@Max: You wouldn't happen to be in any more games that have abandon dwarves in them, would you? ;)
(I feel like I should be doing a public service announcement for dwarves.) :D
@Javell: Happy to help; Morthos needs to look out for Garik, after all ;-)
Well I guess. As long as he's equally as sparky and friendly as Tyrrol, then I guess I can live with that. ;)
I noticed you guys do a lot of combat rolls in spoilers. Is that what you prefer? Or is that just something you all do, just because?
It's no prob if that's what you want me to do. I'm just curious.
Hope you don't mind me throwing a post out there. This way it's now in my campaign tabs. :)
Heh. Don't worry - Morthos is not a nihilist; he might just be a bit crotchety ;-)
I do my rolls in spoilers partly as a 'DM's screen' type thing - although I don't really enforce no peeking. I mainly do it so all my rolls are in the thread instead of some outside repository. If other folks are following my lead it's certainly not because I told them to.
And a post is certainly not unwelcome, especially since Garik has every reason to be there, heh.
As for our other posts:
Thanks for bringing up the HP thing, Javell - I'd forgotten to mention that I'm using the Pathfinder Society method for handling HP (which is the average rounded up; i.e. 4 for d6 classes, 5 for d8, 6 for d10, and 7 for d12). Randomized HP has always bothered me, especially since I've been in just about every position imaginable with repeated 1s rolled for hit dice.
@Javell - Feel free to make the studded leather swap and switch in Invulnerable Rager - both are fine with me.
@Amadea - I agree that focusing on range is for the best. Melee is already pretty crowded, so I imagine if another body is needed to soak hits things are already going south.
Anyway, welcome again to the new guys. I'm gonna try to get a post written up in the next hour or so, and then I'll go over the new folk's sheets and check for any discrepancies.
Welcome all! Thanks for joining!
Javell, if you can still change the name of the alias, you might drop the "aka Javell" bit. You can make a slight change to the spelling of the first name (or last name), like "Garick" or "Garrik" or "Garikk", so that you're using a name that's still in-character and is recognized by the forum as unique. That's how I've seen it done before when someone's taken over a character.
Amadea, I'd prefer the ranged version, as well.
So right now, it looks like we've got (correct me if my tactics guess is off):
Bolkin, tactical fighter
Garik, barbarian damage dealer
Morthos, barbarian damage dealer
Drosk, armored healer
Amadea, ranged attack, secondary healer
Telperion, trapfinder, sneaky damage dealer, future utility & offensive caster
Raven, outspoken tag-along, future battlefield control
This could be fun.
Personally I don't mind the 'aka Javell' bit, and would prefer the name to remain spelled the same (I would assume you can throw in underscores or something to make it unique as well; however you want to play it I suppose is fine, though.
Anyway, character sheet thoughts:
@Morthos:
Unfortunately, and I'm sorry for not mentioning my HP policy sooner, that max HP roll is out, dropping you down to a still-respectable 25.
I assume Stoneplate is the Stoneplate from Adventurer's Armory (and I assume the updated campaign setting? That's technically not on the PRD, but I'm fine with it; just wanted to make sure.
Same caveat with the Barbarian of the Society trait, including being fine with it.
You list your greataxe as 'consecrated' in the equipment section; I'm not immediately familiar with a game effect related to consecrated weapons so if it's more than flavor, I'd be glad if you could point me in the right direction.
Apart from those, looks good - and I have to smile at a dwarf lugging around several pounds of liquor, all the better that it has a game effect thanks to his archetype. :)
Oh, speaking of rage rounds - I didn't see a total listed anywhere, so perhaps you can include a total rounds of rage per day in the statblock for ease-of-reference.
@Garik/Javell:
You've only listed one trait; Garik also had a trait called Exile that granted +2 to Initiative; I'm not sure if this is just Reactionary renamed due to his backstory or an actual trait in a book, but I thought I'd give you a heads-up. If you're switching it out that's fine - just wanted to double check.
There's also a few bits of loot that apparently didn't make its way into the original Garik's profile. Namely, a masterwork Dwarven Waraxe that was left as part of a stash of gifts for the PCs by their mentors - it was forged by Braggar so should have special significance to the character. Being one of the original characters, he also should receive 91.2 gp and a scale from Kassen's armor, which has the following property:
I believe that's all that Garik has maintained possession of other than what's on your sheet - there's a +1 dagger floating around that might be most useful in Garik's hands (since Bolkin has Asar's +1 longsword and Morthos has his own +1 weapon), but that should probably be taken up with the other players.
