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JiCi wrote:

Kinda sucks that there's no new Primal Dragon keyed to the Planes of Metal and Wood... Hopefully those will come soon.

The Dragonet looks fun, again hopefully with new heritages based on other regions.

Actually most of the classic primal dragons have been keyed away from the elemental planes, and the imperial Forest dragon is now keyed to the Plane of Wood. So now we only have Brine and Forest as elemental dragons, though its stated in the book that the other imperial dragons do originate from the elemental planes.

So...

Forest = Plane of Wood
Sea = Plane of Water
Sky = Plane of Metal
Sovereign = Plane of Earth
Underworld = Plane of Fire

...I guess?

Well, Draconic Codex is out to subscribers now and it clarified how to treat this trio of Imperial dragons breath weapons when using PC options in, IMNSHO, the least interesting way by treating them all as cones. Immediately houseruling that Sea & Underworld have lines not cones for PC options or maybe I'll just say f it, I'm in vehement disagreement with the way it was decided in the official rules anyway so I'll houserule it to how I think it should be, 10' burst within 20' for the basic tier like from Breath of the Dragon/the reintroduced Kobold Breath, upgrading to 20' burst within 40' with the respective upgrade feats, and I'll change the Kobold Momentum feat's prerequisite to be "have a breath weapon" so dragonblooded kobolds can take it as well, using BotD as the qualifier instead.

The major difference between Remastered Kobold Breath and Breath of the Dragon is that the former when upgraded has higher burst potential by going to a bigger die size than Breath of the Dragon can reach in exchange for having to wait an hour before using the breath weapon again and it can't recharge early with a certain feat, whereas BotD has an upgraded die at no cost but can do the larger area all the live-long day after upgrading with only the normal 1d4 round(s) recharge time. Kobold Breath's persistent damage upgrade also has a higher minimum damage with the same maximum so on average it's just a bit stronger at the cost of not creating difficult terrain and not applying to those who only normal fail their save.

Okay, so I'm trying to square up the timeline between Golarion and the Earth within the Pathfinder setting since despite current Absalom Reckoning year corresponds to the current real world year +2700, yet a certain 1E AP established that 4713 A.R. corresponded to A.D. 1918 of the Earth within Pathfinder's setting. Meaning that now, 12 years later, the Earth within the setting is at A.D. 1930. Do I have that more or less correct?

Well they at least fixed the issue with the three Imperial Dragons with burst-shaped breath weapons (even if it was in the least interesting way possible) as draconic exemplars for various draconic PC options, still disappointed they didn't fix the draconic sorcerer's advanced focus spell, so a rime draconic sorcerer for whatever reason still breathes fire. They really don't seem to like PCs having access to the more interesting breath weapon shapes like the stormcrowns single (initial) target chain lightning breath what with how many are just cones now. Bog dragons also got their breath weapon changed to a cone instead of a line with their remaster change from black dragons. Two of the 4 breath weapons that are lines are bludgeoning water, then there's the requiem's line of spirit, and as a draconic exemplar stormcrown's line of electricity.

Barrage dragons are cool, though I still think at least the 5th rank sorcerous gift spell the bloodline grants should've been Force Barrage (5th rank).

Oath sounds like our silver replacement, while vizier might be the gold replacement. Can't wait to see how things like the rune dragon's breath will get handled for existing draconic PC options.

Also repeated here.

Found it: the correct anathema was provided by Luis Loza here.

Also, also, all NPCs and monsters have an effective maximum Dying Value of 1 since they always expire when reduced to 0 HP (except with attacks bearing the nonlethal trait).

We already know which traditions each of the Imperial Dragons are tied to.

Arcane: Sea and Underworld
Divine: Sky
Occult: Sovereign
Primal: Forest

Molthune is more Prussia-coded though.

Weird, I can find the corrected text on sites like Archives of Nethys, but I can't find where the text is updated. It's not on the Pathfinder FAQ list.

Except the reason stated on the official PFS Additional Resources page is because of something in the edicts and/or anathema, which doesn't make sense if one actually looks at those. So again, what's going on?

The following deities with problematic edicts and/or anathema:

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Neshen (page 308)
...

Neshen, for whatever reason is restricted even though I can't find anything in his edicts or anathema that would make him any less fitting than Sarenrae. How come she gets to stay generally available while Neshen, who shares her redemption focus, is banished to the restricted list?

