
Daidalos Icarum |

How? I finally get to my computer, and before I'm halfway done with my post, three people have posted before me.

Affyria Strex |

Happens to me all the time :)
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Daidalos Icarum |

Also, I do kind of find it amusing how the discussion and gameplay pages both hit 51 posts at more or less the same time. Not many campaigns where they both grow at the same rate.

Javell DeLeon |

Happens to me all the time :)
Ain't that the truth. I'm right there with y'all. When you're in the middle of a post and then you preview(at least I do) and the next thing you know you find a new post! I'm like: Ahhh!

Affyria Strex |

The way I see it is a red hot poker that does d6 fire damage would still be able to hurt with fire resist 5, it would just take a long time.
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GM Snowheart |

Ah, could be. The way the AP is written it's much more for flavor -- nobody takes any damage from it -- so if you'd rather go with that narratively for your character, I'm totally fine with it. :-)
Just trying to make clear Blackerly isn't going to let anyone off. Not everyone in Talingarde is LG.

GM Snowheart |

By the way, are y'all in Europe or the west coast? I was shocked how much activity there's been both of the last two nights.

Timo Zoci |

I'm on the east coast down in Florida

Inëlûkii |

California here.

Affyria Strex |

Belgium.
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Daidalos Icarum |

West coast, but during the school year I'm east coast.

Timo Zoci |

@Daidalos I believe vibrokineticist is from spheres of power

GM Snowheart |

It is. I'm not wild about introducing a lot of 3PP (I know, ironic given the AP is 3PP) but JAF0 and I talked about it over PM.

Inëlûkii |

the element is is detailed in the book 'Kineticists of Porphyra', which I bought just so I could play him in this game... Something completely new for me. I'm generally not fond of 3rd party material in general, but this seemed to suit him thematically to a tee. Snowheart was kind enough to allow me to try it out.

GM Snowheart |

Well, you'll have to give us a review after you've played him for a few levels. I'll be curious to hear what you think of the class after 'kicking the tires' a bit.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. He may not make it out of the cell. >:-)

GM Snowheart |

There were two house rules I wanted to share, but I can only remember one while I type this. (Damn...I'm totally going to get Alzheimer's when I'm 50.) Anyway...
For simplicity in this PbP forum, let's just say a natural 1 on an attack roll is always a Miss without worry about whether it's a critical fumble.
Hopefully I'll remember the other one.

Price |

Price wrote:Well, you'll have to give us a review after you've played him for a few levels. I'll be curious to hear what you think of the class after 'kicking the tires' a bit.Let's not get ahead of ourselves. He may not make it out of the cell. >:-)
Price is a LEO - Lawful Evil Optimist. :D

Javell DeLeon |

There were two house rules I wanted to share, but I can only remember one while I type this. (Damn...I'm totally going to get Alzheimer's when I'm 50.) Anyway...
For simplicity in this PbP forum, let's just say a natural 1 on an attack roll is always a Miss without worry about whether it's a critical fumble.
Hopefully I'll remember the other one.
Honestly that's the only way I've ever played. Well except for the Shackles game I recently joined about 6/8 months ago. I'm in that one with JAF0 and it's the first time I've ever played with critical fumbles. It's actually new to me.

Slayde77 |
GM Snowheart wrote:Honestly that's the only way I've ever played. Well except for the Shackles game I recently joined about 6/8 months ago. I'm in that one with JAF0 and it's the first time I've ever played with critical fumbles. It's actually new to me.For simplicity in this PbP forum, let's just say a natural 1 on an attack roll is always a Miss without worry about whether it's a critical fumble.
I think that's the actual rule. When I used to play at the tabletop we used the alternate rules with the critical fumble and critical hit decks

GM Snowheart |

Good good. Just making sure we're all on the same page. Most of my "house rules" are just "I know there are different ways of doing this; here's how I'm doing it", as opposed to some radical departure.

GM Snowheart |

Javell, good question. So, you earn 1 hero point per level. You do NOT have to spend it. You can save up to 3. Saving them allows you to (a) use them when you really need them and (b) the "cheat death" option costs 2 points.
I'm also going to think about other circumstances in which to award them. I've usually done it in my F2F games for something like exceptional RP or bringing some exceptionally good treats, but that doesn't really work in PbP.
Price... but of course. We're all lawful here. ;-) Serioisly, yes, absolutely.

