The Harbingers

Game Master Nimon

Level 4 *flex*. It is a good thing we found ourselves in the mana wastes at a lower level... This would hurt so bad beyond level 9. I can't wait to lay some Arcane hurt on some critters ;)

EDIT: I was going to ask if anyone needed healing and I'd give them a healing potion, but then I remembered we are in the manawastes. This is going to be fun getting our HP back.

2 people per watch over 12 hours order with 3, four-hour time slots:

1. Xara, Xideus

2. Akor (mid-shift b/c of high perception), Belros

3. Jazismus, Herani

Anyways, just a suggestion since no one else has put the whole list together yet

We are stuck in a bit of a quandary. We have only 1 non-spell caster, thus, to recover spells, Belor may have to take the middle watch by himself. Otherwise someone is not getting 8 hours of rest.

Oh, I forgot about that. Honestly that is one part of the core I will scrap. As long as you get at least 4 hours you are good. I was a medic in the army on the border of Iran and I was able to do my job with sometimes less then that, so I think it is resonable for you to be able to do the same.

Oh, I forgot about that. Honestly that is one part of the core I will scrap. As long as you get at least 4 hours you are good. I was a medic in the army on the border of Iran and I was able to do my job with sometimes less then that, so I think it is resonable for you to be able to do the same.

Then the breakdown looks fine. The only thing of note is that we are weak combat wise on the morning shift. Might want to switch Xideus and Jazismus. That way we have the Bard/Summoner in the first shift, Inquisitor/Monk second, and Wizard/Magus third.

Or Inquisitor/Summoner first
Monk/Bard second
Wizard/Magus third

This might be best for balance of combat skills.

I think I agree with my being mid shift. If we keep this all the time, once we get out of the Wastes, I will be able to utilize abilities and spells to make me a better scout, which is key for the mid night shift due to less light.

Also, Akor isn't exactly going to be built for melee. He can do fine in it, just not excel at it, so having him with a fellow caster/range class member might not be the best idea.

The way one of my other PC groups handles loot is pretty simple and easy.

List out the full loot, then claim what you want. Next person does the same, and reposts the list, removing the items they took.

Any left over loot, we liquidate and either use as a party fund for our Alch to make potions n stuff with, divide it up amongst ourselves, or both, depending.

The way one of my other PC groups handles loot is pretty simple and easy.

List out the full loot, then claim what you want. Next person does the same, and reposts the list, removing the items they took.

Any left over loot, we liquidate and either use as a party fund for our Alch to make potions n stuff with, divide it up amongst ourselves, or both, depending.

There is only one flaw to your system, someone can claim something that might be more useful for someone else just to sell it since it is more valuable to buy himself something else.

Normally that way is good tough. I just think we should analyze what actually is good for who, when we know what is magical and what kind. I know I get the best out of the full-plate since I don't see any other fighter in your face character in the group, that doesn't mean it can't be mroe useful for someone else that wants to help in that area.

Akor Scourgebane wrote:

The way one of my other PC groups handles loot is pretty simple and easy.

List out the full loot, then claim what you want. Next person does the same, and reposts the list, removing the items they took.

Any left over loot, we liquidate and either use as a party fund for our Alch to make potions n stuff with, divide it up amongst ourselves, or both, depending.

There is only one flaw to your system, someone can claim something that might be more useful for someone else just to sell it since it is more valuable to buy himself something else.

Normally that way is good tough. I just think we should analyze what actually is good for who, when we know what is magical and what kind. I know I get the best out of the full-plate since I don't see any other fighter in your face character in the group, that doesn't mean it can't be mroe useful for someone else that wants to help in that area.

Obviously I would expect us to not be jerks about the loot. Myself included, there are 7 players in the group I was referring to and so far, we have had no issues splitting loot and we're only a level behind the Harbingers, so its not like there's a major discrepancy.

Of course we should also wait to have everything identified and such, but there is also no harm in Akor taking the bow for example. I was really hoping to get my hands on a composite bow soon and bam! Nimon musta read my mind and placed one in our loot pile.

