Meet the Iconics: Alain

Friday, July 23, 2010

Deference and respect are the privileges of noble birth. Few know this better than the man who calls himself Alain, yet equally well does he know that such things are not always freely given where they are due. And in those cases, it's the burden of the nobly born to correct the error, and to take by force that which is their right.

Alain was born in Taldor with the proverbial silver spoon in his mouth, son of a wealthy but relatively minor noble house. As a boy, he showed remarkable affinity for both physical activities—especially the martial pursuits—and the ins and outs of courtly etiquette and intrigue. Though both traits made him the quite popular with the peerage—especially the young ladies of the court, necessitating more than one woman being shuffled off to a nunnery on a nine-month "vacation"—Alain's wealth and natural abilities also gave him an excessively healthy sense of self-importance, sometimes getting him into trouble that would have crippled a man of lower station. By the time Alain's father realized that the cane-scarred whipping boy might not be the most effective means of corralling his youngest son, Alain was already near grown, and thoroughly convinced of his own competence in all things.

Though Alain regularly dismissed such noble studies as literature and linguistics—"If the elves want to speak, let them learn a man's language"—he could never get enough of bards' tales of battle and bloodshed, often keeping the minstrels at his favorite taverns playing late into the night. Excel as he might at the joust or the ritualized combat of the nobility, he longed for the primal exultation of war, where his mastery over his fellow men would not just be avowed or lauded, but proved undeniably by the blood on his sword, as clear as the red-dripping talons of an eagle. He had the nobility of society. Now he wanted the nobility of nature.

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Unfortunately for Alain, any serious clash of arms lay far beyond the borders of his father's expansive holdings, and neither his father nor his two elder brothers showed the slightest desire to sustain a blood feud with another house. All three men attempted to turn Alain to knighthood, a socially safe and proper outlet for his bloodlust, yet the idea of serving as a squire for any length of time—of letting someone else give him orders!—was unthinkable to young Alain. At last, when he could stand it no longer, the young scion gathered what funds and personal affects he could carry and declared himself a sellsword, setting off for the "crimson poetry of the fray."

True warfare has little in common with heroic ballads, and few who see its raw and naked face come back unchanged. Certainly this was true for Alain. Yet where some men learn wisdom in the wrack, at last understanding the price of a life and the senseless ease with which it's taken, Alain learned something else. In the clash of spears and the screams of horses, the man who had been a trumped-up merchant's son became an elemental force of destruction, cutting down swaths of men who were never his enemies, but merely his opponents. Though he became rich in his own right off of the heavy purses his patrons heaped upon him, Alain cared only for what the rewards represented: that here was a man whose worth was proven, in fire and iron.

Today, Alain wanders as he wills, taking commissions when they suit his fancy and embarking on his own expeditions when they don't. Thanks to his prowess on the battlefield, warriors are often drawn to fight at his side, and to Alain's secret surprise he's developed quite a knack for leading them, issuing gruff and decisive commands. These companions are almost always cohorts rather than friends—though Alain does a fine job of managing his troops and urging them on to ever-greater feats, long experience has taught him that soldiers are a short-lived lot, and hence he sheds few tears when it's time to pay the butcher's bill.

As much as his life revolves around the battlefield, Alain still retains the social graces that made him so popular (for better or worse) in the courts of his upbringing. If greeting another warrior or potential client, he may introduce himself as simply Alain, comporting himself with a calculated aloofness designed to increase others' opinions of his abilities. Where an attractive lady is concerned, however, his rough edges immediately smooth, and many are the highborn women who've fallen prey to the "rogue knight" calling himself Alain Germande, Third Son of House Germande, Bearer of the Shielding Spear—and any other honorifics that strike his fancy.

