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Ducks: The Durulz of the Keetland AKA Keets
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TYPE
Monsterous Humanoid 3 rp
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SIZE
Medium 0 rp
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BASE SPEED
Slow Speed -1 rp
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ABILITY SCORE MODIFIERS
Standard (+2 Dex, +2 Cha, -2 Wis)0 rp
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LANGUAGES
Standard 0 rp
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RACIAL TRAITS

Offense Racial Traits
Sky Sentinel (3 RP)

Movement Racial Traits
Vestigial Wings (2 RP)
Swim (2 RP)

Total 9 rp


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Paris Crenshaw who has added things to Clockwork Gnome Publishing and our very own journal the Wayfinder is doing a membership push. So, if you are on facebook come over and give him a like. He is running a membership drive and will be producing some quality schwag if he gets his membership high enough. Plus you get a say in the design of the freebie product.

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Just what the title says, name your top ten comic book super heroes. I have seen several lists and they tend to be all over the place. Superman, Batman, Spawn, and Spider-man all seem to make the list each time. Others seem to vary. Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Captain America, Silver Surfer, and the Punisher tend to be on most lists. Whats your top ten?

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TV star Andy Griffith has died

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You know it's weird, we have a 3.X forum, a 4th/potential 5th edition forum, and a Other games Forum {excludes all things D&D} but no 1st/2nd edition forum or even OSR forum.Perhaps it is time to rename the forums a bit. Say D&D of days gone past and D&D current editions? I am sure someone can come up with a better idea than mine.

I was just wanting to ask a few questions of the older versions of the game and we have no real place to put the threads.

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Wikipedia English Language Blackout

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You will not believe.

So basically Action comics #1 found in a storage locker after auction, was sold for over 2 million.

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I have been thinking of re-skinning the main races to give a different feel for the game.

Humans - would remain untouched but have about 3 cultures. All of which are barbaric or northern aspected. In Golarian terms think Irrisen, Lands of the Linnorm Kings, and the Realm of the Mammoth Lords. With just a touch of Numeria and Varisia thrown in for good measure.

Dwarves - would be humans bred to be small and stocky for hard labor. They would be tied into one of the three aforementioned cultures.

Half-Orcs - Would be degenerate or bestial men. Those that have lived in seclusion so long that they are now deformed and almost de-evolved.

Elves - would be known as Easterlings. Men from the far realms who have modified themselves by deep connections to ancient magics. More Vudra than Minkai.

Half-Elves - Will be known as the Reborn. undead brought to life by the use of positive energy magic, through strange rituals. Their culture is connected to that of the Easterlings.

Halflings - would be Satyr. A strange arcanely modified race. Some scholars think they were woodland creatures given sentience and anthropomorphism by an ancient archmage. Think small sized Tieflings.

Gnomes - Elves, more in kin to leprechauns, brownies and such and keeping the strange hair and connection to the feyrealms.

So any suggestions?

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RIP

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The famous character Sanjûrô was in 4 films?

1961's Yôjinbô aka Yojimbo
1962's Tsubaki Sanjûrô aka Sanjuro
1970's Zatôichi to Yôjinbô aka Zatoichi Meets Yojimbo which in turn was one of around 20 - 30 Zatoichi films, which are still being made.
and
1970's Machibuse aka The Ambush: Incident at Blood Pass

The character and stories have been copied several times most notably by Clint Eastwood as the "Man with no Name" but was in fact copied from an American book The Red Harvest by Dashiell Hammett.

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RIP

Karl Slover, actor who played trumpeter Munchkin in ‘The Wizard of Oz,” dies at 93 in Ga.

You know it is good thing that the movie was not done today, there would be 5 crappy sequels by now.

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The Many Ways Muhammad Ali Messed With Joe Frazier's Head

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CNN.com

Very cool, I did not see another thread on this.

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Yes he is old as the hills now. Yes he has not really been in many movies lately. But I was inspired by this old thread and I for one would like to see it. Just one more time.

Quote:


Dirty Harry one more time vs. any villian
"GO AHEAD Mr. Eastwood, Make OUR DAY!"

Harry Callahan as an old fart with a big gun sitting on his porch shooting at the criminals.

What a movie it would make.

OK, OK maybe not on his porch, maybe as the old detective asked about that one case that got away.