Everything else seems to be in order.
@Amadea
Obviously the sheet is a work in progress so I don't have much to say.
I do have some qualms about the fact there's a revolver listed in your gear; I'm assuming this was a one-handed ranged weapon for a shield/AC focused build, so it's likely not an issue if you're going with an archer. Either way I'm willing to work with you (and I'm sorry I didn't catch it / mention it sooner).
Oops. The revolver was from a different character. I copied his post in order to use the format and didn't delete his gear list. I haven't actually done Amadea's gear yet. I intend her to use a Longbow, not any kind of gun. Sorry about the confusion.
@Max: You wouldn't happen to be in any more games that have abandon dwarves in them, would you? ;)
Guilty as charged. (Hmmm... I hope that's not a bad reflection on me!)
@ZebulonXenos: You are correct regarding Stoneplate.
Consecrate is a channel focus from the 'Adventurer's Armoury'; basically, if someone channels into it, the wielder can use it for a one-off 'channel smite'. However, it also counts as a holy symbol, which is the main reason I took it - a devotee of Angradd, running around with a greataxe (Angradd's favored weapon), which also counts as a holy symbol of Angradd, appeals to me :-)
I will update Morthos' hp.
'Rage Rounds' are already listed under 'Rage' in class abilities (they are italicised). (In this case, 14/day.)
No, Exile is fine. I asked about where it was found and Luke linked me to it in the PRD. I never heard of it so that's why I asked about it. I'll get it back in there.
Personally I don't mind the 'aka Javell' bit, and would prefer the name to remain spelled the same...
Yeah, I do that mainly for this reason--so the spelling doesn't change. Taking over a pc and changing the name just seems like it makes it a different pc. This way, it still "feels" like the original pc. Of course, I'm just weird so that may have a lot to do with it too. :P
And as far as the mwk weapon and scale go; Cool. I'll get that implemented.
One more question Zeb: Seeing how we're back in town, would it be possible to purchase a Mwk. Backpack? (It's 50g)
Yeah, I do that mainly for this reason--so the spelling doesn't change. Taking over a pc and changing the name just seems like it makes it a different pc. This way, it still "feels" like the original pc. Of course, I'm just weird so that may have a lot to do with it too. :P
I kinda felt that way at first when I saw it done. To me, the most important thing would be that the pronunciation remain the same, but the new player changed it from Camilo (cah-MEE-lo, as I read it) to Camillo (which I read as cuh-mi-LO). Thing is, despite that cardinal sin, it worked. We all knew that behind the curtain it's a different player, but the character is fictional, and really it doesn't matter if he's Camilo or Camillo. What really mattered was that the character kept his relationships with the party and NPCs.
In my opinion, you could've changed a lot more with Garik and he'd have still been the same character. When I think of Garik, I think of a martial, melee-focused dwarf blacksmith who's like a brother to Drosk and son to Bragger, who's socially very reserved, due to shame of his disfigurement. Anything else - the feats, traits, even class (to an extent) - could've changed, and he'd still be Garik.
The "aka" bit feels like it's bringing the player behind the curtain to the fore. For me, it's like being so conscious of the actor in a show that it takes me out of the story. When the crook asks the hero, "What are you?" I want him to say, "I'm Batman," not "I'm Michael Keaton as Batman." But I'm sure I'll get past it. I wonder now how much I really rely on the name at the top of the post to recognize the actor? I suspect I rely more on the picture of the avatar. Anyway, thanks for taking over Garik and welcome to the game!
Okay, I totally get that. Well heck, now I'm torn. Well, obviously I've expressed my opinion on the matter, but I'd be cool in tweaking a letter here or there. If that would help then I'm all for it.
When I get a chance, I'll see what I can do. The boards aren't letting me in my account, so when they do, I'll check into it. I'll try your idea, Zeb. Just test it and see what I can come up with.
And now I'm gonna comment on another subject you mentioned about changing Garik "a lot more".
