I believe we need to scout the elf threat ASAP. If that means we have to leave with a non-ideal party that is fine with me.
Nerk said he was going to give us some downtime, so we'll have time to re-train the 2PCs and do some crafting and such before we get back to exploring.
For my own purposes:
Vallen-Istiel-Warrior to Ranger? Fighter?
Kal'Tos-Septimus-Adept-Cleric? Something?
Tomag-Vada-Expert-Barbarian!
Cueta-Sorala-Expert-Witch
Vada and Sorala, you'll be losing some skill points, so we should think about how the f. that works in terms of the narrative.
I think other than Vallen/Istiel it's going to be 2PCs staying home. What say I handwave the re-training time for Istiel, partly because she talks like such a badaz that I can't believe she's an NPC class, and partly so that the departing team doesn't get held up for three days in game.
Still no word from Zoriya or Gair. We'll give it a little longer before we start thinking about how to handle the loss of two more of our players. Both Ben and Garrack announced their departure, which at least spared me wondering where they were.
Anyway, Gair and Zoriya, I hope you're ok, but check in, huh?
Cueta: I'm not really too thrilled about the idea of wooden armor, just because it doesn't fit in my imagination. But I wouldn't be surprised if Horn'Tos or Garross hadn't made a hide shirt for Kyle which could be passed on now he's dead.
I confess I've lost track of what they're working on. If any of you are waiting for something from them, please remind me. Otherwise, they've been stitching together leather and hide armors for the fighting sorts, and helping out with building the forge, etc.
Also, any 2PCs seeking (hide or leather) armor can probably get some from them.
Septimus could definitely use some armour.
and yes septimus made the transition to cleric specializing in luck and trickery
You know, I actually don't even know which skills Vada actually has points in. He has 10 skills listed, but only 8 skill points/level. D:
Vada and Sorala, you'll be losing some skill points, so we should think about how the f. that works in terms of the narrative.
I've got Sorala figured that she has lost or not brought her library with her, and without rigorous study, coupled with the stress and tragedy she's experienced, her knowledge base is atrophying a bit. She'll be losing 3 skill points going from 6 base + 3 int to 2 base + 3 int + 1 favored class*. Her skills that atrophy will be appraise, know (religion) and know (nobility), skills that she hasn't really used since she's been in the new world. She's also in effect losing more skill points in that she's losing the class bonus from other knowledges, but so it goes.
*Sorala also has a Know (planes) modifier +4 - I guess that she had favored class (expert) and got another skill point that way? In such a case, she'll lose Know (planes) as well, going from 10 skill points to 6.
Cueta: I'm not really too thrilled about the idea of wooden armor, just because it doesn't fit in my imagination. But I wouldn't be surprised if Horn'Tos or Garross hadn't made a hide shirt for Kyle which could be passed on now he's dead.
No worries. I was thinking that Cueta would want to do something to make her sister safe(r), and making something herself would be a nice gesture. I will think on it and come up with something else, or just wait a level and put a skill point in craft (something) so that she can make her sister an armor or weapon.
I confess I've lost track of what they're working on. If any of you are waiting for something from them, please remind me. Otherwise, they've been stitching together leather and hide armors for the fighting sorts, and helping out with building the forge, etc.
Horn'Tos was working on armor for an NPC, last I recalled (a shield for Edmund, perhaps?)
Experts get 6 pts/lvl.
+2 (int modifier)
+1 (human)
+1 (favored class bonus)
comes out to around 10 I think, though math isn't my strong suit.
No worries. I was thinking that Cueta would want to do something to make her sister safe(r), and making something herself would be a nice gesture. I will think on it and come up with something else, or just wait a level and put a skill point in craft (something) so that she can make her sister an armor or weapon.
Or she'll spend some time training birds to carry messages north, so that sis can pass notes to her bff up north. I still haven't wrapped my head around that one though.
Cueta would have to: 1. capture a bird/many birds (survival check?), 2. train said bird(s) using handle animal, 3. find a way to house birds (craft carpentry or UC downtime rules?), is what I'm thinking.
Nerk said he was going to give us some downtime, so we'll have time to re-train the 2PCs and do some crafting and such before we get back to exploring.
Yeah, I am looking forward to some downtime. But I agree with Kal'Tos in that we should move on sooner than later (like perhaps after the PC2s are trained). I'm worried that before too long our foragers are going to start accumulating some pretty hefty penalties, so we should give them a new fresh area to work out of as soon as we are able.
For my own purposes:
Vallen-Istiel-Warrior to Ranger? Fighter?
Kal'Tos-Septimus-Adept-Cleric? Something?
Tomag-Vada-Expert-Barbarian!