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Live-action role players conjure up a demon from hell by mistake and must deal with the consequences.

Of the Credited cast:
Peter Dinklage ... Hung
Ryan Kwanten ... Joe
Summer Glau ... Gwen
Jimmi Simpson ... Ronnie Kwok
Steve Zahn ... Eric
Margarita Levieva ... Beth
Danny Pudi ... Lando
Michael Gladis ... King Diamond

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I heard there was a party?

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Relax it is only politics.

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So what would you make as a pathfinder based on concepts from the Avengers?

Thor - Fighter
Iron Man - Cavalier/Alchemist
Ant-Man - Wizard
The Wasp - Sorcerer
Hulk - Barbarian
Captain America - Paladin/Monk
Hawkeye - Ranger
Quicksilver - ???
Scarlet Witch - Witch [D'uh]
Swordsman - Fighter
Hercules - ??
Black Panther - Monk
Black Knight - Cavalier
Wonder Man - ??
Vision - Magus
Doctor Druid - Druid/Wizard

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6,775,235,700 - current, and counting
5,978,000,000 - 1999
978,000,000 - 1800
682,000,000 - 1700
580,000,000 - 1600
458,000,000 - 1500

Just mind boggling when you think of it. Could the numbers in the past maybe be wrong? Some one is always saying that such and such scientist possibly has under estimated how many people were in such and such region. Or some historian is always saying that the notes listed of the past were greatly exaggerated, unless archeological find show otherwise, which they seem to often do. Even then the numbers are staggering. The estimates are even larger. 9,746,000,000 by 2150 barring disasters or wars. Yet we cut funding for space exploration? Where do we think we will put everyone?

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It is all Sebastian's fault.

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And the award goes to............

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Could be.

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Aren't they all?

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Spoiler:
FNORD!!

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Get to the point!

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I would like to think so.

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No I am not restating it!

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Found a way to have the PC's actually immersed in the game world and not worrying about what their build will be in 3 levels let alone 20th?

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Simple as that, if you were in charge what would you change?

I for one would officially retire characters. Some of them are just dead. It has been years. They have been replaced.

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Kansas

Spoiler:

1. A ball of twine in Cawker City measures over 38' in circumference and weighs more than 16,750 pounds and is still growing.
2. A grain elevator in Hutchinson is 1/2 mile long and holds 46 million bushels in its 1,000 bins.
3. South of Ashland the Rock Island Bridge is the longest railroad bridge of its kind. It measures 1,200 feet long and is 100 feet above the Cimarron River.
4. At Kansas State University College of Veterinary Medicine waterbeds for horses are used in surgery.
5. Kansas won the award for most beautiful license plate for the wheat plate design issued in 1981.
6. Dodge City is the windiest city in the United States.
7. At one time it was against the law to serve ice cream on cherry pie in Kansas.
8. The first woman mayor in the United States was Susan Madora Salter. She was elected to office in Argonia in 1887.
9. The first black woman to win an Academy Award was Kansan Hattie McDaniel. She won the award for her role in "Gone with the Wind."
10. Kansas inventors include Almon Stowger of El Dorado who invented the dial telephone in 1889; William Purvis and Charles Wilson of Goodland who invented the helicopter in 1909; and Omar Knedlik of Coffeyville who invented the first frozen carbonated drink machine in 1961.
11. Smith County is the geographical center of the 48 contiguous states.
12. Amelia Earhart, first woman granted a pilot's license by the National Aeronautics Associate and first woman to fly solo across the Atlantic Ocean was from Atchison.
13. Dwight D. Eisenhower from Abilene was the 34th President of the United States.
14. Silent comedian Buster Keaton, of early film success, was from Piqua, Kansas.
15. The three largest herds of buffalo (correctly called bison) in Kansas are located on public lands at the Maxwell Game Preserve (McPherson), Big Basin (Ashland), and Buffalo Game Preserve (Garden City).
16. Fort Riley, between Junction City and Manhattan, was the cradle of the United States Cavalry for 83 years. George Custer formed the famed 7th Cavalry there in 1866. Ten years later, at the Battle of the Little Big Horn, the 7th was virtually wiped out. The only Cavalry survivor was a horse named Comanche.
17. Wyatt Earp, James Butler "Wild Bill" Hickok and William B. "Bat" Masterson were three of the legendary lawmen who kept the peace in rowdy frontier towns like Abilene, Dodge City, Ellsworth, Hays, and Wichita.
18. The public swimming pool at the Lee Richardson Zoo in Garden City occupies half a city block and holds 2 1/2 million gallons of water.
19. Cedar Crest is the name of the governor's mansion in Topeka, the state capital.
20. Barton County is the only Kansas County that is named for a woman; the famous volunteer Civil War nurse Clara Barton.
21. The Arkansas River may be the only river whose pronunciation changes as it crosses state lines. In Kansas, it is called the Arkansas (ahr-KAN-zuhs). On both sides of Kansas (Colorado and Oklahoma), it is called the Arkansaw.
22. Civil War veteran S.P. Dinsmoor used over 100 tons of concrete to build the Garden of Eden in Lucas. Even the flag above the mausoleum is made of concrete.
23. Handel's Messiah has been presented in Lindsborgeach at Easter since 1889.
24. A monument to the first Christian martyr on United States Territory stands along Highway 56 near Lyons. Father Juan de Padilla came to the region with the explorer Coronado in 1541.
25. Hutchinson is nicknamed the Salt City because it was built above some of the richest salt deposits in the world. Salt is still actively mined, processed and shipped from Hutchinson.
26. There are 27 Walnut Creeks in the state.
27. There are more than 600 incorporated towns in the state.
28. Morton County sells the most trout fishing stamps of all the Kansas counties.
29. Fire Station No. 4 in Lawrence, originally a stone barn constructed in 1858, was a station site on the Underground Railroad.
30. The Hugoton Gas Field is the largest natural gas field in the United States. It underlies all or parts of 10 southwestern Kansas counties as well as parts of Oklahoma and Texas. The gas field underlies almost 8,500 square miles, an area nearly 5 times as large as the state of Rhode Island.
31. The Kansas Speleological Society has catalogued at least 528 caves in 37 Kansas counties. Commanche County has at least 128 caves and Barber County has at least 117 caves.
32. Kansas has the largest population of wild grouse in North America. The grouse is commonly called the prairie chicken.
33. Milford Reservoir with over 16,000 acres of water is the state's largest lake. The reservoir is located northwest of Junction City.
34. The Geodetic Center of North America is about 40 miles south of Lebanon at Meade's Ranch. It is the beginning point of reference for land surveying in North America. When a surveyor checks a property line, he or she is checking the position of property in relation to Meade's Ranch in northwest Kansas.
35. In Italy the city of Milan is 300 miles northwest of Rome. In Kansas, Milan is less than 25 miles northwest of Rome, in Sumner County.
36. Between 1854 and 1866, 34 steamboats paddled up the Kaw River (Kansas River). One made it as far west as Fort Riley.
37. In 1990 Kansas wheat farmers produced enough wheat to make 33 billion loaves of bread, or enough to provide each person on earth with 6 loaves.
38. Holy Cross Shrine in Pfeifer, was known as the 2 Cent Church because the building was built using a 2 cent donation on each bushel of wheat sold by members of the church.
39. Kansas produced a record 492.2 million bushels of wheat in 1997, enough to make 35.9 billion loaves of bread.
40. The American Institute of Baking is located in Manhattan.
41. A 30 foot tall statue of Johnny Kaw stands in Manhattan. The statue represents the importance of the Kansas wheat farmer.
42. The graham cracker was named after the Reverend Sylvester Graham (1794-1851). He was a Presbyterian minister who strongly believed in eating whole wheat flour products.
43. The rocks at Rock City are huge sandstone concretions. In an area about the size of two football fields, 200 rocks, some as large as houses, dot the landscape. There is no other place in the world where there are so many concretions of such giant size.
44. George Washington Carver, the famous botanical scientist who discovered more than 300 products made from the peanut, graduated from high school in Minneapolis in 1885.
45. The First United Methodist Church in Hutchinson was built in 1874 during the time of the grasshopper plagues. The grasshoppers came during the construction of the churches foundation but the pastor continued with the work. As a result, thousands of grasshoppers are mixed into the mortar of the original building's foundation.
46. A hailstone weighing more than one and a half pounds once fell on Coffeyville.
47. The Oregon Trail passed thru six states, including Kansas. There were no Indian attacks reported on the Oregon Trail as the travelers passed through the state.
48. Russell Springs located in Logan County is known as the Cow Chip Capital of Kansas.
49. The world famous fast-food chain of Pizza Hut restaurants opened its first store in Wichita.
50. Sumner County is known as The Wheat Capital of the World.