@Zeb: Intially I was thinking of switching out TWF with Power Attack. Would that be too much of a change? I don't want to rip this guy's identity too much from him. If he's the TWF guy, then I can roll with it. No biggie.
But if I can switch it, would it also be possible to switch his Con and Dex scores? (His dex would actually be a 15; 'cause I'd have 2 points left on a 20pb. Which, at 4th level, I would kick back up to a 16.) I know that's way weird; possibly to weird if you think about it.
Again, no biggie if this is too great of a change. I can easily roll with what's there, I promise. Just figured I'd ask seeing how Jaime mentioned it. :)
Thanks for the clarifications on Amadea and Morthos - all looks well there. I also gave Amadea's sheet a quick look-over and it seems to be all good.
Oh, before I forget Javell's question - you may certainly purchase a masterwork backpack (or any other reasonably cheap 'adventure-y' items) now that the group is in town; this goes for everybody, of course.
As for Garik, if the underscore thing doesn't work I'd go for adding an extra R to Randor (assuming there isn't already one; I'm foggy on the actual spelling). Whatever works, though, and I certainly see the point about "aka Javell" in the name being too meta.
I'm a bit torn on swapping out Garik's identity as a two-weapon character as well. It actually came up rather rarely (either focusing on bypassing damage-reduction, being disarmed, or just plain not getting a full-round attack). In-character he also made a fairly big deal of juggling several weapon types to best suit the situation (bypassing DR in most cases, given the nature of the last adventure).
Ultimately, you're the one playing the character and everything goes better when folks are playing what they want to play. I'm typically quite lenient if folks feel a particular choice isn't panning out, so as long as it stays true to what Raven said (dwarven melee fighter), I think it all works out in the end.
That includes your mentioned CON/DEX swap, if need be.
The short version here being yes, go ahead. :)
Zebulon, I believe I am pretty much done Amadea. You may want to look her over one more time to take note of any changes.
For my magic weapon, I took a +1 Composite bow (+2 Str), and my wondrous object was an Amulet of Natural Armour +1(2000 gp).
A question about traits; I would like to take a trait that gives Perception as a class skill, and there are several. However, most are campaign traits, and one is a Religion Trait belonging to Abadar. May I reflavour Eyes and Ears of the City into a Erestil religion trait called Eyes and Ears of the Forest? All other elements would be the same.
I decided to forgo using a template, though I was tempted to use the Divine Hunter. In the end though, most of the benefits of the template affect other range using characters in the party, of which we have few. That, and the costs are steep in terms of what you give up. While I would have like to be able to get Precise Shot starting off, I decided to stick with basic Paladin and maintain the versatility. She'll take Precise Shot at level 3 in all likelihood.
Appreciate your input, Zeb. So with that, I think I'll go ahead and stick with the current build. Thinking about it, it is who he is--plus, it's different. Not the same ol' cliche Barbarian I was thinking of changing him to. So I'm gonna see how it plays out. You don't see too many dual wielding Barbarians. :)
Still haven't had a chance to work on the name thing. Will let you know.
Okay. What do you think about this? Is this cool?
I like the underscore! You don't even notice it! Good call, Zeb!
@Amadea:
Reflavoring the trait is fine with me; it certainly makes sense for Erastil, after all.
Your sheet seems to be in order as well.
@Javell:
Good to see the name thing worked, and as long as you're OK with Garik mechanically, I'm glad. It also helps differentiate him a bit more from Morthos as well, heh.
@Telperion:
It's safe to assume that over this rest period Holgast gives Telperion a hand and helps him out in his usual way; the spellbook is recorded in the campaign page for posterity, and I'll reproduce it here for ease-of-use:
I believe part of Telperion's gift in the vault was also an (empty) spellbook for his use.
I am reading through the start of the campaign, and the early discussion as well, trying to get a feel for the campaign thus far, the town, and the group. It occurs to me that there are a few oversights in my back story. As Drosk works with Father Prasst in the church, he and I should know each other fairly well. I imagine that Amadea is known to be Father Prasst's assistant in taking care of the church, while Drosk assists him in religious matters. Amadea sweeps the floors and replaces the candles, and does whatever else she can to help. While her training to be a warrior has officially been a secret, Drosk has no doubt come upon Prasst and Amadea dueling with wooden swords more than a time or two. Whenever this has happened, Amadea has always pretended to be doing something else with the stick, such as sweeping without a broom head, or knocking dust off the rafters. She is perhaps naive enough to believe that her training is still a secret, though it is likely Drosk knows full well what she has been doing. If she finds out he knew and has been keeping her secret anyway, she'll be very grateful.
