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Game Master Jehova

Okay though, I think I'm caught back up now. Let's get some randomizin' goin' on.

OFFICIAL ROUND FOUR

Arian almost let Bruno charge. So close, yet so far. :)

Victory number 2 for Bruno! Just one more to lvl 4!

Hey! Congrats!

I'm just over here trying to tear Vironus's arm from the socket :)

Victory number 2 for Bruno! Just one more to lvl 4!

Congrats, buddy! I thought about going to kill Esmeralda first, but you just do so much friggin' damage with the lance that I couldn't even spare a couple rounds for it. At level 4 I'll challenge you to a rematch :-)

Anyone seen Vatale? It's been over 24 hours in pit 5 and he hasn't even rolled init. Not really sure what I should be doing.

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Victory number 2 for Bruno! Just one more to lvl 4!

Congrats, buddy! I thought about going to kill Esmeralda first, but you just do so much friggin' damage with the lance that I couldn't even spare a couple rounds for it. At level 4 I'll challenge you to a rematch :-)

Sounds good to me! Bruno has some big changes for 4th lvl, so should be fun.

And I haven't seen Vatale. Maybe it's time for Arbiter to initiate Arena Freeze.

Has all of the 24 hours been the weekend? Or has it been longer than that? I'd personally cut him some slack until Monday night.

Anybody up for a level 3 challenge fight? Bruno, how about a rematch? :-)

MotP posted the match at 1am on saturday so its been about 55 hours but all of that is weekend and there was a holiday so that can be affecting things. I have no problem giving him till tonight I just wasn't sure of the protocol.

imimrtl, in general I've been allowing weekends to be more dead-time, especially if I've put it up during the weekend (as long as this is okay with the opponent). It looks as though he's just posted, so I'd say just play from here.

A rematch could be exciting, but what if I loose? That would be sad.
Wasn't there someone else in the queue for a Bruno Match?

awesome I just saw he posted. Glad to see him as I really didn't want a forfeit win...those are so lame. Thanks for the clarification though as I wanted to know for myself as well.

So how are all these casters (Johnny and Elinora) boosting their caster level above their hit dice? It's the only way i can figure they're dealing the damage they are.

So how are all these casters (Johnny and Elinora) boosting their caster level above their hit dice? It's the only way i can figure they're dealing the damage they are.

I can't speak to Johnny (though I have an idea of how he does it), but I have a particular bloodline that helps me out with that. ;)

Dang. I was hoping there was a feat or cheap item i had missed.

Dang. I was hoping there was a feat or cheap item i had missed.

Oh, and its also my archtype too. Forgot to add that. But yeah, if you hear of some kind of ioun stone or something that does that, lemme know. Hehe.

There are Varisian Tatoo,Spell Specialization and a trait that increases casterlevel for one spell by 1.Haven't seen a bloodline that gives cl increases, except sanguine and that works only for necromancy.

There are Varisian Tatoo,Spell Specialization and a trait that increases casterlevel for one spell by 1.Haven't seen a bloodline that gives cl increases, except sanguine and that works only for necromancy.

yeah but my bloodline increases my damage. he was asking about that too

Yah, I guess I assumed there was soem caster level boosting in there in order to get that consistent damage output. I realize there is a bloodline or two to add static damage based on spell energy type.

Bah, my worst match yet. Going to retire my Gladiators for a while after Sleepy Petes fight is done.

One thing though Shigeharu do you have Dodge? Trying to figure out how you got your AC above 24.

10 base, 4 int, 2 dex, 4 shield, 4 armor, 1 deflection, 4 dodge (combat expertise and fighting defensively = 29 AC

Now, quid pro quo--how did you require 146 damage to be put down? ;-)

I understand your frustration, Sleetstorm. It's only out of a stupid level of stubbornness that I'm still here. Back to back Crit losses to Shigeharu as an otherwise undefeated character is demoralizing.

I only recently won my first with Bruno, and in the test arena he only ever lost to Rolg. Imagine my surprise when we make the transition and I go 0-4 or 0-5 or something like that out of the gate. I understand your frustration.

Quick question? Does spell storing armor allow the casting of close range spells like scorching ray as an immediate/swift action? I thought it was only touch range spells, not spells with ranged touch attacks. If it allows ranged then I am definitely picking it up for my other build I am working on lol.

This armor allows a spellcaster to store a single touch spell of up to 3rd level in it. Anytime a creature hits the wearer with a melee attack or melee touch attack, the armor can cast the spell on that creature as a swift action if the wearer desires. Once the spell has been cast from the armor, a spellcaster can cast any other targeted touch spell of up to 3rd level into it. The armor magically imparts to the wielder the name of the spell currently stored within it. A randomly rolled suit of spell storing armor has a 50% chance to have a spell stored in it already. Spell storing armor emits a strong aura of the evocation school, plus the aura of the stored spell.

This is the only reference I can find to restrictions on what spell can go in it. "Targetted touch spell" being the key words, I suppose.

And I think Scorching Ray qualifies, right? You have to choose a target and hit with a touch attack (specifically a ranged touch attack).

Though I'm all for this being debunked and Rolg's current opponent to have to find another tactic. >:(

Its the first line is the one that I was looking at where it says a single Touch spell. That is where my confusion lies. To me that means a spell with a range of touch. Just because something is a ranged touch attack does not mean it is a touch spell. Otherwise then a magus could spellstrike a scorching ray, no?

True. I'd love to hear some other thoughts on this. It certainly has a major bearing in the Rolg/Elinora fight.

