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We are already really low on spells I expect. At least Hamish is. I say we take a round to heal a little (maybe reset lifelink to those lowest on HP?) and then go after Krune together. I don't think he is that strong, personally. Just really good at summoning allies to do his dirty work. The more rounds we give him to do that the more impossible it is to get to him.
We definitely need to stick together though, at least in the daylight. Hopefully the shadow demons won't attack us again due to that but... so far my hopes have consistently been dashed in this scenario. :P
A dimension anchor woulda been incredible in this fight, but maybe he will just run out of those kinda spells and be forced to stay put.
Don't forget to check your boons and consumables. Hamish has a few Ruby Phoenix feathers that give him some high level spells. I could burn up to two Cure Critical Wounds from it, depending on what we need.
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OOH! Thanks for the reminder, Hamish. I tend to forget about my boons.
I have two Radiant Ruby Feathers, which I can use to cast Restoration or Cure Critical Wounds (or others, but those are the best). I'll use one on Pai to get rid of her CON drain, and that'll help her attacks as well. Does someone else want the other one?
@GM Supervillain: Rules question, as I'm deciding whether or not to use this boon. Does the bonus from the boon quoted below apply to kinetic blasts?
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D'oh! Well, good thing Pai hasn't started casting yet. To be fair, she's not smart enough to realize it, so my forgetfulness is justified. ;p
If a retcon is allowed, I'll have her only hold open her handy haversack for everyone else, not grab anything from it. If not, she'll put the feather back next round.
I'll allow the boon to boost your Kinetic Blasts Pai. I believe a Blast can be treated as a "weapon-like" spell-like ability.
Could Pai S and Hamish post the wording of those phoenix feather boons please?
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Radiant Ruby Feathers: Your repair efforts were so successful that the phoenix guardians had extra magical energy left over, which they have gifed back to you in the form of a pair of feathers imbued with sparks of Hao Jin’s power. You can check a box that precedes this boon as a standard action to use one of the following spell-like abilities, gaining benefits based upon your level when you activate this boon. For any spell-like ability, use your character level
as your caster level.
Levels 1+: You can use a spell-like ability from the following list: burning hands, cure moderate wounds, or lesser restoration.
Levels 5+: Add cure serious wounds, fireball, and scorching ray to the list of spell-like abilities you can use.
Levels 9+: Add cure critical wounds, restoration, and wall of fire to the list of spell-like abilities you can use. If you use restoration to remove a permanent negative level, check both boxes.
It seems like that boon maaay actually be only a standard, regardless of the spell used.
I did wonder - some boons specify, others just say words to the effect of "you gain this SLA".
I'm happy for you to use the Restoration effects of the Ruby Feathers as a Standard action.
It looks like the holders of the boons have to use them - but they can target whomever they wish with their powers.
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I’m still here by the way, just waiting for confirmation that I am back on my feet and no longer currently dying!
I'll update gameplay later this evening, but yes, Hamish's cure spell gets you conscious again.
I should have a gameplay update post later this evening. Been a hectic few days here.
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It's still the 10th round, in which Pai used one feather on herself (standard action). Pai intends to use her last feather on Quiella in Round 11. Mykel requested that someone use a scroll of lesser restoration on him in this post.
No worries about forgetting. It's hard to keep track of things when a game slows down, and we've been in Round 10 for over 2 weeks. It looks like Mykel is the only one who hasn't stated their actions for this round. He did comment OOC a couple of hours after his turn was posted.
How realistic is it to hope we can finish this game before March?
Oh I think we should finish by March.
Krune is very difficult to pin down, he has the edge in mobility, but you've undone most of the harm he's caused. And Teric has Dimension Door which could help you.
I will try to pick up the pace on my end (and should get a gameplay update done later today).
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GM, you're usually very good with these specifics, but I wanted to understand how the light levels work.
Daylight creates bright light. Deeper Darkness reduces light levels by two. Does that mean it should be dim light in the area? I know Daylight has a special clause about negating overlapping areas, but I've never understood how that would work. Would that mean that both are cancelled?
Darkness rules are a nightmare to be fair.
