The Godsrain Prophecies Part Four

Wednesday, February 28, 2024

It may seem odd that I have not made any notes within the margins of the prophecies themselves. It is certainly not for lack of opinions, but out of an abundance of caution; some of the most heated debates that I have ever witnessed during my studies dealt with the supposed impartiality of the researcher, with some believing that we should be as unbiased as my fellow psychopomps in their judgments of souls in the Boneyard and others noting that our beliefs influence everything we do, and should be acknowledged and even used within the way we work. The arguments grew heated more than once, and while it cannot be said for sure that they led to what some call “The Dueling Quills Incident,” they certainly caused plenty of frayed nerves.

This particular debate has taken on new meaning for me now, though, in reading of one supposed divine death after another. Maybe it is something I will grow out of one day, but it is hard not to be affected by these, whether I am mourning the potential loss of the Lady I serve or learning of the potential demise of a god I do not care for. I’m not sure I would ever want to view them and feel nothing but analysis. Passion drove me to this work and passion should be part of it—for all I know, that may even have been what brought me to my Lady’s attention. Still, I will present the prophecy with no further comment, and fear that once I have read it fully, even my small bit of glee will dissipate. As always, momentary gains bring unexpected consequences.

—Yivali, Apprentice Researcher for the Lady of Graves




The Death of Urgathoa

The feast is a sumptuous spread of delights if that’s the sort of thing you like. Piles of sweets and meats and cheeses, decadence on decadence, to celebrate a distant plague gone better than expected. Urgathoa is smiling as the undead shovel down the food, the flavors barely noticed in their urge to sate their hunger. It would all make Arazni sick, if that was still a thing she felt, and if she wasn’t steeled by something greater than revulsion. For all the gods Urgathoa hates, and all who hate her in return, she hasn’t even bothered to secure her own protection, relying on the undead to sniff out any intruder. Except they know Arazni’s scent. A tiny boon from all her years forced into undead servitude, now sharpened to a weapon to take down the god who dared to bring undeath to the unwilling.

Arazni moves in shadow, and if the diners notice, they barely pause their latest gulp to see her blade unsheathe. Urgathoa dies easily, falls lengthwise on the table, face-first into a centerpiece of something rich and juicy. As panic and dismay begin to spread throughout the Bloodrot, Arazni leaves the way she came, a vengeful shadow baring teeth in something like a smile. Divinity is still a thing she’s learning to inhabit, but this almost makes everything she’s suffered seem worthwhile.

Arazni waits, for…something—some rest for those trapped in undeath, some halt to necromantic work, some alteration in what had been a truly loathsome status quo. And there are places in the world where she can see the fruits of her handiwork—the Whispering Way is driven back, Geb’s Blood Lords struggle for control—until the undead start to rise from any perished soul. Not all, but some, begin to turn without a necromancer’s aid, and stagger from their resting places trying to fill their hunger. Without Urgathoa to lend some order to the chaos, some dead stay locked inside their graves, while others now reanimate with no real rhyme or reason, rising from their tombs and slowly crawling off battlefields, horrified and terrified and sometimes all too eager to see what unholy agenda their new bodies can pursue.

In places where undead have always been a threat to life and limb, the champions against them try their best to hold the line, not looking at the faces that are suddenly familiar, comrades-at-arms turned into bodies cut down by their blades. Some look to magic to protect the bodies of the newly-dead, but magic has its limits, and others fall to the horror they once tried to quell. At least they know how to respond, unlike those who are wrapped in grief, only to see a loved one rise as some new transformation. Do you love or do you fear? Do you watch or do you help? Do you wait or do you run and run and keep on running?

Some families go missing now. Some villages are overrun. Some cities bar their crypts and add guard shifts to every other street. Some call undeath a blessing, see the change as nectar from the gods. Some view it as a threat to something they once lived and died for. Others search for patterns, narrow in on who or what is to blame, let something they don’t understand consume their baser instincts, and rain fire down on those they think have brought this new world forth.

Arazni owns what she has done, seeks out the help of other gods, but they know just as little and have found themselves just as besieged, as undeath spreads like the diseases Urgathoa once held dear, refusing to contain itself to one singular plane. And as the numbers slowly rise, a flood that grows by sodden inches, one undead soul at a time from Axis to the Boneyard, some say the Pallid Princess watches from some place beyond undeath, relishing the moment like a feast to truly savor.