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Has anyone ever cored the rules down, so that they are not using every single option?

Say less Classes and or Races?

Or maybe removing a lot of Feats/Talents?

If so how well did that work for you?

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James Arness, 1923-2011

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Via How stuff works

10. Benjamin Franklin did not discover electricity when his kite was struck by lightning in 1752. In fact, electricity was already well known at the time. Instead, Franklin was trying to prove the electrical nature of lightning.

During a thunderstorm, as Franklin flew a silk kite with a metal key near the end of the string, he noticed the fibers on the line standing up as though charged. He touched the key and felt a charge from the accumulated electricity in the air, not from a lightning strike. This was enough evidence to prove his theory that lightning was electricity.

Had the kite been struck by lightning, Franklin would likely have been killed as was Professor Georg Wilhelm Richmann of St. Petersburg, Russia, when he attempted the same experiment a few months later.

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And no one Smurfy cares.


Lighten up Francis


IBTL

How long till these threads stop being funny?

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Story of note

this was from Mar 17th 2011, I am just now seeing this.

When no one was looking, Lex Luthor

took forty cakes. He took 40 cakes.

That’s as many as four tens.

And that’s terrible.


Consensus of US Presidents.
Note current President not included.

Top Ten:
Abraham Lincoln
FDR
George Washington
Jefferson
Teddy Roosevelt
Woodrow Wilson
Harry S Truman
Dwight D Eisenhower
Andrew Jackson
James K Polk

Bottom Ten:
George W. Bush
Zachary Taylor
John Tyler
Ulysses S. Grant
William Henry Harrison
Millard Fillmore
Franklin Pierce
Andrew Johnson
Warren G. Harding

Any other great Top tens or bottom tens?


It is the Law!


Yeah you read that right. What do you think your going to do about it?

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Any chance someone has done an update to say The Wizards Amulet and/or Crucible of Freja? If so I would love to see it. If not I may have to do it myself, is there any interest if I were too?


Let it be!

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Why not?


This was inspired by another thread.

Previously, I certainly considered myself nationalistic. I served my country by purchasing stuff. I even watched a number of bad TV shows on Military Intelligence, which I expect, would have an even higher number of people with a strong sense of nationalism. After all, you must be willing to watch things which can, sometimes, be considered morally questionable (soft core and all that it entails) by merit of believing your side is in the right.

As I have gotten older, I have wondered if nationalism is all it is cracked up to be.

Nationalism is often an arbitrary veneration of real estate above principles. --Sum dude.

It seems a common theme in some circles to somehow suggest an opponent is inferior by questioning their Nationalism. "Why do you hate New Jersey?" This accusation often times has little to no relevance to the issue or the particular stance on that issue.

Besides, it seems to me possible one could be unnational without hating one's country. One could feel that no one country is above the others.

What exactly does Nationalism not mean and why is it something to strive not for?


fart in public and blame it on the pony.

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Here is where we can have discussions about the game OOC without taking up room on the game thread.

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I understand, I do, and I sympathize as well, but after several days of this being on my mind and discussing it with people (which, I am quite sad to say, had the unfortunate result of some rather toxic commentary lobbed my way by several people on other forums and sites who purport to be diehard fans of the game same as I), I am still beyond pained by this. It is with heavy heart that me and my group have decided to go to other systems after finding that this has (rather surprisingly to me) taxed my and several other people in my group's mental and emotional health far too much.

I wish Pathfinder in general and Paizo in specific the absolute best and thank them for the years of joy they've brought me and my group.


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LordeAlvenaharr wrote:
Caldax the Shadow wrote:

This is a decision I cannot agree with. Drow are second favorite version of elves and to see them just cast aside like this is just WRONG. I've already told people at my table and game groups I'm doing the opposite and will be banning serpentfolk and instead expanding the Drow lore and such even more.