In truth, whether leading soldiers in a suicidal charge or booting serving girls out of his bed in the morning, Alain cares little about the people around him. More than money, love, or lust, Alain cares about his reputation, and strives with every encounter to increase his own legend, whether as scoundrel or saint. Perhaps the only creature he truly values is his horse, Donahan. Exceedingly well trained, and having accompanied Alain for longer than any of his human compatriots, Donahan represents everything Alain looks for in a partner: absolute loyalty, absolute trust—and absolute obedience.

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James Jacobs wrote:
Jack Bauer = Lawful Good! FIGHT! :-P

I raise you a Laweful Evil Batman!


Joker is insane. He's really lawful good.


James Jacobs wrote:
Zurai wrote:
Yeah, that doesn't sound at all LN to me. Actually, I would peg that background as NE. Extremely self-centered, cares only for the rewards, intentionally avoids making friends, values obedience above all else, etc. LE or NE, for sure. There's nothing remotely redeeming in that personality profile.
Who says lawful neutral has to be remotely redeeming? Lawful neutral is actually my second favorite bad guy alignment!

Because, in order to be Neutral on the morality axis, you basically have to have some sort of redeeming feature. If all you're concerned about is yourself, your self image, and what kind of reward you can get for doing whatever, then you're not Neutral, because Neutral implies that you have struck a balance between Good and Evil, but all of the above are Evil traits. Evil people are only concerned about themselves and do not care for the consequences of their actions with regards to other people. Alain is a textbook example of how you can be evil without being a demon worshiping, murderous crazy cultist (along with Ebenezer Scrooge).

And for the record, LN is actually my favorite BBEG alignment precisely because they have redeeming features!

The misguided King who rules with an iron fist and is moving the world towards doomsday, but is doing it for what he thinks is the right reasons and with concern towards the betterment of his people? Totally LN.

The corrupted Inevitable who kills every mortal that returns to life magically such as by resurrection? LN.

The ancient dragon who demands an exorbitant toll from everyone who seeks to cross its mountains, and sells information on anything to anyone who asks, but never betrays its word? LN.

The self-centered narcissist King who only cares for himself, treats his underlings as cannon fodder, serially beds women and throws them out when he gets them pregnant, and seeks battle purely to kill things and glory in the destruction? Totally Evil (and probably not Lawful, either).


I wouldn't just call him Lawful Neutral. Rather, I'd say (in a throw back to the old AD&D days) he was Lawful Neutral with slight Neutral Evil tendencies. He's teetering on the edge of supreme selfishness and if he doesn't watch his step his soul is going to be a fine meal for the Four Horsemen of the Daemons.

As far as his worth in battle, even the most sound tactics can be destroyed by absolute force (whether via physical, magical, or divine in nature). That said, my party could thrash him and his men even if he WAS +3 CR above my party's CR average!

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Callous Jack wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
Hmm, It's nice to see the Iconic Jerk.
Didn't Valeros already cover this though? I was disappointed to see another dumb jock fighter although Alain seems a lot worse than him.

No way. Valeros is a bro.

Valeros is more of a Boisterous Bruiser. Fun guy to have around.

Alain is more of a....well...jerkass. Maybe edging into Niedermeyer territory.

Maybe once he's been around for a while we'll see what he's really like underneath it all.

Then again.

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Mikaze wrote:


Valeros is more of a Boisterous Bruiser. Fun guy to have around.

Alain is more of a....well...jerkass. Maybe edging into Niedermeyer territory.

Maybe once he's been around for a while we'll see what he's really like underneath it all.

Then again.

It's awesome to see someone citing tvTropes. Just awesome...!

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Dress it up however you want but the guys a douche. I honestly see even Seltyiel as a better man than this. At least he's just driven by power and revenge. I completely hate this guy ... which I guess means the one who penned it all up did a good job. He does stand out, after all, as the only iconic I loathe. Not a big fan of Valeros but thats my issue.

... actually ... it does seem the female iconics find a way of turning out better and cooler looking. Wonder why that is O_o


Mikaze wrote:

No way. Valeros is a bro.