An array of 20 portraits depicting the gods of the Pathfinder setting. Asmodeus, Cayden Cailean, Pharasma, and Urgathoa’s portraits have been marked “safe.””

The severity of this prophecy ensures that even I, a loyal servant of the Lady of Graves, take no joy in the foretold destruction of the Pallid Princess. May that these prophecies prove untrue!





That was, to say the least, unexpected. While the horrors of undead potentially coming from every grave are one thing (and something that I know my Lady will not enjoy, no matter how untrue this prophecy may turn out to be), Arazni’s direct role in this cataclysm is not something I am quite sure how to parse. She has broken free from her centuries of servitude as Geb’s unwilling lich queen, and in so doing attained true divinity, a risen herald. With her newfound power, is she capable of slaying a fellow god? Is this merely one facet of the unreliability of these prophecies? Perhaps I should begin watching Arazni more closely, as some sort of harbinger, a sign that this alone among the prophecies is true? Does she have knowledge of this prophecy, and if not, is this something to warn her of? I will be dusting off my copy of What the Future Holds: The Ethics of Prophecy immediately. In the meantime, my Lady will know what to do with this. All I must do now is move forward.


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Erin Roberts has been thrilled to be able to contribute a few small threads to the fabric of Golarion in the pages of books like Lost Omens Firebrands, Lost Omens Highhelm, and Lost Omens Travel Guide. In addition to her work for Paizo, she freelances across the TTRPG world (and was selected as a Diana Jones Award Emerging Designer Program Winner in 2023), has had fiction published in magazines including Asimov’s, Clarkesworld, and The Dark, and talks about writing every week on the Writing Excuses podcast. Catch up with her latest at linktr.ee/erinroberts.

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The Raven Black wrote:

This made me wonder why only one Core 20 will die. A war of the gods should easily kill several Core 20 deities.

Is there a clue about the killed deity's identity there ?

BTW do we know if Tian-xia's Core 20 are safe too ? Is this divine conflict happening only between Inner Sea deities ?

I don't know if I read it as that significant. After all, it's being called the War of Immortals, and I feel this little bit of pedantry is warranted. I don't think its only going to be the gods themselves engaged in war--or at least, I assume the gods' followers and armies of celestials and fiends are involved, too. Killing a god feels like it's a lot like killing a ruler. Sure it's possible to take out an enemy ruler on the battlefield, but usually just being able to do that takes winning a decisive victory.

Even if the Core 20 aren't especially powerful as a whole (and at least 5 of them are probably some of the oldest gods in the setting), their prominence means they also have the kind of influence to have large bodies of followers. Point being, I don't think it's easy for a god to be killed, even for another god, much less if that god is among the core 20. Even if every core 20 deity gets personally involved in the war, I don't think we must necessarily expect a high body count unless any one of them is personally overwhelmed, and with the balance of power it's dangerous to put all your effort into defeating one other deity when your own enemies might be waiting for such an opportunity.


Nonsense crack theory time.

Neither Abadar nor Zon-Kuthon is going to be marked safe because they've been passed in the alphabet already.

Hear me out:
Abadar
Asmodeus
Calistria
Cayden Cailean
Desna
Erastil
Gorum
Gozreh
Iomedae
Irori
Lamashtu
Nethys
Norgorber
Pharasma
Rovagug
Sarenrae
Shelyn
Torag
Urgathoa
Zon-Kuthon

(I suppose I should have said Calistria, too, but didn't see her there until I had the list in front of me)

If we ignore Pharasma's status as a special first, we have two early alphabet names confirmed, alternating with one late alphabet name. If we continue this pattern we should see another late alphabet name, working up from U, so possibly Torag, Shelyn, or Sarenrae, depending which deities have been pre-selected for these blogs. This is my foolproof hypothesis about the order of these blogs with a mathematically calculated 0% margin of error.


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Bear in mind, everybody who was around at the time ganged up on Rovagug and had to settle for locking him up.

Meanwhile, Curchanus died, not because Lamashtu hit him really hard, but because she ripped away part of his divine "portfolio."

Acavna died in an act of conscious self-sacrifice, and may well be that her willingness to make that trade was what did her in, rather than simply the moon getting smacked about.

