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Also, putting Pathfinder content on DTRPG does nothing for Paizo. The way Infinite works is that DTRPG gets 30% and Paizo gets 20%. If third party content is on DTRPG, DTRPG gets 35% and Paizo gets nothing. Indeed, plenty of 1e content IS on DTRPG and Paizo gets well… nothing. Same with 2e.

The reason to use Infinite is to make use of the setting and the unique intellectual property that goes with it, if something is purely mechanical it really shouldn’t be on Infinite. Opening up the setting to be on DTRPG as well would be a ludicrous business decision that would straight up give away Paizo’s IP.

I'm still waiting for the stellifera to be updated to SF2. Tiny psychic cuttlefish who use telekinesis to, in effect, make encounter suits out of water.

While I highly approve of all the Leshy talk, I must emphasize that this is the #1 species I want to see make the jump to Starfinder 2e.

The what now?!?

**Reads the link**

Oh hells yes, I entirely missed that and its right up my alley! Hopefully will help with the tautology of "a spirit is a creature defined by its spiritual essence" in Monster Core and how all of that links in to the River of Souls.

Much love and sympathy to everyone at Paizo, this is an impossibly hard situation to deal with. Many curses upon Diamond. I hope everyone is able to bounce back and that as many of those recall rights can be used as possible during the next year and half.

I hope not. DHL's tracking and easy of rearranging delivery was a big plus and saved by bacon when it came to Galatic Ancestries.

Zoken44 wrote:

Cosmic is a type of creature There's that space butterfly from the Galaxy Guide book, they also have it. It indicates creatures who can survive in open space.

Cosmic has a functional effect, it doesn't really refer to a creature's origins.

I mean, it kinda does. It’s a creature from the void of space, seems to fit a living star perfectly fine and much better than aberration or ooze. I can see the argument for elemental, but that has an extraplanar connotation and I was not fan of them being native outsiders in 1e.

Anyhow, in Alien Core garaggakals have the [cosmic] [drift] traits and drift is clearly about where they are from rather than what type of creature they are. Ergo a solo cosmic indicating a uniquely interstellar origin seems completely appropriate.

Question to satisfy my curiosity: Do elves get the Asanan heritage?

I am very pleased with the development of Orcs and Dwarves in this book. Its a natural evolution of PF2's pivot on them and gives some new directions to go with things that you don't usually see in fantasy. Especially saying that...

Also, I am 100% making a Sonic the Hedgehog build with a Bantrid now. They've got some great feats for it.

Placed and have Galactic Ancestries, but only the per-chapter version, not the single PDF. Like Xethik, I'll give it a bit before badgering CS.

Good luck and speedy recoveries Maya!

Hmmm. If that's the case, it may very well be the end of my subscriptions - there's little point in being subscribed to everything you want if you can't get a discount on them. Maybe it will workout for getting core rulebook PDFs cheap? I have a hunch it won't though. Combine that tarrifs, DHL surcharges, and the cancellation of the Legacy Advantage and its looking more and more likely it will be cheaper to just buy the PDFs and pickup whatever I want hardcopies of from my FLGS.

I have to say, I have been utterly disappointed in everything to do with Paizo Plus program. I still love Pathfinder and Starfinder, I have deep respect for the writers, developers, and customer service at Paizo. I'll keep supporting the company and the game - but this leaves me with a very bitter taste in my mouth.

Definitely want to see a big exploration of what’s on the ocean floor. I was a huge fan of Cerulean Seas back in the day and while this book won’t have the same energy, as much as could come back as possible would be great.

It doesn’t and it’s been a frequent source of frustration for me and others since the new store launched. It also does not warn you if you are about to purchase a PDF you already have. Hoping it gets rectified soon.

I can't find out which products I own and which I don't own, it's not displayed in the store anymore. (it was in the old store and I used that to follow my collection as I own 2/3 of all pathfinder pdf.