Valeros is more of a Boisterous Bruiser. Fun guy to have around.

Alain is more of a....well...jerkass. Maybe edging into Niedermeyer territory.

Maybe once he's been around for a while we'll see what he's really like underneath it all.

Then again.

Does this mean that if tvtropes continues along its current path, they'll become the chroniclers of Ultimate Truth?


Mikaze wrote:

No way. Valeros is a bro.

Valeros is more of a Boisterous Bruiser. Fun guy to have around.

Alain is more of a....well...jerkass. Maybe edging into Niedermeyer territory.

Maybe once he's been around for a while we'll see what he's really like underneath it all.

Then again.

Hey, a fellow troper!

For the record: agreed on all counts. It beats the heck outta me why people think Valeros is the "dumb jock." Not only does he have Alain trounced in the Intelligence-score department, he's sufficiently gifted in that regard to qualify for Combat Expertise.

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Misery wrote:
... actually ... it does seem the female iconics find a way of turning out better and cooler looking. Wonder why that is O_o

Cause girls Rule! and boys drool! :D

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Dark_Mistress wrote:
Misery wrote:
... actually ... it does seem the female iconics find a way of turning out better and cooler looking. Wonder why that is O_o
Cause girls Rule! and boys drool! :D

At this point I have to believe that. I am left with no other option honestly T_T

I might have some hope for the alchemist though sometimes his hair looks stupid.

You know what, screw it. I'm not going to try and defend the guys. Girls win.

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Mikaze wrote:
Callous Jack wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
Hmm, It's nice to see the Iconic Jerk.
Didn't Valeros already cover this though? I was disappointed to see another dumb jock fighter although Alain seems a lot worse than him.

No way. Valeros is a bro.

Valeros is more of a Boisterous Bruiser. Fun guy to have around.

Alain is more of a....well...jerkass. Maybe edging into Niedermeyer territory.

Maybe once he's been around for a while we'll see what he's really like underneath it all.

Then again.

Whenever you link to TVTropes, don't forget the health warning!

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Matthew Morris wrote:

Hmm, It's nice to see the Iconic Jerk.

That and it makes my thoughts on Taldor more appropriate as well.

Now, hold on just one moment here! Not all of us Taldorans are jerks!

Quite a few? Yes. All? No. By the Judge, some of us are upstanding members of the community!

Alain? Ah, yes, I would concur, sir...I guess he is the "Iconic Jerk"!

He's from a smaller family, one lesser than the Talbots. He is known as quite the rabblerouser, actually. Not at all surprising to see he is out there, raising hell, looking for glory somewhere...


I hate all the new iconics so far.

the only female one that looks good is the witch.....
but then I doubt she will stand against
Staby the knifeeared elf, kyra( I think it was) the cleric, and the goddess Seoni who will kick your arse, ask you if a kiss will make it feel better, and then fry you afterward

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Proabably my favorite iconic so far. Awesome backstory!

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He is Han Solo before he met Princess Leia.


Nah..Han was a good guy..a little rough around the edges granted but still a good guy. I can see Valeros being more like him than Alain.. if you really want a Star Wars analogy Alain is Anakin.

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DM Wellard wrote:
If you really want a Star Wars analogy Alain is Anakin.

Or Jango Fett.

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Frank James wrote:

I hate all the new iconics so far.

the only female one that looks good is the witch.....

Alahandra's presence says you so craaaaaazy.

....an Inquisitor is fine too....


Mikaze wrote:
Frank James wrote:

I hate all the new iconics so far.

the only female one that looks good is the witch.....

Alahandra's presence says you so craaaaaazy.

....an Inquisitor is fine too....

I hate her the most.

furthermore I put a price on her head....


Mikaze wrote:

Alahandra's presence says you so craaaaaazy.

....an Inquisitor is fine too....