Cueta-Sorala-Expert-WitchI think other than Vallen/Istiel it's going to be 2PCs staying home. What say I handwave the re-training time for Istiel, partly because she talks like such a badaz that I can't believe she's an NPC class, and partly so that the departing team doesn't get held up for three days in game.
Ha! Thanks! I love it when she has a reason to talk so I can think of something cool to say. She's going to be a Ranger (Skirmisher). Favored enemy will probably be demons (or undead), because that makes a lot of sense right now. In any other campaign Istiel would be a fighter, but there are two problems with her being one here.
One- a Fighter's "thing" is all the extra feats they get. With the E6 system, everyone gets that after a certain point, so other than moving at normal speed in armor and being an f'in badass in full plate one day it wouldn't net her much. Also I would use her 1st level bonus feat to get Improved Unarmed Strike, just so she can spontaneously judo-throw fools around. Then again... we have no heavy armor users... ugh, so tempting. Mostly it's that fighters lose their unique status as feat mongers in E6. If someone can talk me into it by tomorrow I'll do it, but I think everyone but Kal'tos said the more rangers the better last time.
Two- Skill points are pretty serious business in this campaign, and a failed roll could cost us a lot. That and if Gair is gone someone has to make the bows and arrows...
Still no word from Zoriya or Gair. We'll give it a little longer before we start thinking about how to handle the loss of two more of our players. Both Ben and Garrack announced their departure, which at least spared me wondering where they were.
Anyway, Gair and Zoriya, I hope you're ok, but check in, huh?
Come back soon guys, we miss you! Plus Istiel was about to make a move on Gair (she has an elf crush, tee hee) it will be severely disappointing if this does not pan out.
I confess I've lost track of what they're working on. If any of you are waiting for something from them, please remind me. Otherwise, they've been stitching together leather and hide armors for the fighting sorts, and helping out with building the forge, etc.
Also, any 2PCs seeking (hide or leather) armor can probably get some from them.
Istiel could use a wooden buckler. And a cold-iron greatsword. And a Composite Longbow +2 str, and mithril full plate, and Bane arrows (demons, undead, hell hobgoblins just in case...).
In the pursuit of fairness just the first for now. I GUESS.
I don't think I said one way or the other about you and your new class, Istiel. But I agree in this campaign a ranger is more useful.
At some point we may have to fight a pitched battle. A few fighters can be key in such a fight.
Good point Gair. Tower it is.
Also Gair, what class are you thinking for Hassan? I'm torn between Fighter (with ranged combat feats) or Ranger (skirmisher) for retraining Istiel. I'm leaning towards Fighter due to RP reasons, but Ranger skills are much more useful in this campaign.
Seemed like endorsement to me, my mistake.
Also, Istiel can't craft bows and arrows because she doesn't have bowmaking tools. Ha.
At some point we may have to fight a pitched battle. A few fighters can be key in such a fight.
Good point Gair. Tower it is.
Also Gair, what class are you thinking for Hassan? I'm torn between Fighter (with ranged combat feats) or Ranger (skirmisher) for retraining Istiel. I'm leaning towards Fighter due to RP reasons, but Ranger skills are much more useful in this campaign.
Seemed like endorsement to me, my mistake.
Also, Istiel can't craft bows and arrows because she doesn't have bowmaking tools. Ha.
The reality is either would be useful, so go with what you would rather play as.
Experts get 6 pts/lvl.
+2 (int modifier)
+1 (human)
+1 (favored class bonus)
comes out to around 10 I think, though math isn't my strong suit.
Ah! That explains it.
In that case, Vada will have 8 skill points/level after retraining, so I think I'll drop Spellcraft and Ride. He didn't have a chance to use those, anyway, so it won't seem like he's suddenly less capable than he was, previously. :3
@ Vada, and you may choose to throw your FC at hps, though with toughness, you'll have an ample supply.
@ Istiel, the advantage of a fighter in an e6 campaign is still feats. The difference being that rather than having so many more in the end, it's that you get them sooner. Keep in mind the pace of the game. We've been playing since April and she's first level. As a fighter, she could become a viable archer (PBS & Precise, Rapid Shot @ 2nd) immediately. As a ranger, it'll take til 3rd level, which may be a long, long way off. Not that she has to be an archer, but for example.[/devil's advocate]
@ Istiel II If Gair is gone, you'll be able to pry his bow making tools from his cold, dead hands. Unless I make them undead.... Ghoul ranger, anyone?
@ Istiel III, and Everyone. I hate to do this, because I like to cultivate an atmosphere of hopeless dread, but if people are going to be choosing class abilities based on it... The hobgoblins don't have access to the PFSRD, so they may not be using the word demon to mean chaotic evil outsiders vulnerable to cold iron, etc. I don't mean you'll never see a demon in this game, you know they're a presence here from Portress, but, well, that.