Deeper Darkness specifically cancels Daylights and lower-level light spells. That's what I'm applying here. The language in the spell description is "counter or dispel", and I believe it will operate as an area dispel. It's less clear whether or not using Deeper Darkness as an area dispel still needs it to conform to "range: touch" but I've decided it would be appropriate (hence targeting the rune on the wall), and would dispel equal or lower level light spells within its area of effect.
This leaves you at the ambient light level, which is total darkness but not supernatural darkness. Hence darkvision works.
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I am not sure it is exactly a ‘counter or dispel’ kinda thing, more of a ‘nullify each other’ kind of thing. Which has the exact same effect. Deeper Darkness and Daylight, where the overlap, leave the light (as said) at the ambient light level.
There is a huge blog rules post about light and dark and spells and the such if we need to reference it.
What I want to know is the area of it. Can we move out of it and have daylight again? Otherwise most of us can’t see or do anything and thus, I think, are pretty much done. Even if we make some solid saves, we can’t soak that kinda AoO damage over and over, plus whatever the elementals do.
Heck, some of us may already drop from that last salvo.
I remember that blog, I'll go have a search for it.
I will say that the shadow demons can't spam shadow evocation indefinitely, but yes, it doesn't take too many failed saves for them to finish you.
Deeper Darkness has a radius of 60', same as Daylight. But I think the real question I've got to answer (and this will answer Teric's question too) is - should the dispel work as a "one and done", or should the Deeper Darkness suppress Daylight?
I'm leaning strongly towards "one and done" because "counter or dispel" is the wording in the Deeper Darkness and Daylight spell descriptions. Suppression of effects is typically called out.
But I will refer to the blog before giving a definite ruling.
ETA: weird that Daylight has specific wording about "temporary negation" but Deeper Darkness does not. See next post :)
Okay, I've reviewed the blog and it was super helpful. Thanks for the reminder Hamish.
What happens is this:
Firstly Deeper Darkness can only dispel the daylight if the caster touches the object enspelled with Daylight (Hamish's shield), which didn't happen.
Per the blog (points 5 and 6), Deeper Darkness and Daylight temporarily negate each other in the overlapping area. Both have a 60' radius. Deeper Darkness also temporarily negates the lower level Light spells in effect. The prevailing ambient conditions operate (total darkness).
Non-magical light sources will work within the area that Daylight negates Deeper Darkness. Magical light sources will not.
The two points of origin are Hamish's shield for Daylight, and the wall-mounted rune for Deeper Darkness.
Option 2: Leave. We activate our teleport rune tokens and zip back home. This probably means we lose some sort of reward, but alternatively if any or all of us die we will lose a lot more on recovery and resurrection. I am tempted to take this route as this does not currently seem very winnable with our lack of light. But I won't abandon y'all, unless y'all dead.
This is slightly more complicated.
Your rune tokens are already broken. You had to break them to teleport in to Krune's sanctum. Getting out is another matter. To spare you having to re-read the entire gameplay thread, I'll remind you that when some of you were flying around in the chamber where you met the Lashmistress, there was a bowl with various tokens on it next to the "doorway" in the wall.
Pai S, you can act this round. You have a feather token in hand, but had not had time to use it. If you can't see the target of a touch-range spell or SLA (eg. restoration) you'll have a 50% miss chance, but I'd allow someone who can see (Quiella) to guide you if adjacent, with the use of a Move action for the guide.
If you all want to have a discussion about what to do now, please try to use the Discussion thread :)
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We need some light or this is going to be bad. Does anyone have torches? Unfortunately, I made the decision a long time ago that Teric was going to be arrogantly reliant on magic. If he can get a bit of light, he's ready to drop a fireball on them.
If we can't get light, Teric can try to dispel the deeper darkness. I think he's got enough info based on what Hamish found.
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Pai S, you can act this round. You have a feather token in hand, but had not had time to use it. If you can't see the target of a touch-range spell or SLA (eg. restoration) you'll have a 50% miss chance, but I'd allow someone who can see (Quiella) to guide you if adjacent, with the use of a Move action for the guide.
Clarification: When Pai made her saves, I stated what she would do in this round. Since Quiella was still standing and indicated that she wanted the feather used, Pai would have done that and then moved as shown on the map. Do I still need to roll the 50% miss chance if Quiella guides Pai as a move action? She would only use the feather if she had physical contact with Quiella or could see her. No point in wasting it, after all.
