GeraintElberion |
Awesome story, not a fan of the middle east/africa like countries in Golarion but this story works very well. That guy Faris is totally believable, I've met those self important d-bags who thing everything is owed to them. I really hope Isra kills him.
I feel quite differently, I couldn't care less about these characters.
Faris might be self-important but Isra is a cold-blooded, murdering psychopath.
He kills other people for fun.
Faris is pretty unpleasant but he isn't in Isra's league.
The writing is neat, taut and controlled but this story lacks soul. Vaguely liking the nephew he occasionally visits just makes Izra even more warped.
I'm not saying I want wall-to-wall paladins, just characters who are not utterly repelent.
Cpt_kirstov |
Faris might be self-important but Isra is a cold-blooded, murdering psychopath.He kills other people for fun.
So you're reserving that trait for 90% of PCs?
Faris is pretty unpleasant but he isn't in Isra's league.The writing is neat, taut and controlled but this story lacks soul. Vaguely liking the nephew he occasionally visits just makes Izra even more warped.
I'm not saying I want wall-to-wall paladins, just characters who are not utterly repelent.
I see this much more as a this could have been Blackjack/zorro type charater if they had less self control (then again blackjack doesn't mind killing, but doesn't do it for money, either, just because what he thinks is right doesn't fit the government's)
Basicly, I see him as a good number of PCs, that instead of going into the outback to fight monsters, stayed in the city and got bored.
Steven Savile |
Interesting comments guys -
Utterly repellent is pretty harsh on the poor chap, he does have a couple of redeeming qualities, I think. One certainly is his sense of family and protecting his sister in a way that makes sense to him. I actually think he has a pretty strong moral code - it's just a very different moral compass to you or me, you know?
The important thing for me is that there's an arc for Isra... the sad thing would be if he was the same man at the end as he is at the beginning... so with one part left to come, there's hopefully a twist or two to play out...
I like the idea of him being a 'bored' pc...
Anyway, again, it's great to see you guys talk and think about stuff as it goes along.
Itchy |
Faris might be self-important but Isra is a cold-blooded, murdering psychopath.
He kills other people for fun.
Call me crazy, but I don't think that Isra is all that different from many Americans, from a certain point of view. Granted, most people don't go around sticking knives into other people and stopping their hearts from beating, but they still do their best to kill each other every day.
Have you ever met someone who hates person A and talks about him behind his back, but is person A's best friend when he's around? That jerk is killing/destroying person A at every opportunity without him even knowing it. Have you ever met a gossip? It's the same thing.
Words have power. Our words can build up or destroy another person, and we have to choose each day how we use them. Do we give life or death with our words?
Steven Savile |
Without wanting to put words into Geriant's mouth, I think the issue he has is that as an assassin Isra kills without compunction or care for others, for money. He isn't doing it for a noble cause. He isn't tilting at windmills or chasing dragons down, he is quite literally doing it because he's good at it.
But remember, right at the start he's confessed he's tired of this life. Maybe it's the morality of it weighing on him, maybe it's just that there's no end of people in a town full of venal liars backstabbers and thieves there's no shortage of people who deserve to be visited by the nightwalker... and it'll never end... or the gunslinger idea that as a 'legend' there's going to come a time more and more where he's the guy with the target painted on his back and he's not suicidal...
I wouldn't want to make it political... Part of it could well be my roleplaying history, in that I *always* played the thief/assassin type character because I'm drawn to the darkness in them... but I'm hoping that by the end Geriant's opinion of Isra shifts slightly... he's certainly complicated... and if we get a second outing for him, we'll see much more of that.
Matthew Morris RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8 |
Steven Savile |
Thanks for the commentary Steven,
He reminds me of my character Magian in a 'dark mirror' kind of way.
Oh, and congrats on getting the image avatared (is that a word?)
My pleasure - it's one of the joys of a community like this. I know there's an author chat coming up next week so people will be able to chuck questions in general to a bunch of us, as well. Also, on facebook earlier a friend of mine (one of my old GMs actually) just discovered this story and will probably be around next week to abuse me and give away how naff my thieves always were and just how much trouble I wound up getting in.
The avatar's brilliant, isn't it? Got to love James and David and the crew for making it happen.
And obviously not liking a character like Isra is a perfectly fine and natural position to come at it - I mean, Patrick Bateman in American Psycho is an amoral sociopath, he's not empathic, he's cold and disturbed. He's hard to like. You can admire Ellis' skill in making such a monstrous man almost sympathetic, but not quite, because there's an element of what does that say about me? in there that's not comfortable.
The thing is it's still a relatively short piece, so Isra would need to return, I think, to develop more beyond what he is right now, but we'll talk more about it next week...
MartinB |
Also, on facebook earlier a friend of mine (one of my old GMs actually) just discovered this story and will probably be around next week to abuse me and give away how naff my thieves always were and just how much trouble I wound up getting in.
I'm around now... :)
I'll save the abuse until later. But, yes, you did play some relatively naff (yet entertaining) thieves. Getting excommunicated from the cult of the god of thieves and shadows was an entertaining highlight I seem to remember... Although I can't remember why!
Steven Savile |
I'll save the abuse until later. But, yes, you did play some relatively naff (yet entertaining) thieves. Getting excommunicated from the cult of the god of thieves and shadows was an entertaining highlight I seem to remember... Although I can't remember why!
Ha! I'd *almost* succeeded in forgetting that... yes, a thief so honest he was excommunicated... or erm, summink like that.
Itchy |
I wasn't trying to be political about it, I was more viewing this type of character, who does big things to hurt people, in light of the small things that we people do to hurt each other every day.
I think the summary thought behind my post is, "Treat people the way that you want to be treated." Or a more expanded thought in the same vein: Be nice. Don't deliberately hurt someone else, even if you don't like them. Treat people the way that THEY want to be treated.