@ Cueta: craft carpentry should do for a pigeon cage. A cage for a tiny creature costs 2gp, so you can build it for 1gp, so that's easy enough.
@ Istiel, the advantage of a fighter in an e6 campaign is still feats. The difference being that rather than having so many more in the end, it's that you get them sooner. Keep in mind the pace of the game. We've been playing since April and she's first level. As a fighter, she could become a viable archer (PBS & Precise, Rapid Shot @ 2nd) immediately. As a ranger, it'll take til 3rd level, which may be a long, long way off. Not that she has to be an archer, but for example.[/devil's advocate]
This is a very good reason to go fighter as an archery type, I think. You could also become a viable switch hitter much sooner, if you want to go that route. I'd go ranger personally still, but that's just because I loves me the skill points.
@ Cueta: craft carpentry should do for a pigeon cage. A cage for a tiny creature costs 2gp, so you can build it for 1gp, so that's easy enough.
Thank you, DM Nerk!
1: Hmmm you make a convincing argument for the fighter. I'm going to think about it.
2: Sweet mercy if you make Gair an undead he'll kill us all. I really hope he comes back though, I couldn't handle losing Gair!
3:I figured they were using demon loosely, but Vallen heard demon and thought cold iron was the answer. Which is why we wanted to test cold iron against the black bird-manz to see if they were true demons. I'll probably go with my original plan and make Istiel's favored enemy Animals.
Cueta: I also have a really hard time not having skill points. Look at Vallen for goodness sake he would give a min-maxer a heart attack.
Without a doubt, the Ranger's skill points and other class abilities are in this game. I was just trying to play devil's advocate and put another idea out there.
Just to keep things confused, the Lore Warden archetype gives fighters a few more skills and is pretty interesting.
I was dragging my feet in the hopes Zoriya and Gair would suddenly appear, but alas. Istiel is now a Ranger, and ready to kick Favored Enemy: Animal ass. And eat them. And wear their fur.
Also where is our slice of fried gold?!
How about this for a slice of fried gold?
Pick a trait and I'll pick a second trait for the 2PCs.
One that'll annoy you.
I picked Reckless for Istiel.
I was dragging my feet in the hopes Zoriya and Gair would suddenly appear, but alas. Istiel is now a Ranger, and ready to kick Favored Enemy: Animal ass. And eat them. And wear their fur.
I think everyone has. Losing 2 more people would suck.
Also where is our slice of fried gold?!
Probably a Cheese-wizard specialty.
What are the stats on a hide shirt? I can't find them in my files. Septimus will definitely be claiming some kind of armour.
Also Nerk have you heard anything from either of our missing players.
Septimus:
Made from animal hide and giant lizard scales over a shirt of interwoven cords, these chest and shoulder coverings protect without restricting mobility.
The wearer of a hide shirt can make a DC 15 Strength check as a standard action. If he succeeds, the armor gains the broken condition and drops to the ground rather than requiring the usual 1 minute it would take to remove it. The armor must be repaired as though it had taken 8 points of damage before it can be used again; a broken hide shirt grants no bonus to Armor Class.
Cueta would like a hide shirt, but doesn't have to have one, so if someone else wants the other one, feel free.
We had plenty of hide shirts! You didn't want the ones made out of people?
Losing Gair and Zoriya is going to break my heart....
Also Istiel is ready to go if Istiel, Cueta, Kal'tos, and Tomag want to take off for some explorin'. She could use a buckler though.
Nerk- Istiel and Vallen have 5 "gp", could I use that to purchase Istiel a normal wooden buckler?
@ Septimus, I have not heard from them. We'll see what develops.
@ Istiel, I'll see your Reckless and raise you Suspicious.
Lastly, I'm starting a new game if anyone's interested.
Septimus will claim the other hide shirt then.
I bet Cueta could make you one, Vallen.
Never really got into Ravenloft and don't have 5e, so I don't think I will join your other campaign.
Also regardless of the status of the two players I think Hassan should survive, he was an important NPC before Gair took him as a 2PC. Losing him would be really bad.
I don't have 5e either, and I should be focusing on schoolwork more than joining even more games than I'm in now. We'll see how things go, though. ;)
I'll take that suspicious! It's perfect. Istiel has a floating skill point every level that will go into various class skills, I'll probably start with that.
That's a great idea for the buckler! Hey... Cueta... make a buckler for your favorite racist elf that likes to kick you in the gut to wake you up? Yeah..... probably not.
I really like the sound of the new game but I don't have 5e (though I've been meaning to look at it) but more importantly, like Tomag, schoolwork is more important at the moment.