Aroden's death is a deliberate mystery.

Ihys died a symbolism-laden death at his brother's hands, via treachery.

Fumeiyoshi likewise murdered Tsukiyo (who got better) in an act of treacherous fratricide.

Desna ganking the comparatively weak Aolar still nearly started a war that Calistria took steps to short-circuit instead of fight.

Safe to say, the rules are a bit weird when it comes to deities throwing down- or perishing at the hands of mortals, the way a whole passel of the weaker ones and, arguably, Acavna have.


Reza la Canaille wrote:

I was away for a few months but decided to jump back here for a bit when I heard someone say "Death of Urgathoa" because I wanted to be smug about how "I called it", but turns out not only is she safe but Pharasma is as well? Darn.

Well, next bet is on Rovagug, third time's the charm.

Thank you for this. I need Rovagug to be marked safe for my bingo card!

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Sibelius Eos Owm wrote:

Nonsense crack theory time.

Neither Abadar nor Zon-Kuthon is going to be marked safe because they've been passed in the alphabet already.

Hear me out:
Abadar
Asmodeus
Calistria
Cayden Cailean
Desna
Erastil
Gorum
Gozreh
Iomedae
Irori
Lamashtu
Nethys
Norgorber
Pharasma
Rovagug
Sarenrae
Shelyn
Torag
Urgathoa
Zon-Kuthon

(I suppose I should have said Calistria, too, but didn't see her there until I had the list in front of me)

If we ignore Pharasma's status as a special first, we have two early alphabet names confirmed, alternating with one late alphabet name. If we continue this pattern we should see another late alphabet name, working up from U, so possibly Torag, Shelyn, or Sarenrae, depending which deities have been pre-selected for these blogs. This is my foolproof hypothesis about the order of these blogs with a mathematically calculated 0% margin of error.

My own theory is that Paizo decides on who the next deity will be based on the comments following the previous deity's blog post.

So, having read yours, they will carefully avoid end of list deities and go for a G, I or L deity just to mess with us.


Ember1 wrote:
Saedar wrote:
Or: Undeath was always a possibility and points to a fundamental "flaw" in the cycle of souls. Urgathoa was simply the first to stumble into it that we know of. She didn't create undeath; she discovered it and chained it for her own pleasure.
Building on this makes me think this interpretation could have something to do with Eternity's Doorstep. A cycle repeating slowly dying to a fundamental flaw since the true creators have already left and forgotten The Universe.

Sounds kinda like Dark Souls

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Saedar wrote:
Or: Undeath was always a possibility and points to a fundamental "flaw" in the cycle of souls. Urgathoa was simply the first to stumble into it that we know of. She didn't create undeath; she discovered it and chained it for her own pleasure.

Undead tend to be evil. The cycle of souls is there to recycle planar stuff between the various aligned planes.

When evil undead are destroyed, their souls likely go to the evil planes.

Maybe Urgathoa coming to Abbadon is not mere chance. Maybe the daemons helped her become the first undead and twist the energy of the void so that evil and undeath would be heavily linked and the balance of souls gets twisted towards evil.

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The Raven Black wrote:
My own theory is that Paizo decides on who the next deity will be based on the comments following the previous deity's blog post.

While that would have been fun (for me especially), the art department made all the versions of the Days of Future Past poster at once, so we had to tell them who should be marked "safe" in each subsequent version. In general, we operate too far ahead of time to actually pull something like that off without putting a lot of extra work on just about everyone in the process to drop what they're doing and pick up the thread for the next installment.


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The Raven Black wrote:
keftiu wrote:
shepsquared wrote:
PossibleCabbage wrote:
keftiu wrote:
"Changing" is all we know about it so far;

Yeah, I would assume that in addition to one of the core 20 gods dying there's also going to be lots of other divine trauma, like multiple minor gods will die and some of the other ones will undergo things they would prefer not to have.

Like just because Cayden isn't going to die, it doesn't mean that he can't lose an eye or hand!

And new minor gods rising - I'm hoping for a goblin hero-god that's actually a goblin and not a barghest, an orc demigod that wouldn't have been considered CE, a godling adventurer, that sort of thing.
Keep an eye on Mahja Firehair.

If Sarenrae dies, Mahja would be right there to keep fighting the good fight.

