Atlas "Ace" Boomer's page

I usually check all my games every day, but I've been handed an extra project at work that will be eating up a lot of my free time. So if I disappear for a few days, don't worry, I'll be back.

I'm here, checking every day. Any posts are better than stopping the game, IMHO.

Rigor - can you please give me editing access to the tavern map? Thanks!

Party may act except for Elaina...

Where is everybody?

Great!

Sorry to hear about your situation, hope everything works out ok.

Ace continues to run toward the source of the problem :

3" from door of shop.

Running: 1d6 ⇒ 5 = 11"

I would move my icon into the shop, but I don't have editing access. Can you please give me the ability to edit the apothecary shop, so I can move my icon? Thanks!

Ping?

Elaina - sorry to hear that, you will be missed. Hope things settle down soon.

Sorry, I usually wait for the GM to say "so-and-so and so-and-so can act" or "everyone can act", I don't like to assume.

Ace continues to run towards the problem :

25" - 11" (last run) = 14"

Running: 1d6 ⇒ 5 = 11"

Am I now 3" away from the shop's entrance, or 3" away from the source of the fliers?

Thanks for the map, that looks really great!
But sorry, I simply *must* put the cards in descending order, so that each of us can easily see when our turn is :

Baddies: 1d45 ⇒ 44 = Joker
Jace: 1d49 ⇒ 39 = Queen Spades
Arsenio w/Quickness: 1d52 ⇒ 39 = Queen Clubs
Thumper: 1d47 ⇒ 33 = Jack Diamonds
Elaine: 1d50 ⇒ 32 = 10 Hearts
Micheaux: 1d46 ⇒ 22 = 8 Diamonds
K842: 1d48 ⇒ 21 = 7 Spades
Ace: 1d54 ⇒ 22 = 7 Diamonds
Aterro: 1d51 ⇒ 20 = 7 Clubs

Or, since the baddies have gone first, does it really matter if we don't stick to the listed order? Or do you want us to go in "groups" (like, Jace, Aresnio and Thumper go first, but in any order between them)?

Ummm...not that it really matters, but there's something wrong with your random card-generating process, because both K842 and I got the 7 of Spades! :)

Please go ahead and ask, more clarification can't hurt. But he only answers questions once or twice a week, so it may be a few days before you get an answer - I really lucked up with a 1-day turnaround.

But based on my statement :
My GM thinks it's a part of the Trait roll, and so doesn't treat it like a modifier in Clint's original answer.

And his answer (emphasis added) :
ALL modifiers, regardless of source, get counted.

Seems to indicate that the +1 in a d12+1 is indeed a "modifier", and so gets applied to the d6.

However, you've said several times that that is inconsistent - I would disagree. Treating any "+N" from *anywhere* as a modifier is more consistent, is it not?

The core issue is this: why does the Wild Die stay static through all your dice changes, from d4 to d12, and then suddenly start increasing in step with your skill die, but only in this circumstance?

Because as Clint said, all total modifiers to the Trait die also applies to the d6. Below d12+1, there are no inherent modifiers to the Trait die, so the d6 stays d6. But as soon as the +1 appears, it also applies to the d6 because it is a modifier.

But I know you don't agree with this answer, and I think the reason is you're seeing the +1 in d12+1 as part of the Trait roll, not as a "Trait roll with a modifier". So please phrase the question that I'll post on the Core Rules board. I'll give you a starting point, please feel free to modify it or replace it as desired :

When a Trait die is d12+1 (or +2, +3, etc.), does the +1 also apply to the Wild die? If the roll is d12+1 *plus* some other bonus from an Edge or circumstance, does the +1 and the bonus apply to the Wild die?

Example : the Trait roll is d12+1 and +2 from some Edge. Is the Wild die d6+2 or d6+3?

P.S. - I hope I'm being civil enough, I don't want to sound insulting.

Rigor - the specific question to Clint was "If you have a trait of d12+1", so I think it's pretty clear that the question is addressing the very same issue we are. And Clint's answer is "all modifiers apply to the higher die result...without exception".

I would like to post this question over at PEG, but would like you to phrase it here, so there can be no doubt about its resolution.

Rigor - the question is literally about whether the +1 on a d12 carries over to the d6, and Clint said yes. I don't know how he could have mis-read the question. Also, some things about the rules are so "core" that they simply don't change over time.

On that different note, if you'll allow me to ret-con, :
Seeing that the ambassador is safe, Ace heads towards the source of the problem :

Running: 1d6 ⇒ 5 = Moves 11"
How far away is the source after moving 11"?

If I can't ret-con, I will have been blasting at the creatures to cover the ambassador's escape.

Ace continues to protect the ambassador, shooting at anything that comes near, using a 3-round burst :
Shooting & Wild,+3RB: 1d12 + 3 + 2 ⇒ (2) + 3 + 2 = 71d6 + 3 + 2 ⇒ (2) + 3 + 2 = 7

Assuming that hits with penalties, he does
Damage,+3RB: 3d6 + 2 + 2 ⇒ (3, 1, 1) + 2 + 2 = 9

Rigor - from HERE, a system developer has said "All modifiers apply to the higher die result whether it is the Trait die or the Wild Die, without exception." (emphasis added).

My actions are taken up by the run, extra action for ranged attack?

I doubt there's any official rulings on this situation on the PEG boards about this, but I suppose if Running is your only other Action, then there's no MAP for the Shooting. I hadn't thought of it that way...

K-842 - in both RIFTS and SWD, extra arms explicitly says it grants the character "an additional non-movement action" with no MAP.

K-842, Running is a non-Free Action, so there's a -2 penalty to your Shooting...