Honestly Nerk, if you were running a game of tic-tac-toe I'd probably play it.
Perhaps we should bring Bern as well, it will help keep his mind off the death of his friend and his father's illness.
Works for me if Nerk is okay with it.
Wait, what? I was going to stick around town and keep using Heal to generate influence (unless there is a Sanctified Slayer sneaking around, and then I'd do a little retraining :3 ).
Unless I agreed to this at some point and am drawing a huge blank, which is entirely possible at the moment.
Wait, what? I was going to stick around town and keep using Heal to generate influence (unless there is a Sanctified Slayer sneaking around, and then I'd do a little retraining :3 ).
Unless I agreed to this at some point and am drawing a huge blank, which is entirely possible at the moment.
I don't think you said one way or the other Tomag. But the standard assumption is that if a party leaves Newspring then one of your characters will go.
Ah I think it was assumed Tomag would be out adventuring and Vada would be staying in Newspring, which is why Nerk sped up Istiel's retraining.
But yes typically there is one character in Newspring and the other is out gallivanting around in unknown territory trying not to get killed.
Fair enough, then! I'm okay with it, I just thought maybe I said I'd do something and then completely forgot about it.
I'm only 28, senility isn't supposed to be a thing for me, yet. >_<
We had plenty of hide shirts! You didn't want the ones made out of people?
Ha! Cueta used one in the assault on Portress, but decided to ditch it after that.
Lastly, I'm starting a new game if anyone's interested.
Oh man, Ravenloft and a crafty, wicked GM? That sounds fantastic. I just got accepted into a CC game and had another game come back from life support, so I'll have to think about whether or not I can stay active in my other games. This is my favorite game and I'd love to apply to another of your games though...
I bet Cueta could make you one, Vallen.
Cueta would make Istiel a buckler, if the elf asked. Even though they don't like each other, Istiel is firmly in the good guy side of the ledger in Cueta's eyes (Cueta doesn't see her as being a threat to Newspring/herself, as she does/did with Ingwe and Edmund), so it benefits Cueta to help protect another mother to their people.
But that would probably have to wait until we're back if we're leaving today...
Tomag, before you came into being, everyone had one PC, and a situation arose where 2 of the players got involved in a mystery situation that took a day of game time but a week or two(?) of real time to resolve, while the other players pretty much made helpful suggestions in the discussion thread.
Thus were created the 2PCs, so that everyone could have a backup and each player could be in every scene. This was done on condition that every player sends a character on whatever expedition leaves Newspring, and leaves a character behind, so that the party doesn't get split any further. It's a bit contrived and meta, but it works.
I'm aware. It just caught me off guard, is all. My memory is a mess recently.
Also, any 2PCs seeking (hide or leather) armor can probably get some from them.
Nerk, I missed you said "2PCs" - I don't want to take a hide shirt from anyone's 2PC or an NPC. Vada, do want the hide shirt? Any NPC that would want it? Melilla? Sandra?
Actually, yeah, Vada would want some hide armor. It's certainly better than getting clawed to death.
Actually, yeah, Vada would want some hide armor. It's certainly better than getting clawed to death.
Great - sorry I tried to gank your hide shirt!
@DM Nerk, Sorala's fasting these next three days.
Since Sorala's been on half-rations, would she have to make Constitution checks on day 2?
Actually, yeah, Vada would want some hide armor. It's certainly better than getting clawed to death.Great - sorry I tried to gank your hide shirt!
I feel that you might actually need it more than me, considering Vada is going to spend more time in town than he will be out scouting and fighting, so I don't particularly mind if you'd rather have it.
It's not like we can't make more. Additionally, since Melilla is going to beat the stuffing out of Vada for at least today (27 Gozran) and tomorrow, he's probably not going to be the first one charging into the fight for awhile. :)
@Vada, I would prefer if you would take the armor. I've already got some, and it is only a +1 bonus over the leather that I've currently got. It is a +3 bonus for you, and may keep my sister from beating you up quite so much these next two days :)
Sold. ;)
Traveling these next few days. Should be able to post but if I'm holding anything up bring out the bots!
Cueta no you'll contract nopostitis! Noooooo
Nope, no nopostitis for me!
Sorala's out of commission for the day, and Cueta's ready to go. I actually planned to just have Sorala meditate, but I enjoyed Vallen's post too much to not run with it.
Tomorrow, I'm going to be surveying a collection for the library, and may not have internet access until I get back to the hotel, so bot away. Saturday I'll be in transit all day, so posting may be spotty.
Vada, I'm glad you took the armor!
It's not normal Hide armor, right? Is it some light armor I seem to have overlooked?