The Harbingers

Game Master Nimon

As for CR adjustments in the wasteland there were many, and Calikang are CR12 by the book, but when you take away SU abilities and give them motivation to attack(starvation) this reduces the CRs a bit.

These boons are in part because, yes you will face some things a bit more fitting of a group attempting to rewrite history, but also it is a payback for your lack of magic so far, and I think you all did well with that, specially those of you that were seriously hindered.

Leveling will be slower now, and this next chapter will be more RP, less battle.

Herani is pure magic, I am taking Wizard this level, then one more wizard and straight to Mystic Theurge - so I will have a ton of arcane and divine spells. Also, will make scrolls for every purpose and can craft more or less any magic item depending on down time.

I vote for the extra crazysauce lol So we level up and we have how much money to spend?

you each got 50g from the carvan to Drogon. This caravan would pay very little, you are using it for cover more then anything, ill say 3g a piece. The high paying job is when you get to Nex and work out a deal for Alkenstar, that will be 10k(Alkenstar has money coming out of his ears, but no food for its people)

Question for all, which do you think I should choose - Spell Focus(evocation) (+1 DC to blow stuff up), Spell Penetration(+2 to beat SR), Improved Initiative (+4 Init), or something else. I was considering Create Wands, but am not sure if I will have time to ever use that since I already have Scribe Scroll and Create Wondrous Items.

Any other ideas are also appreciated.

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Question for all, which do you think I should choose - Spell Focus(evocation) (+1 DC to blow stuff up), Spell Penetration(+2 to beat SR), Improved Initiative (+4 Init), or something else. I was considering Create Wands, but am not sure if I will have time to ever use that since I already have Scribe Scroll and Create Wondrous Items.

Any other ideas are also appreciated.

Are you going to be a blaster? If so, then the spell penetration. If you are going for support, I would suggest the initiative. But initiative is always good. I would have taken it if my character design wasn't so feat intensive at this level.

Ok, I wasn't going to say anything at first, but it appears Belros barely got anything as a boon. I mean, the abilities he got are really good, but in comparison to the +5 weapon of freakin awesomeness that is Io and the apparent ability for Jaz to cast any spell from any list, as long he plays music, they seem to pale in comparison.

Hell, even my boon seems a bit weak compared to those two, but what I got is at least pretty strong.

I'm not really complaining about what I got, I like it and it all fits really well with Akor. Would I like a bit more power? sure, but i am ok, more or less.

Belros however I feel could use a LOT more to put him even close to on par with the rest of us.

Of course, if he is perfectly happy with what he got, then just ignore all of this, I am just trying to make sure we all got at least somewhat fair boons.

You dare challenge Io? =P

To be honest, I never read what was intended for everyone else. Nimon assured me that everyone would be equally rewarded when I felt a bit awkward after getting Io. If there is a disparity in the group, then I will bite the bullet and be the first to offer up anything to equal the playing field. However, I think there are decidedly good reasons for each boon we received.

Now, that +2 AC ring is looking mighty fine. I call dibs =)

By the way, does anyone want the Cold-Iron Scimitar of Demon Bane? If not, I'll keep it as a back-up. Even though IO is awesome, this sword will make mincemeat out of demons.

As long as people are willing to compensate me to some extent, I will have you all equipped with +2 rings, cloaks and armor before long as well as basic belts of strength/headbands of intellect/wisdon/charisma. Since I can only cast 2nd level spells, this is the best I can do at present. If we have time, I can use Craft Wondrous Items to make better/stronger items, but it is a nice start.

Really, I am asking the compensation - say 10% of the value of items - so that I can afford the cost of fancy stuff that I will have to create (I really want that Headband of Mental Superiority +6)

--> If you immediately sell the stuff I make for you, I will be annoyed though.

OUT OF THE NULL-MAGIC ZONE

YES!!! *do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight, get down tonight*

Before leveling up wish to talk party composition/roles. More non-combat related.

Of course Jazismus is the know it all - or finds out about it if he doesn't know anything about it - type. Also will be good at identifying magical items and spell effects.

What I wanted to know is who is/wants to be the face of the party. And other roles like healer, trapfinder, etc.

We get a feat at this level and not sure if I want a Skill Focus of some sort or a combat skill.

Thoughts?