Alahazra is awesome. She looks like everyone's idea of a beautiful but slightly creepy soothsayer, which is the point.

Imrijka? NG with a Charisma score of 8 says she's a jerk with a heart of gold, but damned if she'll ever let you see more than a very brief glint.

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What a dick.
That's awesome.

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Thraxus wrote:
Amael wrote:
I don't think he's a tool or a jock really, he's really a mercenary, so he looks out for himself and other peoples needs or feeling don't really register to him. He's not a great person to know, but to me he's more interesting that way. I'm just glad he's not the "tough, brooding, anti-hero with a heart of gold". Character variety is good; he sounds like a lot of medieval/ancient world heroes to me, especially the ancient worlds definition of "hero".
Alain is a mercenary (a freelance to be exact), but he is also a tool. He is more interested in money and reputation. He strikes me as the kind of guy that is willing to sacrifice his men to accomplish his mission. He has the charisma to sway men into following him, but he has no problem throwing those men to the meat grinder if he needs to. That does not mean he won't be there beside them, only that he puts the job before those he fights beside (lawful neutral).

Tell me your problem and I'm ready to send wave after wave of young men at it.

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lastknightleft wrote:
Tell me your problem and I'm ready to send wave after wave of young men at it.

Alain as Zapp Brannigan. Frightening... and yet somehow starting to sound right to me.

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Marks the date.
I agree with Zurai. NE.


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He didn't rape any of the women he impregnated. As far as I can tell, he didn't tell them lies about marriage. He didn't force his cohorts to pick up swords and die. So both groups of people need to take rresponsibility for their own actions. I don't think he's evil. What he is is a force of personality who is a true blue believer in the chivalric code and lacking the insight to realize the differences between ideals and the messiness of reality. For this reason, I think he's lawful neutral with wisdom as a dump stat.


Going by Master of the Fallen Fortress, he is indeed lawful neutral, but his dump stat is Intelligence.

And he's still a jerk. Then again, he's Order of the Cockatrice, and therefore a self-absorbed twit by definition. As others have pointed out, he's Zapp Brannigan with a higher Charisma.


Kvantum wrote:
lastknightleft wrote:
Tell me your problem and I'm ready to send wave after wave of young men at it.
Alain as Zapp Brannigan. Frightening... and yet somehow starting to sound right to me.

They call him the Velour Cockatrice riding his brave charger, Felicity, sending in wave after wave of his men to overwhelm the Chelexian Kill-Golems until they reached their preset kill-limit, because when Alain's in charge, EVERY mission is a suicide mission. Its Alain's Law.


LilithsThrall wrote:
He didn't rape any of the women he impregnated. He didn't force his cohorts to pick up swords and die.

Not required in order to be Evil.

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As far as I can tell, he didn't tell them lies about marriage.

Not even an Evil act in the first place. Chaotic, yeah, but lying isn't Evil.

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What he is is a force of personality who is a true blue believer in the chivalric code and lacking the insight to realize the differences between ideals and the messiness of reality. For this reason, I think he's lawful neutral with wisdom as a dump stat.

How on Earth you can possibly state that he actually believes in the chivalric code is absolutely beyond me. His personality and backstory is pretty much 100% opposite of chivalric.

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This is interesting.

Alain strikes me as an 'old school' Noble, with viewpoints that (I hope!) are alien to most of us.
My take on Alain.

Spoiler:

He is a child of privilege, having never been beat (the "cane scarred whipping boy" wasn't Alain) or understood the consequences of his actions. His indiscressions (nine month vacations) were always covered up. He initially had a misunderstanding of war (bard ballads, ritualized duels/jousts) and a belief that blood equalled right. On some level he doesn't believe it, believing it should be proved, not assumed.

His development on the battlefield is that of the (80's) Wolverine. He gets lost in the blood lust. The smell of oil and steel, sweat and blood. While most real soldiers understand the horrors of war, he doesn't. In part because of upbringing, and in part likely because of his wealth and privelege. Unlike Logan, who fought against that Berserker rage, Alain doesn't fall into rage, but he enjoys the rush. Likely with a potion of cure wounds handy.