Edicts: Lead others to the light of good, strive for self-perfection, be a support for others struggling to change their ways.

Anathema: Stop taking care of yourself, wallow in self-pity, refuse to right past wrongs.

Personally, I think Dwarves would appreciate polka music.

Though the Primal (not-Tradition) dragons will need a rebranding for their band so that they don't get confused for the Primal Tradition dragons, even if there's a Venn diagram that's basically a circle.

Personally, I feel the Shoanti haven't gotten much love in 2E, so I would definitely appreciate them getting more than just a few lines of description.

You're confusing the Underworld Dragon, with the Umbral Dragon there Elric200. Underworld Dragons have always been connected to Fire (and originally even had adamantine claws back in PF1E).

The issue still existed when it was a Kobold feat called Kobold Breath in Pre-Remaster, and this seems to imply the Imperial and Primal (group, not Tradition) dragons are acknowledged options even if they fail to address all interactions.

Also, you're a little off about Dragon Form.

Dragon Breath [two-actions] You exhale deadly magical energy in an area, dealing 10d6 damage to each creature in the area with a basic save against your spell DC. The shape, damage type, and save type match that of your chosen dragon's breath. If the chosen dragon's breath can deal more than one type of damage, choose one when you cast dragon form. The shape is a 30-foot cone or a 100- foot line.

This continues to fail to account for the three Imperial Dragons with burst-shaped breath weapons. You can turn into a Bog Dragon (remastered Black Dragon), and get your line of acid just fine, but they continue to forget that these three Imperial dragons have neither a cone, nor a line as their breath weapon shape. Perhaps the writers keep confusing them with the 1E versions where they either had a cone (Sky Dragon), a line (Underworld Dragon), or both (Sea Dragon, a cone of steam that dealt fire damage, or a pressurised line of water that dealt bludgeoning).

To me it reads that the emanation itself doesn't stick around, it just tags all your allies within it and gives them the same buff for the duration of the spell just like a Bard's focus cantrips aren't continuous emanations, but instanteneous.

What size and shape of breath weapon do Sea, Sky, and Underworld Dragonbloods have if they take Breath of the Dragon? It states a size for if the breath weapon is a cone or line, but doesn't account for the burst that these three should have.

As is though, spells from these feats (Eternal Blessing/Bane) aren't your 'battle auras' and as such the feat Empowered Onslaught doesn't work for them at all.

"Any feats and effects that refer to a battle aura refers to these spells, regardless of whether they were cast with your standard spell slots or your divine font spell slots."
Spells from Eternal Blessing/Bane aren't cast from any slots at all and so aren't battle auras.

So battle auras cast from scrolls/staves/wands also wouldn't count according to that logic.

But Empowered Onslaught also states

Choose one active battle aura you have; that battle aura's status bonus or penalty increases by 1, to a maximum of 4. This value remains for the rest of the aura's duration.

Which indicates the triggering battle aura doesn't have to be the one empowered, and Bane and Bless are unquestionably always battle auras. Even if the Eternal ____ feats can't trigger it (and I have my doubts with how Bane has the effect of reforcing the save on any foe who is unaffected on its sustain and thus the reading that the Eternal version can't be sustained period seems too bad to be true)

Can the Battle Harbinger's Empowered Onslaught reaction boost the potency of the permanent* duration Bane/Bless the level 16 Cleric feats provide?

*Until counteracted or dismissed and even then they come back.

Now, shields explicitly can be an implement. As long as they aren't heavier than 1 bulk.

As the title states, I wanted to redownload an old PDF that seemed to have gotten cleared out along with junk data on my hard drive, but when I went to My Downloads, it was missing there as well. As are a few others and I'm perplexed how this could happen?

I mean, it let's you spell strike force barrage so up to an additional 10d4+10 on a successful spell strike (two action force barrage at 9th rank).

In PF1 we had a statblock for Abrogail Thrune that suggested she was a level 17 sorcerer. This was not an invitation for your level 20 PCs to pick her as a target.

Sure it was, it's just that it necessitates a little, creativity.

I remember a card game that had an inherent contradiction in the rules for ending the game. I don't remember the game and I don't think I have it any more - it was a rather strange and somewhat boring game.

Anyway, the rules for ending the game were (paraphrased because I can't remember them exactly): "If the draw pile is exhausted, shuffle the discard pile into the draw pile. There is no time limit or point limit. The player who earns the most points first wins."