I love Pathfinder, I love the drow, and see them cast aside like this in all honesty almost feels like a good friend being dragged away to never be seen again by another friend who is trying instead to shove what feels like a stranger into the group and acting like nothing has changed.

Exactly what I feel. One of my great characters was drow rogue/assassin Shaal Azzar Levianko, a character I cherish to this day. I imagine that now the cave elf is in fact the "official" drow of Paizo. I know that we as players and GMs don't give a damn because our table, our rules. No lawyer can change that, (go Wizard, send a lawyer here sends him, he goes up the slum and never comes down again! I'm full of friends there!), but I always preferred to have something official, so I hope that Paizo is at least "smart" and creates a talent tree for cave elves, at least as I understand it, this shouldn't hurt any license. Here in Brazil we have a term that translated should be "You can copy, just don't do the same...", which I believe fits well with that. I just hate it now, in case I play it, because A) my GM only thinks about Starfinder and B) I still haven't swallowed this "remastered" version of the game, my thaumaturge will be a cave elf lol! I hope my idea touches the heart from someone at Paizo and they give a "dark" talent tree to the elves and everyone who lives underground. Which before all this fighting, would already be the smartest thing to do...

My favorite character I ever played in my 18 years of gaming was a drow. My second character ever was a drow. The character I played at highest level was a drow. My first campaign I ever ran centered on the drow. The reason I even started buying Pathfinder products and getting into it was because of Second Darkness (and Jade Regent). This HURTS and I am almost certain they will not be adjusting/expanding the current elf in PF2e to encompass the drow anymore so than can be seen now...


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This is a decision I cannot agree with. Drow are second favorite version of elves and to see them just cast aside like this is just WRONG. I've already told people at my table and game groups I'm doing the opposite and will be banning serpentfolk and instead expanding the Drow lore and such even more.

I love Pathfinder, I love the drow, and see them cast aside like this in all honesty almost feels like a good friend being dragged away to never be seen again by another friend who is trying instead to shove what feels like a stranger into the group and acting like nothing has changed.


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Vidmaster7 wrote:
DM Alistair wrote:
Kill alignments.
That would be an evil action.

Sometimes one must do evil for the greater good.


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Kill alignments.


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They killed alignment restrictions on every other class except Cleric though they hogtied the cleric even more by stating they MUST worship a god while in 1e it was stated you could choose not too. Listen, Paladins should be allowed more alignment leeway. Either all good or the four-corners. But what do I know, I'm like 2 inches away from dropping Pathfinder entirely because it seems like for every time they try to change the game for the better it fails and what I've seen of 2e I am not impressed at all. There is not one thing I have read or seen or heard of that makes me go "yeah, I want to play that/run that." Not one thing. And the paladin issue just goes straight to the fore of the list of issues I've had with the game since 1e's release.


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I like curing wands since it lets the party keep going. What next? Nerf wands of magic missile?


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eternaldesire wrote:
Tarik Blackhands wrote:

Conversely

"Throw another fireball Gandalf!"

"Sorry, I only studied it once the night before, I can't do it again,"

"You wha-"
-Death by orcs

Doesn't happen in any fantasy novel either. Turns out that most RPG mechanics don't actually translate to other mediums. Weird that.

But those novels are what most groups are trying to recreate at their table.

I have never once met a group that tried to emulate Lord of the Rings, not even in the One Ring RPG. 70% of the time they become Monty Python and the Holy Grail knock-offs and the other 30% is something more akin to the Slayers anime.


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Still not liking resonance...


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Yeah, if this is going to limit things like what my character can wear for a day, it's not cool. I can see it being a thing to limit wands, staves and maybe rings but I will rage out (and I rarely do) if this is extended to cover other gear.


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Classes should be as open as possible within reason, limited only by codes, oaths, divine anointment, etc. Archetypes can impose alignment, racial and even gender limitations within reason.

But I'm also all for chucking the alignment bits altogether, especially since it sounds like detect evil will be focused more on INTENT rather than ALIGNMENT now.


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And the more I hear the more I get excited! Looking forward to August and nabbing a playtest book!


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Awesome! Thanks for making this!


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Jason Bulmahn wrote:

Folks... let's take a breath here. We get that people are passionate about paladin, and we have an entire blog scheduled to look at the class.