Point is, we're a team, and in game, due to our shared experiences from the dream which is supposed to have brought us rather close together, we have a reason to want to make sure we all are equipped to the best of our abilities, more so than even a normal PC group.

With this many people, we need to decide a loot division now. Obviously cash is easy - 2k each. But with the other loot it can be tougher. I think the best way that I have seen is actually to make sure that everyone has equal value. Take the value of all the cash (12k here) add it too the loot and get a total, say 24k in this case just for a random number. So that is 4k each. If someone wants treasure, say the plate is +2, that would make it 5500. Thus, whoever took the plate would owe the party 1500, 300gp per person. Assuming that the loot next time was not taken by the same person, then that person would just pay people back at that time.

Whoever offers to keep track of the loot - and I can do it if nobody else volunteers, should keep a running tally of party debt so that there is no argument down the road.

This method results in each person getting equal value.

--> as a side note, I have Craft Wonderous Items, so I should be able to make/upgrade a certain number of items for people depending on how much down time we have during/between adventures. This should greatly cut down on our purchase costs. Herani will charge for this, but it will only be like 10%, so you all will be getting about a 45% discount on the price of anything I can craft. Also, I can scribe scrolls which should be beneficial once we are out of the wastes.

I am off to bed, will see how this discussion foes in the morning.

--> as a note, if we spilt everything by value, then nobody will be able to take the big item and sell it later. If something is claimed by, and usable by, 2 or more people and they do not agree who gets it, after 2-3 posts, we should just have the DM roll a random roll to determine who gets it. (I hope it never comes to this, but lets set up a system now so that we do not end up with bickering later. I am in a campaign where 2 of the original 6 people got tossed by the DM because they became so offensive to other players in not agreeing to reasonable loot splits.)

If it helps I will list things in order of relative value(though beauty is in the eye of the beholder so they say)

These have the highest monetary value
DragonHide Armor
Staff
Mithril FullPlate

These tie for close second
Cold-Iron Scimitar
Composit Bow (3 str)

The Rings vary
Bone Ring is worth most of the rings
Jade Ring a close second
Copper Ring a far third

There's 6 players in this game. In the other PBP I was talking about(Steel Wolves Merc game btw), there is 7, one more than the Harbingers. The Wolves are level 3, while we're level 4 here.

I really can not see how my suggestion doesn't work. We've had no problem with it in the Wolves game, and its a nice and easy solution.

Also, I am adamantly against owing the party cuz I took loot to benefit me...that seems counter to the whole point of upgrading gear. "Hey Akor, this is a +2 Flaming Longbow. You should so take it so you can help kill the monster better. But uh, your gonna owe the rest of 2,000g cuz ur weapon is so badass".....

I *will* not be part of said loot divison. Feel free to use my suggestion or toss it and find something even better. But none of this owing the other party members.

I can't think of a compromise as both are valid was to go.

I think as players we can keep it civil and find a way to divide things up to benefit the group as a whole. Are characters are different as night and day.

I say maybe a group pot with all values in it (when we know them). And then we as players keep the total worth of all equipment are characters as close as we can.

This will help when we find better items.

Example:

We find mithral full plate of speed. That goes to a warrior and replaces his +3 full plate. But instead of him also getting to go "shopping" and buy himself a belt of giant str +4. The extra should go back into the group to make sure others are at about the same WBL.

In the above the mithral would benefit a melee warrior but could be sold to gain say bracers of archery, greater and thus benefit the archer of the group.

Best games I've been in are where you don't get to go shopping and have to make do. Makes for interesting combos and great RP.

Let me give an example, takin our current loot:

Bow(its +2 Composite[+3]: total worth, say around 10k

Staff(of Healing but with only 15 charges): total worth, say 12-13k

Bone Ring(of Protection+3): total worth, 18k

Mithral Plate(of Speed): total worth, 26,500k

Now then, Akor can make use of all these items: He' an archer, so of course he'd want the bow. But he can also cast the spells out of the Staff, as they appear on his spell list.

