Council of Thieves (DM Ray)

Game Master Molech

'COUNCIL of THIEVES' *WIKI* on OBSIDIAN PORTAL



Welcome everyone to our 'Council of Thieves' PbP Discussion.

I really like to keep our Gameplay Thread all roleplay and in-game text, rather than questions, comments and metagame discussion.

If we can do our best to keep Gameplay in-character, and our out-of-character stuff here in Discussion, well, I just think Gameplay is so much more fun to read.

In that vein, let's keep all dice rolls under Spoiler Tags in Gameplay. Please. And Thanks!


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So, it's the afternoon before Thanksgiving and it could very likely be next Monday or Tuesday, 28-29 November before I get back here. Please excuse me -- very busy this holiday weekend!

I know you may not be done finishing your PC's Crunch at this time -- and there's no hurry on my end since, you know, it may be six days from this post before I get back.

If you just want to 'dot-and-delete' in Gameplay, or if you want to post an intro or description of your PC -- even roleplay with any other PCs in Gameplay -- go for it.

Or you can just continue our Discussion out-of-game here until we're all ready.


There are several NPC customers in Vizio's Tavern in addition to your PCs -- and they are active with their own dialogue and character. But I won't have time to post for them immediately (including a couple Nobles, some Dottari wardens, an influential merchant, and etc., etc.).

If you do post in Gameplay you may want to keep it dialogue and description at the PC table. If it's helpful, the tavern girl is named Janiven Key (and without describing her here, she's neither the dumb-blonde cliche D&D tavern girl hooker, nor a rude bi+ch; Janiven is more like a young waitress or bartender you'd meet in the 21st century at a decent bar & restaurant).


Male Medium Human Gestalt Brawler (Snakebite Striker)/Unchained Rogue 1 | HP 12/12 | AC 17, T 15, FF 12 | CMD 16 | F+4 R+7 W+0 | Init +6 | Perc +4 (+5 vs traps) | Speed 30ft | Active Conditions: None.

I'm going to assume there are zero-more posts on the old thread, to keep the daily checking simple.


howdy everybody


Male Medium Human Gestalt Brawler (Snakebite Striker)/Unchained Rogue 1 | HP 12/12 | AC 17, T 15, FF 12 | CMD 16 | F+4 R+7 W+0 | Init +6 | Perc +4 (+5 vs traps) | Speed 30ft | Active Conditions: None.

heyo


Male Human Rogue(Phantom Thief)/Inquisitor(Urban Infiltrator) 1

We should totally post on the old thread, just to mess with the peasantry, :P lol


Now now, no need to be unpeasant. ;-)


'Unpeasant'?

You little rat.


Male Medium Human Gestalt Brawler (Snakebite Striker)/Unchained Rogue 1 | HP 12/12 | AC 17, T 15, FF 12 | CMD 16 | F+4 R+7 W+0 | Init +6 | Perc +4 (+5 vs traps) | Speed 30ft | Active Conditions: None.

DM: Before I proceed, how far along were you imagining the "revenge plot" was? My thought was that my character had already met with Rezio and Talia a good amount (so, an established relationship). I think some others even had the idea that the specific plot might have been in the past. How much were you looking to weave it into the main AP plot?


The beginning. Vizio's Tavern is a good place where the two of you can meet the two of them and form the group.

I was going to let you all have your introductions among each other at Vizio's Tavern, wherein you try to think of a way to attack a Noble with impunity. That you can begin now.

You're all at a table in the common room of Vizio's Tavern, introducing yourselves and whispering some plans or ideas.


Male Human Rogue(Phantom Thief)/Inquisitor(Urban Infiltrator) 1

Busy busy weekend for me. Friday was our Thanksgiving, yesterday was mostly recovery(plus WWE Survivor Series: War Games), and today I streamed for 7 and 1/2 hours on Twitch.

I will catch up on gameplay later tonight(Mon).


I'm always impressed by how much work it takes to be involved in internet media.


I hope it's finally clearer why I had to railroad you away from your private room at Vizio's Tavern. Things like that are bound to happen from time to time. Keeps the importance of metagame Discussion obvious.

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Anyway -- you guys have plenty of NPC interactions you can choose to pursue if you want. You can continue to whisper amongst yourselves -- absolutely and of course.