Xideus loves high-society and lavish things, but he is not a charmer. He is more of a intimidating bastard rather than a diplomatic fellow - at least when he wants to get his way. I've just been really lucky with my diplomacy rolls lately. He knows a thing or two about arcana and spellcraft and a little history. Not much else. His skills really reflect a fighter because, well, they stole the fighter skill list and gave them to the magus? Its hard to spend skills into something that isn't a class skill - my biggest sink in skills is perception, which is only a +5.

There really isn't much to Xid outside of combat.

As long as people are willing to compensate me to some extent, I will have you all equipped with +2 rings, cloaks and armor before long as well as basic belts of strength/headbands of intellect/wisdon/charisma. Since I can only cast 2nd level spells, this is the best I can do at present. If we have time, I can use Craft Wondrous Items to make better/stronger items, but it is a nice start.

Really, I am asking the compensation - say 10% of the value of items - so that I can afford the cost of fancy stuff that I will have to create (I really want that Headband of Mental Superiority +6)

--> If you immediately sell the stuff I make for you, I will be annoyed though.

Wow that is an amazing deal. I'm guessing that is one of your perks from the wastes? Super-item creation?

Here's my Shopping list:
Belt of Incredible Dexterity +2 (400)
Headband of Vast Intellect +2 (400)
Cloak of Resistance +2 (400)
Amulet of Natural Armor +1 (200)

I would owe you 1800g. Sound right? =)

Wow that is an amazing deal. I'm guessing that is one of your perks from the wastes? Super-item creation?

Here's my Shopping list:
Belt of Incredible Dexterity +2 (400)
Headband of Vast Intellect +2 (400)
Cloak of Resistance +2 (400)
Amulet of Natural Armor +1 (200)

I would owe you 1800g. Sound right? =)

It is not instantaneous, I have to use all my second level spells to make something +2, so I will not have any spells that day - thus, this is best during down time. I can do the same thing for +1 with first level spells or +3 for third level spells, of which I have none right now.

Keep the list, and I will try to work through it so that everyone gets something.

When deciding on what to give people I wieghed a few factors. The major one was who would be effected the most. Belros of corse was effected the least, and would be effected by the quickening less.

Xideus does have a nice item, but that is all it is when it is all said and done, and item. This has many drawbacks.

Akor, you have blindsight/dark vison that is on all the time now, additonal spells, and that oracle revelation. If you are outside you get some very nice bonuses from that revelation. You get to add Cha and wis to wis based skills, and once a night you get to add a metafeat to a spell. You always know where you are going.

Will have my character leveled up by SUN - to many spells to choice from :)

As for gear nothing I see left for the bard, so will take whatever is left.

Checking but we have 2,050gp each to spend correct?

Jazismus's idea in the gameplay is to spend the rest of the day and all day tomorrow in town, and then head out the next morning.

Like I said, I love what Akor got. And considering the thought process behind what we each got, it makes even more sense that those more magically inclined get a bigger boost via the quickening.

I mainly brought it up cuz I felt bad that we all got such cool stuff and Belros did not get as much.

Questions:

1) is my low-light vison only out to 30ft?? If so, that kinda defeats the purpose of it. Also, what's the range on my Darkvision?

The way you wrote it, it seems like all three are only out to 30ft. While that's fine for a powerful ability like Blindsight, its the range my normal vision is now reduced to. Reading the curse, these are supposed to help replace my normal sight.

2)I noticed this is chapter 1 and you made mention of "next chapter" above. Are you planning on a new game thread? Hopefully not cuz that'll make things a little annoying havin to go to a different thread than the one we already have.

Got some real work to get done today, will figure out my new feat, finish up my leveling and work with my new magic power later on. There is going to be a +1 Cloak of Resistance to whoever has the worse saves. Let me know, I will make more as the time goes forward.

I got good saves and a cloack of resistance +1 but I when we got the 6,000 gp at first I did buy a shock kama so I will just switch it to the ki property instead to reflect the absence of that effect.

I also will seel my mwk breatplate I have been using and would be delighted for any items that raise my Dex and Wis Herani since that will eventually allow me to don my armor and fight at full strength. Yes I'm a very item depending whore character as a monk/fighter.

@Akor your blindsight is 30, darkvision/lowlight-60, normal vision is 120. Sorry I condensed it the first time and forgot to add the differant ranges from my notes.

Wait, I thought my normal vision was 30ft, as per the Clouded Sight(Vision?) Oracle Curse??

Which would fit, since double that is 60 feet for Low-Light.

