I'm ok with a break.
Well I guess a break works. I just didn't want to hold up the game. Hope you all have a good week and we will see you at the end of the month.
Busy at the moment. Will put up a post sometime over the weekend if I'm awake enough.
Apologies.
I was close but didn't pass state exam. Have to wait 3 months and retest.
Sorry to hear that.
Sorry to hear that, Herk :( Does that mean you're not able to perform your job anymore or do you have a different job?
it means I have to retake the test in 3 months. I can fail it up to 2 more times before having to petition the state board to retake it. I am still working on getting my 4k hrs supervised that are required and that wont be done til june. SO I can still do my job thankfully, just have to retest in 3 months. SO nothing much changes yet. It will just cost me another 300 bucks to test again. I'm not stressing to much. The test is written to make you fail the first time through.
Just checking in. I'm here.
I'm also here, standing by whenever we're ready to go.
waiting on krokkin and brek. Ill text krokkin tonight
krokkin got delayed atleast 1 night on vaca cuz they caught covid and had to spend quarantine time. He will most likley be back tomorrow.
Next weekend, 11-12-13th I will be doing my final EMDR training and so most likely will post very little as the training is emotionally draining and runs all day for 3 days.
Just wanted to give a heads up.
I'm here.
Celebrating the Lunar New Year.
kk just waiting on Krokkin to check in then
Hey everyone I am back. Yeah that was an adventure. Had to quarantine for 3 days in Orlando Florida before I could fly home to the west coast. Got in about 1 am this morning. All good though. I would not change that trip for anything. Sorry to hear about the test herk, and yes I will try to remember to give you a heads up next time I have a layover in your area.
The Dominate effect earlier.
thanks for the note on the bard song. I have adjusted my attack block so it will be correct moving forward.
Well, it's not consistent. Just keep in mind when I'm activating my song. I'll usually say. If it's just my birdy singing, it's a +4. If it's both of us singing, it's a +5.
I'm not sure which way this goes. If I understand things right then when you have two spells that do the same thing, they don't cancel each other the second one merely supersedes the duration of the other with anything remaining active again when the spell "dies"
For example you cannot stack bear's endurance but if under the effects of it and then you have it recast on you it resets the duration.
False life and greater false life gives temp hp.. You can't refill them but if under the effects of 2 of them when one ends the other stays active.
So, I am torn. Does succubus dominate take over? I can't find anything specific for this instance.
Rule of Cool: Its freakin awesome to be dominated to avoid domination. So I will allow it but want to know what the official errata and rules say. Anyone know?
I would just do an opposing caster lvl check vs the dc of the wand. That means she would roll her 1d20+casterlvl (not hd) vs 10+the minimum caster lvl of the spell on the wand+ the minimum spell casting modifier (if we didn’t already have the dc)
I searched around, and can't find anything on this. There's an FAQ for multiple charms but that's 5e d&d, not pathfinder.
Domination seems a more powerful spell/effect than charm monster, our wand, which is technically a first level spell except that it affects any living creature with Charm Person instead of just humanoids.
The text of Dominate person:
You can control the actions of any humanoid creature through a telepathic link that you establish with the subject’s mind.
If you and the subject have a common language, you can generally force the subject to perform as you desire, within the limits of its abilities. If no common language exists, you can communicate only basic commands, such as “Come here,” “Go there,” “Fight,” and “Stand still.” You know what the subject is experiencing, but you do not receive direct sensory input from it, nor can it communicate with you telepathically.
Once you have given a dominated creature a command, it continues to attempt to carry out that command to the exclusion of all other activities except those necessary for day-to-day survival (such as sleeping, eating, and so forth). Because of this limited range of activity, a Sense Motive check against DC 15 (rather than DC 25) can determine that the subject’s behavior is being influenced by an enchantment effect (see the Sense Motive skill description).
Changing your orders or giving a dominated creature a new command is a move action. Subjects resist this control, and any subject forced to take actions against its nature receives a new saving throw with a +2 bonus.
Meanwhile, Charm person says this:
"This charm makes a humanoid creature regard you as its trusted friend and ally (treat the target’s attitude as friendly). If the creature is currently being threatened or attacked by you or your allies, however, it receives a +5 bonus on its saving throw.
The spell does not enable you to control the charmed person as if it were an automaton, but it perceives your words and actions in the most favorable way. You can try to give the subject orders, but you must win an opposed Charisma check to convince it to do anything it wouldn’t ordinarily do. (Retries are not allowed.) An affected creature never obeys suicidal or obviously harmful orders, but it might be convinced that something very dangerous is worth doing. Any act by you or your apparent allies that threatens the charmed person breaks the spell."