Or you can just quietly observe. The NPCs can keep going with you watching and listening.

If there are any questions about the layout or if any NPCs are articulated poorly, you can ask here and I'll do my best. I just like to keep Gameplay for in-character stuff.

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I wasn't sure if Renzio wanted to be recognized or not (by NPC Nobles) so I did what I did -- this way it's a PC option one way or the other.


If the number of NPCs or NPC clusters in Vizio's Tavern is a little daunting, you guys can just quietly introduce yourselves to each other, too.

Or, if you kinda want to talk to one cluster of NPCs or another, but aren't sure about leaving the group, you can always whisper to a PC that you're thinking about going over to X to ask or say whatever.


Male Medium Human Gestalt Brawler (Snakebite Striker)/Unchained Rogue 1 | HP 12/12 | AC 17, T 15, FF 12 | CMD 16 | F+4 R+7 W+0 | Init +6 | Perc +4 (+5 vs traps) | Speed 30ft | Active Conditions: None.

Arrus is going to grouse generally about nobles in his corner of the table.


Male Human Rogue(Phantom Thief)/Inquisitor(Urban Infiltrator) 1

Ray, before I reply in game, could I make a few Society checks to see what I know/learn more about Lady Sascar Tilernos, Amaya, Tarvi, and Lord Lodros Mhartis? If so:

1d20 + 9 ⇒ (18) + 9 = 27 for Lady Sascar Tilernos.

1d20 + 9 ⇒ (7) + 9 = 16 for Amaya.

1d20 + 9 ⇒ (11) + 9 = 20 for Tarvi.

1d20 + 9 ⇒ (9) + 9 = 18 for Lord Lodros Mhartis.


I have put the link to our new Council of Thieves, Obsidian Portal Wiki!

The Front Page isn't likely to be a suseful though I think that's the page you go to if you're just looking it up without following the link.

But for our use, the WIKI is what will be most beneficial.

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In the Wiki, under 'Cheliax Noble Houses' -- under "House Arvanxi" -- you can find information on Duxotar, Lord Iltus Mhartis as well as his eldest son, Lord Lodros Mhartis. (House Mhartis is a small House beholden to House Arvanxi, thus, it's in the House Arvanxi page.) Here is a direct link.

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On to Lady Sascar Tilernos -- where your Skill check was higher -- she is detailed under Other Houses in Westcrown.

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Finally, in the Wiki under Parego Spera is info on people and places in the Parego Spera district of Westcrown. (Your checks weren't so good, here.) And under Westcrown are people and, um, 'things' in Westcrown bigger than just one District (such as the Harbormaster and Dottari).


Remember on Background Skills:

When you have a 'Specialized' Background Skill that overlaps with an Adventuring Skill that you are attempting, you get to roll Both checks.

So for example, if Talia Fireskin has the Background Skill: "Stealth in crowded, public urban areas" then, when she is trying to make a Stealth check to overhear Lord Lodros Mhartis is telling the Harbormaster without being noticed, she can roll Stealth as usual, plus her specialized Background Skill. (Or if it were the specialized Background Skill: "Perception in crowded, public urban areas" then she could roll two Perception checks, one with her Adventuring Skill bonus, and one with her Background Skill bonus.)

I bring this up as a reminder since Background Skills are new, and because it's very possible that Renzio Arvanxi has a specialized Background Skill dealing specifically with Nobles in Westcrown with which he could have an additional Skill Check roll with his specialized Background Skill. (But I haven't looked at y'all's PC Crunch in quite a while, so I don't know.)

Remember you get two Background Skill Ranks per Level. And especially since our campaign is new -- if you haven't really chosen your Background Skills yet because the idea of 'Unchained' Lore in Background Skills is a bit newer of a concept and you need to wait to see how they work out before you can make an informed decision -- no problem at all. The little table under 'Lore' in the Background Skills section gives a good idea.


Male Human Rogue(Phantom Thief)/Inquisitor(Urban Infiltrator) 1

Ray, quick clarification: Here you said we get three background skills per level, while in your above post you said we get two.

Renzio only has Perform: Act atm, though I just realized that maybe he could have some sort of specialized skill for Disguise?

