Pathfinder Society Additional Resources Updated

I noticed the Varisian idol was banned from the Varisia sourcebook. This item is a bit different than the idol presented in the Rise of the Runelords player's guide. That item was legal under the "All Equipment on pages 10-11" description. Is that idol still PFS legal?

No it isn't. I will fix it in the next Additional Resources in the RotRL players guide.

I just wanted to weigh in. While I will respect Mike's decision. I was confused and disappointed when I realized that Deadly Dealer was not allowed. Looking at its requirements, there is nothing I can see that is not currently allowed in Society play. Its effects are neat but, imho, not overpowered, with the addition that one of them will see limited use as PCs can not use Magic Item creation Feats.

I am confused why the Roles are included in the question of whats allowed as they have no systematic effect and are just guidelines. In my opinion, their mention in the additional resources documents is a waste of space.

Lastly, I will join my voice with those who are confused over the denial of the HellKnight Signifer prestige class. I do not have access to the book as of yet so I can not comment with any specifics in mind

I mean no disrespect in any of the above and in fact am trying to be helpful in my responses, I hope my post is viewed in that light. I have said my piece on these items and will now drop it, unless someone wants me to clarify something.

Not a subscriber so I won't have Ultimate Equipment until Thursday, but here's a list of things that are currently legal from one source but not legal from UE. (Some may be different things with the same name and I may have missed some.)

Armor Special Abilities - Dastard (APG)
Specific Magic Shields - Celestial Shield (ARG), Elysian Shield (ARG)
Weapon Special Abilities - Unholy (Core)
Specific Magic Weapons - Nine Lives Stealer (Core)
Rods - Rod of the Viper (Core)
Equipment - Darkskull (Core), Robe of the Archmagi (Black) (Core) (I think the Otherworldly Kimono (Jade Regent 6) was legal, but it doesn't appear to be anymore.)

I see that most of these are "evil" items. Most aren't big impacters; no one could use Dastard or the Black Robe anyway, unholy doesn't work against much in PFS and the Nine Lives Stealer is a serious limited charge item. But I know some negative channel focused clerics who were greedily eyeing the Darkskull (with a nice effect tied to it) and I have no idea why the Celestial and Elysian shields would be banned.

Anyway, there's the list of things that need to be updated one way or the other.

here's a list of things that are currently legal from one source but not legal from UE. (Some may be different things with the same name and I may have missed some.)

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Specific Magic Weapons - Nine Lives Stealer (Core)
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Anyway, there's the list of things that need to be updated one way or the other.

No way -- really? Never knew this. Everybody pull out your

No way -- really? Never knew this. Everybody pull out your

** spoiler omitted ** chronicle sheet and raise your hand if you're confused.

So I guess I should qualify this as "things that are available to anyone if you have enough fame" since chronicle sheets can break the rules anyway.

Just intended to list things that the "Additional Resources" page doesn't agree with itself on.

blade of the sword-saint

Monks can't have nice things.

blade of the sword-saint

Monks can't have nice things.

Not unless they play

I'll keep this in mind.

I'll keep this in mind.

Note, I'm implying that they get an awesome item in said scenario(s). Not that the item you want is there.

Not a subscriber so I won't have Ultimate Equipment until Thursday, but here's a list of things that are currently legal from one source but not legal from UE. (Some may be different things with the same name and I may have missed some.)

Armor Special Abilities - Dastard (APG)
Specific Magic Shields - Celestial Shield (ARG), Elysian Shield (ARG)
Weapon Special Abilities - Unholy (Core)
Specific Magic Weapons - Nine Lives Stealer (Core)
Rods - Rod of the Viper (Core)
Equipment - Darkskull (Core), Robe of the Archmagi (Black) (Core) (I think the Otherworldly Kimono (Jade Regent 6) was legal, but it doesn't appear to be anymore.)

I see that most of these are "evil" items. Most aren't big impacters; no one could use Dastard or the Black Robe anyway, unholy doesn't work against much in PFS and the Nine Lives Stealer is a serious limited charge item. But I know some negative channel focused clerics who were greedily eyeing the Darkskull (with a nice effect tied to it) and I have no idea why the Celestial and Elysian shields would be banned.

Anyway, there's the list of things that need to be updated one way or the other.

Thanks. I will update the entries in APG to reflect the above that I missed. Also, as for the few items in the CRB that were legal. I made a decision that those items are going away and are no longer legal in PFS play.

blade of the sword-saint

Monks can't have nice things.

All I've heard for the last year is how Chronicle sheets don't matter and how people wish they did. One of the ways I'm trying to improve this is to make most "general" magic items legal, but any specific named items restricted to Chronicles only. Making everything legal carte Blanche in the past is what has led us to Chronicle sheets not being very interesting now. Wouldn't you rather fight a bad guy who has the above item, and then claim it, instead of me just saying it was legal and everyone who wants can buy one?

a prestige class boon? Intriguing but I do doubt it.