The other person who would be of interest to her is Raven, as they are something of an age. Amadea is likely jealous of Raven's natural beauty, and while Raven seems to do what she can to hide it, Amadea wants very badly to be thought of as pretty despite her orcish heritage. Depending on how Raven feels on it, it is possible that the two have never seen eye to eye, and have more or less avoided each other for the most part. Alternatively, both being outcasts, it is possible that they were very close friends. What do you think works best Raven?
I just want to say, this scene is perfect for the interactions I've come to love from this group, and I'm loving all the posts thus far. I'm very glad to see the new folks fitting right in!
I'm hoping to see a post from Drosk (so we'll have the full 'roll call' as it were), and then (assuming everyone's ready) I can move things along.
Depending on how Raven feels on it, it is possible that the two have never seen eye to eye, and have more or less avoided each other for the most part. Alternatively, both being outcasts, it is possible that they were very close friends. What do you think works best Raven?
I imagine the Vargidan family as being pretty insular. I don't imagine Raven really has friends or enemies in town. If Amadea has spent much time wandering around the woods outside of town, the two may have run into each other. Any conversation would probably have been awkward and short, but they may have a respect for one another for having that in common. Kind of like how a couple high schoolers might have a respect for each other because they listen to similar music, even though they don't hang out together in the same circle of friends.
As a novice adherent of Erastil, she likely spends a good deal of time in the woods around the town. It works to say they are familiar with each other, respect each other as outcasts for separate reasons, but have never had cause to get to know each other better.
Today has pretty much sucked all the energy out of me, but I fully intend to get things moving along tomorrow. Just wanted to give everyone the heads up.
A question - although one that, I imagine, will be fairly immaterial after my theatrics at having actually completed a whole adventure in a PbP are done.(A remarkable feat that I once more wish to commend you guys on!).
Are my posts (particularly, these last few) overly wordy? I find it easy to get carried away and I'm somewhat self-conscious about presenting information too densely, and also afraid that in setting the stage I start to veer into something resembling purple prose.
A tangentially related topic regarding pacing - oftentimes I feel that when I pause to give players a chance to respond, I've failed to give them enough to respond to. Obvious example, Cygar stopping at 'I have a proposal', rather than giving said proposal. This relates to the first question in that I often do this to keep posts somewhat smaller, quite probably because they've gotten wordy. (Like this one seems to be getting.)
I'm mainly asking because I've been feeling rather introspective lately, and as I've said too many times without following through, I'd like to get this game into the regular rhythm it deserves rather than the (sometimes more than) slightly stop-and-go it's been in the past.
I have no objection to the size of your posts; it does give us plenty to bounce off, after all. I just can't promise that mine will be the same size ;-)
I'm with Morthos. Your posts can be as long or short as they want. It's all good to me.
I'm also right there with Morthos in post size. If my post happen to turn out long, then whatever. But normally, it really doesn't. It just depends on what I have to say and how long it turns out being.
Looking at some of the Original Garik's post, I'm thinking to myself, "Man he sure writes a lot. I hope that's not expected of me." 'Cause more times than not, I don't write that much.
Keep rockin' Zeb! It's all good! :)
Personally I don't think DM posts can be too wordy. The more information and descriptive text the better!
Personally I don't think DM posts can be too wordy. The more information and descriptive text the better!
I tend to agree. I'm new to your group, but I am enjoying it so far.
Out of curiosity, are you aware that your avatar is an elf? I ask, since you seem to be playing a half-orc...? I just wondered whether the choice was deliberate :-)
I mentioned it in the recruitment thread, but you could easily have missed it. I could only find one half orc female picture, and she is orange. So I decided to look for someone with green hair and/or skin instead, and it was either this elf pic or the iconic gnome druid. I liked the elf better. Orcs are supposed to be related to elves anyway in most mythologies, so I figure an atractive orc might actually resemble an elf.
Thanks for the responses guys - I'll be sure to keep it up.