And who wouldnt want more protection? Either ring or armor is fine for him as he can wear any armor with out issue till mid-high lvl.

But, I'm not a jerk. The bow is all I would take. Give the staff to a more dedicated caster, Akor would rather kill stuff than heal his allies in combat. And while the AC boosts would be awesome, of course, he isn't going to hopefully get hit all that often as an archer.

Now then, since the bow is the cheapest of four items I chose, if we went with Herani's suggestion, the 3 players who took the other gear would owe Akor gold?? Because i was a fair player??

That seems incredibly unfair to say the least

I care not how things are divided myself so long as at the end of the day everyone is as close as can be to everyone else. That will be harder to do without keeping track as suggested by Herani.

There is no question that the character who will get the most use out of an item (and thus benefit the group better) should have first dibs on things. But by your suggestion above...

The way one of my other PC groups handles loot is pretty simple and easy.

List out the full loot, then claim what you want. Next person does the same, and reposts the list, removing the items they took.

Any left over loot, we liquidate and either use as a party fund for our Alch to make potions n stuff with, divide it up amongst ourselves, or both, depending.

... it may lead to lopsidedness in the future. Sure it's good when it comes to dividing - at the moment - but doesn't take into account someone finding limited use items or items that are not for the player alone but for the group as a whole. (i.e. staff of healing)

Your example above has your character taking the 10k bow over the 26.5k armor because he is "the archer" and you say you are ok with being 16.5k behind. I agree as the melee warrior gets the armor and the archer gets the bow and all is good.

But what happens next loot division and the warrior takes the belt of physical might(STR/CON) +2 and leaves you with the amulet of natural armor +1?? The belt helps the melee warrior probably more, but then again the archer would do better the times he gets caught in melee and can't get out. So by your division the warrior would probably get it and be way ahead.

And they go from a 16.5k difference to a 30k difference instead of being 2k apart when it comes to loot gained.

I'm leaning towards buying in. The character won't "owe" the other characters anything this will be tracked by the players. We just try and keep them as close to each other as possible.

Numbers:
loot gained encounter A
armor - 26.5k
bow - 10k
total = 36.5k (18.25k each)

player:1 - armor (is at +8,250gp over)
player:2 - bow (is at -8,250gp under)

loot gained encounter B
belt - 16k
amulet - 2k
total = 18k (9k each, current total 27.25k each)

player:1 - amulet (is at +1,250gp over)
player:2 - belt (is at -1,250gp under)

Ah, the old loot argument. Here's my two cents: My character is designed to not require too much 'common' loot. He will mostly be forgoing much of the armor and weapons and will be wanting a lot of the accessories such as magic belts, rings, etc. Wondrous items are coveted by all and it becomes such a messy mess when we get to the point of sharing them.

Akor, your line of reasoning suggests that you will always have a choice between multiple pieces of loot and that you will want the least expensive item. It also assumes that every encounter or every other encounter will have loot for someone.

It sucks being the person not being able to "not be a jerk" and pick something "least expensive" out of the loot pile. Ultimately the "non jerks" will pick out all the loot, have a higher wealth by level, and those that didn't come across anything that they could use are sitting out to dry with a low wealth by level. Then, again, this assumes that when you sell this equipment you do not return the sale value to the group. If we plan on returning the sale value of loot we find back into the party, evenly distributed, then most of these arguments are moot.

Anyway, here is my take on loot disparity:

Firstly, it may not seem greedy that you are taking the bow, but in reality you are. Here is why: By your numbers you are taking 10K gold out of the party loot (albeit via an item)and there will be one person in the party who did not receive anything from that encounter. You will have effectively taken 10k gold away from that person and the group.

Let me try to better explain it:
The assumption here is that this is our first loot and before this we had a wealth level of 0. The loot you listed is worth a total of 67.5k gold. Divided evenly amongst the group that is 11.25k gold. (Since everyone got 2k, I'm not going to add that in since I am trying to illustrate disparity.)