I don't want to spoil it just yet, so please give us some time. I promise that we hazve looked into this deeply and I think we've come up with a pretty great solution.

*Holds breath in hope Paladins can be any alignment and are just renamed Warpriests*


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I personally want to scrap alignments but that's me. If they do keep alignments, why not have the four-corners paladins (LG LE CG CE)? Choice isn't bad, is it?


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I would also like to see each creature get a special base ability and more difficult ones get their own reaction abilities as well like how 4e did it


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Scintillae wrote:
DM Alistair wrote:
KILL ALIGNMENTS PLEASE

Why?

Alignment is useful. It helps provide quick shorthand for characterization. From a DM perspective, it's useful for the many, many NPCs that get thrown our way. It can influence tactics and motivations without spending paragraphs detailing such.

More often than not it causes arguments, particularly where Paladins are involved (ie Orc Baby Dilemma or the "if your character ends up using an unholy weapon, even if they are unaware that it is unholy, does it make the paladin fall" or the dreaded "I burn the orphanage to the ground because I'm chaotic neutral, lol!")

And, having played plenty of systems without alignments, I can say that many of these arguments just never arise. Even in 5e, which kept alignments, by making them more or less unimportant except for a few extreme cases it has opened up the field to a whole lot more roleplay potential by making players not feel straight-jacketed into alignments and having to not only police their actions but also having the other players and the DM police them too.

I honestly hope they ditch alignments or at least downplay their significance. Then again I also hope they ditch most of the Paladin class and make it more-or-less the Warpriest but that's just me.


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KILL ALIGNMENTS PLEASE


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Gondolin wrote:

DM Alistair wrote :I never understood the hate against 4e and 5e.

For me, it was because when WoTC hyped their upcoming 4.0 and told us : «in the meantime, keep playing and buying D&D 3.5.» Only to find out later thant the 500$ worth of stuff I bought from those dweebs, would not be useable with 4.0. So I stuck with Paizo and Pathfinder and never gave WoTC another dime.

And most of 3.5 was invalidated in Pathfinder except by GM fiat.

4e was a fun game, I honestly, truly wish people had given it a proper shot. 5e is also a fun game and appears to be just plain dominating the market in both sales and visibility with so many podcasts and such showing people playing it and discussing it.

I said it already but I'll say it again - Change is not bad and Paizo as a company needs to innovate to stay afloat. If they don't then their fan base will continue to shrink. The d20 system is nearly 20 years old and it's showing! What was once new and exciting (feats, the sorcerer class, skills) are now so worn down and trodden over that many people either balk at them or just try to find new and exciting other things (Why play a sorcerer when you can be a bloodrager? Why take that feat which requires 4 other feats to unlock when you could use this 3pp feat that does the same thing and is only 1 feat? Etc etc).

PF2E? Yes please!


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Brother Fen wrote:

Bloat is a pejorative term used by gamers to manipulate perceptions.

Pathfinder mechanics are more like battalions of an army moved into position as needed. There is no bloat.

I just plain have to disagree with you. There are tens of thousands of rules, many options that should not be tied down in certain ways (such as Power Attack being a feat and not just something anyone can do) and more. And the sheer amount of rules turns of many players (I had one prospective player balk and leave after seeing d20pfsrd and panicking that they would not be able to make a viable character even AFTER I and the other players stated we would help them build one).


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I'm a bit of an oddity in that I have loved every game I've ever played. Basic D&D, AD&D 2e, 3(.5)e, 4e, 5e, Pathfinder, Strike!, LotFP, DCC RPG, White Wolf, WHFRP 2e, The One Ring, BCG/Z, BFRPG, Darker Dungeons and more!

I HATE edition wars. They are divisive and more often than not bring out the worst in the gaming community. I loved 4e and feel so slighted that so many people balked at it simply because it was different. I felt the same way when people balked at 3e when 2e was winding down. And, while it was not as pronounced, I know more than a few people who freaked when WotC announced 5e.

Pathfinder 2e is something long needed. the d20 system is being weighed down and becoming far too bloated to be healthy. It needs to slim down or die from it's own weight.

That does not mean I hate Pathfinder! I love Pathfinder! I fully intend to continue playing it just like I do so many other games! Change is not bad, change is needed lest system fatigue occurs.