I used the APG as a basis, but this is a SU ability. At first your normal sight was limited(unless surpressed by antimagic field as it was in the wasteland), now it is even stronger then it was befor, due to your exsposure and return from the antimagic of the mana wastes.

Oh, ok cool. Just wanted to make sure I got everything right.

Btw, with Hera's craftin ability, does this give her any benefit to crafting non stat increasing items?? I would really like an Efficent Quiver as soon as possible, though I can easily just pay for her to make it normally.

I am sure she could make one with her crafting ability, her magical benefit is more specific.

Akor - efficient quivers and handy haversacks are first priority as soon as I finish the stat and defensive equipment. May be a few weeks, but should be able to get it. I think that the quiver should only take a day or two as I recall.

Loot Recap:

(Belros) Mithril Full Plate +3 w/Fortification moderate

(Akor) Dragonhide Armor(technically this is heavy armor/plate, I may allow medium profient to wear it though since it is "hide") is +1 with shadow enchantment.

(Xid, but up for grabs) Cold-Iron Scimitar of Demon Bane- +2 vs non demon/+4 vs demon +2d6 dam

(Trig?)(lesser) Staff of Necromancy- 10 charges. Has Cause Fear-1 charge, Ghoul Touch 1 charge, Halt Undead- 1 charge. The staff has a +2 enchantment on it if used in melee, and its wielder can Detect Undead at will(move action).

(Akor) +1 Composite Bow of Distance(made for +3 str)

(Akor) The silver arrows are +1 with undead bane enchantment

(?) Bone Ring- +1 AC, +1 CL when casting necromancy

(Xid?) Jade Ring-+2 AC

(?) Copper Ring- +1 of climbing

**The names besides the loot is those people who have given interest. Everyone claim what you want and we will duke it out to see who gets it ;)

Xara would take the climbing ring, though she's very clear that it would just be to sell to supplement her money to buy a ring of sustenance. She's also willing to sell the loot people don't want, as she just needs a little under 300 gp to afford the ring outright on her own.

Ok - Here is my plan:
I am going to make a Headband of Intellect +2 and also buy the 3,000 gp of items necessary to upgrade the headband to a Headband of Mental Prowess +2 (Int/Wis) as this is 3k value, I believe that it should take 3 days(1/2 time) if I add +5 to the spellcraft check (DC22= 5+CL12+5speed).

My plan is as follows.
+2 Headband of Intelect for me & +1 Ring of Protection & +1 Light Crossbow
+2 Cloak of Resist for me --> My cloak+1 will go to someone else
+2 Belt of Dex for Belros --> Belros gets 2 items first since he offered to loan me the money for my headband
+2 Headband of Wis for Belros
+2 Belt of Dex for Xideus
+2 Headband of Cha for Xara
+2 Belt of Dex for Akor
+2 Headband of Cha for Jaz
+2 Ring of Protection for me
+2 Bracers of Armor for me
Upgrade my Headband to Wis/Int +2 --> 3 days - I will also be working on this on any day when I use other spells, adventuring, etc.

Next round of items -
+2 Belt of Dex for me
+2 Headband of Intellect for Xideus
+2 Belt of Dex for Akor
+2 Belt of Dex for Jaz
+2 Belt of Dex or Con or Str for Xara

Note - as others request, I can make more stuff so as to share the wealth.
As I noted above, since I could easily just make stuff and sell it and pocket the cash, I am only charging 10% of the base price for items - i.e. Belt +2 = 4,000 --> 400 cost to you.

Also, if you do not want one of these, let me know. To make an item, I cannot use any spells of that level per day. I can also make lots of +1 items - rings, weapons, etc. So let me know what you want, Rings of Protection, Bracers +1, Weapons, etc.

This is several weeks worth of work, so things may well change as we go.

Once I am done with this, I will take requests for Crafting items - same deal, you pay for the cost of the item +10% ie - Belt of Str/Dex+2 = 10k value = 5k cost, you pay 5,500 (actually it would probably be 3300 for these since you should already have a Belt of Dex+2 that can be upgraded).

I actually need a Headband of Wis more than a Belt of Dex, though I will take the Belt after.

For me, the Headband will become a Wis/Cha, as I don't really see needing more Int, at least not for awhile. Currently, I get 11 skill points per level, though eventually that will drop down to ten, as I take new spells known.