K-842, don't forget your Wild die on the Shooting!

Elaina - if I'm understand things correctly, you only took 1 action on your second "turn" from the Quickness, so there' no MAP (each turn in Quickness is separated from the other). That means your Shooting was an 8, which is a Raise, so add another d6 to your damage!

Just out of curiosity, how far is the Ambassador from the Shoppe in inches?

Ace continues to protect the ambassador, shooting at anything that comes near, using a 3-round burst :
Shooting & Wild,+3RB: 1d12 + 3 + 2 ⇒ (11) + 3 + 2 = 161d6 + 3 + 2 ⇒ (4) + 3 + 2 = 9 = 16

Doing
Damage,+3RB: 3d6 + 2 + 2 ⇒ (1, 5, 6) + 2 + 2 = 16
Damage ACE!: 1d6 ⇒ 4

Assuming the 16 doesn't get knocked down to below 8 due to penalties :

Damage Raise: 1d6 ⇒ 2 = 22

It appears that it wasn't stated in SWD, but it was clarified by the game developers HERE. It's stated explicitly in SWADE : "Running dice never Ace" (page 92).

Rigor - running dice can never Ace, unless that's a RIFTS thing or a house-rule...

Elaina - sorry, I just saw you making rolls and didn't look to see why. Nevermind...

Ace stays near the ambassador, shooting at anything that comes near, using a 3-round burst :
Shooting,+3RB: 1d12 + 3 + 2 ⇒ (6) + 3 + 2 = 11 I'm assuming that at least hits...

Doing
Damage,+3RB: 3d6 + 2 + 2 ⇒ (5, 3, 2) + 2 + 2 = 14

In case the 11 doesn't get knocked down to below 8 due to penalties :
Raise Damage: 1d6 ⇒ 2 = 16

Elaina - sorry for the late correction, but if you're Shaken, you can't attack. However, you get a free Spirit roll (no penalty since you're not Wounded) to recover, and if that fails (and you want to keep the attack) you can spend a Benny to automatically recover.

Rigor - glad you're back! But I haven't seen an Initiative draw in some time, so I don't know if you're waiting on us or we're waiting on you...

Ping?

Boomer says into his comms : "I repeat, does anyone have any idea what the source of these creatures is? If so, let us all know so we can all nullify it!"

Rigor - I thought you said there weren't too many near us, but if there are creatures close enough that the ambassador can shoot at them, Boomer will too (at this point, in the next round, I guess)...

HERE. Free download.

Now that I've looked at them again, what I don't like about them is you get a Wound on an ordinary Failure, which could put some PC's out of the fight really quickly.

PEG published something after SWD, but well before SWADE, called Quick Combat Rules. I *think* it's available as a free download PDF, and it's only 2 pages long.

The problem with Dramatic Tasks is that one PC is usually trying to accomplish a specific goal, like defusing a bomb or finishing a ritual, while the other PC's are just vaguely "fighting the bad guys".

The Quick Combat rules engage every PC, with different results for each PC depending on their rolls.

??? I searched both SWD and SWADE core rules, and RIFTS(SWD) for "Challenge" and couldn't find anything...

K-842 : the roll is at -2, not +2, and you always apply the same modifiers to the Wild die as well. So you rolled a 1, 5 less than the TN. So you add 5 to your d20 roll of 12, getting 17, which means you have a Major Phobia.

I've always played it as being effective immediately.

That's been confirmed by a game developer on the SW boards. After casting Quickness, you get a second action in the same turn.

Boomer holds his position, ready to fire upon any creatures that approach his little group. He is technically "On Hold".

Do we have "comms" units in our ears? If so...

"Does anyone have any idea what the source of these creatures is? If so, nullify it!"

Thumper, once you're un-Shaken by spending a Benny, you can act normally this round.

Boomer was with Wraith and the ambassador, and was momentarily confused by the sudden darkness :

Spirit & Wild,+2 Edge, +2 Joker: 1d6 + 2 + 2 ⇒ (3) + 2 + 2 = 71d6 + 2 + 2 ⇒ (4) + 2 + 2 = 8

Having recovered, he chooses to stick close to the ambassador and shoot anything that comes near them.

I may post further actions depending on the answers to the following questions...

Rigor - are there any targets within 40" of us? If any are heading in our direction, I'll shoot at those first, otherwise just aim at anything. And what's the Illumination penalty for those of us with regular human eyes?

Rigor - any estimate on when you'll be able to start the game again? I'm sure there's lots to review in order to make a reminder summary - I'm not in a hurry, just curious.

I don't care either way, as long as we get a recap of where we were (if picking up) or are (if skipping ahead).

Hey, 5 PCs is plenty good to start with!

I'm here and ready to go!

Maybe PM the players who were posting most recently?

No problem. I still check every day. If you don't see any other replies from the other players sometime soon, maybe you could PM them to check Discussion?

Still here, checking every day.

Can we use theater-of-the-mind?

Hey, Thumper, low rolls on the Fear table (in Rigor's last post above) are *good* - you're only Shaken!

Spirit, Wild: 1d6 ⇒ 51d6 ⇒ 1 --> +1 to Fear table roll

Fear Table: 1d20 ⇒ 7 +1 = 8 --> Shaken

Ace greets the ambassador if he is introduced, adding that he is a glitterboy pilot himself, and then waits for Gregor or Wraith to start the conversation.

Atlas leaves his station at the high-rise and falls in with Androva and Thumper. "Either of you know where this place is?"

Thumper?

Thumper's "mysterious mage" is still a possible option, depending on who it is and what Thumper thinks he might be able to do for us. Let's see what he says when he comes back from the con...