Akor takes the bow, his wealth is now - 10k/11.25K
Herani takes the staff her wealth is now - 13k/11.25K
Jaz takes the bone ring his wealth is now - 18k/11.25k
Belros takes the mithral plate his wealth is now - 26.5k/11.25k
Xara takes nothing her wealth is now - 0K/11.25K
Xideus takes nothing his wealth is now - 0K/11.25K

Now we continue on and find another trove of treasure worth about 60k. Each of us would have 10k if it were evenly divided. In this trove you have a Kama worth 10k, a magical chain shirt worth 20k, and another ring of protection worth 20k.

Akor takes nothing - 10k/22.25k
Herani takes nothing - 13k/22.25k
Jaz takes the chain shirt - 38k/22.25k
Belros takes kama - 36.5k/22.25k
Xara takes nothing - 0/22.25k
Xideus takes ring - 20/22.5k

You see where this is going right? The disparity keeps increasing. I mean, Xara is short 22.25k after two encounters while Belros is up 14k and Jaz is up 16k. The plan proposed by Herani eliminates this disparity.

Ultimately, I agree with Jaz's plan. It is quite fair and doesn't really require anyone to 'pay' anything. It also doesn't require too much effort to 'crunch numbers'.

Shortly after you dispatch the Hag, Annis Hana arrives with a group of scouts. A Hag, Quickly search the area for others, this may be a covey She says to two of the scouts that break off and begin to track the area. She sees the dead sentry No, not Ulric, this was his first expedition. She says with sorrow. Thank you for dispatching this foul beast, I will report this incident to Alkenstar, the remainder of my scouts will patrol the area for any more intruders, Hags sometimes live with others and or ogres and giants. This one looks very old though, and is probably solitary. With that Hana leaves.

The rest of the night goes on without incident.

Shortly after you dispatch the Hag, Annis Hana arrives with a group of scouts. A Hag, Quickly search the area for others, this may be a covey She says to two of the scouts that break off and begin to track the area. She sees the dead sentry No, not Ulric, this was his first expedition. She says with sorrow. Thank you for dispatching this foul beast, I will report this incident to Alkenstar, the remainder of my scouts will patrol the area for any more intruders, Hags sometimes live with others and or ogres and giants. This one looks very old though, and is probably solitary. With that Hana leaves.

The rest of the night goes on without incident.

I just found the missing post!!! Nimon lol

Well Akor can take the bow, proabbly I will get the fullplate.

I agree both ways are fine but you can't divide loot by gold value to keep it fair, for example I'm the basically only fighter frontline man, so I might say hell give me all items so I can stay alive and hold everything in check burning feat to accomplish my dedicated task and piling money on me for mutual benefit. Sounds great to me but it's not fair.

Either way just don't be jerks and get what is proper for your characters, loot always evens out eventually or sometimes people get something super awesome once and the others get more smaller things but get them in abundance.

If one of those rings is a sustenance ring, Xara would like it very much. Having to sleep only two hours means six mire hours of sharp-eyed eidolon about.

You guys do realize that not only did I use an example in which i listed ONLY 4 out of the nine items from the game thread, but I also have NO idea what they are, and just assigned random properties to them??

Not only that, but you all seem to be forgetting WBL, of which we're already close to via 2k "monies" EACH. Meaning we only need 4k apiece to hit our WBL.

Too, Nimon seems capable of taking care of his PCs, and I would not doubt he has loot in store for each of us specifically. Considering how this game is going, it seems like that would make the most sense.

You guys do realize that not only did I use an example in which i listed ONLY 4 out of the nine items from the game thread, but I also have NO idea what they are, and just assigned random properties to them??

Sure just using your examples for consistency.

Not only that, but you all seem to be forgetting WBL, of which we're already close to via 2k "monies" EACH. Meaning we only need 4k apiece to hit our WBL.

Not forgotten just if we play that we try and keep everyone close to the same GP value for all their equipment then the GM needs to worry about our WBL. Which I think Nimon can handle.

Too, Nimon seems capable of taking care of his PCs, and I would not doubt he has loot in store for each of us specifically. Considering how this game is going, it seems like that would make the most sense.