I know I've harped on this in a couple places, but I would trade the entire new store to have this back. It is near impossible to navigate which products I do and do have without it - it is certainly now requires far to much effort for me to even consider picking up the parts of Paizo's back catalogue that I don't own. If it is creating that much friction for consumers, I would consider it a major problem that requires a priority fix. Being able to see which PDFs you on on the store front and receiving an alert in your cart when you try to purchase something you already own is a basic functionality of a modern digital store front.

Also because while exact dates are fun for nerd purposes and great for worldbuilding a novel, having more degrees of freedom allows different tables to nail down specific dates to help tell the stores they want. So going to your character’s backstory… what dates would make the most compelling story for that character? Is the rest of the table okay with pinning those dates down? If so, you have the dates you need.

Supporting what others have said, having physical/PDFs as different entries and no longer being able to see what is in our library on the store front is a major QoL loss. The new store is much prettier, but much harder to navigate. I could handle the former if I could see what I already had at a glance and filter by physical vs PDF, but as it stands it is very difficult for me to use this storefront.

I must agree. There is no doubt to me that Paizo wants and care about a good relationship with customers, but fees I did not sign up for and was not made aware ofmake me reconsider if a subscription is financially viable. At this rate, it may actually be cheaper to buy PDFs separately and just buy direct from my FLGS. But that decreases my chance of getting hardbacks at all.

Thank you Maya.

Legacy Paizo Advantage and Legacy Paizo Advantage - Adventure Path subscriber rewards are being carried over into the new store. We'll be sending an email out to those customers once we have migrated their accounts and subscriptions over to the rewards in the new store; it is not an automatic process. Both of those groups are customers that have maintained an active Pathfinder Adventure Path subscription since the launch of Pathfinder.

Can please we get an update/clarification on this? Totally understand that it is a process that will take time, so if it’s coming it’s coming, but there were several replies pointing out that there people with Legacy Paizo Advantage who weren’t subscribers since the start. I am certain I am not alone in wanting to know if we will be getting that discount going forward, especially in light of increased shipping costs and rising international tariffs.

You definitely aren’t alone and from the sounds of it, I don’t think you have been. This is the main post on the December thread. The 15-20% figure is from 4.5 hours ago, so maybe we are sitting around 60-70% now, but it could be lower.

Subscriptions kicked off later than we expected and are continuing to process now. As this is the first run under the new system, we're not exactly sure how long it will take to get through the entire subscriber list. It looks like we're about 15-20% done now.

We are also investigating why PDF copies are not being correctly delivered. I'll provide an update as soon as I have one.

[2 p.m. update] We have a potential fix in for the PDFs not releasing upon charge. We will manually grant them when the subscription run finishes for everyone if that fix isn't working. We still have quite a few subscriptions processing.

[4 p.m. update]: We've identified the source of PDFs not being delivered and corrected it. Subscriptions continue to process and we will fulfill missing PDFs when that process is complete, which we expect to be on Tuesday.

-Jim

Jim Butler wrote:

Legacy Paizo Advantage and Legacy Paizo Advantage - Adventure Path subscriber rewards are being carried over into the new store. We'll be sending an email out to those customers once we have migrated their accounts and subscriptions over to the rewards in the new store; it is not an automatic process. Both of those groups are customers that have maintained an active Pathfinder Adventure Path subscription since the launch of Pathfinder.

I thought that the people who have been constant AP suscribers since the first volume are the Charter suscribers and Paizo Legacy Advantage was another program for long-time suscribers, who also were suscribers during the first edition period? Now I am confused.

Agreed, and this feels like this is the source of miscommunication that has been plaguing this changeover. My 2e receipts have always shows the Legacy Paizo Advantage as their discount and I am solidly a subscriber since Hell’s Rebels

Zoken44 wrote:

That doesn't make a ton of sense to me. I get seasonal uptick in the river's volume, that make sense and was used to help build several river valley civilizations, like the Nile.

tons of civilization were built on regular predictable annual flooding. that should help keep soil renewed and fertile.

Water alone just washes away the top soil.

Unless the water leaves fertile mud, it will actively harm fertility. And that mud has to come from the right conditions upstream.

Also, few buildings and few trees can exist in the flood plain.