Taldor, Echoes of Glory wrote:

It’s not uncommon to see a crowd of filthy peasants chained together at the neck, standing on a dock in Oppara waiting for the next Zimar ship to arrive and put them to work...

In the countryside, things are little better for Taldor’s poor. Most of them live as serfs, farmers, or craftsmen who are nothing more than slaves to their lords or prefecture governors.

He is used to using his 'lessers' up. It's what they are there for after all. Sending a squad of conscripted men into a hoard of hobgoblins to buy time for the flanks to close isn't right but it is a valid tactic. He doesn't do it for his (direct) pleasure, but to fufill the contract. The same thing goes for his wenching. It is the right of nobility to use the underclasses, and anyone who falls for him is the underclass.

He does 'care' about his troops, without them, he'd not advance. But they are replacable. He doesn't spend them recklessly (evil) or put their survival ahead of his own (good). The same goes for his other actions. Lawful Neutral fits.


Matthew Morris wrote:

This is interesting.

Alain strikes me as an 'old school' Noble, with viewpoints that (I hope!) are alien to most of us.
My take on Alain.
** spoiler omitted **...

Unfortunately, in Pathfinder, morality isn't relative. It's absolute. It doesn't matter that his entire country considers it his right to use "lessers" for his own ends with no concern for anything but his own advancement. It's still evil.

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Zurai wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:

This is interesting.

Alain strikes me as an 'old school' Noble, with viewpoints that (I hope!) are alien to most of us.
My take on Alain.
** spoiler omitted **...

Unfortunately, in Pathfinder, morality isn't relative. It's absolute. It doesn't matter that his entire country considers it his right to use "lessers" for his own ends with no concern for anything but his own advancement. It's still evil.

Except that a) Taldor isn't LE and b) adventurers breaking and entering and slaughtering kobolds aren't 'evil'.

I think Alain isn't a nice guy, but he isn't 'evil'. Again, I'm writing this from the view of reading David Drake's 'Hammer's Slammers' books. Colonel Hammer and the main characters aren't 'good' but they (with the exception of Joachim) aren't 'evil'. Especially reading 'Hangman' or 'But Loyal to His Own.'


Matthew Morris wrote:

This is interesting.

Alain strikes me as an 'old school' Noble, with viewpoints that (I hope!) are alien to most of us.
My take on Alain.
** spoiler omitted **...

He does remind me in some ways of old school nobles, but upon looking at the LN alignment, it involves a respect for order and tradition. The thing that keeps me from thinking LN is that he pretty much went against what his family would wish of him and instead go his own way. It just doesn't seem like he really has anything but his own personal code to follow, but I would never call him evil based on what I read of him. Another thing it mentions is that more then money, love, or lust, Alain care most about his reputation whether as scoundrel or saint. Another thing that makes me think chaos is that he was trying to get his brothers into a sustained blood feud for the sake of Alain fulfilling his fantasy of having a long, bloody war. To me that sounds pretty unlawful as that could destabilize certain things, since it would be a petty and unjust war imo.

I have to say though, I like him, he's definitely an interesting character that could end up having a very cool history as he developes.


Matthew Morris wrote:
Zurai wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:

This is interesting.

Alain strikes me as an 'old school' Noble, with viewpoints that (I hope!) are alien to most of us.
My take on Alain.
** spoiler omitted **...

Unfortunately, in Pathfinder, morality isn't relative. It's absolute. It doesn't matter that his entire country considers it his right to use "lessers" for his own ends with no concern for anything but his own advancement. It's still evil.
Except that a) Taldor isn't LE and b) adventurers breaking and entering and slaughtering kobolds aren't 'evil'.

What do either of those have to do with the price of tea in China?