Put against eachother
Reading them both, Dominate per dominate person allows the succubus to give Krokkin any order she wants as she has near direct control of him, and he HAS to do it to the best of his ability, but 'if it is against his nature' he gets a second save with a +2 bonus.
Charm person makes him view Brek, as the charmer, as a trusted ally, and he perceives his actions in the most favorable way. Brek, however, explicitely has no control over Krokkin the way the dominate does. So it seems to me that Krokkin would then still attack, but would get the new saving throw with a +2 bonus from dominate as it's against his nature to attack a trusted ally. He probably would get one regardless of the Charm as he's attacking his tribe, which he'd normally never do. I think the oppose charisma check of convincing Krokkin to fight the succubus instead doesn't work here as she can mentally force Krokkin to do what she wants.
However, this might be a moot point for now, as Sorogar prepared a spell just for this...
Here's where that particular instances came about.
In this case I'm just attempting to force an additional roll.
A Wand isn't gong to win a sexy she-demon tbh.
but Yes Sorogar's spell does the trick.
I also noticed that you posted Sorogar having already cast the spell. First, we don't know if Krokkin has resisted the spell yet. He gets a Will save to completely negate it (unless I missed somewhere he already rolled and failed?).
I can also as an immediate action cast saving grace to give him a reroll. I'd hate to have you lock down your character because of that spell when we might not have to.
Pause then and play it from the point she dominates Krokkin.
I also noticed that you posted Sorogar having already cast the spell. First, we don't know if Krokkin has resisted the spell yet. He gets a Will save to completely negate it (unless I missed somewhere he already rolled and failed?).
Yeah, that is true. Let's say that if Krokkin fails both saves she acts as posted. If not she instead flies forward to attack.
I guess I dont roll well against dominate, haha.
seems like paizo was down for a while today.
Heads up I will be most likely not able to post much from 2/17 thru 2/21. I am attending a martial arts retreat.
Sorry for short notice... but I was just informed I have training next 4 days. it is 10 hrs a day so I will be exhausted when done and not likely to post. Please DMPC me if needed during this time. I will be posting again on tuesday.
But you are the GM for this game, aren't you, Herk? :') So... another break then?
lol. I didn't realize that I posted th e same DMPC post that id did in my other games. NIce catch and funny Sorogar.
Training for EMDR therapy is kicking my bottom. I will definitely be back tuesday though and raring to go.
Thanks for the patience
guess we are waiting for Krokkin on the 21st.
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cool I will see about getting something up tomorrow then. How was the martial retreat?
It was a lot of fun. The new form was amazing in its simplicity and high degree of difficulty at the same time. Also got to spar with people outside of my dojo which was also fun. Lots of things were going on there as well including the annual Fireworks demonstration and Rock-a-Billy. All in all it was a great time.
Can we just use the attack on the next round. I believe that I would still need to make a CMB to maintain the pin but if it succeeds I believe I would still be able to attack right?
with a one handed weapon yes if I remember right. so we can just use that for next round
thanks.
Ohime has a cold iron dagger you could use, Brek.
I'm at 4/20 durable bolts and am going to have to switch to my 45/45 adamantine bolts as I'm out of all others (the durable ones are scattered over the battlefield still lol), but I doubt they'll hurt her. I also only have 7 rounds of bardic song left, which means I have one more burst of music at +5 for 3 rounds after this, or 21 rounds of +4 left with lingering song. I may have to lower it down to +4 so I can draw it out a bit longer as this fight is going to come down to Krokkin and Sorogar.
We need to make you an item that works similar to the theorycraft grimoire, but for sorcerers, Brek!
I really should look into getting some physical spells....
I remember something about daggers as a foci...
Or buffs/debuffs? Haste and such? Those are always useful!
Hey guys I have had a nightmare last 6 days. Things are getting better but I apologize if you are waiting on me. I am not sure whos turn it is.
oops. I thought it was sorogar and jsut realized that it is the succubus turn and nalfeshnee. I'll get somehting up later today.
I just realized I was confusing myself on my rage counter so I re worded it and it is also now up to date.
Sorry folks. Am still held behind bars by RL.