Double - Loot Recap:

(Belros) Mithril Full Plate +3 w/Fortification moderate

(Akor) Dragonhide Armor(technically this is heavy armor/plate, I may allow medium profient to wear it though since it is "hide") is +1 with shadow enchantment.

(Xid, but up for grabs) Cold-Iron Scimitar of Demon Bane- +2 vs non demon/+4 vs demon +2d6 dam

(Trig?)(lesser) Staff of Necromancy- 10 charges. Has Cause Fear-1 charge, Ghoul Touch 1 charge, Halt Undead- 1 charge. The staff has a +2 enchantment on it if used in melee, and its wielder can Detect Undead at will(move action).

(Akor) +1 Composite Bow of Distance(made for +3 str)

(Akor) The silver arrows are +1 with undead bane enchantment

(Xid) Bone Ring- +1 AC, +1 CL when casting necromancy

(Herani) Jade Ring-+2 AC

(Xara) Copper Ring- +1 of climbing

**The names besides the loot is those people who have given interest. Everyone claim what you want and we will duke it out to see who gets it ;)

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I think since Xid can wear armor the jade ring should go to Herani and then he can have the bone one for now and then sell/upgrade it later.

What is the armor bonus for the rings?? Deflection?

That then leaves the copper ring for Xara.

Everything else is ok with me. I want to see the staff wielding eidolon in action. :)

Bonuses from rings are non-specific so they stack with all bonuses unless otherwise noted.

Actually I can wear just as much armor as Herani my archetypes get rid of my armor training.

Well I will give half my 10k to Herani for purposes of paying of future magic items or in general magic items she can make.

Xara take my masterwork breastplate should cover what you need to pay for you your ring of sustenance (awesome to have). I will look out for rings/braces of armor later on and will sell the fullplate to pay for those so I can have the same AC as if I'm wearing the armor. Will miss the moderate fortification.

Actually I can wear just as much armor as Herani my archetypes get rid of my armor training.

Wow that was horrible. I was writing it on my phone. I don't mind grabbing the +1 AC though. Just wanted to say that I am not trained to use any armor. The armor I do have on has no penalties, so I can wear it =). The casters should look into the Haramaki and Silken Ceremonial Armor if they haven't already.

Belros, you should be able to wear the mithral full plate - it is considered medium armor. Unless you have abilities that require you to wear no/light armor? I only say this because you were wearing a breastplate.

Was that a yeah or a nay to having the +2,000gp?

And I don't think buying a set of +1 studded leather a waste of money. What else am I going to do with it? Your ability takes time and you can't make for everyone more than what once a week - that is if you cast no spells at all that week and don't do to much traveling.

The money is for buying items and upgrading. Jazismus is a support character and doesn't need to much for that at the moment. And he doesn't need to try and save money just yet. If we do have 2k gp then I am only spending 1,175 of it leaving me plenty to buy a nice silver brooch in the shape of a harp (with strings that actually play) and a gold ring studded with emeralds so that when my turn comes about for a crafted item I can get a brooch of shielding and a ring +? of protection not wasting it using it wisely I think.

The Dragonhide Armor, what type of armor is that? +1 Fullplate with Shadow?

If so, I think I might sell it as there is too many penalties for that, and get a Mitrhal Chain Shirt possibly with Shadow if I make enough.

Provided I can afford a +1 Mithral Chain Shirt of Shadow, without having to dip into my own funds, if I have any left over, I will donate it to Hera for party crafting purposes.

For anyone wanting a +1 or +2 weapon/armor. Buy something made of mithral or adamantine, let me give it a +1, then hire someone to add any special abilities - shadow, keen, etc.

Once you have it upgraded, I can increase it to +2, or +3 in a few levels. This will save a ton of cash. It will usually cost 6k (8k-2k) to get the equipment upgraded. If I then increase it to +2, you end up with a 16k weapon for about 7k. A pretty good deal in my opinion.

The only constraint is that we will have to wait a few days to have armor/weapons crafted.

Hey Herani, can you put Jaz before me in your item creation list? He kinda got screwed on the last loot distribution.

Be advised for the following: I gain nothing from my following argument at the moment. I am primarily arguing for Jaz.

Everyone. I'm sure we discussed this, but if you take something out of the loot pile just to sell it to buy something else, that is not really fair. What should happen with loot that no one can use or is willing to use, is that it is sold and the gold divided equally amongst the group.