Why do you doubt it?

Quickrunner's Shirt is added to the list of items banned from PFS. It will be added to the next update of Additional Resources in September.

Michael, I 100% approve of a more-restricted Open list and chronicle access to Cool Toys. It was one of the things that made the "what's on the bad guys" matter in LG, and not matter much at all in LFR.

Also, still stoked about the access presented on the Storval Stairs chronicle. It seems the Season 4 adventures are already moving toward this improvement!

GM Kyle wrote:

blade of the sword-saint

Monks can't have nice things.

All I've heard for the last year is how Chronicle sheets don't matter and how people wish they did. One of the ways I'm trying to improve this is to make most "general" magic items legal, but any specific named items restricted to Chronicles only. Making everything legal carte Blanche in the past is what has led us to Chronicle sheets not being very interesting now. Wouldn't you rather fight a bad guy who has the above item, and then claim it, instead of me just saying it was legal and everyone who wants can buy one?

*applauds* Same thing for some of the prestige classes being unlocked. Maybe the Hellknight Signifier will be unlocked if you do a specific scenario and 'cross the line' in that scenario.

Wouldn't you rather fight a bad guy who has the above item, and then claim it, instead of me just saying it was legal and everyone who wants can buy one?

"Good morning pathfinders. We need to form a group to take down the Evil monk So-Lin, possessor of the cursed sword of the sword saint, can i have some volunteee...."

Cue the monk stampede at a 70 foot movement rate

Michael Brock wrote:

Wouldn't you rather fight a bad guy who has the above item, and then claim it, instead of me just saying it was legal and everyone who wants can buy one?

"Good morning pathfinders. We need to form a group to take down the Evil monk So-Lin, possessor of the cursed sword of the sword saint, can i have some volunteee...."

Cue the monk stampede at a 70 foot movement rate

Or the want to GM the scenarios as well has gone up :-)

All I've heard for the last year is how Chronicle sheets don't matter and how people wish they did. One of the ways I'm trying to improve this is to make most "general" magic items legal, but any specific named items restricted to Chronicles only. Making everything legal carte Blanche in the past is what has led us to Chronicle sheets not being very interesting now. Wouldn't you rather fight a bad guy who has the above item, and then claim it, instead of me just saying it was legal and everyone who wants can buy one?

^----This....+1....billion.

All I've heard for the last year is how Chronicle sheets don't matter and how people wish they did. One of the ways I'm trying to improve this is to make most "general" magic items legal, but any specific named items restricted to Chronicles only. Making everything legal carte Blanche in the past is what has led us to Chronicle sheets not being very interesting now. Wouldn't you rather fight a bad guy who has the above item, and then claim it, instead of me just saying it was legal and everyone who wants can buy one?

Agreed. I hope things continue to move in this direction.

Sporge wrote:

a prestige class boon? Intriguing but I do doubt it.

Why do you doubt it?

Now I am just filled with uncertainty....

The doubt was more just a never been done.

Michael Brock wrote:

Sporge wrote:

a prestige class boon? Intriguing but I do doubt it.

Why do you doubt it?

Now I am just filled with uncertainty....

The doubt was more just a never been done.

They broke the PFS "race barrier" by including a unique race as a possible reward of playing at the PaizoCon Convocation -- so I think the "class barrier" will be an easy one to move through as well.

Sporge wrote:

Michael Brock wrote:

Sporge wrote:

a prestige class boon? Intriguing but I do doubt it.

Why do you doubt it?

Now I am just filled with uncertainty....

The doubt was more just a never been done.

They broke the PFS "race barrier" by including a unique race as a possible reward of playing at the PaizoCon Convocation -- so I think the "class barrier" will be an easy one to move through as well.

Summoners will require chronicles! :P

Well fingers crossed on a few...

They broke the PFS "race barrier" by including a unique race as a possible reward of playing at the PaizoCon Convocation -- so I think the "class barrier" will be an easy one to move through as well.

Boons I have no real problem with, given how easy it is to trade for them online/at conventions and they can be applied to any character.

My largest hesitation with PrC Chronicles is making sure you play the scenario you need with the right character before they level beyond the PrC being worthwhile (some simply aren't if you can't take X number of levels in them). It makes it very difficult to plan out a character.

My suggestion on Chronicles is to allow any character for that player access (even if it is just one PC, a la the Fetchling Chronicle from the 12+ tier of the Grand Convocation) when it is acquired this way.

Sporge wrote:

Michael Brock wrote:

Sporge wrote:

a prestige class boon? Intriguing but I do doubt it.

Why do you doubt it?

Now I am just filled with uncertainty....

The doubt was more just a never been done.