If he does then maybe he should make sure he goes about giving it to the group in another way. Having the treasure in a heap could lead to the wrong person picking something not meant for them by the GM. Gifts to our PCs or the player letting him know what we would like so later when we "find" it we know whose it is, etc.

And if the above is true then why are you worried about owing someone the next time we discover treasure? Nimon will probably already have it set for the person who is behind.

Ya I had figured the bow would go to Akor, the Scimitar to Xideus, the Staff to Xara/Herani Mithril FullPlat for Belros ect, but I would in no way enforce this on you guys. You seem to be working well together so far.

Jaz, read Herani's suggestion. "Thus, whoever took the plate would owe the party 1500, 300gp per person"

Not cool with me.

I just suggest we divide the money from old equipment amongst the group. If I find a better scimitar I will sell it and give that money evenly to everyone. If you find a better bow, Akor, then when you sell the old one and equip the new one, you would just distribute what it sold for amongst the group. In the end, it does what Herani wanted, but it just takes longer to evenly distribute the wealth.

Example:
I have the cold iron scimitar right now. It is worth 630 (I think, do you double the masterwork cost?). If I sold it, it would provide 315 gold (50% of total value). This would mean everyone would get 52.5 gold when I sell it. This way, I don't end up with a lot of wealth because of the equipment I have collected and sold (keeping the money to myself). In the end, it would essentially be like selling every thing we found in the pile of loot and evenly distributing it.

PS: We would not divide our original equipment's gold value when we sell them because this stuff was already evenly distributed via WBL.

As far as the Misc/Wondrous Items go, I can create them now. As soon as I get time, I plan on making a headband of mental acuity (Wis/Int) for myself. And can make the Belts that you are all drooling over as long as we have enough time.

As far as loot distribution goes, I am baffled by anyone who does not think that an equal distribution is unfair, unless they plan on grabbing all the high value items. Nonetheless, it is up to the party to decide this democratically. You already know my vote.

The reason that equal distribution is fair is that no matter how cool the DM is, and how well he attempts to divine what players want, it may not match. For instance Belros is taking monk levels at present, thus, the full plate may not be something he wants - a belt of physical perfection or something similar would be better, or natural armor, or bracers of armor. The reason that equal division is important is that those who are not getting what they want from the loot will have to either purchase ($x2) or make the stuff themselves. This is why they will need cash. If all the big ticket items are taken by a few people, those not grabbing the valuable items will not be able to upgrade.

As far as distribution goes, party items - healing potions, healing wands, wands of bull strength, and stuff of that nature which are essentially disposable should not be charged toward whoever gets it. Permanent items - weapons, armor, belts, headbands, amulets - should be.

Did my comment about a party fund somehow get lost? <checks up thread> Nope, it is definitely there.

I am pretty much saying the same thing, EXPECT I refuse to owe anybody cuz my piece of gear is worth more than somebody else's. Even if that person gets a perfect item for them.

Again, let's take the above example, but in reverse:

Bow ends up being a +3, Flaming Bow which means it's 32k

The ring is a +3 Ring of Protection, 18k

Bel decides to take the Ring and we all agree to sell the Armor, which we divide among ourselves, or choose to create a party fund for the purposes of crafting, or maybe we do both. If the armor is worth(random high amount) 45k, we can each take 7k and put the extra 3k into a crafting fund.

However, because I took an awesome item, I owe you all money?? How is that at all fair???

Am I the only who sees that as discouraging one from taking the best loot, even if it's best for their character??

Unless I am seriously missing something, ff you go with that option, of forcing me to give gold to other PCs because I happened to get a better item via a loot pile, even though there's several built in ways to handle that, count me out of this game.

I see where your idea difference from all the others...

If the armor is worth(random high amount) 45k, we can each take 7k and put the extra 3k into a crafting fund.

So your saying it is ok to take a division of the leftover loot after already receiving something from it. Sorry but that isn't how it should be unless your character feels strongly greedy or seeks to obtain more and more power.