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GM, what will Quiella's HP situation be after the feather restores her constitution?
I forgot about fire resistance on Turin, thanks for clarifying that in your damage post, GM. I suppose he is still (barely) alive then.
I think Quiella will use her standard action after guiding Pai in order to Channel Energy again.
GM, what will Quiella's HP situation be after the feather restores her constitution?
Your Max and Current hp would go up by 22 (level*2).
I think your correct max hp is 120 normally, boosted to 129 via the CON bonus from Overflow.
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I think your correct max hp is 120 normally, boosted to 129 via the CON bonus from Overflow.
The bonus from Overflow brings her Con score up to 26. Isn't that +8?
Ability Scores with up to 2 Burn:
Str 8, Dex 20`, Con 24*`, Int 10, Wis 12^, Cha 12
*Increased at levels 4, 8
`Belt of Physical Might +2
^Headband of Inspired Wisdom +2Ability Scores with at least 3 Burn:
With 3+ Burn, Elemental Overflow causes her stats to change to:
Str 8, Dex 22^`#, Con 26*^`#, Int 10, Wis 12^, Cha 12
*Increased at levels 4, 8
`Belt of Physical Might +2
^Headband of Inspired Wisdom +2
#Elemental Overflow +2
Yes, CON 26 is a +8 bonus. The change from +7 to +8 means 1 extra hp per hit die, and you have 9 hit dice. Hence 120 -> 129.
So, this scenario has an optional ‘hard mode’ and it ISN’T what we are doing? Holy crap!
Were our tactics THAT bad? I know we made some errors, but damn. It ain’t looking good.
I can confirm that this is not Hard Mode. In Hard Mode the gloves come off ;)
In all seriousness, Krune's Hard Mode load-out is more deadly.
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Posting here Hamish because there's a lot of text - you're making your GM work (which is only right, this is after all a tier 10-11 season finale).
There is a grey area. The Perception skill rules say "Most Perception checks are reactive, made in response to observable stimulus. Intentionally searching for stimulus is a move action."
The enemies who saw Hamish disappear could be allowed 'reactive' Perception checks at that point, in addition to using Move actions on their turn. (You don't lose all your senses when it isn't your turn).
The Stealth skill says "If people are observing you using any of their senses (but typically sight), you can’t use Stealth. Against most creatures, finding cover or concealment allows you to use Stealth. If your observers are momentarily distracted (such as by a Bluff check), you can attempt to use Stealth. While the others turn their attention from you, you can attempt a Stealth check if you can get to an unobserved place of some kind. This check, however, is made at a –10 penalty because you have to move fast." I don't think you'd need to take the -10 because you're gaining concealment from Invisibility, not dashing for cover. However you would need to create the diversion so that you're not being observed. This use of Bluff doesn't seem to cost an action.
The wind blast is an AoE, but it's a line effect. If you were to remain undetected, there would be a 50% chance that the azata gets the line you're in. (There are lightning bolts covering the 'top' line so it's going to take either the middle or bottom line).
If you remain undetected, the shadow demon possessing an azata uses Shadow Conjuration: Glitterdust in your general area instead of attempting Telekinesis on Quiella - you're the higher priority because you've got the Daylight emanation. Reasoning that you're unlikely to stand closeby, and wanting to ensure that the cast doesn't do nothing at all, it puts Pai Shecks at one end of the burst, and catches you in it. You'd get a DC18 Will save to disbelieve, then if you fail that a DC18 Will save to avoid Blindness; if you pass the disbelief save, there's a flat 20% chance that you still need to save against blindness and that your concealment is negated.
TL;DR - I didn't apply distance modifiers but I should have. You might successfully Stealth but must roll an opposed Bluff check. If you pass the opposed Bluff then I retcon the possessed azata to attempt shadow glitterdust, and make a 50% wind blast attack if glitterdust fails.
I hope that all makes sense - I certainly don't want to kill a PC because of a rules error. The odds are still very much against you but are non-zero.
Sorry Hamish :(
Teric has a chance of escape I think.