Having an Orc stepping up to replace the goddess of sun and redemption would fit with Orcs becoming far more accepted around the Inner Sea and with the sun deity not being Core 20 anymore.

While I would be bummed because this would break up the Prismatic Ray, this outcome would be rad as (non-Asmodean) hell.


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My thought: perhaps killing Urgathoa ends up being like popping a water balloon. It could just be that she releases a lot of undead energy, or perhaps it's her divine essence trying to make a comeback.

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keftiu wrote:
Squiggit wrote:
Bigger shame is the news that they're going to be breaking the Prismatic Ray. I always thought it was one of the more interesting Pantheons Paizo had.
"Changing" is all we know about it so far; that could mean "Shelyn is emo now," it could mean Arazni or a different deity is invited to slot number four... until they say otherwise, I wouldn't assume the Prismatic Ray is done for.

Changing could also be changing the pantheon's name to not reference a D&D 3e spell anymore. xD (That wasn't EVEN reprinted in Pathfinder, not even in PF1)


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Mark Moreland wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
My own theory is that Paizo decides on who the next deity will be based on the comments following the previous deity's blog post.
While that would have been fun (for me especially), the art department made all the versions of the Days of Future Past poster at once, so we had to tell them who should be marked "safe" in each subsequent version. In general, we operate too far ahead of time to actually pull something like that off without putting a lot of extra work on just about everyone in the process to drop what they're doing and pick up the thread for the next installment.

Makes sense. Get this fully outlined and streamlined through the teams in advance.

Doing something in response once a week, that's crazy talk!


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Calliope5431 wrote:

...

Anyway, I'm quite happy Urgathoa is not getting whacked, because she's probably one the more unique pathfinder deities (everyone has a Poseidon knockoff nature god and a good sun god after all).

I've always viewed her as just a slightly modified version of the Norse goddess Hel.


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{. . .}

Arazni owns what she has done, seeks out the help of other gods, but they know just as little and have found themselves just as besieged, as undeath spreads like the diseases Urgathoa once held dear, refusing to contain itself to one singular plane. And as the numbers slowly rise, a flood that grows by sodden inches, one undead soul at a time from Axis to the Boneyard, some say the Pallid Princess watches from some place beyond undeath, relishing the moment like a feast to truly savor.
{. . .}

Well, that would have fit with my idea of Urgathoa coming back in or shortly before Starfinder time, having to make ends meet working in a pizza parlor while slowly working her way up to divinity . . . .


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I was thinking. If Arazni is becoming a core 20 this will mean a change of some kind for the setting. She is currently a pretty grey diety keeping to herself so anything can happen.

If her rise to prominance is the end of the age of lost omens the she may become a god of prophesy. (neutral ending)

If she is a new great nihilist deity then she can be the beginning of new APs of PCs foiling her plot for revenge on everything living and dead? (evil ending)

Or as some have suggested Iomede dies and she could end up restoring the sense of herself she had when she was herald of Aroden. Many leads into this not all of which would be as interesting; could kill Iomedae and upon her death inheritor reminds her of her old oaths transferring her essence and responsibilities to Arazni, could avenge Iomedae where inheritor sacrifices herself for a some good thing and transfers her essence to Arazni(good ending)

or none of these at all.


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I don't think that Arazni really needs to change to be part of the core 20. She's the goddess of Survivors, and what is going to draw more people to her flock than "a terrible world-scarring catastrophe that is tremendously stressful and dangerous."

Like everybody who goes through some stuff but is still here is a potential follower of Arazni.


UnArcaneElection wrote:
Original blog post wrote:

{. . .}

Arazni owns what she has done, seeks out the help of other gods, but they know just as little and have found themselves just as besieged, as undeath spreads like the diseases Urgathoa once held dear, refusing to contain itself to one singular plane. And as the numbers slowly rise, a flood that grows by sodden inches, one undead soul at a time from Axis to the Boneyard, some say the Pallid Princess watches from some place beyond undeath, relishing the moment like a feast to truly savor.
{. . .}

Well, that would have fit with my idea of Urgathoa coming back in or shortly before Starfinder time, having to make ends meet working in a pizza parlor while slowly working her way up to divinity . . . .

I did think of you/your post when I read this!

I wanna see fanfiction of riffing off your idea.