They broke the PFS "race barrier" by including a unique race as a possible reward of playing at the PaizoCon Convocation -- so I think the "class barrier" will be an easy one to move through as well.

they did? I swear I was there, but keep hearing about stuff I missed... :)

I think Fetchlings are the race that only people at the paizocon convocation could receive?

Walter Sheppard wrote:

They broke the PFS "race barrier" by including a unique race as a possible reward of playing at the PaizoCon Convocation -- so I think the "class barrier" will be an easy one to move through as well.

Boons I have no real problem with, given how easy it is to trade for them online/at conventions and they can be applied to any character.

My largest hesitation with PrC Chronicles is making sure you play the scenario you need with the right character before they level beyond the PrC being worthwhile (some simply aren't if you can't take X number of levels in them). It makes it very difficult to plan out a character.

My suggestion on Chronicles is to allow any character for that player access (even if it is just one PC, a la the Fetchling Chronicle from the 12+ tier of the Grand Convocation) when it is acquired this way.

*shrug* just GM it.

My largest hesitation with PrC Chronicles is making sure you play the scenario you need with the right character before they level beyond the PrC being worthwhile

perhaps the PrC unlocking will be available through some of the PFS Quests since they can be run through with each character. And perhaps these quests would be titled obviously, like: "The Signifier's Initiation" or "Indoctrination in the Cult of Razmir" etc

I'm not particularly concerned about new prestige classes in PFS. The level 12 retirement cap severely impacts what you can do with a prestige class. I have three characters at the moment (12, 8, 5) and it's too late for any of those to take advantage of a new prestige class (since none of them was banned and has to rebuild).

bdk86 wrote:

My largest hesitation with PrC Chronicles is making sure you play the scenario you need with the right character before they level beyond the PrC being worthwhile

perhaps the PrC unlocking will be available through some of the PFS Quests since they can be run through with each character. And perhaps these quests would be titled obviously, like: "The Signifier's Initiation" or "Indoctrination in the Cult of Razmir" etc

That would be absolutely awesome. I love the idea. Very much so.

Well fingers crossed on a few...

Wiles of the Winter Witch?

I know I'd love to get my hands on the ability to play a Gray Gardener.

I'll keep this in mind.

Don't build it up too much in your head or you might get disappointed. Now that it's been revised, it's a nice little item for any class, but it's not too helpful to monks due to slot choice and action requirement.

What's with banning the beneficial bandolier? Finally some gear tailered to the gunslinger, and it's banned before we can use it!

What's with banning the beneficial bandolier? Finally some gear tailered to the gunslinger, and it's banned before we can use it!

I would guess because it screws with action economy.

Why is Warden of the Woods armor banned? More Druid hate ?

Why is Warden of the Woods armor banned? More Druid hate ?

Not at all. Druids are my second favorite class. I dont know why you would leap to the assumption I hate them. Most, if not all, new specific named armor, shields, and weapons were restricted so we have something to add to Chronicle sheets in the future to try to make them more interesting.

Most, if not all, new specific named armor, shields, and weapons were restricted so we have something to add to Chronicle sheets in the future to try to make them more interesting.

I was not aware you were doing this with items as well.

Why is Warden of the Woods armor banned? More Druid hate ?

... This attitude gets old fast.

Seraphimpunk wrote:

Why is Warden of the Woods armor banned? More Druid hate ?

Not at all. Druids are my second favorite class. I dont know why you would leap to the assumption I hate them. Most, if not all, new specific named armor, shields, and weapons were restricted so we have something to add to Chronicle sheets in the future to try to make them more interesting.

Cool

Calmese cheapy, it's all good natured ribbing.
Per that vein, can I request ironwood breastplate ? Dragon hide full plate is nice, but most druids don't have heavy armor proficiency anymore.

...Why not just a dragonhide breastplate?

...Why not just a dragonhide breastplate?

Which I see quite a lot, btw

Jiggy wrote:

...Why not just a dragonhide breastplate?

Which I see quite a lot, btw

And although it's not Always Available, it costs 700gp, which makes it obtainable with 2PP.

Just for some variety. Not every Druid wants to wear a dead dragons skin.
I'm actually surprised they left that in, when they took out all the other skin armors

How come the Razmiran Priest PRC isn't legal? There doesn't seem to be anything particularly overpowered about it. I had been thinking of making a character with the Razmiran Priest Sorcerer Archetype, but not having the PRC to go along with it kind of bums me out.

How come the Razmiran Priest PRC isn't legal? There doesn't seem to be anything particularly overpowered about it. I had been thinking of making a character with the Razmiran Priest Sorcerer Archetype, but not having the PRC to go along with it kind of bums me out.

My guess would be that the PRC is based on conning your allies and running away of they notice the con. That doesn't fit too well with the Pathfinder Society fluff.