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It appears that if you have a racial boon that opens up a normally non legal race to use for this purpose. You can. So unless you have a Goblin Race boon laying around, you cannot.
If the non-legal options are an automatic part of the archetype, such as a feat that all characters with that archetype gain, the Additional Resources page often provides a substitution. If it does not, that option is legal for your character. However, if the non-legal options are part of a menu of choices, such as a list of feats that includes one feat that is not legal, the option does not become legal for your character. John, thanks for the reply! It's good to hear!
And the new ruling calls out that normally that works, however, the "however" statement overrules that. you can not pick and choose which part of a statement to apply. it either needs revision or clarification. Per the AR - Feats: none of the feats are legal for play for PCs, animal companions, or familiars unless specifically granted by another legal source; The fact is, that the feat IS illegal. It is illegal for all characters with an exception. That exception is clarified in this ruling. So yes Improved Natural Attack is illegal per the AR. Rangers COULD circumvent that by having a feature that gives me access to features that are not legal as per Additional Resources which is the same exemption in the bestiary. Therefore by the rest of the ruling, as currently written, it stays illegal.
And the new ruling calls out that normally that works, however, the "however" statement overrules that. you can not pick and choose which part of a statement to apply. it either needs revision or clarification.
And if you read this ruling, it overrides the AR page, because the Ranger LIST of feats is MENU contain both legal and illegal feats. This ruling states that because it meets that criteria, the illegal feats stay illegal. You just said "Step 1: look at ranger style list, see Improved Natural Attack" That menu of options contains a feat that is stated on the AR as not legal....
I wonder if it is intended that animal companions can no longer take Improved Natural Armor and Improved Natural Attack?I'm on my phone so this I can't easily quote the relevant text, but the FAQ about an illegal choice in a list still isn't legal implies that natural combat style rangers can't take improved natural attack. Is that intended? And if you read this ruling, it overrides the AR page, because the Ranger LIST of feats is MENU contain both legal and illegal feats. This ruling states that because it meets that criteria, the illegal feats stay illegal.
I'm on my phone so this I can't easily quote the relevant text, but the FAQ about an illegal choice in a list still isn't legal implies that natural combat style rangers can't take improved natural attack. Is that intended?
If the non-legal options are an automatic part of the archetype, such as a feat that all characters with that archetype gain, the Additional Resources page often provides a substitution. If it does not, that option is legal for your character. However, if the non-legal options are part of a menu of choices, such as a list of feats that includes one feat that is not legal, the option does not become legal for your character. As stated here in this ruling (which is overriding the Additional Resources text), Improved Natural Weapon (i assume is the feat in question), is part of a list of menu choices, therefore it is not legal.
Looks to me like Oathbound paladins get a double code, not a replacement code.Great work, appreciate the faq updates. I understand the reasoning behind the paragraph about paladins and poison due to their code of conduct, but i would appreciate a further clarification for some of the oaths, such as oath of vengence that replaces the code of conduct class feature, especially if the paladin's race gives them a natural poison. Oath of vengeance's Code of Conduct reads, "Never let lesser evils distract you from your pursuit of just vengeance" so may allow at least the racial poison. *In addition to their God's code* The core paladin Code of Conduct isn't listed as "their God's code". It is it's own thing. If the god of the Paladin states "no poison" then i agree, if it doesn't then they can use them.
Great work, appreciate the faq updates. I understand the reasoning behind the paragraph about paladins and poison due to their code of conduct, but i would appreciate a further clarification for some of the oaths, such as oath of vengence that replaces the code of conduct class feature, especially if the paladin's race gives them a natural poison. Oath of vengeance's Code of Conduct reads, "Never let lesser evils distract you from your pursuit of just vengeance" so may allow at least the racial poison. It appears that the Oathbound archetype does indeed change the language listed for the core Paladin's Code of Conduct and never again mentions poisons. This would seem that Oathbound Paladins are exempt from this ruling. "Code of Conduct: The oathbound paladin must abide by the listed tenets of her oath in addition to the specifics of her god's code of conduct. In some cases, a deity's or paladin order's code may conflict with the oath's tenets; in most cases, these conflicts mean the oath is unsuitable for a paladin of that deity or order (such as the Oath against the Wyrm with respect to a good dragon deity or a dragon-riding order of paladins) and cannot be selected by the paladin."