Zurai wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:

This is interesting.

Alain strikes me as an 'old school' Noble, with viewpoints that (I hope!) are alien to most of us.
My take on Alain.
** spoiler omitted **...

Unfortunately, in Pathfinder, morality isn't relative. It's absolute. It doesn't matter that his entire country considers it his right to use "lessers" for his own ends with no concern for anything but his own advancement. It's still evil.

It is absolute. It's also trinary, but you seem to be approaching the alignment question with no space for neutrality at all. Alignment in Pathfinder is fascinatingly non-Manichean, but all too often alignment debates seem to break down into a black/white positioning, even though the "morally grey" option is written right there in the book!

Nothing in Alain's writeup makes him evil, though there's certainly nothing good about him either. Lawful neutral (jerk) is pretty much spot-on.


Carpy DM wrote:
It is absolute. It's also trinary, but you seem to be approaching the alignment question with no space for neutrality at all.

Yes, because clearly giving three separate examples of what I consider LN means I'm completely pig-ignorant to the option! Do people even bother reading the thread before they start throwing out insulting accusations any more?

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Zurai wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
Zurai wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:

This is interesting.

Alain strikes me as an 'old school' Noble, with viewpoints that (I hope!) are alien to most of us.
My take on Alain.
** spoiler omitted **...

Unfortunately, in Pathfinder, morality isn't relative. It's absolute. It doesn't matter that his entire country considers it his right to use "lessers" for his own ends with no concern for anything but his own advancement. It's still evil.
Except that a) Taldor isn't LE and b) adventurers breaking and entering and slaughtering kobolds aren't 'evil'.
What do either of those have to do with the price of tea in China?

The traditions of Taldor as I cited are what he's following, and Taldor's not evil. If morality isn't relative, then Taldor should be evil, as should every adventurer who's broken into a kobold warren and put them to the sword. So they're both relative.

Neutral doesn't equal 'almost good' Is he an ass? Yes. Are there better ways of achieving his objectives? Yes. Do they occur to an INT 8 character? Maybe not.

Spoiler:
I've been trying to write a PoV of a Taldor noble who's family doesn't act like typical Taldoran nobility. The idea is he has this idealized version of Taldor, as he's not been out of the town into the barony. It's not perfect, but it's a lot better than expected. The shock would be that the farther he goes from the city, the worse the barony is, because it's the nature of the Taldor government that his family can't fix everything, there's not enough money. At one point, there is a visiting family in his family's home, and he can't reach a belt. He sticks his head out of his room, in his nightshirt, and catches a servant from the other house. She's small enough he can lift her up to get the belt. He tells her "You're needed in my bedchamber." Turns his back on her to judge the distance again, and turns back to see she's shed her clothes. He's horrified, but to her when a noble tells a maid she's 'needed in the bed chamber' and the noble's not dressed, she's 'needed' for one thing. (He's also horrifed that she's his little sister's age)

The only problem I run into is I can't get in the head of a 'good' character who takes the attitude of serfs being protected and herded for their own good. It's too alien to my conservative/libertarian belief system.


For some reason, I still don't see anything that points to Alain being "lawful" in any shape or form. I do agree with neutral in respect to the good vs evil axis.

Law vs Chaos:

Spoiler:
Law implies honor, trustworthiness, obedience to authority, and reliability. On the downside, lawfulness can include closed-mindedness, reactionary adherence to tradition, judgmentalness, and a lack of adaptability. Those who consciously promote lawfulness say that only lawful behavior creates a society in which people can depend on each other and make the right decisions in full confidence that others will act as they should.

Chaos implies freedom, adaptability, and flexibility. On the downside, chaos can include recklessness, resentment toward legitimate authority, arbitrary actions, and irresponsibility. Those who promote chaotic behavior say that only unfettered personal freedom allows people to express themselves fully and lets society benefit from the potential that its individuals have within them.