Akor, you have said time and time again that you wouldn't be greedy about the loot, but you have taken a bow, arrows, and a very expensive piece of armor - which you are now selling? While Jaz gets nothing? If anything, he should have that armor to sell to get something he wants since the rest of us got at least something useful out of the pile.

Also, I'm not sure I see the fairness in Belros selling an even more expensive armor then what Akor is selling, donating the gold to Herani from it, and then moving to the top of the crafting list.

This is just how I am seeing it as an outside observer. Take it how you will.

Hey Herani, can you put Jaz before me in your item creation list? He kinda got screwed on the last loot distribution.

Be advised for the following: I gain nothing from my following argument at the moment. I am primarily arguing for Jaz.

Everyone. I'm sure we discussed this, but if you take something out of the loot pile just to sell it to buy something else, that is not really fair. What should happen with loot that no one can use or is willing to use, is that it is sold and the gold divided equally amongst the group.

Akor, you have said time and time again that you wouldn't be greedy about the loot, but you have taken a bow, arrows, and a very expensive piece of armor - which you are now selling? While Jaz gets nothing? If anything, he should have that armor to sell to get something he wants since the rest of us got at least something useful out of the pile.

Also, I'm not sure I see the fairness in Belros selling an even more expensive armor then what Akor is selling, donating the gold to Herani from it, and then moving to the top of the crafting list.

This is just how I am seeing it as an outside observer. Take it how you will.

Yes, I have the +2 ring, I think that is about all that I have taken so far, I just added it to my character sheet, thanks for the reminder.

As far as the equipment goes, this is why I was recommending that we split all loot equally, but several people were adamantly against this. Just remember, if you are greedy taking loot, I will try to balance things out by making stuff for other people before you. So thank you Xidieus, I will try to get Jaz some good +1 and +2 equip early on if he did not get much before.

Hey Herani, can you put Jaz before me in your item creation list? He kinda got screwed on the last loot distribution.

Be advised for the following: I gain nothing from my following argument at the moment. I am primarily arguing for Jaz.

Everyone. I'm sure we discussed this, but if you take something out of the loot pile just to sell it to buy something else, that is not really fair. What should happen with loot that no one can use or is willing to use, is that it is sold and the gold divided equally amongst the group.

Akor, you have said time and time again that you wouldn't be greedy about the loot, but you have taken a bow, arrows, and a very expensive piece of armor - which you are now selling? While Jaz gets nothing? If anything, he should have that armor to sell to get something he wants since the rest of us got at least something useful out of the pile.

Also, I'm not sure I see the fairness in Belros selling an even more expensive armor then what Akor is selling, donating the gold to Herani from it, and then moving to the top of the crafting list.

This is just how I am seeing it as an outside observer. Take it how you will.

WOW hold your horses I think I sayed after I get enough stuff from wis +dex I would change it and sell it (this is VERY FAR still). I also have offered my mwk breastplate to pay for others stuff if they needed and such so calm down a bit since I'm donating to Herani half my loot from anything to enchantments that might be needed don't mean they are all for me they are to be used as it suits necessity.

WOW, really? I was calm. Just explaining what I was seeing. Your 5,000k gold donation is appreciated. I was just saying since this money is coming from shared funds it is not entirely fair that you would get priority in the loot creation process.

Any loot after character creation and WBL that I sell, like the scimitar, will be divided equally amongst the group. I think Herani has made the pricing fair for her items and we can all buy the items we need at her pricing. I feel that all of you can handle the wealth that is distributed evenly so that I wont have to give her the gold "for the group" as you have said.

By the way, you can not enchant a weapon with shock without it first being enchanted with +1.

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Tirion, I enjoy how loot is distributed in our kingmaker game. It makes so much sense, and there is really no penalty to buying into any of the loot as you can sell it for just as much. It was here where I first learned about this type of looting system and its shocking that it is not used more universally.

1. Find loot.
2. Divide Gold.
3. Find loot worth.
4. Sell loot - to players or merchants; both at 50%.
5. Distribute the gold earned by selling evenly.

Later, when you don't want what you bought from the pile o loot you sell it for exactly what you paid for it. In the end you never really bought it, you just divided up the wealth equally.

For example, in our current game I bought a mwk cold iron hand-axe for half its original price from the loot pile which costs 156 gold. This gold gets taken from my share and divided to the group: everyone else gets 31.2 gold and I get the axe. Later, if I don't want it, I can just sell it for 156 to a merchant and there is no loss to me. I just helped my group out by giving them gold that they can spend on other things, and I kept everything even.