On top of all that, the Nile is a supremely bad example to cite as flooding = agricultural productivity since it was almost freakishly predictable and calm. The Yellow River is key to China’s development of agriculture, but it’s floods also earned it the moniker “China’s Sorrow” because of how utterly destructive and vicious it could be. Flooding rivers are not a safe things to live by, people did it out of necessity. The Nile is the exception rather than the rule, as is the River Sphinx on Golarion by extension.

As succinctly as possible - the golem’s got it. Immensely pleased to see it get a proper write up rather than be the OGL’s name for random constructs.

The Starfinder Adventure Subscription on the new store says "Tales From the Vast." I think that is all we know so far.

O.O

I got my shipping notice.

Downloading!

… holy cow, did my order come first this time? Downloading.

Originally posted this in the Gatewalkers Remaster product page as a reply one of James' post, but decided to move it over here where it is more appropriate. Link to the post I'm replying to.

We often cut the secondary articles in Adventure Path compilations like this, especially in cases (as with the Findeladlara article) the material isn't directly "load bearing" for the adventure itself. This is one of the many ways we keep costs down for hardcovers (every page we save can translate into a significant cost savings, depending on overall page count), but also to be frank one of the benefits of buying the first run of an Adventure Path too.

This makes perfect sense to me in the context of the Gatewalkers Remaster. One thing I am hoping as I scroll back through this post-Hellbreaker announcement is that new APs still have a good chunk of backmatter in them. The world building that happens in Adventure Paths is one of the most valuable things for me... literally, that is often the value I get since Desna knows I don't run all of them. I know it was meantioned on the announcement stream that backmatter isn't going away... but I do hope new adventure paths error on the side of more backmatter rather than less. There are things I love about Stolen Fates and I know why it didn't get as much backmatter... but it is a bummer to me. And there are times I feel 2e already has less backmatter than 1e APs, but that may just be my perception.

So yeah, I get trimming the backmatter of Gatewalkers in this context. I really appreciate you took the time to explain it. But I really really really want to see that backmatter worldbuilding continue in the quarterly adventure paths!

I hope that I do not have to wait another 20+ days past the notification that the order is getting ready before I get my things shipped like the past few months.

I might just decide to be done with being a subscriber and supporting Paizo at the point.

Is this a discussion that needs to be in multiple product threads? If you are that frustrated, make a thread about shipping or write an email to customer service rather than gumming up a thread for product discussion.

Rook & Dagger wrote:

Oh man, the things I would do to have this in a pocket edition.

We don't have plans for this right now, but it's good to know it's something you all want!

I would absolutely love a pocket edition of the Lost Omens line!

Jess, Jess, Jess, Jess, Jess, Jess!!!

and a deity without followers is a dead one :O

Nope. That's a D&Dism as well. I can't point you to an exact quote at the moment, but James Jacobs has corrected it multiple times in the Ask thread.

EDIT: And here's the link

Paypal and single click pause/cancel on subscriptions! Both very needed QoL improvements, thank you!

At the very least we need a timeline with ALL products on it. Figuring out the temporal sequence of one line of products is fairly easy, but figuring out how ALL the lines fit together is practically impossible at this point without constantly begging strangers to help you. Just the other day I found a thread that listed the Korvosa content in order, and I didn’t even know there was an order to it. And that’s just ONE city on one continent!

Well, I only saw this topic because I was updating my own, but I have been working on a visual timeline of Golarion for a good chunk of years now. It hasn't been consistent work and I am one person, so its in even less a complete state than the wiki, but I'm trying to pick away at it.

You can find it over here.

Holy cow, the number of little details jam packed in the Ancestry NPC section! This is an absolutely treasure trove and those worried it would just be human NPCs should be reassured: not only are there ancestry specific NPCs, there is a massive amount of worldbuilding in this book too.

Gazetteer? Building your own cultus? By the Gods yes!!!!

I expected Planar shenanigans in this adveture. I did not expect the planar shenanigans that stood out to me on first skim and the NPC written up in the back they are linked to. Bravo!

