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Lilybeth will try and scry on Svala Ice-rider every day after setting up camp. As Svala will probably resist (due to being around an undead infected site) chances we'll have contact are slim. After a few days*) Lilybeth will scry on Kuokei instead (which is way more likely to succeed as we have met Kuokei AND have one of her feathers.)
*) What is the average air speed velocity of a laden Snowowl?
*) What is the distance between the two locations as the snowowl flies?
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Two points I want to make:
1. So, the escalation wasn't due to the PbP, it was due to the saumen kar seeing you, hailing you, you immediately casting spells and so on, and apparently continuing to ravage the animals around you. He made one Sense Motive check when LifeLover drew their wand, and realized it wasn't hostile, but then rolled a nat 1 when Lilybeth dismissed the woolly rhino. You don't know how long you've been observed, but since you do know that saumen kar see themselves as guardians of the north, and you just downed two polar bear and "disintegrated" a woolly rhino, he probably feels you're not friends of nature.
2. The party is split on the bear issue, which makes it awkward. No one can dictate other PC's actions, but similarly no one can force another PC into a corner where their only hope is PvP to prevent such an action from occurring. Right now, both bears are still lying there as you left them, because there was no suggestion otherwise - the party advanced to the shrine, and then the saumen kar showed up. There was no real gap in time, I probably could have kept the same initiative order except I didn't want initiative to bias you into thinking this had to be violent.
You can discuss the bear issue after the current encounter - both bears are stable and unconscious. Currently you have a saumen kar who isn't sure of your motives other than what he's seen, and you outnumber him 7 to 1.
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Two points I want to make:
1. So, the escalation wasn't due to the PbP, it was due to the saumen kar seeing you, hailing you, you immediately casting spells and so on, and apparently continuing to ravage the animals around you. He made one Sense Motive check when LifeLover drew their wand, and realized it wasn't hostile, but then rolled a nat 1 when Lilybeth dismissed the woolly rhino. You don't know how long you've been observed, but since you do know that saumen kar see themselves as guardians of the north, and you just downed two polar bear and "disintegrated" a woolly rhino, he probably feels you're not friends of nature.
What I meant is that in a FaceToFace game, we could have potentially seen that the saumen kar didn't completely trust us yet (" the giant casually moves his axe from his shoulder into a two-handed grip.") and we might have acted differently.
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Loxx, I like your character sheet, especially the copy/paste lines on the second sheet. I threw together an attack calculator with the copy/paste setup on another character recently, now I'll never go back.
Thanks. The character sheet isn't my creation, but it checked all the boxes I was looking for, calculates but doesn't try to do too much and allows for the creation and application of buffs automatically.
The macro sheet was my addition. I wanted a way to just copy and paste dice rolls without much fuss. It works well enough in most cases.
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Lilybeth actually doesn't care that much about animals, it's just that killing local wildlife without consent of the local population seems like a bad idea. More so when we needed information from the locals. Killing the orcas was taboo and this giant almost attacked us for absorbing a summoned creature FFS. But as we've got the information and the giant's permission (sort of?) go ahead and kill the emaciated bears for their meager flesh and inkspoiled furs.
Lilybeth just wants to go and put some undead to rest, which will protect the living regardless the number of legs they have.
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Loxx doesn't believe that the locals own the wildlife and thus doesn't see it as necessary to seek permission. Animals exist to feed whoever hunts them. The fact that some people are territorial when it comes to hunting is something Loxx feels is a shortcoming of those people. Then again, Loxx is more than happy to share what he gets. As far as inkspoiled, he's not really concerned as selling them is not his first thought. They will still keep people warm, ink or no.
Loxx will make sure the bears are dead. Even if they cannot come back to properly dress them, they might feed other scavengers.
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With regards to the dangers the Flesh Eaters present:
I've got defenses against airborne poison (Life Bubble), but not against Contact or Injury poison.
I'll prepare a Communal Resist Energy (cold) for cold damage.
Nothing to help with paralysis though.
Lilybeth does have potential summons have no problem with most of these things.
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Are phantom steeds considered trained for combat, when it comes to rolling to Control Mount in Battle? If not, when do we need to start rolling ride checks (when in melee, when attacked, when in initiative)?
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Are phantom steeds considered trained for combat, when it comes to rolling to Control Mount in Battle? If not, when do we need to start rolling ride checks (when in melee, when attacked, when in initiative)?
A Phantom Steed is not a real creature, so it can't panic. It's more like an unseen servant that transports you. So no need to 'control mount in battle'
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It is still considered a mount and thus ride checks are needed at some point, even a ride check to stay in the saddle when you get hit. They are not combat trained and the DC to control in battle is 20. There is no basis to consider it an unseen servant based on the description of the spell. More specifically, it calls it out as a mount in the spell description, so things that apply to mounts (like ride checks) would apply. Unless there is some specific ruling on this, those are mounts and everyone should get off them before we fight (unless you're good at ride checks).
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It is still considered a mount and thus ride checks are needed at some point, even a ride check to stay in the saddle when you get hit. They are not combat trained and the DC to control in battle is 20. There is no basis to consider it an unseen servant based on the description of the spell. More specifically, it calls it out as a mount in the spell description, so things that apply to mounts (like ride checks) would apply. Unless there is some specific ruling on this, those are mounts and everyone should get off them before we fight (unless you're good at ride checks).