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PossibleCabbage wrote:

I don't think that Arazni really needs to change to be part of the core 20. She's the goddess of Survivors, and what is going to draw more people to her flock than "a terrible world-scarring catastrophe that is tremendously stressful and dangerous."

Like everybody who goes through some stuff but is still here is a potential follower of Arazni.

Oh right, her current portfolio could just become extremely relevant.

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I KNOW the answer, and y'all's ability to comb through evidence and give plausible arguments is VERY fun to watch.


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Jonathan Morgantini wrote:
I KNOW the answer, and y'all's ability to comb through evidence and give plausible arguments is VERY fun to watch.

Is bribery illegal on these forums? Asking for a friend....

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Rory Collins wrote:
Jonathan Morgantini wrote:
I KNOW the answer, and y'all's ability to comb through evidence and give plausible arguments is VERY fun to watch.
Is bribery illegal on these forums? Asking for a friend....

Yes but this is still very fun. I wonder who we might be talking about on Wednesday...


This week we're getting one of this set according to a Twitter Hint:

Abadar, Erastil, Irori, Lamashtu, Norgorber, Rovagug, Zon-Kuthon.


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Rory Collins wrote:
Is bribery illegal on these forums? Asking for a friend....

ON the forums? Of course!

Off the forums? Hmmmmm


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Jonathan Morgantini wrote:
I KNOW the answer, and y'all's ability to comb through evidence and give plausible arguments is VERY fun to watch.

Lol this is still code for we are all wrong. Plausible, but wrong.

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Bluemagetim wrote:
Jonathan Morgantini wrote:
I KNOW the answer, and y'all's ability to comb through evidence and give plausible arguments is VERY fun to watch.
Lol this is still code for we are all wrong. Plausible, but wrong.

I said nothing of the sort! I'm really enjoying seeing everyone's thought processes.


VerBeeker wrote:

This week we're getting one of this set according to a Twitter Hint:

Abadar, Erastil, Irori, Lamashtu, Norgorber, Rovagug, Zon-Kuthon.

I'm really curious as to what would be written for Irori, since that's the one people have gone like "lol would anyone even notice", and also he's not like a "personification" of anything so there's nothing immediately obvious about what could go wrong. (Norgorber, even though he's likewise an ascended mortal, well we KNOW how stuff can cascade when a high-up figure in a criminal organization dies, and he's basically a high-up figure in MOST criminal organizations, so I'd expect lots of chaos even solely on a mortal level.)

Abadar and Erastil, they're some of the more "boring" and overlooked gods; but it's like how if you mess with logistics, it has a domino effect to everything down the line, including stuff you hadn't even realized was connected. So there's some obvious chaos there, but I'm curious as to what they'd go with if they don't write "economic collapse and mass starvation" (the two tend to go hand in hand).

Lamashtu and Rovagug, there's so many different ways they could take it, that I'm actually less eager to read what it might be; I mean I'd look forward to it, there's just not that drive of "ooh what could it be" speculation.
Zon-Kuthon is kind of like that, but to a lesser degree; there's three very obvious directions "what if he died" could go -- Nidal, the whatsit that corrupted him, Shelyn -- and I'd be interested in any of them; but I can't really conceive of "option I hadn't even considered" so it's likewise not something I'm anticipating.

...huh. Apparently, the stuff I'd most look forward to, is stuff where I have no IDEA where someone might go with it, but I trust the writer to come up with something good nevertheless. That actually makes sense, what with how much I love encountering "new concepts".


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Jonathan Morgantini wrote:
Rory Collins wrote:
Jonathan Morgantini wrote:
I KNOW the answer, and y'all's ability to comb through evidence and give plausible arguments is VERY fun to watch.
Is bribery illegal on these forums? Asking for a friend....
Yes but this is still very fun. I wonder who we might be talking about on Wednesday...

Is it me?

I hope it's me.

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An Abadar Prophesy would go SOO hard in communicating just how fundamental he is to literally every government and business on the planet (not to mention whatever extraterrestrial life which knows of and has a cultural place for him).

His death would unfurl consequences powers of magnitude greater than every real-life economic collapse in known history.


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Themetricsystem wrote:

An Abadar Prophesy would go SOO hard in communicating just how fundamental he is to literally every government and business on the planet (not to mention whatever extraterrestrial life which knows of and has a cultural place for him).