Sure, now those of us who took very expensive items would be in debt, but at least Jaz would have some gold to buy something.

There is no point trying to explain somethings since they read different no matter how much a person wants to say it someway there is no facial expressions or other things that let you know things are being sayed calmly in text, sorry for that.

Yeah I get what you mean.

I made a mistake and sayed I was just changing the shock part when I was doing the magic item things for 6k gold.

But for the most I think we are handling fine except the selling of the dragon hide which I don't mind akor taking the hide but just as loot to sell to get something its kinda hard since Jaz got nothing so maybe sell it so both can get something good from it?

The simple fact is that PF has established a system which balances items by gp value. A +1 weapon is 2k, a +1 shield is 1k, a +2 Headband is 4k, etc. If loot split is not balanced, then someone is always going to feel like they were cheated.

In this game I really do not care. I am the creator and I if I wanted to, I could make myself anything I want and just say screw the rest of you. I do not plan on doing that, however, since I am a strong believer in equality, I will try to balance things out. Thus, if someone gets a +4 weapon, I will probably give the next few +1 and +2 items to someone else. The way the DM is working magic, I do not think that we are going to have to worry about being under powered, on the contrary, we should be thinking more about our characters and the game so that it is fun for all. With all the power we have been given, we all know that the monsters and scenarios we are going to see will be tough and require creative roll playing.

You all realize I said I was going to be giving up the remainder of what I got from the selling the armor right??

To be honest, it's partially my fault. I did not realize the armor would have such high penalties when I initially claimed it. However, it's getting sold, and I can give Jaz all of the left over gold, which should be a couple of thousand.

Now, bear in mind, Bel and I rely a bit more on our weapons and armor than Xi and Jaz do. The two of you got really strong boosts from the potion, so don't start crying "woe is me". Jaz can cast Barkskin, Mage Armor, Shield, and Shield of Faith for a total of +12 to his armor. At 5th level!!!

And Xi, you get a +5 weapon, that becomes more badass as you level.

I think its ok if I get a decent weapon and armor, then donate the rest of the gold to the party or even Jaz, in order to help balance out **THAT** particular badassness.

Or should we just give you all the best gear and loot as well as your b&@##in special powers so you all can easily outshine us???

You all realize I said I was going to be giving up the remainder of what I got from the selling the armor right??

To be honest, it's partially my fault. I did not realize the armor would have such high penalties when I initially claimed it. However, it's getting sold, and I can give Jaz all of the left over gold, which should be a couple of thousand.

Now, bear in mind, Bel and I rely a bit more on our weapons and armor than Xi and Jaz do. The two of you got really strong boosts from the potion, so don't start crying "woe is me". Jaz can cast Barkskin, Mage Armor, Shield, and Shield of Faith for a total of +12 to his armor. At 5th level!!!

And Xi, you get a +5 weapon, that becomes more badass as you level.

I think its ok if I get a decent weapon and armor, then donate the rest of the gold to the party or even Jaz, in order to help balance out **THAT** particular badassness.

Or should we just give you all the best gear and loot as well as your b$!*$in special powers so you all can easily outshine us???

You have been the only one complaining and crying about things that, quite frankly, were between us and GM. You broke our privacy by reading what was directed towards us. I've read yours now to simply see what you are crying about, and to retort:

Io is a weapon that I have to wield to receive any of the benefits from the harrowing. It progresses only slightly down its regular progression, which I would have received in the first place - so my power does not get more badass as I level beyond what I would have naturally received based on my balanced class. In the end I would have the same sword I would have had. Nothing extra added to my character except the power boost now. On the other hand, you get blind sight without having to equip anything, extra spells per day, and a very powerful ability from the Heavens mystery. Each level we gain my benefit slowly decreases while the rest of the group gains equipment of similar enchantment. Your benefit remains increasingly more powerful as we level.

This is what I got beyond the limits of the game and my class:
Quick Draw (Awesomeness)
Wave Strike (Uses Fient, which I'll never be able to pull off)
Dazzling Display (Action economy makes this effectively useless)
The Sword has Keen and is Made out of Adamantine
(My sword is an effective +6. The sword we received from the hag is an effective +3. Not that big of a jump in power, really. Hell, if we met a demon, I would be using the other one.)