Will get to things as fast as I can clear things.
double chicken saber quality bane monstrous humanoids
spiked heavy shield quality cunning
[url=https://www.aonprd.com/MagicStavesDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Staff%20of%20Belittling]Staff
Vest (2 identical)
[url] https://www.aonprd.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Channel-Thieving %20Belt]belt[/url]
[https://www.aonprd.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Deathwatch%20Eyes] eyewear [/url]
gloves[url]
[url=https://www.aonprd.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Earth%20Child%20Faceguard] faceguard
headband +2
[url+https://www.aonprd.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Trollbane%20Blanch]trollbane[/url]
Elixir
(5)gourd
(5)[ Mine
(3) dust
(2)bombs
(4) Stone
(5) scourge
ioun stone (normal)
[=urlhttps://www.aonprd.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Ioun%20Stone%20Incandescent%20Blue%20Sphere]flawed[/url]
cracked
(3 martial or exotic weapons your choice) – burning special ability
-legbreaker special ability
-negating special ability
(2 ranged weapons your pick) upto a +3 enhancement bonus your choice(s)
6000 gold worth of gems
500 platinum pieces
10 daggers
25 teeth from multi headed monster
Stinger from multi headed monster (has 2 doses of poison in it)
Armored coat +2
Agile breastplate +1
+3 dwarven warshield
1 (3lb)bag of alchemical silver
2 (5lb) chunks of mithril
Handy haversack
I just have to say...this was a hot mess. Here are my attempts to make sense of it. It took a long time. I hope you take the time to likewise go through here and answer the questions, GM.
Rod of Metamagic, Steam 1500gp/5500gp/12250gp 1 lb. (Lets you cast fire spells underwater 3/day as though using the steam spell feat.) [GM, you don't list what kind of rod it is, lesser, normal, or greater]
Rod of Metamagic, Thundering 9000gp/32500gp/73000gp 5 lbs. (Can deafen creatures as though using the thundering spell feat) [GM, you don't list what kind of rod it is, lesser, normal, or greater]
Staff of Belittling 20000gp 5 lbs. (Can cast: reduce person 1 charge, reduce animal 2 charges, shrink item 2 charges, mass reduce person 4 charges)
Mnemonic Vestment 5000gp 1 lb. (1/day Allows you to recover a spell slot from a written source as if you know that spell and to cast it without using the magic item)
Belt of Mighty Constitution 4000gp/16000gp/36000gp 1 lb. (Grants bonuses in increments of 2 to constitution) [GM, you don't say what kind of bonus the belt gives.]
Channel-Thieving Belt 2000gp/9000gp 2 lbs. (Heals the wearer 1pt/every 1d6 dice of a channel, even if in a channeled area for harming undead./Greater heals for half hp.) [Which version is it? Normal or Greater]
Coat of Pockets 2500gp 7 lbs. (Grants +5 sleight of hand to hide objects on body. Takes a standard action to retrieve)
Deathwatch Eyes 2000gp - (Constant Deathwatch spell)
"Gloves" [No idea what you had in mind here, GM]
Earth Child Faceguard 10000gp - (Gain Earth Child Style, if you odn'th ave defensive training racial trait, +2 bonus to AC against giants is reduced by 2. If have the Earth Child style feat already, you can enter the earth as a free action.)
Headband of Mental Prowess +2 10000gp 1 lb. (+2 to two ability scores) [GM, What two abilities of Charisma, Intelligence, or Wisdom?]
Headband of Deathless Devotion 6400gp 1 lb. (Grants +2 morale bonus on stabilization and saving throws against recurring saves. If a samurai, treat resove as 2 lvls higher.)
Shawl of Life-keeping 1000gp 1 lb. (1/day, can put 10hp into the shawl. If reduced to -1hp, the shawl heals you. HP is stored in the shawl only for 24hrs.)
Armbands of the Brawler 500gp 1 lb. (+1 competence on grapple checks)
Trollbane Blanch 200gp - (Apply as a full-round action. Deals 1 additional point of fire or acid on weapons. Lasts 1 minute.)
Elixir of Thundering Voice 250gp - (+10 intimidate for 1hr)
Gourd of Fire Burping (Quantity 5) 250gp - (Burps a 15-ft cone of fire for 2d6, Reflex 12 for half. Can be stored for an hour)
Levitating Land Mine (Quantity 5) 750gp 3 lbs. (Deals damage to those who step into the square. Denies dex, gives penalties to cmb. WillDC 14 negates)
Dust of Dryness (Quantity 3) 850gp - (Absorbs 100gallons of water and releases it if you break it, or does 5d6 to water elementals)
Smoke Bomb of Forgetfulness (Quantity 2) 900gp - (15ft radius of smoke, Will DC16 negates or creature in smoke forgets the previous 2 rounds.)
Burdenstone (Quantity 4) 1000gp - (If thrown at a person in armor, sticks for 2d6 rounds. Increases carrying load by 1 step. DC20str to remove the stone)
Scourge Vial (Quantity 5) 1200gp - (Distracts and makes a target flanked. Dazzled. Each round DC14 or sickened by smoke. Creatures with scent take -4 fort save. Lasts 5 rounds)
Pale Ruby Trillian (Normal) 5000gp - (+5 competence on stealth. Resonance: can fall 10 more feat without damage.)