His death would unfurl consequences powers of magnitude greater than every real-life economic collapse in known history.

Of all the gods I remember, Asmodeus is best positioned to take his portfolio. It makes sense. Things really go to Hell when the economy collapses.

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Abadar's could also go all in on his vault... he has a vault that has a copy of EVERYTHING... The potential chaos that could happen if the content was looted... Or... What if him dying would affect (destroy or corrupt) the content of the vault... and what if that would in turn affect the things they are copies of.


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Evan Tarlton wrote:
Themetricsystem wrote:

An Abadar Prophesy would go SOO hard in communicating just how fundamental he is to literally every government and business on the planet (not to mention whatever extraterrestrial life which knows of and has a cultural place for him).

His death would unfurl consequences powers of magnitude greater than every real-life economic collapse in known history.

Of all the gods I remember, Asmodeus is best positioned to take his portfolio. It makes sense. Things really go to Hell when the economy collapses.

On one hand, the cosmic slant towards tyranny sounds awful... but Big A might realize a slanted system is bound to collapse eventually, and be forced to self-correct.

Asmodeus burdened with making sure the whole machine of civilization still functions is very fun.

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keftiu wrote:
Evan Tarlton wrote:
Themetricsystem wrote:

An Abadar Prophesy would go SOO hard in communicating just how fundamental he is to literally every government and business on the planet (not to mention whatever extraterrestrial life which knows of and has a cultural place for him).

His death would unfurl consequences powers of magnitude greater than every real-life economic collapse in known history.

Of all the gods I remember, Asmodeus is best positioned to take his portfolio. It makes sense. Things really go to Hell when the economy collapses.

On one hand, the cosmic slant towards tyranny sounds awful... but Big A might realize a slanted system is bound to collapse eventually, and be forced to self-correct.

Asmodeus burdened with making sure the whole machine of civilization still functions is very fun.

Indeed. Though I feel several deities would intervene to fill the gap, ending up with a multipolar situation with varying takes on Abadar's current portfolio depending on which of those deities is worshipped there.


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I'd love to see Asmodeus and Erastil bickering over how to best influence the trade agreements of mortals.

Erastil: "Think of the community!"
Asmodeus: "Think of the king's ambitions!"
Mammon: "Think of the GOLD!"
Erastil & Asmodeus: "Shut up, Mammon!"


I wonder if tomorrow's 'safe pick' will be on the top row of Erastil, Iomadae, Torag, or Sarenrae just to keep the artwork from getting all lopsided ;)

I've also been thinking that if either Shelyn or Sarenrae is the one to die, then Nocticula has a chance of gaining a lot of their left over worshipers. If Sarenrae dies, then "The Redeemer Queen" might make Redemption even more an area of concern and former Sarenrae worshipers focused on that might give her a try.

If Shelyn dies, then, Nocticula can truly pull a "ALL YOUR ART ARE BELONG TO NOCTICULA" stance.

From a personal perspective, as Shelyn is probably my favorite deity in the setting with Sarenrae not far behind her; I would be bummed. BUT...
it would be interesting to see if Nocticula stepped up in either case.


Ed Reppert wrote:
The time will come. One of the "safe" deities will die. "But Paizo! You said they were safe!" "We lied." :-)

They're actually killing two Core Deities. Did they ever say that they were going to stop at one?


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Sanityfaerie wrote:
Ed Reppert wrote:
The time will come. One of the "safe" deities will die. "But Paizo! You said they were safe!" "We lied." :-)

They're actually killing two Core Deities. Did they ever say that they were going to stop at one?

They have said one core deity. But an unknown number outside of the core.


Can anyone give me a list of the dead deities?

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Aroden


There's also the demon lord Vyriavaxus, and how ever many other demon lords Nocticula had bumped off.

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To add to the other posts, the Starstone specifically killed Acavna, the Azlanti goddess of the moon, when she tried stopping it with the moon. Seeing this, Amaznen, the Azlanti god of magic, sacrificed his own life to slow it down enough to not destroy Golarion. So effectively, that stone has two divine kills.

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Elfteiroh wrote:
To add to the other posts, the Starstone specifically killed Acavna, the Azlanti goddess of the moon, when she tried stopping it with the moon. Seeing this, Amaznen, the Azlanti god of magic, sacrificed his own life to slow it down enough to not destroy Golarion. So effectively, that stone has two divine kills.