At any point, the players could stop the game and determine who has the most points.

During the game the players could determine who reached a specific number of points first.

But it is inherently contradictory to have both of those as the end conditions of the game.

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Characters make saving throws because they are affected by a spell effect that allows a saving throw.

If you have not been affected by the spell, then you haven't made your first saving throw and it is incorrect to say that you make 'another' saving throw.

If you have made a saving throw against the spell, then that is because you have already been affected by the spell.

So this part of the rules for the spell:

Quote:

force enemies in the area that weren't yet affected to attempt another saving throw

is inherently contradictory. That contradiction has to be resolved one way or the other in order to actually play the game.

I choose the option that saying you make 'another' saving throw is incorrect. If the spell's area expands to include you and you have not been affected by the spell, then you make your first saving throw against it. If you have already been affected by the spell and have already made a saving throw against it and the area expands to include you, then you don't make another saving throw - you use the existing result because by RAW you only get 'another' saving throw if you 'haven't been affected yet'.

Sounds an awful lot like the first Digimon TCG.

The best thing for your character to experience is to crush their enemies, see those enemies driven before them, and to hear the lamentations of the enemies' women.

Bluemagetim wrote:

"...only vindicators of evil deities are called inquisitors."

Nice touch.

My contrarian side feels the urge to make an Inquisitor named David Hume.

But could David Hume out consume Wilhelm Freidrich Hegel?

Peachchild Leshy Ranger Beastmaster. Basically Momotaro at home. He's inspired by the legendary figure, but has completely different animal companions. Thinking maybe insect animal companions to get some Issun-boshi kind of motif. So starting with maybe a beetle for an early mount that can travel hella fast (companion's cry plus beetle's advanced maneuver let's it Stride four times), no idea what additional companions though beyond maybe a Giant Wasp for aerial support. Options seem pretty slim from what I can find.

Courageous Tanuki swordsaint wielding a liuyedao. Waffling between Obedience Champion and Aloof Firmament Magus. Master of transformation using Ancestry Paragon variant rule to get both Everyday Form and Teakettle Form lines. Probably can fit in both Ponpoko and Ponpoko-pon as well.

Just to throw my suggestion for how to handle property runes with ABP into the mix. Shortly past the ABP section there's a small variant rule called High-Quality. I use that as the limiting factor for property runes as a replacement for potency runes. I keep item bonuses, but they are treated as potency bonuses and vice versa, thus do not stack. You simply take the better of the two if you have both.

Unless they're justice champions @TheGleefulGrognard. Getting up to three reaction attacks per round (quick shield block's extra reaction being substituted with shield of reckoning to get both shield warden and champion reaction).

I have the sneaking suspicion at least some of the speculated-content from a Secrets of Magic Remastered might be appearing here.

@Samurai would the shield be ruled to take the larger half if damage can't split evenly? For example, you block a greataxe with a Hide Shield which normally has a hardness of 4 (treated as 6 against bludgeoning strikes) and the total unmodified (by blocking) damage of the attack is 15 which leaves 11 points. Does the shield take 5 (half rounded-down), or 6 (half rounded-up while you take the remaining half rounded-down to 5)? The former lets shields last a smidge longer, while the latter offers a greater sense of verisimilitude.

So do we have to wait until Divine Mysteries for deity writeups on the Wardens of the Wild?

Sorry for the thread necro, but what FAQ button? Such a thing doesn't show up for me at all.

Lightning Raven wrote:

HeHateMe wrote:

Exocist wrote:

Bluemagetim wrote:

You gave me some new ideas for threat techniques. These ideas make taunt more worth wile and create some interaction between guardian abilities but don't address the accuracy issues with the class.

Strike accuracy issues don't need to be addressed if hitting things for damage isn't the point of the class.

I would still prefer that they are addressed and the Guardian has the same weapon progression as a Champion, but it's not strictly necessary.

Guardian is a martial weapon and heavy armor wearing martial. No way should it be stuck with the same weapon proficiency advancement as an Alchemist.

Agreed. If lower accuracy is a must have for this class to compensate the beefier defenses, the it's better to switch up its main stat from STR to CON.

How does that follow? If people are upset that it has accuracy problems, making it even less accurate and giving it a dead key stat feels like the opposite of making anything better.