In your example the total loot was 95k and your division was thus -

player1 - bow 32k + 7k gp = 39k
player2 - ring 18k + 7k gp = 25k
all other players - 7k gp = 7k
party fund - 3k gp

When it should be...

player1 - bow 32k = 32k
player2 - ring 18k = 18k
all other players - 11k gp
party fund - 1k gp

I think we all can agree example two is the way to go. I think we should figure out how we wish to handle this and put it behind us we have liches to fight.

Are you honestly missing parts of my post, or just straight ignoring them to make me look like a jerk?

I said, on several occassions now, that left over loot could be either 1) given to all players evenly 2) it all goes to a party fund or 3) a combination of the two.

Here's the other important part: let's say the bow is only what Nimon said, a composite bow(+3). That means its roughly 600g. +2k=2600 total worth.

Add in the arrows, and let's say its 3k. And for the sake of the argument, the rest of the gear is useless for me. Whose forking over my extra 1k to put me at my WBL

Ya, nobody should. I have no idea how this never was an issue when we used it in the Steel Wolves game, and yet its a huge argument here.

I'm not sure what the argument is all about, either. In my group, if there's an item that is best suited for a certain character, he gets it. If that means he's taken more than his "fair share", that player makes a conscious effort not to take as much the next time around, and if you're taking something that's an upgrade, you put your old whatever back into the party pot for another character to use, or for the party to sell for communal things like restoration and healing wands.

I'm not sure what the argument is all about, either. In my group, if there's an item that is best suited for a certain character, he gets it. If that means he's taken more than his "fair share", that player makes a conscious effort not to take as much the next time around, and if you're taking something that's an upgrade, you put your old whatever back into the party pot for another character to use, or for the party to sell for communal things like restoration and healing wands.

DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!!

WE HAVE A WINNER

+1 to Nazard and a cookie

Pretty much what I was suggesting the entire time, expect I also included a way to keep track of the loot via the OOC thread.

Thanx Naz!

One thing to remember too is that these items are probably temporary, some of this stuff is just to tide you over until you have an opertunity to upgrade.

I think once you are past this chapter you will not feel at a loss for equipment or abilities.

Once again thank you for sticking it out, I was not sure how you would react to being in such a hostile enviroment. You have helped me tremendiously in assessing CR adjustments for an anti-magic enviroment.

Once again thank you for sticking it out, I was not sure how you would react to being in such a hostile enviroment. You have helped me tremendiously in assessing CR adjustments for an anti-magic enviroment.

Your funny - sticking a pure spellcasting mage/cleric in an anti-magic zone.

Sorry just want to make sure we are all agreeing to the same thing here. As Monkeygod's suggestion doesn't seem to be the same as Nazard's to me.

Nazard suggests (as I did -twice) that if someone receives more loot than other players that the player should make "a conscious effort not to take as much the next time around".

Ok I agree totally. You don't get this time around you get the next. So that everyone stays as close as we can to the same wealth.

Monkeygod says that he is suggesting the same thing but adds in things like...

A) Person who would get the most use out of an item should probably have first dibs on it. Regardless of past loot division??

and

B)Even if someone gets a item he should also get an "equal" division of the leftover loot, even if another player received something smaller or nothing at all.

While I agree somewhat with A it is B I am having a time wrapping my head around.

But at this point I truly don't care how gear gets divided because as Nimon said most people will go and sell it for what they want and not keep it anyway.

So I will not be putting a vote in from here on out. You all may do the division as you see fit (just pass Jaz a sack with his share) and even if he is behind others it matters little to me. Will just add to the RP.

I'm keeping the full plate hahaha until I get wisdom+dex items that give me better or equal protection.

I go with nazard's way since he basically explained what everyone else is trying to say in a more coherent way or at least worded correctly with the many missinterpretation we have from the rest of us.

Well I'm truly enjoying playing with all of you by the way so let's continue our adventure.

Yup, I'm pretty much done wasting time on loot division. I've been going along with Jaz's compromise for awhile, just trying to explain it more in-depth. I think too many words cause more confusion in the end or cause people just to overlook it.