It's too bad Pathfinder got rid of synergy bonuses, cuz those would be most welcome and appreciated here.


Oops, sorry, THREE Background Skill Ranks (standard is 2 but I forgot that since we're doing Gestalt I added one).

(I think in a game with jacked Ability Scores, Consolidated Skills, and a campaign & DM that's big into Roleplaying over Rollplaying, also using Synergies would be too much. They make total sense, certainly, in realism. But we can be great and get into heavy roleplaying without them.)

If you want to propose a specialized Background Skill for Disguise: Something-Really-Narrow-or-Specific, go for it!


Male Medium Human Gestalt Brawler (Snakebite Striker)/Unchained Rogue 1 | HP 12/12 | AC 17, T 15, FF 12 | CMD 16 | F+4 R+7 W+0 | Init +6 | Perc +4 (+5 vs traps) | Speed 30ft | Active Conditions: None.

oh, somehow I missed that. I only picked two background ranks for Arrus. I'll fix that soon, but perhaps I should wait a bit and find something relevant.


Male Human Rogue(Phantom Thief)/Inquisitor(Urban Infiltrator) 1

I'll definitely be taking Westcrown Nobility as one of Ren's background skills. However, I assume it would only apply to Lord Lodros(I'm guessing Amaya and Tarvi aren't nobles), so will roll for him alone. If tells me otherwise, I can roll for the ladies as well:

1d20 + 9 ⇒ (5) + 9 = 14

Which isn't better than my above 18, lol.

I'm thinking my other two background skills should be for Disguise and Investigate as those are my other two 'main' skills, despite Bluff being my highest, lol.


Male Medium Human Gestalt Brawler (Snakebite Striker)/Unchained Rogue 1 | HP 12/12 | AC 17, T 15, FF 12 | CMD 16 | F+4 R+7 W+0 | Init +6 | Perc +4 (+5 vs traps) | Speed 30ft | Active Conditions: None.

Ideas:

Sense Motive: criminals or thugs (maybe that's not narrow enough)
Investigate: council of thieves


Specialized Background Skills are pretty new to my game as well, so we're all likely to have a little hit-and-miss regarding their game balance. No biggie.

As far as "Investigate: Council of Thieves" goes, well, I think in any other Cheliax campaign it's perfectly good for a Background Skill according to the guidelines in PF Unchained. Um. But in This campaign it may be more akin to giving the PC a free Wish spell usable once per day starting at 1st Level.

But I dunno -- it could also be more like knowledge of "The Whispering Way" in the

'Carrion Crown' AP:
where at first level, if a PC gets above the DC 25 result for "What is 'The Whispering Way'" in the very first session of the campaign, he or she gets ALL the information (one or two paragraphs) of generic info on The Whispering Way for the WHOLE six-volume Adventure Path. And there's just no more except for that bit of Flavor introduced in the Adventure Background in vol 1.

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PS:
Does the Obsidian Portal link work well and, more importantly answer Renzio Arvanxi's Lore questions sufficiently based on his DC result? I hope.


Male Human Rogue(Phantom Thief)/Inquisitor(Urban Infiltrator) 1

OP link worked great, I've just had a busy weekend. My Grammy turned 99 years old yesterday!

I will probably post this evening, as there some other stuff goin on today, both related to Gram's bday, and not.

As for Investigate, I definitely do *not* want it for CoT, as I'm not lookin for full spoilers or super inside knowledge.

I was thinking of something like 'local informants' or 'friends in low/high places' maybe?


Male Medium Human Gestalt Brawler (Snakebite Striker)/Unchained Rogue 1 | HP 12/12 | AC 17, T 15, FF 12 | CMD 16 | F+4 R+7 W+0 | Init +6 | Perc +4 (+5 vs traps) | Speed 30ft | Active Conditions: None.

So per my suggestion of CoT, I didn't expect that to grant poke-through-plot. I imagined that at best it conveys better knowledge of rumors and hints. Not knowing how this AP is written maybe that's not realistic.

I can just go with the Whispering Way if that's more reasonable. The character is interested in societies or groups that would oppose nobles per his Conspiracy Hunter trait.