FallenDabus wrote:

Hmmmm, if we get the Golden Road next, then all of the Southern Inner Sea regions are covered. That would be dope.

Still missing the High Seas (which includes chunks of Garund).

I would not complain about that either!

Hmmmm, if we get the Golden Road next, then all of the Southern Inner Sea regions are covered. That would be dope.

It is not a satisfying answer, but I think it is probably best to not have static rules-based answers about how people in world generally understand magic, because that creates a lot of narrative restrictions that have to be consistently followed in many different contexts.

THIS. The game engine is not the in-universe physics engine that Golarian runs on. It is a useful starting point (gods know I've written a lot using mechanics as starting points), but adhering too closely to mechanics as simulation robs you of narratives.

FallenDabus wrote:

Squark wrote:

KingTreyIII wrote:

Kerkamoth, Otomens, and Valmallos are not reprinted here. Valmallos I kinda get, since he's an inevitable and those...kinda aren't a thing anymore. The other two are weird, though.

The gods Thremyr and Vavaalrav list their Divine Skill as Religion, which...doesn't really make sense. Most of the time that a deity's Divine Skill is granted to a creature they already are trained in Religion (see clerics and champions). They are literally the only two deities that have Religion as a Divine Skill.

Those three are all inevitables, which is why they were quietly phased out (Or in Otolmens's case, omitted from the in memoriam section).

The skills seem like an oversight that needs addressing. While you can get a deity's divine skill via Raised by Belief too, that's still just awkward for clerics and champions.

Edit:Themyr's divine skill is athletics in Divine Mysteries, actually, so that's just an error. They did give Vavaalrav Religion, so that's "correct" at least.

Clerics and Champions aren't the only ones who can take the background though, so it's not really an issue? They just choose a different skill like any other background.

Raised by Belief isn't the issue. A Cleric/champion receives training in Religion and their deity's skill... Which for Vavaalrav is also religion. This probably still falls under the category of a class making you trained in a skill you're already trained in (Instead pick another skill of your choice), but it's a weird case and as far as I can tell unprecedented. Giving Vavaalrav's followers Society (learning about funeral traditions and keeping the memory of those who have died) or crafting (building mausoleums and other graveyard edifices) would make things easier.

Eh, right. Fair point, although pick a different skill does resolve it easily.

KingTreyIII wrote:

Kerkamoth, Otomens, and Valmallos are not reprinted here. Valmallos I kinda get, since he's an inevitable and those...kinda aren't a thing anymore. The other two are weird, though.

The gods Thremyr and Vavaalrav list their Divine Skill as Religion, which...doesn't really make sense. Most of the time that a deity's Divine Skill is granted to a creature they already are trained in Religion (see clerics and champions). They are literally the only two deities that have Religion as a Divine Skill.

Those three are all inevitables, which is why they were quietly phased out (Or in Otolmens's case, omitted from the in memoriam section).

The skills seem like an oversight that needs addressing. While you can get a deity's divine skill via Raised by Belief, that's still just awkward for clerics and champions.

Edit:Themyr's divine skill is athletics in Divine Mysteries, actually, so that's just an error. They did give Vavaalrav Religion, so that's "correct" at least.

Clerics and Champions aren't the only ones who can take the background though, so it's not really an issue? They just choose a different skill like any other background.

Clearly the warehouse is working hard to get everything shipped before the Christmas rush. Got my shipping notice today.

Ritunn wrote:

It's nice to see Set get the option for Holy and Unholy and some much kinder anathema. I know one of my players was quite sad to see the deity all evil, but it seems he got a more neutral take on his character now!

Him and Sobek. I was surprised they could have have holy priests

To be fair, Sobek was CN in 1e. And ooooo, I hadn't noticed those changes to Set. I like that much better than what we had before!