Because in exchange the Guardian would get normal martial proficiency levels for attacks same as Rangers, Champions, etc.

Just noticed this while reading through my recently arrived physical copy, but are the Amphisbaena Handwraps (page 106) supposed to lack fundamental runes despite being 3 levels higher than the base version of Handwraps of Mighty Blows?

Meanwhile Explosive Dogslicer is buffed in both modes with the addition of Fatal d10 to ranged mode and Agile on the melee mode. Almost makes everyone going combination weapon want to be either half-gobbo or half-human. Shame it costs double the standard for the ammunition though @ 2sp for 10 rounds of ammunition.

pg. 18 Coral Athamaru armor has a "Strength value of 16" should read "Strength value of +3"

pg. 151 Concert Frog's jaws attack deals 2d11+11 damage. Likely should be d10s.

Athamaru's mechanics sidebar (that little bit with the Ancestry HP, Ability Boosts & Flaws, etc) seems to also be missing their Hydration entry despite one of their ancestry feats implying they do in fact need a daily Hydration dip just like Merfolk or (most) Azarketi.

Speaking of Merfolk, their Shore Gift feat seems to omit mentioning how it interacts with their Hydration dependence.

Swiftpaws the Maned Wolf wrote:

Interesting; didn't think there would be lore specific to awakened animals, and arcana is interesting, surprised it wasn't survival.

What are the attributes that awakened animals get?

CON, WIS, Free

INT flaw

Or the ever popular alternative of: Free, Free.

As is I'd go with something like the following, I'll also include choices for if the Gamemastery Guide's Ancestry Paragon optional rules are used as well as Free Archetype, because why not?

Ancestry: Orc (+STR, +CON)
Heritage: Mixed Heritage (Dwarf)
Background: Laborer (+STR, +CON)
Class: Guardian (+STR)
Free Ability Boosts: +STR, +INT, +WIS, +CHA
Net Ability Boosts: ++++STR, ++CON, +INT, +WIS, +CHA (This is so we don't waste Ability Boosts since STR and CON will be increased at every chance)
Starting Trained Skills: Athletics (Background), Labor Lore (Background), Crafting (replacing Guardian's fixed Athletics), Acrobatics, Diplomacy, Intimidation, Society (main focuses while leveling are Athletics and Crafting, with Diplomacy and Intimidation being secondary concerns we want enough of each secondary to somewhat reliably hit standard DCs)

1st Level: Unburdened Iron (Ancestry Feat; VERY IMPORTANT), Orc Ferocity (Ancestry Paragon), Guardian Armor, Intercept Strike, Shield Block, Taunt, Larger Than Life (Guardian Feat; mostly for the niche benefit vs small enemies), Threat Technique (Ferocious Vengeance)
Equipment Purchased: Chain Mail (6 gp), Armored Skirt (2 gp), set of Gauntlets and Greaves (2 sp), Adventurer's Pack (15 sp)
Total Spent/Funds Remaining: 9 gp, 7 sp / 5 gp, 3 sp

Equipment was chosen to provide maximum AC and Armor Spec resistance for the cheapest cost (+5 item bonus to AC and 6 Critical Resistance at this level), weapon was super cheap, and everyone needs the basic gear. We begin saving up for a Tower Shield and eventually a Warding Escutcheon and upgrades for it, our armor, and weapons (we won't be stuck punching forever).

2nd: Shielding Taunt (Guardian Feat), Wrestler Dedication (Free Archetype; this is for the free bump to Expert Athletics and Titan Wrestler, we'll be spending our next 2 FA feats getting out of this archetype), Bon Mot (Skill Feat)

For equipment we should have been able to afford both a Tower Shield and Shield Adjustment (Disarm, Trip; this is our actual main weapon), as well as a Repair Kit.