So bring on P2E! I embrace it!


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I never understood the hate against 4e and 5e. It just does not gel with me how people can rage so badly at a game. You don't like it? That's fine! At least acknowledge the game! "It doesn't feel like D&D!" What is D&D? Original was literally "dungeon crawl and try to rob monsters of loot," Basic much the same. But the game evolved and began to be more narrative-focused as the years went on because more people joined in and became invested in the game. Saying 4e (or 5e in some people's cases) isn't D&D just makes no sense because 3e certainly does NOT feel like Original or Basic or Advanced D&D! And I remember the massive RAGE people had at it because of that!

Change is not bad! I certainly wish more people had given 4e an actual chance because it was good! And 5e is just crushing it sales wise and play wise (look at the number of games people are looking for it/running it on Roll20 or in numerous gamefinder forums across the net)!

Pathfinder needs to innovate or it will die. Like others have said, the massive rules bloat can make making a character daunting and the massive power discrepancy between spellcasters and martials is just ridiculous! I've had players at my tables quit because the differences in power and I've had players back away from games after looking at the sheer mass of rules the game has. Check out the srd or any other site that has the rules listed and imagine if you were brand new to the hobby and people directed you towards Pathfinder only to see not only 10,000+ rules but errata buried deep in more errata, forums filled with players having to detail ways to make sure your character doesn't fail at what they are supposed to even do and how you NEED 3pp supplements to make certain builds even possible.

Streamline and cut the bloat. There is 0 reason why feats should be so deep just to do one thing, that wizards can make almost any other class useless (and yes, just for fun once I ran an all-wizard party and yes, they summoned in monsters that were better fighters than fights or healed better than a cleric, cast spells that made them sneak better than rogues and more!) and balance the issues that have been yelled about from one end of the internet to the next for the last 18 years!

Bring on Pathfinder 2e, I invite it! If it makes the game even remotely easier to run or play in, then it is both wanted and needed imho.


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I, for one, welcome our new 2e overlords.


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I hope they go in a set pattern for stretchgoals - game feature, class/archetypes and then a race/alternative racial traits.


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According to Kicktraq, PF:KM is on course to make over $2 million.

http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/owlcatgames/pathfinder-kingmaker/


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Why do people say it's hard to understand him? I actually was able to listen to him quite nicely while doing other things on the computer. Sure, he has an accent and all but he's understandable...


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Alright everyone, I'm getting even more excited the more I see and learn! Hopefully they upload the kingdom video again real soon.


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And it is halfway funded!


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Rysky wrote:
I want to save the puppy.

Saving the puppy allows the demon army to summon the dark lord. Kicking it brings about a utopian age of peace and prosperity.

You evil, evil person! XD


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Here's hoping I win the lottery tonight. I'd do a double Kickstart to get a quest and NPC in the game!


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How did I never think about prestige classes? Jeez, I hope that becomes a stretch goal! Getting to play a Fighter who prestiges into Aldori Swordlord would be the greatest. If not that, I'll take the archetype of the same name.

Here's another thing I am curious about - campaign traits. Traits have joined with archetypes in my opinion in that they are almost needed for any Pathfinder game to feel like it's a true Pathfinder game.


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Backed for early-bird access. Within just 14 hours they are about 28% funded. I think we may easily see $1 million folks.

Can't wait to hear more about what the stretch goals will be


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The more I read the more I get excited. I really hope that "we have 5 companions" thing means "you can have up to 5 companions" or else I'm going to be woefully disappointed in that regard but everything else sounds great.


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Depending on who you recruit to your team and what things you do will "change the story"

https://www.pcgamesn.com/pathfinder-kingmaker/pathfinder-kingmaker-chris-av ellone-interview


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Stratagemini wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
GeraintElberion wrote:
They've recently been funded by a larger organisation...

Not quite. Owlcat was formed as a separate studio by a larger organization (My.com, which is in turn a subsidiary of an even bigger organization, Mail.ru) specifically for this game.

That is, we're not talking about a small company who managed to get some money from a bigger company to do the game—we're talking about a big company that specifically assembled a small company to do the game.

So it's a wholly-owned subsidiary formed specifically to create this game? How did that happen? Did the game come first or was the studio formed and then Paizo approached?