So I know I did this when Gods and Mysteries came out, but I'm doing it again... I really, really want a book that gives everyone in the Other Gods section (and all the new dieties in the Lost Omens books) the full 4-page spread the Core 20 got. Or at least book that does that for the dieties who weren't in Inner Sea Faiths and Faiths of Golarion. While things like realms and divine allies won't play a role in every game, they are very useful and they play a roll in a lot of my games :)

LiaElf76 wrote:

ShinHakkaider wrote:

There were MANY times where I walked into my "local" gaming store (The Compleat Strategist in nYC) and saw that they had a book on the shelves and I was STILL waiting for mine to show up in my mailbox.

That sounds like your local game shop was breaking the street dates for merchandise they received. I’m assuming that Paizo has street dates for its books like any other publisher. That’s not really something to get upset with Paizo about.

Not this person but I'd easily believe it. Shipping is preeeeeetty slow, on average I get the physical books 1-1.5 weeks (one time, it was 2) after the street date, so local shops would already have it. I don't personally mind it because books end up being just shelf decoration, but if I wanted the physical book, going to the local store is more cost effective since you get to save up on the shipping fees (In fact, given that it feels really wasteful to be subscribed just to get the PDF early, I'm likely to stop subscribing, and just buy every PDF, and then choice buy books from my local shops if I really like a particular book for any reason)

Yeah, it’s a thing that is regular if you aren’t in the US. Heck, new products drop tomorrow and my subs still haven’t shipped, so there’s at least a decent chance I won’t have the PDFs when things go on sale.

It’s not world ending for me, but it can be an irritant and I see how other may get reasonably upset by it.

I appreciate your clarification, but I feel parts of that aren't really directly applicable? Real life Set might've been all that, sure, but here we're dealing with Pathfinder Set, and I'm not sure if we can apply much of the real life stuff to it. Maybe. It's weird with Earth existing in the world as well. And also because he's pretty undeveloped, likely because... Real mythology exists. But I digress. In Pathfinder, Set is the lord of the dark desert, and he's really into murder and the undead. Doesn't necessarily match with the real myths.

If that's the conclusion we come to, its one more case of cultural appropriation of a non-European mythological and religious tradition by a Western game - one that doesn't have many modern worshipers, but does have an active worship in neopagan communites. See also the implicit Orientalism that was already meantioned.

Thanks, but no thanks.

pauljathome wrote:

Rysky wrote:

Sekhmet ;_;

Yup. One of my favourite PFS characters is an awakened leopard ClawDancer who used to be a temple guardian for Sekhmet. Great character (mechanically and for flavour).

At least mechanically she gets no powers from Sekhmet so won't be affected by any changes PFS makes wrt dead Gods. But she'll be quite peeved if her beloved patron is no more.

If you're looking for some Golarion-specific equivalents: Adanye is a cat goddess who is a guardian of the home, while the three Old Sun Gods of Mzali (Chohar, Luhar, and Tlehar) are all solar lion deities; Tlehar in particular is a passionate lioness, which matches Sekhmet pretty well.

And that's really it for me - you can put sun-themed cat goddesses in your Fantasy Africa without it literally just being Bast and Sekhmet.

Oooooooo - the Mzali trinity in Osirion would be rad! Gimme, gimme, gimme!

Are we to believe that Set and Horus or others buddied up? Doesn't make much sense.

Um... yes? Set was one of Re's most ardent defenders against Apep? There is obviously the longstanding rivalry with Horus and the murder of Osiris, but he was still depicted as a leader and an extremely important God within Kemetic myth.

Perennial reminder that Seti I and II were both named after Set still conceived of as being divine manifestations of Horus on earth. This is one of the reasons I'm with keftiu - Kemetic mythology and culture is vastly more nuanced than what fantasy RPGs tend to portray and it really needs an RPG dedicated to IRL mythology to do it justice (games like Scion spring to mind). Set is vastly more than a one note evil deity and bluntly, the way Pathfinder has portrayed him bothers me more and more as time goes on.

Kasoh wrote:

I did not expect a Mighty Max reference.

I literally had the episode "The Maxnificent Seven" in the recommended media for writers on the project.

Heh, I don't know if its possible to share, but having freelanced for other RPG companies, I would love to see what those recommended media lists look like for Paizo projects. Always facinating to see how other people bake the cookie.