3rd: Player's choice (Ancestry Paragon; mine would be Rock Runner), Expert Crafting (needed for a key ancestry feat in early levels), Diehard (Tough to Kill), Fast Recovery (General Feat), Tough to Kill

4th: Intercept Foe (Guardian Feat), Crushing Grab (Free Archetype), Rapid Mantel (Skill Feat)

5th: Attribute Boosts (+STR, +CON, +WIS, +CHA), Dwarven Reinforcement (Ancestry Feat; yes, it's that important for the longevity of our shield; that extra hardness early on helps a lot), Armor Expertise, Reflex Expertise, Expert Diplomacy

6th: Reactive Strike (Guardian Feat), Snagging Strike (Free Archetype), Quick Repair (Skill Feat)

7th: Toughness (General Feat; our next standard ancestry feat stacks with it for even more HP as well as supercharging the Ancestry Paragon feat at this level), Defy Death (Ancestry Paragon), Reaction Time, Master Crafting, Weapon Expertise

8th: Group Taunt (Guardian Feat), Marshal Dedication (Free Archetype), Expert Intimidation (Marshal Dedication), Magical Crafting (Skill Feat)

9th: Mountain's Stoutness (Ancestry Feat), Battle Hardened, Guardian Expertise, Master Athletics

10th: Attribute Boosts (+STR, +CON, +INT, +CHA), Tough Cookie (Guardian Feat), Dread Marshal Stance (Free Archetype; if you can enter it this makes every critical hit by your team mates against enemies you're fighting cause Frightened 1), Quick Jump (Skill Feat), choice of untrained skill becomes trained (increased INT), learn additional language (increased INT)

11th: Undying Ferocity (Ancestry Paragon), Armor Mastery, Canny Acumen Perception (General Feat), Master Intimidation, Weapon Specialization

12th: Rallying Charge (Free Archetype), Alchemist Dedication (Guardian Feat), Alchemical Crafting (Alchemist Dedication), Assurance Athletics (Skill Feat)

13th: Incredible Ferocity (Ancestry Feat; if not using Ancestry Paragon take Orc Ferocity instead), Greater Armor Specialization, Master Diplomacy

14th: Expert Alchemy (Free Archetype), Improved Intercept Foe (Guardian Feat), Group Impression (Skill Feat)

15th: Lifeblood's Call (Ancestry Paragon), Attribute Boost (+STR, +CON, +INT, +CHA), choice of untrained skill becomes trained (increased INT), learn additional Language (increased INT), Multilingual (General Feat), Legendary Armor, Legendary Crafting, Unyielding Resolve

16th: Master Alchemy (Free Archetype), Never! (Guardian Feat), Improvise Tool (Skill Feat)

17th: Rampaging Ferocity (Ancestry Feat; if not using Ancestry Paragon take Incredible Ferocity instead), Greater Weapon Specialization, Legendary Athletics, Weapon Mastery

18th: Whirling Throw (Free Archetype), Perfect Protection (Guardian Feat), Cloud Jump (Skill Feat)

19th: Stonewall (Ancestry Paragon), (General Feat), Guardian Mastery, Legendary Intimidation

20th: Acrobat Dedication (Free Archetype), Attribute Boosts (+STR, +CON, +INT, +WIS), choice of untrained skill becomes trained (increased INT), learn additional Language (increased INT), Boundless Reprisals (Guardian Feat), Cat Fall (Skill Feat)

You could frame it as an Honorable Challenge right?

One might even call it a Compelled Duel.

Pathfinder's "obsessed with fear" Bugbears are pretty distinct from D&D's "big and dumb" Bugbears. Ditto for Hobgoblins; 2e has moved Pathfinder's hobs away from being faux-samurai, and they're products of strange alchemy rather than 5e's goblinoids being fey.

Fey goblins is itself a bloody retcon that doesn't fit in with any of the pre-established lore from even the beginning of 5E let alone older editions.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make. Dragon Stance is a suboptimal option and even then is still better than most martial weapons, so literally allowing a monk to flurry with a martial weapon is, much like Dragon Stance, suboptimal, so why don't allow a Gorumite monk to flurry with a greatsword when they otherwise can already do it with Dragon Stance that literally requires you to sacrifice both hands and thus makes using any kind of item troublesome in exchange for 1~4 points of damage?

At this point, I think it's safe to say you tried reason, but it's just not getting through. Maybe it's time to accept that discretion is the better part of valour?

Even simpler answer, Lamashtu is an evil goddess by pretty much all objective metrics, why is it so shocking her edicts would be hypocritical?

I fail to see the relevance of Dragon Form's addition to the Divine spell list. It's not like deities haven't provided spells already on the list before.

And I've gone over the LO:F feats several times after reading this response and I can't seem to see anything that's game breaking. Heck, most of the stuff is too restricted and should be available to all characters, not just rank 2 or higher members of the Firebrands.

My universal rule is to ignore all Firebrands content.

Any particular reasoning as to why though?