From what I've read, they have been trying to get a game running since one of the guys worked for Obsidian and they got this team together to show a version to Paizo recently and they gave it the green light. So it is a company that, at the moment, was specifically designed to make Kingmaker and will be trying to get the game prepped and ready for a Summer 2018 release (again, based on what I have read).


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Damn, I really wish I had money at the moment. Having no job really sucks!


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Just curious but is the Kickstarter already up?

Not yet. They seem to be shooting for June 1st or 2nd though so soon!


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Vic Wertz wrote:
RyanH wrote:
Kickstarter is just for more classes and such. If the Kickstarter failed, it'd still released, likely with just core and Kingmaker material though.

Right. Pathfinder: Kingmaker has an existing schedule, an existing scope, and an existing budget, and that budget will allow the developers to achieve that scope on schedule. They've already got a full team of people working on it, and they're committed to doing it regardless of what happens with the Kickstarter.

Success in the Kickstarter will allow them to increase both the budget and the scope on the same schedule. The goals you'll see in the Kickstarter include things like more kingdom-building options, more player options, more companions, more original music, more voiceover, more quests, and so on.

TAKE MY MONEY NOW


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JoelF847 wrote:
I remembered another detail. They mentioned that part of the kingdom side of things would include diplomats from neighbors, including Brevoy and Irrisen (and some paladins, presumably Mendev/crusaders related). If you make alliances, that could unlock different buildings, as well as possibly different army options if they reach the KS goal of adding in some form of mass combat.

This is awesome! I wonder what nations you can ally with...


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Scott Betts wrote:
Artem Lebeda wrote:
Still looks good to me.
I don't disagree, but it is a little concerning that they would describe it as isometric and then only a week later show demo footage of a fully 3D game.

Doesn't isometric mean that the world is presented at an angle? Like those old Ravenloft maps where you're looking down at the map but it's not a straight on view but at like a 90 degree angle?


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What all did we learn from the demo/chat about this? I'm super stoked about this and stuff.


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Female Elf Magus (Spelldancer)
Basic stats:
8/10 HP, AC=15 T=13 FF=12 CMD=14, Init+3, Perc+2

Just glad you're well, Raven.


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Female Elf Magus (Spelldancer)
Basic stats:
8/10 HP, AC=15 T=13 FF=12 CMD=14, Init+3, Perc+2

@Simon: I know the pain, Simon, I lost my dogs over the last few years. Two within a month of each other and I had to give the other one up for various reasons.

I hope you get on your feet soon.


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Female Elf Magus (Spelldancer)
Basic stats:
8/10 HP, AC=15 T=13 FF=12 CMD=14, Init+3, Perc+2

Panting lightly and visibly shocked at the strange man in a mask, Lynleera shrugs and raises her own rapier. "If there are more goblins, we should hurry then, yes?" Turning to Selaros she giggles at apparent hero worship. "Maybe he wears the mask because it is comfortable? I suspect most everyone will be wearing one in the near future!"

With that, Lynleera dashes off after the "knight".

If new Init is needed: 1d20 + 3 ⇒ (11) + 3 = 14


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DarkestHeart wrote:
Wow... Monkeys? What monkeys?

There is a CE empire of sentient monkeys and apes in the Mwangi expanse. They also stole the largest cannon ever, too!


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@TheWaskally - Hope you and yours are well during this trying time.


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roloz wrote:
DM Alistair wrote:
Huh, how epic would it be to run the AP's in the order that they appear in roloz listing rather than by release date, allowing the adventures to affect the ones played later in varyibg degrees?
This would be hilarious if the PCs "lose" one of those games, and the BBEG has taken over and (done whatever they plan to do, none of which are pleasant for the world).

Well, a number of the AP's have contingencies in them for that as well, basically a "second and last shot" chance to winning. Barring that, it would lead to some epic world changes.


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1024 - Fire-Footed Fennecs do not have fire for feet and Pathfinders for the Ethical Treatment of Familiars and Animal Companions will have words with you if you try to make this so.

1025 - Vorpal bunnies do not exist (we hope)


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Sissyl wrote:
Good thing they have a sword of killing Hitler for that.

It's got a +5 against Hitlers!