Spawning time.

Enjoy the rest of your day!


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game Subscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber

I've scoured the site, including the My Accounts section, and I can't seem to find my Sidecart anywhere. I've switched browsers from Safari to Google Chrome and still nothing. At this point I'm thinking I might need a Service Rep to step in.

Perhaps I'm doing something wrong in my cart when going through the ordering process..

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