Yes, you need to make ride checks at certain points, for instance when fast dismounting, or staying in the saddle, or riding with your knees. They are however not real creatures (they don't even have saving throws) and can't be panicked (or hasted). You should see them as a one person hovercraft.
Just taking a regular move requires no ride check, even with an actual riding animal.
For the fighter types, it's probably best to ride forward 100 foot, try a fast dismount and then continue on foot (mainly because they all use two-handed weapons).
IMHO:
Table: Ride Skill DC’s
Task Ride DC
Guide with knees 5
Stay in saddle 5
Fight with a combat-trained mount NA
Cover 15
Soft fall 15
Leap 15
Spur mount 15
Control mount in battle NA
Fast mount or dismount 20
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They are however not real creatures (they don't even have saving throws) and can't be panicked (or hasted).
There is nothing in the description of the spell that gives them the ability to not be panicked. Where are you getting that from?
Edit: The ability or immunity to panicked condition (any fear I suppose) does not negate the need to control the mount during combat. I would require all my players to make ride checks if they chose to take them into battle.
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They are however not real creatures (they don't even have saving throws) and can't be panicked (or hasted).There is nothing in the description of the spell that gives them the ability to not be panicked. Where are you getting that from?
Edit: The ability or immunity to panicked condition (any fear I suppose) does not negate the need to control the mount during combat. I would require all my players to make ride checks if they chose to take them into battle.
It's quasi-real. It's a phantom creation (same as an unseen servant). It a magical construct that floats a few inches above the ground. It has AC and HP but no other physical stats.
Do you really think it would require more guidance than a standard riding dog?
Anyway, you are not the GM, so I'll let GM Lamplighter make the ruling.
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Do you really think it would require more guidance than a standard riding dog?
It would require the same guidance as a riding dog, which is also not trained in combat and also requires rides checks. Again the key being, it is a mount and there is a ride skill for a reason.
Edit: Riding Dogs are apparently trained in combat.
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Do you really think it would require more guidance than a standard riding dog?It would require the same guidance as a riding dog,
which is also not trained in combatand also requires rides checks. Again the key being, it is a mount and there is a ride skill for a reason.Edit: Riding Dogs are apparently trained in combat.
Yes, as I said before, you'll need ride checks at certain times (Guide with knees DC5, Stay in saddle DC5), but
Typical riding actions don’t require checks. You can saddle, mount, ride, and dismount from a mount without a problem.
Ugh, not sure how that happened. I did some cut-n-paste to take certain not-currently-visible creatures off the initiative order, maybe Sickly went with them.
Currently at funeral (well, outside waiting to get in) so will update game later this evening.
As for phantom steed:
You conjure a Large, quasi-real, horse-like creature (the exact coloration can be customized as you wish). It can be ridden only by you or by the one person for whom you specifically created the mount. A phantom steed has a black head and body, gray mane and tail, and smoke-colored, insubstantial hooves that make no sound. It has what seems to be a saddle, bit, and bridle. It does not fight, but animals shun it and refuse to attack it.
I interpret "horse-like" as being like a horse in any way not specifically called out by the spell. I interpret "it does not fight" as "it also does not carry its rider into combat". Feel free to ride it closer, but all normal riding checks apply as for a non-combat-trained horse. It will stop 30' from any undead creature and not move closer.
(As an aside, "...the exact coloration can be customized as you wish...", but "...a phantom steed has a black head and body, grey mane and tail, and smoke-colored, insubstantial hooves..." - which specific trumps which general in this interpretation?)
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The phantom steed hasn’t changed that much since 3.0 (except for its seed which is more limited now and customizable apperance). If you look at the more recent phantom chariot, it is more clear what “does not fight” means: it doesn’t attack, but its rider can. The horselike is appearance IMHO.
Even if it would be a real horse, the name “steed” implies combat trained IMHO.
Also, i don’t want ti bother the orhers with ride checjs so we’ll just retcon them away and I’ll dimension door the fighters to the undead instead. Boring but effective.
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Thank you GM Lamplighter for the interpretation. I encountered a similar question a while ago regarding the combat use of the mount spell.
Mount is a Conjuration (Summoning) = real horse
Phantom Steed is a Conjuration (Creation) = quasi-real (AKA fake)
Phanton Driver creates a real human?
As I've said earlier I've got no trouble if we get all the horses off the board and I'll just Dim Door the frontlines to the front line. I just got carried away by the idea of riding in like the cavalry.
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I picked 30' as an arbitrary range so that the horse issue wouldn't affect combat.
IMO, quasi-real does not equal fake: quasi
Since it's a quasi-real horse, you'd need a DC 25 handle animal check to make it go where a horse wouldn't usually - i.e. close to an undead creature. There is certainly no telepathic link implied whether it's a real horse or not, and something has to drive.
Everyone can of course retcon their actions, I didn't start processing the round because of this.
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@GM Lamplighter.
It's very common in PbPs to use block initiative. So within an initiative block of PCs actions are handled in order of posting, not the actual initiative order. (Ruleswise this is possible by having PCs delay for each other). It's so common in fact that I assumed this was the case in this game as well.
So in this case Sickly would get hasted.
Would you be willing to use block initiative?