Here is what you received beyond the limits of the game and your class:
Low-Light Vision
Dark Vision
Blind Sight (This is F'in Awesome!)
Guiding Star Revelation (Awesome for you)
2 Additional 1st-Level Spells per day (I'd kill for, the rest are icing))
1 Additional 2nd-Level Spell per day
1 Additional 3rd-Level Spell per day

I'll gladly trade you. Give me my regular Black Blade progression and let me have all that awesome goodness.

As for Jaz (I didn't read what he received, but will go on what you said), he may have access to more spells, but the action economy really limits his use of those spells. He is also limited by what spells he knows, and how many he can cast. Sure he can have +12 to his armor, but that would take 5 rounds to cast it all. By that time the battle would be over. He would also be wasting spell slots to cast spells, that ultimately would not be that beneficial - save this one vs one fight coming up. He would also have to place them in his limited "spells known" slots as well.

Any experienced player would tell you, Akor, that you received the best deal between the two of us - that is unless we stop leveling. Then I would have a very slight advantage.

Um...dude, right now, at 5th level you have a weapon that is +5 with Keen, automatically. You don't need to use any action to give yourself this benefit, which is equal to you having an extra 72k gold.

This has nothin to do with being a Bladebound Magus. In order for any Magus to use his class ability to get what you have, he would need to be 17th level!! and on top of that, would not get Keen for free. and you get to toss on all of the special weapon properties you want, without having to trade out +s.

Yes, Blindsight is awesome, not denying that. Nor am I saying I want more power. What I am saying is, we must take the power boosts we got into account when debating loot and party wealth. Case in point, are you planning on claiming any melee weapons??

Also, I love how you totally ignored the first part of my post. For that, I thank you.

Re: Guiding Star, yes, badass, awesome for me...WHEN ITS NIGHT OUT!! ....which, has it been yet?? have we ever done anything special at night in this entire game??? as far as I know, that would be "No Akor, we have not had any encounters, or done anything beyond sleep at night"...

Ok lets all calm down a bit.

Akor, the hag encounter was at night, I gaurentee there will be more encounters at night.

As far as the boons go, the hardest part of the Bladbound magus for me to swallow was the sword progression. A sword is what it is, so this gave me an opertunity to allow it to be that way, and still not be so out of proportion with the rest of you. I really did try to tailor things to each person for what you seem to have made your characters for.

Lets all work as a team, a benefit to one of you is going to benefit all of you.

Ok lets all calm down a bit.

Akor, the hag encounter was at night, I gaurentee there will be more encounters at night.

As far as the boons go, the hardest part of the Bladbound magus for me to swallow was the sword progression. A sword is what it is, so this gave me an opertunity to allow it to be that way, and still not be so out of proportion with the rest of you. I really did try to tailor things to each person for what you seem to have made your characters for.

Lets all work as a team, a benefit to one of you is going to benefit all of you.

That's what I've been trying to say all along. Yes, Akor took armor and then sold it. But 1) I made a mistake, which I've now twice admitted to.

and 2) I am taking the left over gold and either giving to the party fund for crafting, or I can give it right to Jaz. Because I got an pretty damn good bow, and I sold the armor for something more suitable to myself I don't want to keep the excess gold. It would be hella unfair, especially since I made a mistake and if i kept the gold, I'd be capitalizing on that twice: Once in getting better armor, and then again in keeping several thousand gold, so I can better stuff.

Also, just a big FYI: WBL for 5th level is 10,500g. No matter what I did with the armor, unless I chose nothing, I would/am over that total due to having a +2 weapon(+1 Enchantment, +1 Distance)

At least with my selling it, and giving Jaz the remaining gold(which I said I would have no problem with from the beginning) BOTH of us benefit. He'd have around 4k or so gold, which could get him +2 armor, a +1 weapon, Bracers of Armor +2, a +2 stat enhancer or any number of other items...

The bottom line is, Xi, you ignored me, repeatedly. Its messed up and I'm getting sick of it. Look to my post on Nov 1. I say if I can afford my armor without dipping into my personal money I would give Hera my left over gold for party crafting. Then look at my post at 2:34 this afternoon. I say again, "hey, I screwed up. Let me make some amends here and give Jaz the rest of the gold after I get armor I can actually use".

I gave everybody at least 3 or 4 days to say "Hey Akor, not cool with selling the armor and buying yourself a better, more suitable one." Now, after I've done so, you wanna cry foul?? I posted that at 1am Tues, Nov 1st. Where were you??