Javell DeLeon |

Ohhhh, okay. I figured you spend it and you get another one next level. The accumulate if you don't spend them then, I see. Up to a max of 3, got it. Cool.
I feel like I may have used these once before in a pbp but man it was many moons ago and I can't recall which game it was if I did use them. So in a sense, this is pretty much new to me. :P

Javell DeLeon |

The base disable device/pick lock is DC 20 (subject to modifiers; without tools it is at least 30 after modifiers). Breaking the manacles is higher. I don't have it off the top of my head but i think it's a DC 28. Free advice: save the hero point ;-)
Gotcha. Thanks for the heads up. Yeah, no way he's breaking that. :P

Javell DeLeon |

You know, while Morthos has limitless confidence that him and this crew will be getting out of this place, *I* have no idea how we're going to get out of these manacles.
I'm at a total loss. :P
Even though none of us can make that 28 without using a hero point, how many times can you actually attempt to break the manacles? Is it just one and done? Can you take 20? I have no idea and am curious.

Daidalos Icarum |

I think we're going with the thieves tools currently stashed in the veil. Mind you, I'm still at a loss as to how that's going to get into the hands of someone with DD. I'm mostly helpless without somatic components- even prestidigitation, which is my fallback, is both V and S.

Price |

OK, so some possibilities. SnowHeart, please let us know if any of these might work and what we'd need to make it happen (DEX roll, Attack Roll, Skill checks, whatever).
1. Someone mentioned balling up the rag and tossing it from Morthos' hand to Price's.
2. Morthos could pull the tools off the rag and then toss the tools to Price. Since they are heavier than fabric that might be easier.
3. Since we can presumably move our arms and upper body further than our chained hands... Is it possible to pass the rag from M's hand to M's mouth then he and Price stretch toward each other and pass it mouth to mouth, and then I move it from mouth to hand?
Side Question: Are our clothing/rags made of wool. The reason I ask - Daze uses wool as a component, and it could be a useful spell.

Javell DeLeon |

Mind you, I'm still at a loss as to how that's going to get into the hands of someone with DD.
Yeah, me too. Therein lies my quandary.
OK, so some possibilities. SnowHeart, please let us know if any of these might work and what we'd need to make it happen (DEX roll, Attack Roll, Skill checks, whatever).
1. Someone mentioned balling up the rag and tossing it from Morthos' hand to Price's.
2. Morthos could pull the tools off the rag and then toss the tools to Price. Since they are heavier than fabric that might be easier.
3. Since we can presumably move our arms and upper body further than our chained hands... Is it possible to pass the rag from M's hand to M's mouth then he and Price stretch toward each other and pass it mouth to mouth, and then I move it from mouth to hand?
Good questions.
Question 3 would probably be our best bet though, if it's doable.
Because if Morthos has to throw something, that could be real bad with his super awesome 8 Dex. :P

GM Snowheart |

#1 is unlikely. Your hands are bound in manacles attached to a chain above your head and the veil is of a light weight. It would most likely just flutter to the floor.
#2 could work. Risky but possible. For rolls...need to hit a pretty small target. I'd say ranged touch but with some penalties for being chained and probably a "tiny" target (hands rather than any part of a medium body).
#3 -- on the "mouth to mouth"... maybe with a really good escape artist check?
On the somatic components, don't rule it out too quickly. Depending on the spell description, some somatic gestures are still possible even with your hands in their current arrangement.

Daidalos Icarum |

So, would mage hand be castable? It describes a motion of "pointing a finger," which should be possible.

Inëlûkii |

i hate to be a fly in the ointment, but mage hand can't move magical items... if the veil is like a robe of many items, it might be considered magical overall... and mage hand wouldn't work on it. Still worth trying though I guess. *Hides*

Javell DeLeon |

MAGE HAND! Man that is a good one!
@Price: I just saw Acid splash on your list of spells and was thinking that too.
Those are some good ideas though.
Edit: Well crud. Really? Only non-magical items? Man that stinks. Ah well. We still have the option of Acid Splash though. Let's see if that is a possibility.

Daidalos Icarum |

Yep. While mage hand can't affect magic, the tools (once unveiled) should be a valid target. And also, prestidigitation, while it has a shorter range, has no clause that keeps magic items (under 1 lb, of course) from being moved.

Javell DeLeon |

I've got to call it a night. I'm beat.
@Snowheart: If Mage hand is applicable then Morthos will remove the lock picks and throw them on the ground so D can work his magic.
I won't be able to post until tomorrow night and I don't want to hold things up.

Affyria Strex |

Demon-spawn tieflings also get shatter as a spell-like ability, although I recall Timo having swapped that for DR of some kind.
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Daidalos Icarum |

Wut? You don't want the guards watching? ;-) Updated.
Something like that. Was I able to (Mage) Hand off the tools?