I will only count Amaznen as dead when I see the body.


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UnArcaneElection wrote:
Original blog post wrote:

{. . .}

Arazni owns what she has done, seeks out the help of other gods, but they know just as little and have found themselves just as besieged, as undeath spreads like the diseases Urgathoa once held dear, refusing to contain itself to one singular plane. And as the numbers slowly rise, a flood that grows by sodden inches, one undead soul at a time from Axis to the Boneyard, some say the Pallid Princess watches from some place beyond undeath, relishing the moment like a feast to truly savor.
{. . .}

Well, that would have fit with my idea of Urgathoa coming back in or shortly before Starfinder time, having to make ends meet working in a pizza parlor while slowly working her way up to divinity . . . .

I did think of you/your post when I read this!

I wanna see fanfiction of riffing off your idea.

Sounds like the anime The Devil is part Timer


Phillip Gastone wrote:
PaperNinja wrote:
UnArcaneElection wrote:
Original blog post wrote:

{. . .}

Arazni owns what she has done, seeks out the help of other gods, but they know just as little and have found themselves just as besieged, as undeath spreads like the diseases Urgathoa once held dear, refusing to contain itself to one singular plane. And as the numbers slowly rise, a flood that grows by sodden inches, one undead soul at a time from Axis to the Boneyard, some say the Pallid Princess watches from some place beyond undeath, relishing the moment like a feast to truly savor.
{. . .}

Well, that would have fit with my idea of Urgathoa coming back in or shortly before Starfinder time, having to make ends meet working in a pizza parlor while slowly working her way up to divinity . . . .

I did think of you/your post when I read this!

I wanna see fanfiction of riffing off your idea.

Sounds like the anime The Devil is part Timer

Aw thanks! I'll add that to the too find pile.


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The Thing From Another World wrote:
Can anyone give me a list of the dead deities?

Add Curchanus. Killed by Lamashtu.


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The Thing From Another World wrote:
Can anyone give me a list of the dead deities?

The Wiki's not flawless*, but here's a nice starting point

*Note that Arazni is listed as dead, for example.


The Raven Black wrote:
Elfteiroh wrote:
To add to the other posts, the Starstone specifically killed Acavna, the Azlanti goddess of the moon, when she tried stopping it with the moon. Seeing this, Amaznen, the Azlanti god of magic, sacrificed his own life to slow it down enough to not destroy Golarion. So effectively, that stone has two divine kills.
I will only count Amaznen as dead when I see the body.

It was my understanding that the Mordant Spire is her corpse, given that she whispers to the elves through it.

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keftiu wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Elfteiroh wrote:
To add to the other posts, the Starstone specifically killed Acavna, the Azlanti goddess of the moon, when she tried stopping it with the moon. Seeing this, Amaznen, the Azlanti god of magic, sacrificed his own life to slow it down enough to not destroy Golarion. So effectively, that stone has two divine kills.
I will only count Amaznen as dead when I see the body.
It was my understanding that the Mordant Spire is her corpse, given that she whispers to the elves through it.

The Raven Black was talking about the god Amaznen, not the goddess Acavna. :P

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Elfteiroh wrote:
keftiu wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Elfteiroh wrote:
To add to the other posts, the Starstone specifically killed Acavna, the Azlanti goddess of the moon, when she tried stopping it with the moon. Seeing this, Amaznen, the Azlanti god of magic, sacrificed his own life to slow it down enough to not destroy Golarion. So effectively, that stone has two divine kills.
I will only count Amaznen as dead when I see the body.
It was my understanding that the Mordant Spire is her corpse, given that she whispers to the elves through it.
The Raven Black was talking about the god Amaznen, not the goddess Acavna. :P

Indeed. For quite some time, I have had a pet theory that Starfinder's Eloritu is actually Amaznen.

And more recently, after learning that the Harrow only became magical after Earthfall IIRC, that that is where Amaznen's spirit took refuge.

And now, seeing how the Harrow is linked with prophecy, I wonder if it is not somehow behind the Godsrain Prophecies. After all, it would make sense for what might be left of Amaznen to be obsessed with how deities will die.

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Which also makes me think that maybe the Safe deities have some special significance to whoever wrote or inspired the Godsrain Prophecies.

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