If you recall, during the sound-off, i said i was waiting on an equipment ruling. This was it. I saw the spell storing armor on the pfsrd. It is talking about storing a touch spell. When you click the link for "touch" spell, it actually takes you to a section where it says a "touch" attack can be either melee or ranged.

Still, I wasn't sure, so I asked Jehova, and he confirmed that you can place either a ranged or a melee spell into it (otherwise I wouldn't have bought it).

He also confirmed that the part about it being a swift action was obviously an error, or it would be all but unusable. So it is an immediate action as well.

I can't speak to Magus issues, as I haven't read the wording on any of that stuff too carefully.

Sounds good and as long as Jehova clarified it that was all was needed. I can't say I agree with the ruling but that's bound to happen. Either way I love your build and this wasn't meant to attack it in any way. I mostly wanted to know for myself and how things like that will work.

Yeah, the distinction is that the armor says a "targeted touch spell" vs the magus' spellstrike which says a range of touch:

Spellstrike: At 2nd level, whenever a magus casts a spell with a range of “touch” from the magus spell list, he can deliver the spell through any weapon he is wielding as part of a melee attack. Instead of the free melee touch attack normally allowed to deliver the spell, a magus can make one free melee attack with his weapon (at his highest base attack bonus) as part of casting this spell

Of course, with the close range arcana you can actually use ranged touch attacks with spellstrike.

Actually I was just looking around at that and I realized it still shouldnt work by RAW although Arbiter is final say obviously. The spell storing item says a Targeted touch spell and ranged touch attacks don't have the Target descriptor in their spells like say Frigid Touch does which specifies Target: creature touched. So that seems to be what they meant by a targeted touch spell but as I said it is Arbiter's final call and he seems to have ruled on it.

Actually I was just looking around at that and I realized it still shouldnt work by RAW although Arbiter is final say obviously. The spell storing item says a Targeted touch spell and ranged touch attacks don't have the Target descriptor in their spells like say Frigid Touch does which specifies Target: creature touched. So that seems to be what they meant by a targeted touch spell but as I said it is Arbiter's final call and he seems to have ruled on it.

spell storing WEAPONS say the caster can store a single targeted spell. it doesn't say the word touch at all. this in fact wouldnt even need to be a melee/ranged touch. it could be something like charm person or whatever, as long as said thing targets a creature.

spell storing ARMOR just says the caster can "store a single touch spell". which again, doesn't really specify melee or ranged.

I'm not convinced that the way Arbiter has ruled seems against RAI, even if some wording may leave some ambiguity in the RAW.

I have no problem with the way it's being used by Elinora... though Rolg is 300% pissed off by it.

Right but the lines below that says Targeted touch spell If it was any touch spell why wouldn't they just say touch spell and leave the targeted part out? Either way it seems really badly worded. Again as I said, Arbiters ruling is final so I'm good. :-)

@ spell-storing armor discussion, I agree that the rules are poorly worded (or it wouldn't say swift action), but I also feel that the way it is meant to be used involves sticking touch spells in there (ranged, melee, whatever), and having it smack your enemy around with them.

@ tripping activating a magus's held touch attack, I have spent a pretty decent amount of time looking at this one, and it's one of the gnarlier rule questions (here's a fairly well-articulated phrasing of the questions involved and why it's not super clear-cut). The ruling I've made (that it does indeed discharge a held charge) is based on the magus's weapon being analogous to a hand holding a charge, as seems implied by the errata on the magus page here, though not spelled out explicitly anywhere.

So I guess (pending the win announcement from MotP) Shigeharu is the first to hit level 5 and the only remaining undefeated combatant.

AKA "the guy to beat" (if any of us can make it to 5)

EDIT: though that also makes him "the guy who has to wait for someone else to amke it there"

Sounds good about the spell storing, it just read so weird to me. Hope I didn't offend anyone. Wasn't meaning to.

So I guess (pending the win announcement from MotP) Shigeharu is the first to hit level 5 and the only remaining undefeated combatant.

AKA "the guy to beat" (if any of us can make it to 5)

EDIT: though that also makes him "the guy who has to wait for someone else to amke it there"

And so many decisions! Feats, equipment, I have no idea what to do. I'm glad there's no other level 5 guys yet, so no one has to wait for me to upgrade Shigeharu, cuz it'll be awhile.

In the meantime, did Rafiki win yet? Let's have a grapple battle. We both bust out some alchemical grease in the surprise round, then have a grapple fight!

You down? ;-)

Lol, he's very nearly there.

Just needs to tap Vironus and he'll have his win. Also, as for your comment Rolg about things being demoralising...what about me with my zero win count? :p

Really thinking I want to switch in my other character, but at the same time....I just want one win with Vi looool.

His boss must not be very happy.

Not in the slightest. :p

In the meantime, did Rafiki win yet? Let's have a grapple battle. We both bust out some alchemical grease in the surprise round, then have a grapple fight!

You down? ;-)

Lol. I'm gonna go with 'no'. Rafiki is a bit of a novelty build. He's got no real damage output. He was just (barely) able to control Vironus.

I'm not gonna keep rolling with him. Let me see what else i can come up with.

Hi,

I'm back and will put Liane officially in the fray tonight. Just need to finish equipment and spell selection.

Anyone up for a challenge?

I'll face you with Arian

Gnasher is ready for a challenge. Just waiting for his last match to be called.

I'll take it but I still have a fight going on.Should be over soon though.

I'll face you with Arian

Accepted, master of the pits, can you make it official.