The PRD calls out Barding as armor for non humanoid creatures. So armor for a non humanoid is Barding. The terms appear interchangeable. http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateEquipment/gear/animalsAndTranspo rts.html#barding Plus under the armornfor unusual creature table it lists by humanoid/non humanoid. Sentience does not appear to be a qualifier. http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateEquipment/armsAndArmor/armor.htm l#armor-for-unusual-creatures-table
It was in a Blog post. http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lheb?Society-Unchained You may notice that we did not say the unchained summoner would be available alongside its Advanced Player's Guide counterpart. Effective immediately, the Advanced Player's Guide summoner is no longer available in the organized play campaign, and the unchained summoner is its legal replacement. However, we recognize that someone who already has a summoner (and the book to play it) should not be punished for this change. Therefore, if you have a character with levels in the summoner class, and you have played the character at least once at level 2 or higher, you get to keep your summoner as is; you may also continue to gain levels in the summoner class. Any character gaining a level in summoner for the first time must use the unchained summoner, and anyone character still within the 1st-level window of free rebuilding must also use the unchained summoner.
John, Does running Serpents Rise or True Dragons at a convention supersede the star requirement? Thanks!
1. My bard, Shika, will not go near boats OR female dwarves anymore due to reoccurring nightmares that shall not be spoke of in public... 2. My half-elf alchemist, Breaux, now hates paladins because two of them killed this really hot female half elf he wanted to take out to dinner. She made really tasty tea too. /le sigh.
Lets beat this horse again..... As per the Oath entry: A paladin who takes an oath against demons, devils, daemons, and other evil outsiders is constantly on the lookout for malicious fiendish insurgence into the world, and faces it with swift and unwavering defiance. Often she works closely with inquisitors, searching for signs of outsider manipulation and possession. It specifically states (as everyone seems to skim over and NOT read) "malicious fiendish insurgence"... a familiar or summoned creature bound to be an ally is not considered to be insurgent.... FFS if you're going to chose something and RP to the max. Make sure *YOU* pay attention to the verbiage. *sips some soul coke* This past tuesday, i was adventuring along side my Andoran pathfinder friend Remy Merlotte, (see our exploits on twitter @Meku_Okami and @RemyMerlotte) we were in an Orc town where slavery was legal... now while the proprietor of this one establishment promised us the freedom of a said individual, if we accomplished a task, then reneged on the terms after we accomplished said tast, referring to this individual as his "property". Remy was very unsettled, sternly voiced his opinions and was poised for action.Even I, in all my Cheliaxan glory, was OK with that... le sigh, but the orc attacked us and then beaten unconscious by my faithful companion Kura Okami. but when Remy starting talking about ending his life for being a slave owner, i had to quickly remind him that in some places it was legal...*cough*... and that it was local law and there was nothing we could do at this time... mission priority. and he calmed down... thank god too... that man is a beast. but enough of my exploits...wait...what were we talking about? *sips some more soul coke, and noms on synders mustard pretzels*
*enters the room with a soapbox* *mounts high horse* Seriously! All you VO's who insist on antagonizing an obvious valid moral debate should be SHUNNED for trivializing this matter! I mean obviously everyone is overlooking "malicious fiendish insurgence", which, if the evil outsider in question is bound to service of a pathfinder... it would not be considered insurgent..... *steps off soap box* *gets off high horse* Namaste. *sits besides Chris* .........may i have a soul coke?
I don't know if you've given any thought to playing Pathfinder Society, but we do have PFS games running at PC Outpost in Kannapolis on Saturdays! We also run at Your Local Game Store in Matthews on tuesdays and fridays. Hornets Nest Lodge @ Warhorn.net. We'd love to have some new players!
sorry to pop in on an older post but just as an fyi, i know its not an AP, but if you want to play some pathfinder join us at YLGS in Matthews tues and fri nigh for pathfinder society. its really taking off up there on avg we have about 15 people. email me if you have any questions, kekashi@hornetsnestlodge.org. also find us in the event page on paizo.com http://paizo.com/events/v5748mkg0akpv
or even on our warhorn.net page. https://warhorn.net/events/hornets-nest-lodge/ hope to see y'all out there sometime! |