Male Medium Human Gestalt Brawler (Snakebite Striker)/Unchained Rogue 1 | HP 12/12 | AC 17, T 15, FF 12 | CMD 16 | F+4 R+7 W+0 | Init +6 | Perc +4 (+5 vs traps) | Speed 30ft | Active Conditions: None.

oh, scratch that, that example is literally from the carrion crown. I don't know how I misread that so badly.

Anyway, I'll figure out something for a specialized investigate.


I wasn't able to get here Monday -- Tuesday I'll post some more of those NPCs' actions in Vizio's Tavern.


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Sorry -- rough day at work and tonight my lady and I are quietly getting drunk and passing out in bed together.


I'm not sure if people can recognize who Renzio Arvanxi is. I'm thinking the bartender, Janiven Key, does since y'all are in Vizio's Tavern having attempted to get a private room.

But as for the Harbormaster and Lord Lodros -- as far as Baroness Delour -- as far as the Duxotar, Lord Iltus Mhartis, I'm not sure.

....So, if you want to make contact with, for example, Lady Sascar Tilernos before she departs, go for it. If not now, that's okay, it's a long campaign.


Male Human Rogue(Phantom Thief)/Inquisitor(Urban Infiltrator) 1

Oh, I don't expect any of them to recognize or know who Renzio is atm. My intent was to offer to pay for Lady Sascar's meal and say it was from Renzio Arvanxi.

I got caught up starting decorating for Christmas, and helping my bestie run a Twitch fundraiser to get some monies to take her cat to the vet.

I'll post tomorrow for sure.


Ray, we've been ad-libbing a potential ysoki sub-theme in Gameplay. I have no attachment to it...it can all go to pieces in the background, and I'll be fine...but if it catches your imagination, I'm happy to run with it too, in some way or another.


Male Human Rogue(Phantom Thief)/Inquisitor(Urban Infiltrator) 1

Oh! I knew there was another reason I was waiting to post: Who is the newcomer(young lady in her 20s)? Unless I missed something, I don't believe she was given a name.

Either way, I'll roll to see what Ren knows of her:

1d20 + 9 ⇒ (15) + 9 = 24 Society

1d20 + 9 ⇒ (7) + 9 = 16 Westcrown nobility.


Sometime Thursday I will put my little scribbles from on Lady Felina together from my 'notes' (if you can call them that) and post a bit about her.

You guys can discuss in-game your ideas while, through the door to the common room of Vizio's Tavern, you can overhear an occasional shout of the goings on there.


You can attempt the Gather Info Skill to get more details on Lady Felina, yes. I think roleplaying those attempts would be good, too. For example, someone could ask the barmaid, Janiven Key if Lady Felina comes to Vizio's Tavern; you could try to engage other minor nobles regarding the House Imvius scion, including Duchess Delour Aulamaxa, Duxotar Iltus Mhartis (who it looks like you hate), or Lord Lodros Mhartis. You will encounter other NPCs as well and, if any of them seem better or more appropriate options, you can gauge what they know or don't know about Felina Imvius. At the very least, you know that she spends time at the Temple of Asmodeus here in the Parego Spera district (in addition to the House Imvius estate in Parego Regicona).

In any case, I'm also going to continue the events occurring at Vizio's Tavern while you guys discuss Lady Felina.

Renzio has his ear to the door and is about to overhear....


Male Human Rogue(Phantom Thief)/Inquisitor(Urban Infiltrator) 1

I'm currently experiencing a weird problem with my keyboard. The letters yuhjnm aren't really responding. Obviously that makes posting to games difficult. I can use both my phone(which I'm using to make this) and an on-screen keyboard, but neither are super great.

I've messaged a friend, who can hopefully help. Will keep ya updated. Also, holidays will likely slow me down a bit too.


Male Medium Human Gestalt Brawler (Snakebite Striker)/Unchained Rogue 1 | HP 12/12 | AC 17, T 15, FF 12 | CMD 16 | F+4 R+7 W+0 | Init +6 | Perc +4 (+5 vs traps) | Speed 30ft | Active Conditions: None.
DM Ray wrote:
You can attempt the Gather Info Skill to get more details on Lady Felina, yes. I think roleplaying those attempts would be good, too.