As for when things are reversed - i.e. when I'm a player - I often have much smaller posts as well. Generally you just have less ground to cover than the DM, heh. I believe Garik's original player had relatively large posts because he was unable to post on weekends (and maybe from home?), so he tried to make up by devoting more time when he could.
For what it's worth, I like Amadea's reasoning - if you ignore the overlarge pointy ears, it makes a good attractive half-orc.
He turned back to Cygar and gave him his best "tell-the-lady-what-she-wants-to-know" look.
He half grimaced, half smiled and let out a slight wheeze. Mortified to realize he must instead be giving a "tell-the-lady-I've-hurt-my-groin" look, he blushed violently and gazed straight down at his feet.
:D! Man, I just died on this!
It reminds me of This
So just to be sure, is everyone okay with Drosk taking the +1 shield and the +1 chainmail? If so, I'll forego his share of any other treasure in an effort to even things out.
Also, did we ever get the +1 shield fully identified? Zeb's notation on the Campaign Info page seems to hint that there might be something more to it.
Finally, would it be possible for Drosk to switch his Dwarven Racial Trait of Greed to the Alternate Dwarven Racial Trait of Craftsman from the APG? I think it would fit his character better.
Thanks!
I got no problem with it.
Bolkin's the only other one who might want the chainmail. It looks like a free hand fighter can wear all armors, but they lose bonuses in medium or heavy, so he still may not want it.
He turned back to Cygar and gave him his best "tell-the-lady-what-she-wants-to-know" look.
He half grimaced, half smiled and let out a slight wheeze. Mortified to realize he must instead be giving a "tell-the-lady-I've-hurt-my-groin" look, he blushed violently and gazed straight down at his feet.
:D! Man, I just died on this!
It reminds me of This
Ain't it grand when folks play their low CHA to the hilt?
As for the chainmail, I've pestered Bolkin's player to actually give his input, but I'm fairly certain Raven has his opinion spot on.
Switching out Greed for Craftsman is OK, too - certainly fits Drosk better.
I got some stuff to sell! Hold a moment...
Edit: He has a regular dwarven waraxe. (At least, I think it's regular. Not sure if that's suppose to be the mwk one or not.) Is that sellable? Or is there sentimental value to it?
I got 5 sacks that I'd like to get rid of as well. Don't really see a purpose in those.
Plus the shortbow. I'd like to sell that. And purchase a longbow instead.
It appears I have 91g. So that's enough to get one, if that's cool.
Garik had a regular waraxe before receiving the masterwork one, so yeah, that one's salable.
The rest is a-OK too.
Now, now, young padawan; you need sacks to carry the loot :-P
ha! Okay, okay. I'll keep 1. But that's it. :)
And I presume what I sell, is sold at half cost. If you've got it different, let me know.
I sold:
Dwarven Waraxe
Shortbow
Hempen rope
For 30g and 5s.
Which gives me, 121g and 7s.
Got rid of:
Torches x6
Bedroll
Sack x4
Unnecessary weight. Now, if someone wants any of this stuff, go ahead and take it.
Purchased:
Longbow and Silk rope for 85g
Okay. I'm good.
Drosk will sell his old scale mail and heavy steel shield. That should net him 35 gp.
Yeah, I do half-price for simplicities sake, so thumbs up everyone.
Raven left her spear at home and got a longspear and dagger. She'll take the sacks from Garik and toss them in the bag of holding.
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Do I see a +1 dagger on the campaign page that hasn't been claimed? It has a [???] next to it. If it isn't claimed, we all have a good claim to it. I like the fighters to have a good light-one-handed weapon for when they are grappled by something nasty.
The elemental gem of water should go to Raven, I think.
Yeah, I believe the +1 dagger is from the room with the fire pit where we fought the shadow.
Also, Drosk is not claiming any other items or money since he gained the +1 chainmail and the +1 heavy steel shield of bashing, so please feel free to redistribute the coinage appropriately.
The +1 dagger is - presently, I think - in Bolkin's hands, though I never got confirmation on this.
I've noted Drosk's request on the page, which would mean that the other four Chosen (including Garik) have an additional 22.8 gp to go on their sheets.
Really? Another 22g? That would then put me at 58g.
Any chance I can purchase a Masterwork Backpack then? It's 50g.