Incandescent Blue Sphere (Flawed) Ioun Stone 7200gp - (+2 enhancement to wisdom and -2 on perception. Resonance: Blind Fight Feat)
Mulberry Pentacle (Cracked) Ioun Stone 400gp - (+1 competence to bluff/diplomacy. Resonance: +2 competence to Sense Motive)
Handy Haversack 2000gp 2 lbs. (You know what this does, or you should)
Daggers (Quanity 10) 2gp 1 lbs.
+1 Bane (Monstrous Humanoids) Double Chicken Sabre 8312gp 3 lbs. (+2 enhancement better than what is on it, +2d6 damage to monstrous humanoids)
+1 Conductive Spiked Heavy Steel Shield 4187gp 15 lbs. (+4 on crit confirmation if you have 5 knowledge ranks to identify the creature. +6 if you have 15 ranks.) [GM, you don't list what type of shield has the spikes, this is calculated with a heavy steel shield]
Choose 3 melee weapons with these enchantments to have in the pile:
Burning +2 [Weapon +1] 8000gp+normal weapon cost Weight Varies (Deals burning damage to objects. Can be burst.) [I assume you mean "flaming" weapon, GM?]
Legbreaker +2 [Weapon +1] 18000gp+normal weapon cost Weight Varies (reduces base speed by 10ft for 1d4 rounds and more on a crit)
Negating +2 [Weapon +1] 18000gp+normal weapon cost Weight Varies (Reduces DR by 5 for 1rnd)
+3 Light Crossbow
[One other with up to a +3 enhancement bonus]
+1 Agile breastplate 1550gp 25 lbs. (no penalty on some skills)
+2 Armored coat 4200gp 20 lbs.
+3 Dwarven Warshield 9200gp 8 lbs.
6000 gold worth of gems
500 platinum pieces
Multi-headed Planar Monster Teeth (Quanity 25) Price Unknown: Take 10 22 Appraise
Multi-headed Planar Monster Stinger (Doses of Poison 2) Price Unknown: Take 10 22 Appraise
Alchemical Silver 15gp 3 lbs. [GM, how many silver ammunition/armor/weapons would this forge?]
Chunks of Mithral 2500gp 5lb [GM, how many mithral ammunition/armor/weapons would this forge?]
sorry for the mess. I was tired and sick. I will try to answer some of the questions now and then come back to them when I get back in town.
All rods are normal.
belt with channeling benefit is the lower cost one.
Might con is +2
Heavy steel shield is what I intended
the gloves are to be gloves of dexterity +2...Does same thing as belt of dex but it fit the idea I had behind it better.
If I missed stuff let me know. Sorry for the mess but thanks OHIME for making it more clear
Thanks, Ohime, and hark for answering some of the questions. I think Ohime's questions on the value of the monster parts and how much special ammunition can be crafted. Also, there is a headband with +2 to two of wis, int and cha. Which stats does it increase?
I looked at Mithral; a batch of 20 mithral arrows would weigh half of a normal one of 20, so 1.5 lbs. The price of mithral ammunition is 500 g per lb normally, so 750 g for 20 arrows. 2500 g worth of mithal would be 66.6 arrows at show price. The same is true if you craft it yourself from the material. 5/1.5 = 3.33333, x 20 = 66.6 arrows.
A fitting numer, I guess, for having fought multiple enemies from the abyss and hell! (unless Herk would rule differently crafts).
For Alchemical silver, no idea. It is a coating applied over other items normally and ammunition is stated as 2 gp cost per 20. So... 7.5 batches of 20 arrows if you had that many?
That aside, lots of good items. Who wants what? We have among other things a +2 con belt, a +2 dex gloves (normally impossible to get), a helm that gives +2 ac vs giants, a +3 heavy shield (technically Sorogar and Krokkin but practially only Krokkin could use it), a monstrous humanoid bane melee martial weapon (I think only Krokkin can use it?), and an Ioun stone with +2 wisdom and blind fight as a bonus feat if slotted into a wayfinder.
Sorogar can only use one of the weapons (She would take a +1 negating warhammer) and potentially the con belt. However, she could also take part of the gold (5k out of the 11 k) and craft a better belt over the next five days (+2 to two physical stats. If making one for herself, she would pick str and con). Everything else she would pass on as she can't make good use of it. Unless someone objects, she would craft the belt.
If someone wants me to make a magical woundrous item or weapon/armor with the remaining gold, let me know? Crafting a wayfinder for the resosance bonus on the +2 wisdom Ioun stone also seems a good idea. That would only cost 250 g and give someone (Krokkin?) the blind fight feat.