This is what I figured. I just wanted to clarify any mechanics. Some treat it as the constant mechanic against any RP, some treat it as a less-common hand-wave exception against a routine using more specific diplomacy social checks in all instances of RP, etc etc.


DM Ray wrote:
You can attempt the Gather Info Skill to get more details on Lady Felina, yes. I think roleplaying those attempts would be good, too.

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Arrus Volso wrote:
This is what I figured. I just wanted to clarify any mechanics. Some treat it as the constant mechanic against any RP, some treat it as a less-common hand-wave exception against a routine using more specific diplomacy social checks in all instances of RP, etc etc.

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Hmm, I've never seen it the other way; that's interesting.

I think in this instance, do whatever feels right -- assuming Janiven Key is the NPC you're thinking of with whom to attempt the Gather Info (since her occupation seems to fit and, well, because she's the only NPC at present who has access to you as she's bringing your drinks), you can attempt with her. Or, if it works better for you, wait until you guys are ready to leave Vizio's Tavern and find a new NPC.


Male Medium Human Gestalt Brawler (Snakebite Striker)/Unchained Rogue 1 | HP 12/12 | AC 17, T 15, FF 12 | CMD 16 | F+4 R+7 W+0 | Init +6 | Perc +4 (+5 vs traps) | Speed 30ft | Active Conditions: None.

Oh right. I could just wait for her to return and try some checks.


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Happy Holidays.

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I'll be in Gameplay soon with Janiven Key's response to the Gather Info check -- and anything else I may have missed.

Shortly thereafter I'll post the next bit of commotion from the common room that you will overhear through the door.

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I hope all is well during the holiday season for everyone. If any of you don't have family or really close friends, think on this, here at The Boards:
Years ago on Paizo, when the Boards were still new and Pathfinder was arriving in our mailboxes for the first time -- all of us were looking at the rules alterations from 3.5 to Paizo-PF -- we all got a Holiday card with that monthly shipment from Paizo. .... I remember seeing a Thread that our collective gaming buddy, James Keegan (who was a regular on The Boards fifteen years ago) started. He pointed out that, that December, he hadn't received a card or gift from his parents, hadn't received a card or gift from friends or colleagues, hadn't even gotten into the holiday spirit at all. But Paizo, the gaming company he bought his books from, sent him a Holiday Card! Not family. Not friends. PAIZO! We all thought about it, and, for many of us, it was the same. Not much in the way of family -- but we had Paizo and The Boards. .... For us, we have Council of Thieves!


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Male Human Rogue(Phantom Thief)/Inquisitor(Urban Infiltrator) 1

Hey all, just checking in! I know Jan can be a crazy month for people, so I hope everybody is doin alright. Miss this game, but am patient for it's return.


Male Medium Human Gestalt Brawler (Snakebite Striker)/Unchained Rogue 1 | HP 12/12 | AC 17, T 15, FF 12 | CMD 16 | F+4 R+7 W+0 | Init +6 | Perc +4 (+5 vs traps) | Speed 30ft | Active Conditions: None.

Still here :) But yes, this January has been something else... it's not affecting me as a player at least.


I'm ready


Thursday, 26 January was the first day in quite a while I started thinking about this campaign again. And the past few days I've tried to get myself excited about jumping back in, all hyped up. .... This coming Sunday, 5 Feb, I have an important homegame session to DM (PCs entering Drow territory in the Underdark for the first time) and I've been hardly in the right frame of mind to do prep for that session. But I'm coming out and saying that *I will get back here* after this Sunday's homegame session. Hopefully Monday or Tuesday (6th or 7th) I'll post in Gameplay -- I'll send a PM to everyone in case there are those no longer looking at this particular Thread.

Next Gameplay Post: Janiven Key responds positively to Arrus Volso's diplomatic entreaty regarding Lady Felina Imvius.

Following Gameplay Post: Renzio Arvanxi hears something from the main-room of Vizio's Tavern.

.... Depending on how much or little the PCs react or roleplay, the Main Event of Vizio's Tavern will begin very soon after!


Cool! I'm still here. MonkeyGod knows I've been a bit busy/overwhelmed myself, but that's already starting to improve and I still hope to be an active player here.


Male Human Rogue(Phantom Thief)/Inquisitor(Urban Infiltrator) 1

I am of course still around!

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