Someone who is neutral with respect to law and chaos has a normal respect for authority and feels neither a compulsion to obey nor a compulsion to rebel. They are honest but can be tempted into lying or deceiving others.


Amael wrote:
Kvantum wrote:
lastknightleft wrote:
Tell me your problem and I'm ready to send wave after wave of young men at it.
Alain as Zapp Brannigan. Frightening... and yet somehow starting to sound right to me.
They call him the Velour Cockatrice riding his brave charger, Felicity, sending in wave after wave of his men to overwhelm the Chelexian Kill-Golems until they reached their preset kill-limit, because when Alain's in charge, EVERY mission is a suicide mission. Its Alain's Law.

thanks guys, I hate this piece of filth even more now....

cuase that too is Branniigan/Alain's law.

now meet my golem here, his name is Bender.


Matthew Morris wrote:
The traditions of Taldor as I cited are what he's following, and Taldor's not evil.

I've read both the Campaign Setting article on Taldor and the Taldor Companion, and neither indicates that Alain's attitude is the prevalent one in the country. Thus, the country's alignment isn't really relevant. Especially since the country's alignment takes into account more than just the 1% of the population (according to the Taldor Companion, 99% of the population are "unbearded", ie, not nobles) that make the rules.


Steelfiredragon wrote:
Amael wrote:
Kvantum wrote:
lastknightleft wrote:
Tell me your problem and I'm ready to send wave after wave of young men at it.
Alain as Zapp Brannigan. Frightening... and yet somehow starting to sound right to me.
They call him the Velour Cockatrice riding his brave charger, Felicity, sending in wave after wave of his men to overwhelm the Chelexian Kill-Golems until they reached their preset kill-limit, because when Alain's in charge, EVERY mission is a suicide mission. Its Alain's Law.

thanks guys, I hate this piece of filth even more now....

cuase that too is Branniigan/Alain's law.

now meet my golem here, his name is Bender.

"Alains Law is like Alains love, hard and fast."

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To keep the idea going, shouldn't we stat out a Kiff to Alain's Zapp? Are there even Boggards in Taldor or do we need to go for a halfling? (Obviously a Fighter or Cavalier with some of the Taldan Squire feats from the Companion... or maybe even an exasperated Paladin.) Hmm. I think I like this idea. Alain would not be Paladin "Kiff"'s cohort, it would be the other way around, so would that violate his code?

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Amael wrote:
Steelfiredragon wrote:
Amael wrote:
Kvantum wrote:
lastknightleft wrote:
Tell me your problem and I'm ready to send wave after wave of young men at it.
Alain as Zapp Brannigan. Frightening... and yet somehow starting to sound right to me.
They call him the Velour Cockatrice riding his brave charger, Felicity, sending in wave after wave of his men to overwhelm the Chelexian Kill-Golems until they reached their preset kill-limit, because when Alain's in charge, EVERY mission is a suicide mission. Its Alain's Law.

thanks guys, I hate this piece of filth even more now....

cuase that too is Branniigan/Alain's law.

now meet my golem here, his name is Bender.

"Alains Law is like Alains love, hard and fast."

I think we know why Alain can't be nuetral. He has taken a hard stance against the neutral plot, they're always up to something


Zap was not LN anyway, he was CN.


lastknightleft wrote:
I think we know why Alain can't be nuetral. He has taken a hard stance against the neutral plot, they're always up to something

“What makes a good man go neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?”

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Another discussion about morals turns into a alignment debate. Who knew. :)

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See, this is why alignment is so important to the game. If we ever removed it, gamers would have so much less to talk about...


James Sutter wrote:
See, this is why alignment is so important to the game. If we ever removed it, gamers would have so much less to talk about...

My gods. What is your icon? It's hideous!


He's a carbuncle. And that gem in his forehead is useless once removed, so no-one should even bother trying to do so if they meet James at Gencon - it's not worth it.

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