Anyways, since everyone is down for what Nazard said - I'm on board. To me, it is exactly what Jaz and I were going for. We just added some details.

Is there a particular reason ya'll are tryin to make me out to be a greedy jerk who wants to dick over his fellow players when it comes to loot??

Cuz whether you realize it or are aware of it or not, that's exactly how I'm reading it, even tho on **THREE** different occassions I've said otherwise.

Is there a particular reason ya'll are tryin to make me out to be a greedy jerk who wants to dick over his fellow players when it comes to loot??

Cuz whether you realize it or are aware of it or not, that's exactly how I'm reading it, even tho on **THREE** different occassions I've said otherwise.

Well... lol just kidding. Naah I don't think anyone tryed that or at least I didn't

I think some people are having the same trouble I have when using a text based communication to have a discussion. Much is lost with out tone or body language. I do hope this continues to be as productive a group as it has been so far.

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I think some people are having the same trouble I have when using a text based communication to have a discussion. Much is lost with out tone or body language. I do hope this continues to be as productive a group as it has been so far.

It is not perfect. But when people want to get a point across, the can always raise their voices or SHOUT IF NECESSARY. And when they want to whisper that is easy as well. As for emphasizing something this seems to work quite well.

We live in a world where half the people communicate with text messages and emails anyway, we should be able to get the points across and understand what is going on.

I was refering to Monkeygod getting the impression others think he is trying to cheat them. I hope that is not the case. I myself am not a digital native, I have aquired the skill in the last six years, but I do not consider my self fluent in text speek. Hopefully with enough of these PbP I will be.

No matter how much bold, italics, etc are put into a post it is never going to equal the tone and inflection in someone's voice. Ultimately I think adding things like that would only hamper the discussion even more. I may take bold, large, capitalized letters as someone yelling at me, but they only meant to illustrate a point.

My goal was to illustrate points about wealth disparity and the need for some sort of way to minimize it, not to point fingers or call any one out. Anyways, on with the show.

Nimon, I think we need a big banner MAGIC IS BACK ON post when we finally get clear of the Manawastes, so that until we see it, we all refrain from trying to use magic.

Belros, where you be getting electric chains from? Hook me up =)

Belros, where you be getting electric chains from? Hook me up =)

LOL I forgot it was not active yet... since we are still in a magic null zone and I bought it with the money we got guess it just doesnt work yet xD and might change it to something else O.o

OUT OF THE NULL-MAGIC ZONE

YES!!! *do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight, get down tonight*

Before leveling up wish to talk party composition/roles. More non-combat related.

Of course Jazismus is the know it all - or finds out about it if he doesn't know anything about it - type. Also will be good at identifying magical items and spell effects.

What I wanted to know is who is/wants to be the face of the party. And other roles like healer, trapfinder, etc.

We get a feat at this level and not sure if I want a Skill Focus of some sort or a combat skill.

Thoughts?

4 levels, 10 pages, 500 posts and no magic!!

We must either really love this game or we'll hella crazysauce*

Most likely its both.

Wow, that is some bonus. Very cool, definitely fits Akor. I hope everybody else got boons just as fiting/awesome/powerful.

Akor can definitely be the party face, at least to a degree. After all his Bluff is rather high and he has a solid Diplomacy.

Beyond that, he's our tracker, able to find people n objects par excellence. He's also a pretty good sneak.

* Crazysauce means when your so crazy its like your covered in a sauce of it

Being this extra powerful over the standard rules means that Nimon either has to give us enemies of much higher CR than normal for APL 5 (which means facing stuff capable of leveling us out in one or two hits since our hit points haven't really scaled with our extra powers, though max hp at every level does help), or he'll have to custom modify standard APL 5 baddies. So far, he seems to be taking the first route (hill giants at level 4, after all). It's the kind of power game that could go glass cannon in a heartbeat.

Very intense.

Xara and Trig are updated...moving to game thread. Time to go talk to myself...