Yeap, that happens too. I'm not sure if large segments of the pop have lost their sense of public space and function, or maybe they just never had any?
One of the hangups here is how D&D has aged. Early days it was to try and simulate lord of the rings and Conan. Ordinary adventurers taking on extraordinary things and somehow winning. You beat your challenges by using your strengths and smarts, not because you are just as capable as your foes.
Fast forward a few decades and folks want more octane in their fantasy. They dont just want to fight awesome monsters and wizards, they want to be awesome monsters and wizards. A paradigm shift in the genre and hobby community. This is all generality of course, the nuances are not important; to me anyways.
Slowly the ability score has become a more mechanical tool and less a descriptive one. Iconic elements like ability score generation, improvement, and drain have become really complex in the 3E era. PF2 is an attempt to simplify the mechanic while giving a nod to nostalgia.
Another hang up is rulings over rules. In early days it was expected that the GM would arbitrate situations. There was not piles of rules books to try provide mechanical representation on everything. Some folks got tired of bad GMs and wanted a system to protect them from bad rulings. So enters the rules heavy editions. Along with them came all sorts of odd situations where folks wanted to be able to trip snakes and kill fire elementals with fire. Also, many folks want to be able to be a ninja in full plate.
Fast forward a bit and now design seems to be one foot in each ruling philosophy camp. It gets really confusing because the bridge in philosophies can be real immersion killing for some. Too connected to reality for others.
For that old school feel I'd point int he direction of OSR. There are lots of folks that want to keep that feel of yesterday rockin. I wouldnt wait and hope for modern design to go backwords but YMMV.
I know right? They got optional rolling in the rulebook! You gotta love the respect.
Marc Radle wrote:
Though oddly nothing will ever change that 18 in strength except level bumps. No traps, poisons, or spells will change that number. Those things will change the modifier check though.
Ability score is only in the game so grogs like us can feel more at ease. Thats some respect I tell ya!
I hear ya but it doesn't look like there is any 5E warlocks in PF2 development and I hope it stays that way. Unlimited scaling cantrips, spell point pools, and skill feats just make short rest unnecessary in pf2.
Yeap, oldschool has come a long way from chainmail days that were all about characters and story....oh wait.
Yeap, and when we didnt like what we got, the character ran face first into every buzzsaw. Good times indeed. Choosing? No respect I tell ya.
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
What is the difference in Drow with 5E? In 3E it was usually an indication the player wanted to be especially unique plus super powerful and basically ruin everyones fun.
He was also the kind of GM who described the environment saying "you walk around a plain. Ask me all you want". So we have to ask him if there were trees, houses, ruins, etc. If we didn't ask him if there was a house in front of us, all we knew was that we had hit an invisible wall. And we had to ask him specifically if there was a house in front of us. Asking him if there was something there was "too lazy".
I love these guys.....I read about a group that spent like 4 sessions trying to get through a maze. When the party finally made it the GM triumphantly announces, "the walls were only 3ft high and you could have simply stepped over them if you had asked about their height...." :)
you can buy mine ive been let go...
I've noticed this too. My perception has been that America is in an race to be as less formal as possible. My company had moved into Canada and when our partners came to HQ to meet us, they thought we were a bunch of stiff ass bankers. "It's not going to be fun working here!" Simply because we had a formal dress code. The reason was to stop slobs from wearing packer's jerseys and leggings as pants to work. (That just adds more fuel to my perception.)
This isn't just the yougins or about clothing either. I had a director for several years who would often use "are" to mean "our" in email communication (she is close to 50). I just left a meeting discussing writing annual reviews which included directors and their direct reports. The HR rep put the directors on the spot, "do you want written paragraphs and stories, or just a list of bullet points?" There was an overwhelming cry of "bullets!!!" they didn't even say points.... People hate work so much they don't even want to complete sentences or spell out words!
I understand that being too ridged can lead to being too inflexible. Though the trend seems to be towards such loose standards that its hard to find anything of passable quality anymore. /shrug
2016 has been pure bol locks on many levels. Though this one is about pathfinder so here goes;
-As GM, longtime group on definite hiatus due to real life stuff. Mummy Mask AP stopped at mid-point.
-As player, second longtime group GM got burned out on Jade Regent AP midway and we stopped indefinitely to play DCC. (Fun for a few nights, but is getting extremely long in the tooth at this point)
Sorry to be a downer but 2016 has been rubbish.
-Going to ask second group if they want me to run Iron Gods because I cant take anymore DCC.
Cant get more frontier than the Spinward Marches. Though I know 2300AD has its fans.
That said, I still would never play a martial character, being stuck in suckland while the casters laugh and solve every problem/destroy every enemy just doesn't seem like fun to me personally....
Listen to you kids and your unearned magic. In my day, nobody laughed at the fighting man. Sure magic users had incredible power, but we didnt worry about it because they were always murdered by a mundane fighting men before getting any of it. The fighting man gets no respect I tell ya!
Super Yesterday Man, Captain wrote:
Superman falls under "too supers"